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Video: Testing the New Canyon Gap at Red Bull Hardline Wales 2024

May 26, 2024
by Ed Spratt  

After getting a first glimpse at the canyon gap earlier this week, a select group of riders have been checking out the updated Hardline Wales course.

Bernard Kerr, Matt Jones and Jim Monro were the test pilots for the brand-new 70ft canyon gap ahead of next weekend's racing on the full course. Jim Monro had a big off during his test run coming away with a concussion, we wish him all the best for his recovery.








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461 Comments
  • 479 4
 I'm voting for a safety net
  • 10 53
flag ringle79 FL (May 26, 2024 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 for 29 er wheels?
  • 96 0
 Its insane that there isnt one, things could go horribly wrong on the lip and then its just falling to your death
  • 69 0
 @sarinerar: BK said at the end of the video that they're adding one.
  • 28 2
 @sarinerar: you never know . . . They might not die . . .jyst be horribly maimed
  • 152 28
 There is absolutely no good reason not to add one, the organisers are completely failing in their obligation to provide basic safety for the riders here, it’s a f*cking joke to be honest and makes a mockery of the event.
  • 21 11
 If you want blood, you got it. This is the start of a nwd vid. Turn up the amp. Ride or die.
  • 18 54
flag smith888 FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:40) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: no it doesn’t.
  • 21 5
 @smith888: let me guess, basic safety is silly, says mr smith?
  • 10 10
 RIDE or DIE ! lmI ImI
  • 4 0
 Hard out.
  • 35 4
 @justanotherusername: Its crazy but at Rampage there is also no safety net on the canyon gap
  • 31 6
 @Zany2410: rampage canyon isnt 100ft deep filled with steel poles held together with claps with bolts sticking out, with a relatively hefty steam running through the bottom.
  • 10 53
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:11) (Below Threshold)
 @inked-up-metalhead: Yeah man, that "hefty stream" makes a big difference, hahahaha
  • 30 1
 @scott-townes: knocked out face first in water is a problem
  • 11 0
 @browner: it might be “ride and die” this time.
  • 33 3
 It reassures me that I wasn't the only one thinking this. A cool as this is to watch, 90% pf my time watching this video was me wondering "Is this really what we've come to? Someone is going to die trying this gap....just for what?"
  • 47 5
 @sarinerar: I feel sorry for the kids who see this and think that THIS is mountain biking.
  • 9 12
 Yes, a safety net for the head tube of Bernard Kerr-Knievel’s Pivot is a good idea.
  • 11 3
 @browner: Who wants blood??? Snap out of it. Nobody want to see riders get hurt.
  • 13 3
 Relax. They said at the end of one of the videos they were changing the lip and adding a net. These guys were the lab rats.
  • 3 2
 @headshot Amazing how many people don't seem to be seeing this.
  • 3 1
 crazy there is not ?????? same for rampage canyon gaps....
  • 19 1
 @scott-townes: it certainly makes a difference with regards to medic access.

Yeah, you should probably go ahead and stop commenting now, you're not the edge lord you think you are.
  • 15 0
 @headshot: why wasn't there a safety net for the guys testing it, that's surely the time they would need it the most?
  • 7 0
 If you don't clear the gap, death penalty for you!
  • 3 5
 @rallyimprezive: die to ride; ride to die. There are also those that didn't ride and didn't die, and the 1.35 million traffic fatalities of 2016. Hey, my ride is here
  • 7 10
 @yeah-nah-yeah: literally because they chose to ride it without the safety net in place? They could have waited but they didn't want to for their own personal reasons. Others chose to not ride it, let people have autonomy.
  • 10 40
flag mhoshal (May 27, 2024 at 5:56) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: quick get the bubble wrap!! The "everything needs to be safe 100% of the time" squad is here. Quit complaining and enjoy the fact that people love taking risks like this! Thank god people like you don't run the sport because it would be very boring...
  • 17 3
 @Zany2410: At Rampage, people build their own lines and decide for themselves what to jump. This is an invitational where everyone is being asked to ride the features. It's irresponsible. That compression-zone/lip combo on the takeoff should be rebuilt, and a net added.
  • 14 2
 @L0rdTom: I've got no doubt these guys were frothing to hit it, but in this instance, they should have been told that they couldn't without some safety measures in place. If Jim had been spat off the bike in any other direction, he at best would have had life changing injuries.
  • 22 1
 @mhoshal: I think you're missing the point, no one is saying not to take risk and progress the sport, but this setup is unnecessarily sketchy. You've got multiple pro riders commenting that the jump isn't fit for purpose. Is it going to take someone to die at one of these events before we decide it's gone too far?
  • 9 1
 @yeah-nah-yeah: This is exactly what I've been thinking, with all these "but they are going to install a net" comments. I'm not sure what kind of waivers these guys have signed to be solely responsible in case something would have went more horribly wrong. Since it isn't just about them, but like many have said, it wouldn't be too good for the brand - Hardline or Redbull - if someone actually got killed (or anything even close) on the first test run. Like I totally get the eagerness to give it a go, but do find it weird there was no one from the organisers' (or sponsors') side saying that no you actually can't until we've set up the necessary safety features.
  • 18 0
 @mhoshal: a net over a canyon jump drop ‘ruins the sport’?

Sounds like somebody should have wrapped your brain in bubble wrap.
  • 1 6
flag eae903 FL (May 27, 2024 at 7:52) (Below Threshold)
 @amebuttons: if you watch the videos they talk about it. They are reworking the lip and they are putting in a net. This was just initial testing of a new feature. Not part of the official event.
  • 6 0
 Net for sure. but on the other hand, 66% people landed it.
  • 3 0
 @donimo: I am pretty sure those waivers do not comply with the law. Contrats lawyers should be replaced by AI in order to stop writing abusing contract clauses.
  • 2 0
 @zoobab2: waivers that try to limit liability just say 'we know it's dangerous but don't want the responsibility' which is worse than being ignorant to the danger, and in a court would be damning evidence that it was known to be dangerous and still allowed to happen.
  • 26 0
 I just came here to see everybody nuke Scott-Townes
  • 5 33
flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 9:49) (Below Threshold)
 @nsteele: I'm so proud not to be part of this new crowd of internet nannies and karens.
  • 25 2
 @scott-townes: you are literally the biggest Karen on here, always poking into people’s business and sniding.

Maybe you should be the official PB karen?
  • 10 0
 @scott-townes: think it's time to get out your mum's basement wee man, go get some fresh air
  • 4 20
flag mhoshal (May 27, 2024 at 13:07) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: the net doesn't ruin anything the whiney safety freaks do! These guys are modern day bubble boys and that movie was supposed to be meant as a joke but these clowns take it literally. Stuff being 100% safe take the fun and edge out of the sport. Funny thing is that the same people complaining about no net probably wouldn't hit anything remotely close to that gap anyway. They need to chill on the safety preach and just enjoy what they are seeing from the comfort of their chair.
  • 14 1
 @mhoshal: you seem to be whining more than most here.
  • 1 0
 @donimo: I'm thinking the dude that cancelled it last year from the wind and had an argument with Bernie will probably not let this jump go ahead. It's fine you can still siddle in to the big jumps and still hit all of the new stuff and just miss out the two sketchy creek features.
  • 5 0
 @mhoshal: Bernie who hit it first was complaining about how sketch it was.
  • 2 18
flag mhoshal (May 27, 2024 at 15:35) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: I love gum running internet morons like you!! Keep typen cauee thats all you got vagina!!
  • 4 1
 Yeah, I thought for sure that they were just trying to scare/hook all the viewers with the insane looking teaser, but then would onspool some sort of cable suspended net before anyone actually tried to jump it...you know, basic internet clickbait stuff. Anyway, am blown away to see that they're actually hitting it unprotected. And those crash mats right before the landing are kind of hilarious in how inadequate they are and actually look like they could bounce you back into the chasm. Anyway, I say let consenting adults do what they want to do, but unless riders DON'T want a net it seems foolish not to roll one out.
  • 7 0
 @scott-townes: thank god we have people like Bernard Kerr who just send it instead of people like Bernard Kerr who argue for proper safeguards and rider safety

youtu.be/iXgY_uo6NvI?feature=shared

It’s good to know which side you’re on, more important even than thinking
  • 1 2
 @thekaiser: any time you hit something unprotected be prepared for the consequences
  • 2 7
flag watchtower (May 28, 2024 at 1:36) (Below Threshold)
 @L0rdTom: spot on, there's enough people trying to stop anything remotely dangerous, let these extreme adult athletes take the risks they choose.
  • 7 2
 @watchtower: Yet again, do you see putting a f*cking net under the jump as 'stopping anything remotely dangerous'?

If you do, then you are a f*ckwit.
  • 2 5
 @justanotherusername: No I don't, but neither will I shout from my high horse about safety. Unfortunately this " f*ckwit" is not in a position to rock up there and string a net out.
  • 7 1
 @watchtower: how's this for a solution, stick a net up for the testing of the feature for potential incidents if the jump doesn't work. Once it's been established that jump works, take the net away for the main event. Minimises risk and all the "ride or die" bros can still get hard while watching it
  • 3 5
 @yeah-nah-yeah: I'm not opposed to a net at all, it won't get in the way until it's needed, all good. My issue is the whining safety Nazis, if they really cared I'd suggest bombarding Red bull with complaints instead of calling fellow riders out here. Whinge to the people who can make shit happen.
  • 1 0
 @RedBurn: yes but no chrono , it's really different
  • 1 0
 @RedBurn: they choose the lines
  • 1 6
flag eae903 FL (May 28, 2024 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 @watchtower: I think what's been frustrating for me in this whole discourse is that the "pro safety" side is strawmaning what the other side is saying. None of us are anti safety, none of us are against the net. We don't want the riders to get hurt at all, we just believe that adults have their own accountability and can make their own choices and asses the risks they are willing to take and companies or other organizations should not take their ability to make those choices from them.
  • 4 3
 @eae903: In all honesty, a lot of adults in this world shouldn't be able to make their own choices with a lot of things, on the bike or not. Even more so when it affects other people, directly or indirectly. A lot of us people are just really, really stupid and some "forced" outside guidance is often a pretty good thing in the bigger picture.
  • 3 12
flag scott-townes FL (May 28, 2024 at 10:51) (Below Threshold)
 @donimo: "In all honesty, a lot of adults in this world shouldn't be able to make their own choices with a lot of things..."

Alright little Hitler, calm down now.
  • 3 3
 @donimo: that's some authoritarian nonsense, regardless if a lot of people are stupid. It's not your place to dictate what they can and can't do or how that can do things, let them govern themselves.
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: I don't know what this says about either of us. When you think about people not being able to it allowed to do _everything_ they want, you think of nazis. I think of democratically decided laws and agreed common rules, certain level of societal norms and expectations and looking after and respecting the well-being of others. But yeah, maybe that makes me Hitler.
  • 2 7
flag scott-townes FL (May 28, 2024 at 14:02) (Below Threshold)
 @donimo: "In all honesty, a lot of adults in this world shouldn't be able to make their own choices with a lot of things..."

A response to adult professional MTBers hitting features you find dangerous. Let me ask you, would you still say the same garbage if the people making the decisions didn't believe women have the right to drive, ride bikes, have a job, etc? Its shocking how ignorant you people are, it explains a lot.
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: Wrong, but the fact that you think those things are equivalent does explain a lot about you.
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: you make an absolute tool out of yourself and then try turn around and make an adult argument out of it - you are well past that pinkbike Karen.
  • 4 0
 @justanotherusername: if pinkbikes Facebook post is correct, the gap is being removed, all his rage and bile has been for nothing! Hahahahahahahahahaha
  • 1 3
 @inked-up-metalhead: ‘rage and bile’, where was that then petal?

You mean you were wrong and everyone else was right, you do get just how silly you look now, don’t you?
  • 4 0
 @justanotherusername: what? I'm talking about scott-townes
  • 4 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: you tagged me in that and I thought you meant me and were saying all the talk about the jump was rage and bile sorry man! My bad.
  • 3 3
 @justanotherusername: nice one. Ha ha ha. You do get just how silly you look now don’t you.
  • 2 1
 @smith888: yea nice one smithy, making a mistake and admitting it is a little different to being a consistent tool, don't you think?

oh and ha ha nice one, bab, oh and not to mention you were clearly wrong about the gap as its now been removed, eh?
  • 241 28
 Hardline has just turned into a macho pissing contest. Gee sitting right on the lip, no safety net, yeah boi YouTube footage, life altering(in a bad way if they go wrong)features. Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth tbh. More than likely the British summer weather will mean no one rides it anyway.
  • 10 0
 Agreed
  • 27 0
 I think it's more the ideology of 'progressing the sport'. At some point there's a limit to what's physical possible and what you can put a human body through if you crash.
  • 52 15
 All that risk of a career ending injury for a rider just to sell some fizzy drinks. I hope no one gets hurt
  • 25 173
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:52) (Below Threshold)
 You guys thinking this is just for views or being a "macho pissing contest" shows how out of touch and clueless you guys are. LOL, the marketing sucked you idiots in and now you're freaked out by the realities. I love it.
  • 54 3
 I don’t know about this, it doesn’t seem like that to me, they all seem to be looking out for each other and supportive which is the opposite of a pissing contest to me. For my money the issue is that because of all the work they’ve done to advance the sport and th courses, and because of bikes getting so good, they’ve now got to such an insane level of progression that essentially anything really challenging is potentially fatal. It’s like Formula One before the safety regulations.
  • 13 2
 @Woody25: You have a point! But that kick to bottom could be 2 meters. What is it now, 22? Lets say that kid who crashed would have paniced and pulled his brakes there, hed be dead now.
  • 15 111
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 14:24) (Below Threshold)
 @Jolinwood: Using an imaginary outcome on a hypothetical situation to prove your point is really dumb.
  • 22 0
 @scott-townes: have you seen it? very unfortunate compression on the run in just before the kick, definitely not a safe situation
  • 15 0
 @chrismac70: someone got hurt already
  • 21 105
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 14:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Jolinwood: Yeah man, we should close down every run and event where someone gets hurt. Seriously, what sport do you guys think you're watching or proclaim to be fans of?
  • 33 2
 @scott-townes: Ive broken bones and had concussions, still riding. That construction tho is not cool, its deadly and stupid. Letting people ride that without bothering to build safety nets, not cool.
  • 20 104
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 15:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Jolinwood: They didn't build it for you and that's the problem, isn't it? You dummies think this all revolves around you and what you think is cool. If this is upsetting get involved in a safe sport like golf, it'll spare you the "trauma". Problem solved.
  • 30 2
 @Jolinwood: They already said they're fixing the lip and adding a safety net. That's the whole reason Bernard, Matt, Jim, Gee, etc are all there a couple weeks testing things before the race. And there's a reason why they pick these guys to test, not some kid who panic brakes.
  • 35 0
 @jsnfschr: you would have thought putting the safety net in before someone tried it for the first time might be a good idea?
  • 51 6
 @ChiefSilverback: No one is going to argue against that, but they also don't have safety nets when hitting things for the first time at Rampage. Or set up pads all over when riding new lines/features for Tour de Gnar. Or filming rowdy jumps/lines/things for movies.

At the end of the day, there are only a tiny fraction of people who are willing and able to ride stuff like this and I'll defer to them when it comes to their decision making process. If they're comfortable with it, who are we to say otherwise?

If RedBull is telling them they're not allowed safety nets or saying "you need to jump over this canyon otherwise we're not sponsoring this event", I'd have issues with that, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Think of climbing. No one is telling those guys they need to break speed records of El Cap or free solo anything, but some people are just built differently. The guys riding Rampage or Hardline, etc, are the same, they're just on bikes instead of climbing up cliffs.
  • 10 2
 @ChiefSilverback: seriously wtf would you need to guinea pig that to know it needs a net to be safe? Guinea pig falls in the canyon, yup guess it needs a net. It’s a fuggin canyon, probably needs a net if folks are going to race the feature. Should have been there for the guinea pigs testing the features and not added once the kinks are worked out. They got it backwards. However, not having it did help make the bait more clicky I suppose.
  • 15 4
 @Struggleteam: If Bernard or Matt or Jim weren't confident they'd be able to do it, they wouldn't have done it. Pretty confident no one's forcing anyone to do anything here.
  • 8 0
 @jsnfschr: man I realize nobody is holding a gun to their head but the feature clearly has issues. It seems backwards to add a net after kinks are worked out and the feature is “safe”.
  • 6 74
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:01) (Below Threshold)
 @Struggleteam: These weirdos have no clue what goes into these builds. No need to try to convince the ignorant haters.
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: Touché. Let the dick measuring competition begin forthwith!
  • 13 2
 @jsnfschr: lol dude this is such a terrible take. A 60 foot canyon gap is already inherently dangerous, there is absolutely no need add the level of risk associated with an extremely poorly constructed jump. Just because these guys can convince themselves it’s fine, does not mean it’s fine.
  • 20 3
 I'm sorry to say, but Gee's constant pursuit of putting himself in hospital should have been a warning to others, not a way of egging on his colleagues to join him.
  • 12 0
 @Spark24: Yup. Why weren't Dan and Gee the ones testing it first?
  • 14 1
 @scott-townes: if you're gonna build something that massive, why not do it right? That jump looks and functions like a 5yo drew it on a kitchen table.
  • 16 13
 @scott-townes: pinkbike do your thing and block this twat please!
  • 5 40
flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 5:26) (Below Threshold)
 @Meganstuart1: Yeah! Because Pinkbike is a place for clueless gapers to trash and bitch about the events and riders who make the sport what it is today! LOL
  • 22 3
 @scott-townes: Yes there's progression, but the progression should not come at the potential expense of lives. We have a community here voicing concerns. Right now, you sound like the guy who would push his mate to keep drinking at the bar when everyone else can see when they've clearly had enough. Peer pressure can be both a good and a bad thing, and clearly it's a bad thing at this event, and we as fans are looking from the outside and calling it out before the SHTF.
  • 4 7
 @Meganstuart1: you disagree with him. That’s ok.
  • 5 2
 @Spark24: I'm not sure where progression should stop, but I'm not the one pushing the limit, so I'm not sure I get to have a say. The community might not agree with the risks these guys are taking, but the community aren't the riders pushing the limit.

Riders could die or get seriously hurt on that jump, but they could also die or get seriously hurt on any WC DH track, or any Rampage line, or rock slab in Squamish. Individuals evaluate the risk they're willing to accept every time they get on a bike and have the choice to drop in or not and this isn't any different.

If the riders at Hardline (or Rampage or on the world cup circuit) decide they want to ride it, with or without features like this, I support them. If they decide it's too much and scrap features like this, I support them.
  • 16 0
 So - I've been riding DH since 2002, came from a skate/snowboarding background 10 yrs prior... I've seen everything from Josh Bender hucking his carcass off a random roadside cliff to flat, to some of the gnarliest progressions in WC DH - Champrey 2007.

After Aaron Chase was nearly paralyzed falling off a 3m high suspended ladder bridge at the 2007 Quashqai Challenge in Newcastle-upon-Tyne UK - he said, (to paraphrase):
"Riders should be the ones pushing the limits of what is possible on the features of a course - NOT the other way around..."

I find it deeply concerning that this statement is just as relevant today as it was 15 years ago.
  • 8 0
 @jsnfschr: I've been in races, I've filmed video parts, I've done hard and dangerous things with people around and just for myself. There is a difference in pressure between all of them. The level of pressure changes when cameras get turned on, it changes when you drop into a race run and it changes your decision making. I think that is a simple fact of life, just like everyone knows following peer pressure is stupid, yet pretty much everyone has done things out of peer pressure that they should not have done (I certainly have).

So I don't think deferring responsibility from organizers with a "some people are built differently and do it for fun" argument is valid. The course builders need to be aware of the risk and pressure and manage it, because it's simply not the same when they build a massively dangerous jump into a race course as when a rider digs their own jump, and rides it on their own time in a situation that the rider entirely controls themself.
  • 8 2
 @Meganstuart1: I don't agree with the guy either but why block him?
  • 11 1
 @Meganstuart1: why should they block him? Having differing opinions in the comments section of PB is what makes it great. If people with less popular opinions were to be blocked this would make for a pretty boring website. The below threshold section is great entertainment.
I don't necessarily agree with Scott but I don't want users blocked for engaging in a spirited debate of ideas.
  • 2 2
 @psullivan65: My theory is that Scott's the alter ego of the entire Pinkbike editorial team. They use that account to vent when we've pointed out one too many spelling mistakes or missing axis label, asked where Levy is once too often or told Brian that no matter how much you want to you can't 3D print beer. Just imagine someone calling us all "gapers" in Henry's voice...
  • 3 3
 @borski99: just look at any comments he ever makes and you’ll see why!
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: ah man hate to break it to you but you might just be the clueless weirdo in this situation.
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: one too many spelling mistakes or missing axis labels*
  • 169 5
 One thing we can all take away from this is some guy called Scott Townes has taken one to many hits to the head
  • 26 1
 I heard he lives in a basement and hasn’t seen daylight for the last 7 years.
  • 15 1
 it's like the infamous Waki again......sigh.
  • 23 1
 I’m with Scott on this, we need a huuuuuge sonic the hedgehog style loop into this feature and to fill the canyon with upturned scaffold poles and sharks to ensure it polishes the rider off if they fail, also we neeed to review the prize money and give first place £3, second place £2 and third place £1
  • 7 0
 @lehott: some say he is waki
  • 30 2
 @lehott: that seems a bit harsh on Waki. Waki had some controversial (some might say obnoxious) opinions but he also had great technical knowledge and drew some fun cartoons. And a sense of humour, which lil' Scotty seems to be devoid of.
  • 2 0
 @trellis-opportunity-red: touchè. solid point.
  • 133 10
 Nothing about this feature really highlights mountain biking to me. They have taken a pretty rad hill and turned it into a scaffold nightmare. I am all for progression but, this is stupid. The dirr to dirt gaps, tech features and proper Forrest riding is unreal. I hope no one dies on this because its a legitimate possibility.
  • 50 20
 Did you also stop watching Rampage 12-13 years ago when they were adding scaffolding to the drops and jumps in the Utah desert or when Paul Bas crashed and was paralyzed? Did you stop watching mtb movies when Bender was throwing his body off the Jah drop or other cliffs with flat, unridable landings? Or 20 years ago when Dangerous Dan was building scaffolding in North Van and riding off 4" planks 25ft to flat landings on bikes that broke every other time they sent a new feature? Have you stopped watching ski and snowboard movies even though professional athletes regularly die away in avalanches or in extreme terrain up in AK or wherever?

People that push the envelope of mtb (or other extreme sports) have always ridden things that could end or permanently alter their lives. They've always been part of the sport and always will be.
  • 7 75
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:14) (Below Threshold)
 @jsnfschr: Yeah, he joined PB in 2019 so chances are he knows nothing about this sport other than what he sees on instagrams or tiktoks. Clueless
  • 11 1
 @scott-townes: no one’s saying they can’t hit jumps that big they’re just saying they don’t need to build them over a ravine
  • 14 3
 @jsnfschr: while I agree with you in theory, this particular jump appears significantly more dangerous. There IS a line, and a lot of people feel like this jump crosses it.
  • 9 5
 @rallyimprezive: Maybe, but those people aren't the ones who are going to be riding it. If the men and women racing decide it's not worth the risk, we'll see what happens, but ultimately, theirs is the only opinion that matters when deciding where the line is.

I know it doesn't change the consequences of missing, but hopefully the adjustments they make mellow it out a bit and the compression isn't as wild going into it.
  • 10 0
 @jsnfschr: we already riders pulling out to make sure they can continue with World Cups.
  • 11 1
 @jsnfschr: that's not true, the audience defines the line also. Without the audience this event isn't happening.
Personally I don't want to see BK, Matt or anyone else die. I'm less likely to watch the event live now that I've seen the preview lol
  • 20 1
 @jsnfschr:
it stops beeing mountainbiking (at least for me) when its not riding down a mountain anymore but a 100% artifical ramp built on a large scaffold made by a construction company and not by the riders themselfs. there is not even dirt involved in that feature. Its more like a skijump.
  • 9 0
 @Ar4S: Eddie the Eagle (1988 Calgary Winter Olympics ski jumper who's world famous in all of Britain) would definitely hit this.
  • 4 1
 @mi-bike: on his skis
  • 4 2
 It may not be like traditional mountain biking but after watching the video I have to say the entertainment value of this feature is off the charts. I was terrified watching it but it was also the most exhilarating mountain bike video I've seen in years.
  • 6 0
 @jsnfschr: you're right. But this isn't rampage. Hardline should be/is an extreme dh race. I'm guessing the new canyon gap will be the deciding factor for many riders to say "just not worth it " Rampage is rampage and hardline is hardline.
  • 5 3
 M8 it's not a "highlights of mountain biking for dazza from waga waga" it's hardline, it's big hard jumps. There's always been wooden features at hardline too, idk why people lose their shit because it's made from scaffolding. It's a solid way to build a tall stable structure.
  • 5 3
 @Mtbndcut: there are so many iconic gaps over ravines mtb. Rampage, drop in TV, New World Disorder. Dudes jump moving trains in Whistler ffs.
  • 9 0
 @jsnfscr essence of rampage which is hand-built lines by athletes and their crew. And while those free ride equivalents mind have some similarities, they aren't racing. I don't mind pushing the envelope but, doing it well is a different thing.
  • 8 1
 I've been trying to put this into words clearly and you did that better. Had nightmares about this most of the night - sure these guys are adults, pros & they can decide to ride or not. All big boys & girls here, but this looks like reality TV monster truck alien spacecraft shit - a literal death trap & it takes biking to gladiator levels. Munro already a concussion and that was a massive slam.

Yeah, Brendon & Bierce built that Rampage gap & yeah everyone does sick there but - they pick & chose, and scaffolding & canyon nets are not required.

I ain't even old - this just looks like begging for attention Gladiators Gone Wild vs next level riding. It feels like it's too much -
it implies the already insanely sick track isn't sick enough. But is there any way past the one-up-ification of these tracks every year? Clearly they're not gonna pull it unless someone is maimed or killed & I don't wanna watch that.
  • 10 1
 @scott-townes: Because getting an account on PB = core and you could not have possibly built 100s of miles of trail, ridden decades or even seen a bike without having a PB account. Clearly logic - inductive or deductive - is not your expertise. Bloviating seems to be however and you hold the lock on that in the PB comments - hands down.
  • 7 10
 If the lads want to hit stuff like this, then let them hit it. Bunch of whiney mama's boys in here trying to virtue signal to the other weaklings. I would not be hitting stuff like this and I don't think it should be pushed on riders to hit for views, but it seems to me like these guys want to be riding and testing themselves on shit like this. If y'all feel like this jump "crosses a line", then why don't you make some petition or something that you can all sign to get yourselves some blindfolds so you can avoid watching it.
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flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 7:49) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: "Had nightmares about this most of the night" hahahaha oh my god, you guys are definitely fans of the wrong sport. What a joke.
  • 6 1
 @jsnfschr: good points and I respect the discussion. I will counter that they are doing it for us, the fans, and we gotta speak up and say something every now and then.

And now that we’ve all weighed in as fans (im sure they’ve heard what the fans think) the final say is absolutely up to them, and I support them either way.
  • 5 3
 @rallyimprezive: I respectfully disagree. I think the fans may be part of the motivation, but I'm willing to bet that outside motivation (sponsors, fans, etc) plays a smaller role and the primary driver is personal accomplishment/satisfaction and/or straight up adrenaline rush.

I think of Alex Honnold free-soloing El Cap. He didn't do it because the fans wanted to see it. It was a challenge he wanted to accomplish. These guys are the same, just using a different medium. At some point, the lads were walking around the Hardline course and thought, I wonder if we can jump over that gorge, and here we are.

Heck, all of us who rides bikes have wondered and one point or another, I wonder if I can jump over that thing. This is just that extrapolated to the nth degree.
  • 4 6
 @HughBonero: "Hardline should be/is an extreme dh race". Good to know what you think it should be. Did you tell the Athertons that when they asked you what Hardline "should be"? I'm surprised they went ahead and built that jump after you gave then your take on what Hardline "should be".
  • 4 0
 @on-the-move: I’m not saying they shouldn’t be jumping ravines i’m just saying it’s probably not a good idea jump a ravine during a race
  • 7 2
 Speaking of scaffolding, anyone else concerned by that scaffolding? It's hard to get a great look at it, but I'd be worried about stability, specially if a good wind picks up. I see the stabilizing cables, but what does the whole structure sit on? How stable are the bases and anchors? Did they take into account all the forces that could act on it with a rider hitting it? This isn't a regular construction scaffold (and it doesn't look as good as one of those). Hopefully they have a qualified engineer signing off on this, because it's definitely not run of the mill.
  • 9 2
 @Fill-Freakin: Agreed. That structural engineering looks really sketchy, and "Trust me bruh, we don't need nets". It probably won't collapse, if the winds are high enough to rip it down, no rider would be on it.

It's like a ski jump, with none of the reasoning of a ski jump. It's just shoved into a rowdy downhill track to increase the wow factor, but all of the marketing of this jump is coming to be poxed with ugly cheap contractor scaffolding in view.

I don't see how this progresses anything. If they just towed in riders behind motos to a big flat distance jum,p over rotating knives to ensure death if short, it would "push the sport" further in the same purely artificial means.
  • 2 1
 @Fill-Freakin: that's proper construction scaffolding. Seen enough of it over the last 30 years.... It's put together proper. I even saw concrete footings for the scaffolding. Not much outside of an earthquake or a hurricane is bringing that down. I've been on that stuff hanging off the top of skyscrapers.
  • 1 2
 @OlSkoolJake: if you've got lots of experience with it, glad it looks safe. Still lots of questions on why it's there...

How long could someone like that be left up? Say leaving it up for a year or two, would it just need reinspection before an annual yeeting?
  • 1 0
 @Fill-Freakin: I’d be astonished if they hadn’t tied the footers and ties straight to the exposed bed rock with rock-bolts/hilti bolts.
  • 3 0
 @scott-townes: I don't really want to even comment, but work is slow so I need something to keep me awake. I think the reasons I'm not a huge fan of this is that there is so much amazing terrain on that mountain. The hardline race course is pretty amazing already. It flows well and makes great use of the natural terrain to up the difficulty. There are huge jumps as well, but from my (limited) perspective, the margin for error is a little wider. Mess up one of the other jumps and you'll likely land but your race time will be negatively affected. This feature does not match with any of that description. It doesn't use the natural terrain, doesn't flow well, and it seems to me (again a keyboard warrior) that the margin for error is quite a bit smaller. I don't see how a feature like this adds anything from a race perspective other than risk. What's a rider to do to have a better race time with this feature?
  • 1 0
 @jsnfschr: good points sir.
  • 117 7
 I really don't have a good feeling about this feature. Outsourcing the testing of a possible career ending jump to riders a week before the race starts is insane to me. The weather isn't looking perfect for race day either so it makes me wonder what they're going to do to make it more accessible?
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flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 12:59) (Below Threshold)
 Thank god MTBing has never cared about the dumb opinions of gapers on Pinkbike.
  • 4 10
flag TC17 FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:03) (Below Threshold)
 Back to the studio, Race a week away dont know how your predicting the weather already
  • 106 7
 @scott-townes: I think the one thing that’s obvious is nobody cares about the opinions of the utter tool that is lil scotty townes.
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flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:35) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: The ones pushing the sport aren't paying attention to the opinions of pot bellied fanboys who are pretending to be their mothers with shittier takes.
  • 33 7
 @scott-townes: read that through again and try and make sense of it yourself Scotty. You ok?
  • 13 8
 "Not having a good feeling" is how it should make 99.99 % of MTB riders feel. It's trying to be the hardest race in the world.
  • 26 1
 So Bernard should just start a company for testing jumps? Seems he’s the “outsourced” rider of choice.
BK’s Test flights
BK’s Guinea pigging…

Second option sounds too sexual…
  • 17 0
 @mountainyj: that's Guinea Pegging haha
  • 43 3
 @scott-clowns: For someone who runs his mouth as much as you do about being a self proclaimed mutherf*ckin badass, what the f*ck are you doing here? You should be jumpin' that easy shit with your Red Bull helmet on..... Those that can do, those that can't tell everyone else they can.
  • 6 3
 @mountainyj: he frikin deserves a RB helmet at least more than anyone...
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flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 16:05) (Below Threshold)
 @TStruckMTB:"For someone who runs his mouth as much as you do about being a self proclaimed mutherf*ckin badass, what the f*ck are you doing here?"

If supporting the riders and builders is considered as "running my mouth" then frig yeah, I'll run it all day. Maybe you should ask yourselves why you're fans of a sport you constantly criticize and trash.

Also aren't you the one trying to give career advice to the WC downhillers? What kind of warped, self aggrandizing view do you have of the world? LOL
  • 63 4
 @scott-townes: you are so consistently such an angry little man. Take a breather from the internet dude.
  • 32 1
 @scott-townes: ey man, overcompensating on the internet won't help you feel better. You may think it does, but it only just makes you look foolish. I think you should take a break to reflect!
  • 20 1
 @scott-townes: You might have not noticed, but not one here cares about your opinions either. Why don't you go for a ride instead huh? Cool your head, have some fun.
  • 2 0
 @TC17: Yeah thet region is notorious for great weather. Events never been cancelled due to wind/rain etc.
  • 4 0
 @TC17: it will be wet, it's June in wales...
  • 6 0
 @HPdeskjet3630: Hard and dangerous are not one and the same!

You can make extremely challenging features without having to increase the danger of severe injury or death.

And for all those comparing this to rampage and DH WCs.... Rampage the rider can choose which lines they use based on their risk appetite. In WCs the big jumps always have a chicken line.
  • 6 0
 @scott-townes: another vote from me for YOU to log out, go for a ride and don't come back to the internet for a very long time. If you ever feel like being a prick on the internet again, go for another ride. It will make everyone feel much better, including YOU.
  • 4 18
flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 17:58) (Below Threshold)
 @freeriderayward: Nah I was here first. Funny you write that because it sounds prick-ish.
  • 3 0
 @justanotherusername: he's just 2024 version of DoubleCrownAddict...
  • 56 5
 Few things get the juices flowing like watching a lesser known British rider being shot into low earth orbit like some 1950s experimental chimp for the glory of an energy drink company. What a time to be alive.
  • 1 0
 *non-British energy drink company
  • 51 0
 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?
  • 18 8
 I am worried and won't watch.
  • 4 1
 No. I won’t watch it.
  • 2 0
 MTB evolves to UFC...
  • 50 9
 Imagine if BK's headtube came unglued as soon as he hit the take off ramp. He would flip head over heals to his death. This is not mountain bike racing, this is Evel Knievel "see if he lives" shit. To each their own, but I'm not watching until they line the entire course with razor sharp wire wraps and add fire and explosions under all of the gaps.... Pussies.
  • 5 0
 You don’t have t go that far , just a flat coming on the wooden stuff, if you can’t hear it then you’re done
  • 19 0
 @jpnbrider: one meter more to the left and we'd see this event cancelled
  • 3 1
 I get what you are saying but you can’t really build a course with “ what happens if a riders frame catastrophically fails on this feature” in mind.

Realistically there are more than a few features on this course that would kill someone if their frame brakes in half at the wrong time.
  • 1 5
flag the-smith FL (May 27, 2024 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 @sino428: Any one of us riding a bike could easily be killed if our frame broke at the wrong just cruising around on your local mellow loop.
  • 6 0
 @the-smith: Could be killed, but not easily. Most of the time if a frame breaks, you just fall. Most falls don't kill because they don't risk you falling 80' into a rocky ravine. That said, I'm not a fan of riding trails that are purposefully super exposed to a catastrophic fall.
  • 45 3
 At some stage the fans will be too scared to watch these events.
  • 30 6
 I stopped riding rampage live a few years ago cause I don't want to watch someone die on live tv. I'm not sure what the viewing options are for this but I'm not going to watch it live. If everyone makes it through ok I'll watch the highlights or replay
  • 14 8
 @mattg95: Similarly, I stopped following Vittorio Brumotti when he posted a video of doing trials on the edge of the Grand Canyon. A view is a vote, and I just can't support that kind of extreme risk. Starting to feel the same way about Hardline today.
  • 10 6
 I won't be watching, this is dumb.
  • 12 8
 Isle of Man TT is way more dangerous but in a different way. Lots of people go there to watch it even though you can die just spectating.

Why would you click on the article if you hate watching this stuff?? You knew what was coming.
  • 4 0
 @hohmskullkrishten: no, we didn't.
  • 43 5
 Honestly it feels like a bad move.
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flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:02) (Below Threshold)
 Honestly, you're in the wrong sport. I don't blame you, I blame the marketing which suckered in a bunch of ignorant fanboys who have no clue what this sport is or the history of it.
  • 89 2
 @scott-townes: goddamn you just keep posting like a turd stuck to the rim of the bowl after thr 4th flush
  • 21 1
 @scott-townes: buddy lol. You don’t know me. Get out of the comment section and stop pretending to have everything figured out. People just don’t want to see someone die. We all know it’s a dangerous sport ha.
  • 3 65
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 18:19) (Below Threshold)
 @ridingbiking: "Get out of the comment section"

lol what are you, 12 years old?
  • 19 0
 @scott-townes: that's rich coming from you
  • 8 0
 @scott-townes: Hahaha, how much do you need the image of the "tough Mountainbiker" for your identity? You sound really insecure.
  • 2 16
flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 @fred-frod: I just enjoy the sport, unlike all of you apparently. Or maybe you guys get off on trying to "parent" the athletes. Its friggen weird, man.
  • 8 1
 @scott-townes: what's weird is how many times you've replied to this thread. Just move on
  • 2 18
flag scott-townes FL (May 27, 2024 at 16:39) (Below Threshold)
 @Saucycheese: No need to deflect, buddy. You don't like Hardline so move on.
  • 4 0
 @scott-townes: Sure thing there buddy, I suggest the same for you since every time you type it's a major failure.
  • 38 2
 Some people walk to the graveyard, others jump right into it. This is pure madness.
  • 34 2
 There's no way any of the women will hit that.

What's the point of inviting them and then creating features they can't hit? If the answer is - 'they get the experience' , 'they get to hang with the men', then it's not a race anymore
  • 98 6
 Of course they won’t. Women are smarter than us…
  • 13 2
 And I believe the two that already completed Maydena Hardline aren't racing this weekend either. Lou has said she's focused on World Cups and Gracey isn't listed, I haven't seen her say anything. Bit of a let down, I only started watching Hardline to see the women progress.
  • 8 4
 The point is RB marketing will get the images they want of them riding some features. That’s all they want
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flag tremeer023 FL (May 26, 2024 at 16:04) (Below Threshold)
 So many negative comments in the name of safety on this thread. Are we forgetting that people are free to choose to ride this stuff?
What's the point of designing an intentionally hard course (advertised as the cutting edge - pushing the limits from day one) if it is watered down.
  • 34 0
 @tremeer023: It's not about watering it down, it's about taking a step back and looking at the build logically and realising hey something isn't quite right here we should fix it so it doesn't kill anyone... It's not the size of the jump thats the problem it's the sudden compression at speed in the transition of that roll in, combined with an also tight transition in the takeoff for the jump. If those issues are addressed to reduce the compression then the jump will work no problem as it'll be predictable and easier to gauge speed for. Currently riders have to be absolutely on point dropping into it and one little mistake caused in the compression results in potential death. You can still have big high consequence features, built smart and safely, that still look impressive to the general spectator.
  • 19 0
 @Joyrode: How dare you attempt to define the issue! Mr Scott Townes will be along any moment to inform you of your inadequacy and the hideous gap between your shorts and knee pads.
  • 8 2
 @tremeer023: Are they? As free as you are in choosing if you are going to work tomorrow or for the rest of the year? Hardline might be the most watched event for many riders and if they are to stop attending, they might eventually lose a sponsor here and there.
  • 2 3
 @Joyrode: ah, sorry I didn't know there were design issues with the wooden structure. Maybe some more tweaking is needed, (I don't know as I haven't ridden it - have you?). I would expect a net to be added too. My point is that we should be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by over sanitising.

@kiisseli: that's a good point and one for a whole separate discussion. When relying on income leads you to take risks you wouldn't usually. That's a trickier topic I think. I used to know someone who worked on an off shore oil rig - £10k for 2 months work, but not without risk...
  • 4 0
 @tremeer023: they've already said they're going to re-shape the takeoff.
  • 2 9
flag zeitfuerplanb (May 27, 2024 at 1:56) (Below Threshold)
 The organizer will install a skinny feature for the female competitors...
  • 1 3
 @coyote_time: They should use the old track for the women's.
  • 4 5
 @dingus: And add a net, but still people are losing their shit. Oh well, that's the internet.
  • 7 3
 @tremeer023: In a word: Marketing
Riders are just expendible for RB
I already know I'm not "fun at the party" BTW
  • 2 0
 @Joyrode: Well said. Also, adding a net and beefing up the crash pads doesn't decrease the difficulty or water down anything.
  • 33 1
 So if someone doesn’t make the distance and falls into the river and dies, does that kill the vibe or do they just keep riding ?
  • 28 2
 @scott-clowns would say it's all part of the sport's progression, so just leave the body down there and keep on sending 'em down because he or she knew what they signed up for and if they all die, they all die.
  • 8 3
 Username checks out.
  • 8 57
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:19) (Below Threshold)
 @TStruckMTB: Childish name calling from clueless gaper, I expected as much. I say they're adults and they're doing what they want regardless of what nameless dummies on the PB comments section thinks. The one thing you don't realize, people like you have always been around and the sport keeps moving on regardless of your ignorance.
  • 6 0
 @TStruckMTB: Don't encourage it.
  • 5 0
 Put a few ferns on the body. Better than Mt. Everest where that dead stare at the new arrivals walking up.
  • 2 0
 @TStruckMTB: this is what happens in everest expeditions over and over...
  • 35 2
 Why didn't Gee or Dan hit it first?
  • 58 12
 Because as unlikeable he can be at some points, Kerr is just an absolute animal when it comes to guinea pigging stuff. If he's gonna volunteer every time, then go for it i'd say.
  • 48 13
 @markcorrigan: I don’t consider him to be unlikable. It’s mostly the opposite for me.
  • 6 2
 @markcorrigan: I thought it because he needs the extra practice
  • 25 13
 @markcorrigan: unlikable? Lol, he's he's one of my favourite riders ..
  • 43 8
 @PHX77: he's living every 15 year old boys dream. Paid to ride a bike, Ferrari, 20 year old girlfriend.
  • 28 6
 @PHX77: yeah, I donno. He seems the only rider who seems to do cool shit, talks openly about running a team, about the state of the industry, and absolutely sends it.
  • 4 83
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 @Beeco: 15-year-old boys want to date 20-year-old pedophile women?

You a fan of Freud?
  • 6 3
 @markcorrigan:
Disagree re: unlikable.

But totally agree re: BK guinea pigging. He is the obvious choice, and the least likely to die trying.
  • 16 1
 @scott-townes: You must have had a terrible adolescence as an altar boy.
  • 5 3
 @Beeco: *45 yr olds dream also
  • 2 1
 @t8guy: he’s one of my favorites too but I totally get the unlikeable thing. I’d rather have a beer with a lot of other WC racers tbh, but I do still hope BK gets a win soon.
  • 32 1
 Say what you like about Bernard and Matt but the absolute stones to be the first people off that. Fair f**king play to them.
  • 4 4
 Thank you and signed
  • 4 9
flag hohmskullkrishten (May 27, 2024 at 4:04) (Below Threshold)
 Compare these sporting events to the implications of climate change and they are harmless. The world is a crazy place, just accept it and stop trying to control athletes.
  • 27 0
 What I learned today in the PB comments section: scott-townes sucks and has way too much time on his hands.
  • 10 0
 Im so curious as to where scott gets all this energy from, it must be tiring to be mad at strangers on the internet all day. especially when you're so wrong all the time too.
  • 5 1
 @ JJ: And a tenacity of a russian troll.
  • 6 0
 @Merijn1: This is a guy who specifically has (or had) a podcast called Mom's Basement (no joke). If it wasn't as pathetic as his comments here, he could potentially get a gig with Tucker.

linktr.ee/skierman.

So - yeah, pretty much all he's got are the toys mommy & daddy have given him, and he's gonna yell at you if you disagree. But...he's more more core-er-er than you or anyone else so just lay back & let the Scotty B. Townes knowledge run down your spine. My bad, that was his chocolate milk...
  • 26 0
 Remember, the winner of Hardline receives $15,220 whole-ass American dollars.
  • 27 1
 That is not enough money for that kind of risk...I didn't realize it was that low.
  • 10 33
flag markcorrigan FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:35) (Below Threshold)
 @bronson2point1: another dumbass take. Not one of the riders are here for the money ffs… same with Rampage.
  • 12 0
 a stuntman for a movie would get paid 10x that or more and safety measures would be in place, its just reckless really
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flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Jovian93: This isn't stunt work for a superhero movie and these aren't stunt people. You people are so clueless its hilarious.
  • 9 0
 Which is a lot more than the €3750 you get for a World Cup DH win, but still neither prize pot is enough...
  • 3 0
 The loser gets a lifetime supply of Physio!!
  • 2 1
 the winner gets to put "hardline winning run POV" on youtube, worth a hell of a lot more than the prize purse.
  • 21 0
 If someone wants a better (or should I say worse) view of Jim's go, he posted it on his Instagram. www.instagram.com/reel/C7cOn7gsV4X/?igsh=eXh0M2Y3b21qMXRw
  • 15 0
 Looks like he started to lose balance on the compression into the face of the take off. That was horrible.
  • 20 4
 Do the armchair experts get credit for saying that the compression looks savage for a jump like that?
  • 12 0
 This crash might well be the last warning from desaster.
  • 6 9
 Run flat pedals so you can throw your bike away to bail, but risk blowing your feet off the pedals in tech sections. Run clips in order to stay on the bike in the tech, but remove your ability to throw the bike away while bailing. I don't think the course should require a choice like that.
  • 46 0
 That was a flip of a coin away from death. When he lost control in the compression, he could've easily lost enough speed to send him straight into the canyon or into the scaffolding. I hope the organizers realize how close they just came to disaster with this badly designed jump
  • 3 0
 @karatechris: that inrun is sketchy af.
  • 3 0
 Do we know if he is okay?
  • 6 0
 @Adamrideshisbike: according to Matt and Bernard’s videos he’s ok. Has a concussion but no other injuries.
  • 1 56
flag scott-townes FL (May 26, 2024 at 19:15) (Below Threshold)
 @EwanWhosearmy: LOL you guys don't physics much, clearly.
  • 1 3
 @90sMTBEnjoyer: If you are blowing feet off pedals you have other problems. It isn't the 90's anymore.
  • 5 2
 @zyoungson: I'm not sure I understand. I've seen riders get their feet blown off the pedals in world cups even while they're clipped in. Running flats would make that even more likely on a course like Hardline. If you run clips there's no safe way to bail on that gap, and if you run flats you're at risk in the tech sections, feels like a catch-22 to me?
  • 19 1
 Both sides have valid points but I’m leaning towards riders should have known ahead of time. You’re now pressured to send it and hold your spot for next year. It’s a one off photo opt gap, not something I’d ever throw on a “race course,” hardline or otherwise.
  • 1 1
 The courses aren’t going to get easier. If they aren’t wanting to ride this years course they likely won’t want to come back for future events.
  • 26 4
 Pointless deadly risk.
  • 17 0
 After watching both BK and Matt's YouTube videos. Fairly confident the lip will be changed, just like they both said it would. That is the purpose of these guinea pigging sessions. Anyone who build trails knows that rarely does a feature work the first few hits. They'll tweak it and it will be good as... Matt nailed it perfect and he's the least experienced at this big stuff.
  • 5 0
 A feature of that size, let alone exposure, should be built with actual physics and engineering along with experienced riders/ builders input. I'm extremely surprised that the Athertons or whoever is putting this on nowadays weren't there to monitor the build and stop/correct it before it was finished. It's not like the gap itself is the mind bending thing about this (about 70 feet). There is plenty of data out there to build a "safe" 70-foot gap. I forget what podcast with Sam Reynolds it was, but he mentioned how Clemens Kaudela has a notebook that he writes down all of the distances, speeds, radius etc for all sizeable jumps so that he and other builders of massive jumps have the data to look back on to build massive things as safely as can be.

Any half decent rider could (and did) look at that roll in and notice that the height of the roll in (aka how much speed you will get) looks wrong for the flat bottom and height/ radius of the take off (aka compression) from the first picture that was teased. If we can notice it, surely the pro riders did too. When I saw Jimbos first attempt, it unfortunately went as everyone expected and easily could have had a much worse outcome. Sometimes things don't need to be guinea pigged to know they won't work.
  • 1 3
 @leon-forfar: they did build it like that..., then they tested it and found out it didn't work.... That's literally trail building and guinea pigging 101.... Also Matt nailed it basically perfect.... Weird how the slopestyle/freeride guy with the least amount of exp on Hardline level features...Greased that bizznatty with and overshoot.... While two racers faffed it... Everyone getting hung up on feature that isn't even in its final form and likely has already been changed.... Everyone think Redbull just out here saying eff it and just send it.... They are multi billion dollar company.... They are ruled by liability and they don't just say effit and send it.....
  • 1 0
 @OlSkoolJake: It makes sense that the slopestyle dirt jump guy hit it the "best" out of the 3, but it was pretty damn sketchy, and not what I would call perfect. He did overshoot, and was stiff as a board in the air. That is no doubt partly due to being scared shitless, but also because that G-out makes it exceptionally hard to control trajectory and pop, even for one of the worlds best.

But ultimately, the riders/ builders have spoken and agreed with the masses. That jump was too sketchy (clearly not due to just the size or exposure) to keep on the race track in even its updated form.
  • 20 2
 they went full retard on this one
  • 21 5
 The tech stuff at the beginning is great. The jumps are fairly boring. The canyon gap is just dumb.
  • 15 0
 It could maybe work a bit better with a bit less/slower compression on the kick off
  • 6 0
 I'm pretty sure they've already said they're going to be fixing it to be less kicky. That's why they showed up early to test stuff.
  • 1 0
 @jsnfschr: Good to know, thanks
  • 24 12
 This is a joke. It's not a race. It used to be the the rawest race we had. Now it's turning into a three-ring circus. In my opinion, it's gnbk trying to stay relevant because they're not racing well anymore. They're Legends of the sport for what they've both done in their own separate ways. However, at a time when we're clamoring for Hardline to become the new CI, this is not progressive or sporting good way. And I love free ride and I love racing but combining the two like this is just a joke.
  • 3 1
 BK is not designing these, he's just volunteering to test.
  • 3 9
flag stunnanumma1 FL (May 26, 2024 at 14:41) (Below Threshold)
 @flickr: pretty sure he is into it more than that. Let's just say I know I am.
  • 4 2
 man, voice to text should be way better...
  • 1 1
 This has always been an exhibition event more than a race.
  • 16 0
 I hope Munro’s ok, concussions can be life altering ❤️‍
  • 14 0
 Amazing that Monro is "OK"
  • 8 0
 Appropriate to use the quotes
  • 13 3
 I love to see big plays, but this isn't right. It is not worth the risk-reward. The NFL makes changes to the rule book every year to keep players safe. If you're under 30, this is what football used to look like www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWP2g0sSaFILastly
These features really don't add to the sport. If one rider dies, it will set back the sport.
  • 12 0
 What is this sport anymore? Did anyone learn anything from Nothings for Free, once you're fu*£ed, your sponsorship aint paying you
  • 7 0
 Nothings for free isn't free so no one saw it
  • 16 2
 It was close F-ing call even for Bernard
  • 10 0
 For me the Landing seems to be not wide enough. Bk was close to the edge as well as the guyy who crashed. After such a big compression at the lip this is a receive for Desaster. Also some more pads would hurt nobody. For me the most interesting stuff is the technical natural parts of the course.
  • 11 1
 This jump looks like something a 9 year old kid drew up in MS paint. I’m speaking from a place of knowledge, I worked in terrain parks over the winter for 11 consecutive winters, and holy f*ck is this bad. There’s a bit more wiggle room with bikes due to suspension, but the rule of thumb for building jumps in the winter with equal height takeoff/landing: the length of incline for the takeoff should be roughly equal to the length of gap that has to be cleared. This ain’t it.
  • 3 0
 Yeah, it immediately struck me as off when I first saw it. Matt Jones said as much before he sent it, "it's too lippy." That compression and take of is rough
  • 16 5
 Just dumb evil kanevil circus shit. May as well set your self on fire before dropping. God damn it I will still be watching.
  • 2 0
 I was nervous in not a good way watching BKs video, and yet had to watch
  • 10 1
 They have to alter that before the rest of the riders show right? It just doesn’t work. If a jump makes Bernard look sketchy that’s saying something. Not sure how they fix it in the next couple days. Looks like the flat needs to be about 10 ft longer to give suspension time to settle. That would make the jump way shorter, which could be fixed by a mellower lip, but they’d have to add so much scaffolding in like a day.
  • 2 5
 Please don’t tell me you wanna shorten the lip. The compression at the bottom of this feature ain’t the only poorly designed thing. The lip also is way too little. OTBs are programmed on this thing…
  • 7 0
 @bikesnboardsrfun: no. Never said anything about shortening the lip. Said make it mellower. Aka longer and flatter.
  • 13 4
 I’m fine with crazy big features and pushing boundaries, but at the end of the day this is mountain biking and the features should be made out of the existing terrain. A giant metal ramp is Evel Knievel type stuff that can be performed in a Walmart parking lot. Hardline has jumped the shark and become a traveling circus.
  • 3 2
 They've been using a giant metal ramp for years.
  • 3 0
 Also 90ft doubles are not part of the existing terrain. That took all types of heavy machinery and man hours to move tons of dirt to cut and shape that line. Just because it’s dirt doesn’t mean it’s natural.
  • 12 1
 I think a lot of people wanted Hardline to become a viable option to the WC circuit. Unfortunately it seems to be pitching itself as a daft sideshow.
  • 8 0
 Personally this is not the way I wanted to se hardline go.
It's similar to what happened with Rampage when they went away from natural tech terrain and towards huge wooden features.
I want to see thee dudes riding the gnarliest terrain it's possible to ride, not doing Evel Knievel "jump over a bus" type shit.
  • 10 0
 This is some Evel Knievel circus BS, not mountain biking.
  • 7 1
 It's like Rampage with pretty trees ... Remember, this isn't the longest jump on the course.. 2 back to back 90 footers after this.. And anyone who raced in Tasmania jumped bigger with the finish line jump there.. Hope the weather is good on race day...
  • 8 0
 The finish line jump in Tasmania was completely and utterly different, and had a lot more options for bailing out. It was a long smooth run-in with a gentle transition, no harsh kicker like this one. If you didn't have enough speed 200m out, you could just put the brakes on and stop. If you're going off-line before the jump, you could lay the bike down and slide out into a ditch, not fall into a ravine onto scaffolding. If you cased the landing, you wouldn't fall down a ravine onto scaffolding.
But what would I know, I was at least 50m away from that jump during the finals.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/26279849

Note the windsock, which was visible from high enough up the course to actually do something about it.
  • 7 1
 Some interesting conversations going on!
There’s pushing the limits of a sport and what riders and bikes are capable of. But I hear pinkbikers concerns there is unnecessary risk involved with the consequences of this particular feature (the canyon). And that unlike rampage all competitors will have to ride this feature and risk the consequences it poses.
Are there big consequences elsewhere on the course? Undeniably. Could greater safety measures be taken throughout? Possibly. Is the likelihood of high consequence higher over this canyon? Yes I’d say so.
I do think all riders have autonomy over their choice to ride or not. All professional mountain bikers know the risk involved. And there are many who wouldn’t sign up for this event, it’s not worth it for them. And when the risk is no longer worth the reward, they find other means of income.
Personally I think if precautions to minimize risks can be taken, they should be and they should be funded by the sponsors.
I have seen the sport get pushed and pushed on the natural features in BC and questioned where it will stop. And we have lost lives in the quest. But as far as I know adults making their own choices. When you see 8 year olds hitting crabapple (and making films about it) it throws up a whole other world of ethical questions …
  • 10 1
 When “gnarly” suddenly means “retarded”.

Whats wrong with these guys?!
  • 10 4
 I think it's important to remember the context of this test run, it was 2 select riders who were asked to come out, Jim Monroe, and Bernard Kerr. They picked up Matt Jones who had just gone out to ride Dyfy. They did a track walk and we're going to test part of the track, but the canyon jump did not seem to be part of it at first. Gee said he wasn't going to do it that day, but since Bernard, Jim, and Matt were all up for it, Gee is not the kind of person to stop them from trying. They tested it willingly and definitely fully understood the risks. The net is another thing. That isn't the kind of thing you can source last minute, so since they said there was going to be a net at the actual race, it's likely that that was always the plan. At previous hardlines, some of the features remained untested untill the actual practice sessions and that was likely the plan with this one, where they would have the net in place, but they had riders there ready and willing to try then, so Gee being who he is, let them go for it. Stop trying to blame redbull and the others there for the choices that fully capable, accountable, and responsible adults who are the best in their respective fields make. They have agency, they made the choices, and we should not make moves to take it from them.
  • 15 5
 too slopestyle
  • 11 2
 This feature is going to get a rider killed
  • 12 2
 RedBull HardNo.
  • 17 1
 Red Bull Flatline.
  • 5 0
 Red Bull YeahNah
  • 6 1
 I mean, even at the very first glimpse of the setup in the video my first thought was "that kicker doesn't suit the speed / trajectory of that jump." Weird miss for industry professionals. Hopefully adjusted a bunch before the event.

And.... are there any ladies in hardline this time around?!
  • 4 0
 Tahnee Seagrove, Cami Noguiera, Hannah Bergman, Vaea Verbeek..... Lou has said she's focused on World Cups and haven't heard anything from Gracey (who was Vaea's alternate for Tassie I believe)
  • 9 1
 Huge props to B.K. & Jonesy for sending it! Some rampage type shit there.
  • 8 0
 Gee in his best Lord Farquaad impression- "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make."
  • 9 0
 Will the ramp be set on fire during the competition?
  • 2 0
 Just the edges, to disincline you from riding off them. Plus a big fire hoop in the middle of the canyon you have to fly through.
  • 2 0
 @Fill-Freakin: I hope the fire hoop will have spikes on the inside. Love when they are spiked! What a cool show it wil be
  • 1 0
 :-) haha. yes, they will also add a ring-of-fire in the middle of the jump ;-) LMAO
  • 5 0
 Two jumps in a week
I bet you think that's pretty clever, don't you, boy?
Flying on your motorcycle
Watching all the ground beneath you drop
You'd kill yourself for recognition
Kill yourself to never, ever stop
You broke another mirror
You're turning into something you are not
Don't leave me high
Don't leave me dry...
  • 5 0
 I love the spectacle but I can't help but think what life would be like for a lot of these riders if they are blown off target and lawn dart into the side of that gorge. Throw up a net. It will still be an amazing feature and on camera the viewer won't see it, but it could change a crash into several broken bones rather than a funeral.
  • 6 1
 Sacrificing one's life or health for a medal shouldn't define sports. The risk simply isn't worth it. There's a life beyond a sports career. Sports are about having fun with your mates. If you can make it to the next level, that's awesome. But I don't see fun here. I see fear on people's faces.
  • 4 1
 Yeah, on the Fun/Fear topic: When Jones had to lie down after clearing it because he was weak in the knees, I knew this is not just a "progression" of the sport but something altogether different.
  • 9 0
 They've confused 'Hard' with 'Dangerous'.
  • 5 0
 The main issue I have is that Hardline used to be the Hardest DH Race in the World, which it succeeded at. Now it seems to be merging into a Rampage style event but with crappy Scaffolding features. they should keep Hardline as a true DH Race for the best in the world.

Rampage and Hardline are different types of event (both great) and should stay that way.
  • 14 10
 Add some safety netting, have heli on stand-by in case something goes wrong; and send it.

The jump isn’t any bigger than the other ones like the 90 -100 footers there’s just more risk of injury if there are mistakes.

This is no different to Brendon’s canyon gap a rampage.

These are big girls and boys who can make their own decisions.

Use those 90 footers to get comfortable with speed and dial it in before you go big.
  • 18 0
 'The jump isn’t any bigger than the other ones like the 90 -100 footers there’s just more risk of injury if there are mistakes.'

I think thats why it leaves a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. This feature doesn't showcase any more skill than other features, it just makes the consequences catastrophic. The risk goes up and the reward stays the same.
  • 9 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: it’s also the compression that is sketchy and will buck you off the bike as we’ve already seen
  • 14 0
 @DANV "This is no different to Brendon’s canyon gap a rampage."

Rampage is not a race, which allows them to set up for features more calmly. How is that for a difference?
  • 6 0
 @FredFreeRideGang: Exactly! In Rampage you have all the time to slow down (and even stop) and set up speed and concentration before launch the big features
  • 13 1
 Of course it's different to the Rampage gap. That's was Brendons line, his choice. This feature is being put on a race track, riders have no choice but to hit it if they want to run the course. There is no b line. The only choice the riders have is to not compete. But, with sponsor pressure and the fact that riding is their living, riders may feel they have to go beyond their ability and choose to ride, when in reality, they don't want to. The invitations were put out before the riders knew this stupid feature was conceived. It's not fair to put that on the riders.
  • 5 1
 Say what you like about the new Hardline course, how hazardous it is and whether BK's a knob or not but when are Red Bull going to recognise BK's contributions to and achievements in their events, the world cup series and the sport in general and give the guy a deal? I can think of a few MTB riders that are Red Bull athletes and have done way less to earn their lids than BK.
  • 6 0
 Why does everybody always think that a RB lid is what all the riders want? I think BK is at a great place without RB^^
  • 3 1
 @leolentz: Yeah, maybe. I'm not saying he should want one, just pointing out that from his achievements and the behind the scenes and rider development effort he always seems to put in at Hardline, it's surprising he's not a RB athlete. Not to mention the marketing value he could add to the RB brand.
  • 1 0
 @WillTDzefo: that's of course trueSmile
  • 10 2
 Gee pushing his self destructive mindset onto others
  • 7 0
 Well based on this test we know you have a 66.6% chance of making it… solid odds, put it all on black!
  • 7 0
 This feature reminds me of that Simpsons episode when Homer jumps Springfield Gorge.
  • 4 0
 421 comments are proof that Red Bull got what it wanted: maximum attention. Now you can imagine what they will change in the future (spoiler: make it longer, harder, less safe)… This is the world of 2024+: all about clicks…
  • 24 21
 Love it when people blame Red Bull for this, has nothing to do with them. The Atherton's designed it. Also remember, all of the riders are big boys now, and extremely high level riders. They know the risk and choose to sign up for this.
  • 14 1
 In a way I agree with this being voluntary. However, the riders need to sign up for this way in advance, not knowing what's coming. Revealing and starting to test features like this a week before the event is another thing. Surprise! At this point the pressure is different. Will you keep your "limited availability" riding slot and give it a go even if you maybe don't want to, or do you dare to say no thanks.
  • 9 27
flag markcorrigan FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:12) (Below Threshold)
 @donimo: Sorry but disagree. It's hardline - not a world cup track. They should know full well that the level steps up massively from any double-black you'd find at Morzine or Whistler bike park.
  • 19 6
 You think they signed up to race a track with this kind of glaring safety issue? It’s not the jumps size it’s the 50ft odd drop to flat you suffer if you make a mistake that nobody wants to mitigate.

It would be like removing crash barriers from the streets of Monaco and saying ‘they know the risks’
  • 9 25
flag markcorrigan FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:29) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: should they add crash barriers to rampage then? wrap them all in bubble wrap? Hold it indoors so there’s no wind?! What else?
  • 14 2
 @markcorrigan: is rampage a race on one single line down the hill? Is the course provided in rampage or self built?

Is it inexpensive and relatively easy at this level to add a net to ensure anyone that f*cks this up doesn’t have to deal with a drop to the river bed?

It’s a race isn’t it, not a free ride event?
  • 12 0
 @markcorrigan: Nah... Just apply some common sense when planning such features. Kinda uncool to watch if a minor error, meaning short landing, ends with wheel chair or coffin.
  • 9 2
 @markcorrigan: No one is forcing people - even the ones signed up for the event - to jump over canyons in Rampage. Those that wish to do so, can build their own lines. I'm not sure it would go well with the riders if indeed all of them were made to jump the gaps some choose to do, to be eventually able to take part in the competition.
  • 11 17
flag smith888 FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 @donimo: no one is forcing anyone to do it. The end.
  • 7 18
flag markcorrigan FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:46) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: I don’t get your point, I can’t see why hardline races should require additional safety over rampage? If the riders don’t like it, they can’t leave it. They did it a few years ago when it rained badly.. they know how to mitigate risk. Simple as that.

It’s mountain biking ffs…
  • 16 4
 @smith888: stupidest f*cking viewpoint ever - nobody forced F1 drivers to race in the past when things we’re dangerous and lots of drivers died, the cars are faster than ever before yet when was the last death or even serious injury?

Properly basic thinker.
  • 13 2
 @markcorrigan: because at rampage you can pick your line, you aren’t against the clock either and rampage is known to be the craziest free ride event, not a race.

The jumps size is irrelevant, 90ft jumps are further down the track, what they don’t have are 50ft drops to f*ck all between the take off and landing.
  • 2 12
flag markcorrigan FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:50) (Below Threshold)
 Edit. The riders can** leave it if they don’t like it.
  • 6 1
 Nonesense. RB commission and pay for it all as the riders risking their careers or worst take an the risk for little in return
  • 11 2
 @markcorrigan: you think there is no pressure to participate? It’s literally their job.
  • 2 7
flag chrismac70 FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: it’s neither. It’s a marketing event where riders take huge risks dm so the sponsor sells more fizzy drinks
  • 8 0
 @justanotherusername:Ecclestone realized that it was bad for business if drivers died live on tv. So the courses were made more secure (dumbed down) and the cars became carbon fibre bunkers.

This feature could become the Imola'94-moment of mountainbiking.
  • 5 0
 @chrismac70: probably right, but usually it’s a pretty cool spectacle, this thing though, not so much.
  • 7 17
flag smith888 FL (May 26, 2024 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: briefly - my grandfather was quite close to the man who invented the motor car. My auntie was a VIP at the very first Silverstone F1 race and I was an also-ran in the 1988 Formula 3000 championship. So I know a thing about motor racing. I can tell you for a fact that the racing has got a lot safer in the past 30 years. It’s also got a lot more boring. Danger of death is not a prerequisite for excitement but it’s possible to make things dull by going overboard on safety. Glad they haven’t done that at Hardline.
  • 2 16
flag smith888 FL (May 26, 2024 at 14:00) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: if someone at work tells me to do something I’m not comfortable with I can get another job.
  • 11 2
 @smith888: Last years hardline not cool enough for you, you need some danger of death added into the mix?

Oh, and your grandfather was friends with a man who died in 1929… in Germany? You ok?
  • 8 2
 @smith888: doubtful you would find employment easily, get real.
  • 8 1
 @smith888: Are you seriously putting an auntie being VIP at a F1 race and gramps knowing Henry Ford in your motor racing credentials? And because of *that* you know that racing has gotten safer (and a lot more boring) over the past 30 years?
  • 6 1
 @mi-bike: I presume he’s trying to take the piss, but then not a lot of his argument makes sense
  • 3 0
 @donimo: Bryceland walked away last year I believe.
  • 8 0
 @justanotherusername: agreed. You make a dumb feature at rampage and break your self off trying to ride it, it’s on you 100%. You really can’t compare this event to rampage.
  • 3 0
 Yesterday I went for a ride in the rain. In the forest is a big wooden obstacle with black diamonds on it. It was slippery and wet and I should have ridden the by-pass. Instead I looked at it and decided, if I keep my wits and get it just right I should be able to ride it when slippery just as if it were dry. There's just more need to be precise. That was nothing at all like the Snake River Gap but I imagine if you are one of he world's best mountain bikers and enjoy riding challenges, the thought process might be similar.
  • 6 3
 I have to agree with the 99 percent of people commenting on Pinkbike and other social media sources….. this is a stupid and unsafe feature. Promoters and track builders have gone too extreme, trying to hype the “holy shit that’s crazy” factor to get views. Hardline was originally the ultimate downhill course, where racers could really test themselves. Now it’s turning into a Rampage event where you risk your life and career
  • 2 5
 It's almost as if the line is really hard to ride.........
  • 4 0
 The course enough is RAF - one fall abd you'll get ripped to shreds, make it to the Evil Knievil jump and you could die. I nsane.
  • 9 2
 I think it is wrong
  • 4 0
 Is there a B line in the event of wind...looks very exposed...even a slight gust could have serious consequences...but then again other features are also exposed
  • 7 1
 Natural Selection for our species is now corporate.....
  • 6 0
 Watch the Darwin awards, now presented live by Red Bull.
  • 8 6
 I think these riders know what they signed up for. Gee and Dan built it so you know it’s extreme. Make it as safe as possible just incase but don’t hate because riders choose to take the risk for whatever reason drives them to do so.

Everything in life has inherent risks, some greater than others. It is what it is.
  • 5 0
 Please don't wait for someone to die before setting up proper safety measures!
  • 2 0
 Personally I would rather see a technically difficult small jump in the midst of a race track with a high degree of difficulty than watch a high speed straight run-in to a manicured humongous jump. BUT, in interviews we hear people like Bernard, and Ronan, and Jackson state they would like the World Cup courses to be more challenging and less bike parky. Think of this not as a ridiculously risky for TV's sake race course but instead as an obstacle course with a stopwatch. Rampage has a time limit also.
  • 1 0
 The whole track is very techy m8
  • 4 2
 As far as the safety of the jump, I feel we are to blame for our own anger and anxiety. We hurry to watch as much media as we can and then we pass judgement before the finished product opens to the public.
In the old days (yes, I'm an old guy) test pilots (airplanes, race cars, circus tricks...) did their work in privacy. Now BK makes money from releasing footage of what goes on behind the scenes. The track was built, a rider was asked to test it to see if it is feasible to compete on. His first feedback is the jump needs tweaking. Same as when he guinea pigged the 90fts and broke his wrist. They made adjustments and the jumps were deemed safe for all. He obviously has the skill and confidence to try this out first and I think the Atherton's respect that 'cuz they don't seem to offer the job around.
  • 41 38
 Can we have less armchair whining about the dangers this time? Maybe they enjoy the adrenaline, and no-one is forcing them ride it.
  • 16 21
flag dirtylaps (May 26, 2024 at 12:37) (Below Threshold)
 this
  • 6 7
 This times all the people who watch the practice send video:

No one, not me, not them, not anyone, gives a flip if you don’t like the jump.

Hey Pinkbike, what are you complaining about today?

Oh yeah, everything Wink
  • 5 10
flag niccolope (May 26, 2024 at 19:52) (Below Threshold)
 Believe it or not extreme sport athletes have to keep pace with the progression of the sport whether they like it or not.

The freestyle moto guys were NOT stoked when flips and spins started but if they didn’t learn and do them their careers were done. If the rampage riders don’t send 80 ft cliffs and canyons they don’t get invited, sponsorships fall away, etc..

So yeah type no one is forcing them to do it all you want but you’re wrong.
  • 3 0
 @niccolope: when you look at whats happening in modern free ride, this jump aint even 'That' big. Just in a horrible setting
  • 5 0
 Fewer armchairs, more wheelchairs
  • 2 3
 @niccolope: Do you think Gracey and Louise-Anna's careers are done because they aren't attending?
  • 2 1
 @naptime: totally agree it’s the sketch factor of the build and location.

@commental: if some men refuse to ride they very likely won’t get the invite next year.
  • 1 0
 @niccolope: Ratboy turned up, but didn't race because he didn't want to a few years ago. He was there last year (obviously no race) and he's invited again this year.
  • 1 2
 when it's your job don't you think that you'r undiretcly forced ?
or you say "by by , not for me i'm afraid"
  • 4 1
 They need to get the RAF to do their low level manoeuvres around the Mach loop on the day. Hitting a low flying jet or ending up in a ravine. What a time to be a spectator.
  • 5 1
 If the jet hits Gee then my money's on the mountain biker...
  • 3 2
 i can't understand they have tested it without net , as negatives comments was said by idiot people.
guys you'r totaly crasy , i thought you were pros but i'm not so sure now .
do people stop watching F1 because pilots are wearing more and more evolved safety belt ?
  • 2 2
 Well someone did in fact write here that F1 has gotten way safer in the past decades, but also a lot more boring, so it's a bad thing. It seems there are people out there who really feel like the proper amount of excitement and risk in sports like this is when it's quite likely someone will get badly hurt (or worse) while doing it.
  • 4 0
 Word is that the canyon gap is out. Wise decision. But now needs a whole new route sorted pretty quick.
  • 1 0
 Where did you hear that?
  • 2 0
 @barp: On the OTB podcast, but there doesn't seem to be anything else confirming it.
  • 1 0
 @commental: Thanks.
  • 4 0
 While it is madness, I am in weird awe of their desire to do this.
  • 1 0
 Gut says the B line for this kind of feature would be just as death defying. "The same only different."
Hopefully they'll mellow out the radius and reduce the compression a bit before going off that lip.
  • 2 1
 Yeah they die from climbing up the other side
  • 6 3
 That canyon gap is so damn cool, what a beast Gee and the senders testing it.
  • 3 0
 I don't see the point in the biggest, longest, highest. It's not the Evel Knievel show.
  • 1 0
 Its the Evil G show!!
  • 4 0
 Gee should know: Pushing limits - ok
...but not at any price.
  • 2 0
 Reminds me of the bad idea evil kinevel jumps of the past wich never ended well.and its an eye saw on the beauty of the Welsh backdrop the race is held in..
  • 2 0
 WTF! I think most of us would even ride it if there was a (unfenced) bridge instead of this jump....
  • 5 2
 this is wrong dismantle it!!!!
  • 3 0
 The Fonz would put sharks down below and launch that on his Triumph.
  • 2 1
 Crash test dummies.. I Hope AT least they have the rights of image when their crash goes viral..
  • 3 1
 Hitting this in a RACE?? Dawg that’s insane
  • 3 0
 I'am not sure!
  • 2 0
 1st time I saw Dan smile.
  • 7 6
 Hopefully its a publicity stunt to get it viral for RB and wont be included in the race
  • 5 6
 The whole event is just a publicity stunt with those taking the risks getting the sticky end of the stick
  • 5 0
 Hopefully Jimbo Monroe will have some revenues from his viral crash to concussion stunt..
  • 2 0
 Love Gee, think he's a mad lad but mate... that g-out is wayyyy too much
  • 2 0
 Bro I got goosebumps watching this
  • 3 0
 Event name checks out.
  • 2 1
 It will be fun to see how many riders bow out “due to illness or injury” before arriving to race this one . Nutters!
  • 2 0
 well... at least there's crash pads......
:'D :'D :'D
  • 2 0
 For anyone wondering the Gopro Pov of the jump is at 50:45 in the YT vid.
  • 2 0
 Jim Monro (@jimbomonro) almost came well undone on this. Yikes
  • 2 0
 Who’s talking about B zone on World Cup…
  • 2 0
 I blame Warner Bros/Discovery!

  • 2 0
 I'm not going to do it!
  • 1 0
 The g out on that radius is going to be wild. I hope everyone makes it
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 we need a aero package!!
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 why not simply make the 10 setting louder, "These go to eleven."
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 faustian!
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 Is there a spectators area at the canyon gap?
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 Yeah, but they'll be required to wear pads and help hold up the net.
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 And drive the ambulance :-0
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 I am Speechless
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 All the whining betches on here: you are the reason blue flow trails have become the go to builds these days...its a gnarly sport and the most gnarly race ever. Take your $12000 bike and go cry beside a gap jump.
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 Ultra elite lunatics doing ultra elite stuff, are we not entertained ?
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 Send it. Best bit I watched in a long time. Tense. Those guys know what’s up.
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 For me this is a terrible example to set for kids getting into biking
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 Didn't we have the same conversation I mean warnings about the battleship at rampage last year? Danger deja vu.
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 Seems more similar to the drop that Gee built (and crashed on), which no one ended up using in the actual competition, I believe.
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 ….
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 Hell yea brother!
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 pretty shocked at the level of negativity here. shame.
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flag threesixtykickflip FL (May 26, 2024 at 20:19) (Below Threshold)
 ...ikr - I say embrace the Send \m/
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 What's the minute/second mark for the Bernard video. I'm American and my attention span is only 46 seconds.
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 50:45
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 @niccolope they could choose to move on to other careers though. Mountain bikers and moto riders aren’t poverty stricken with no other choice of income.
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 Amazing !
⚡️⚡️
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 I'm still deciding between love it or hate it, but I came here to say a thing. Everyone here's complaining about the gap, but all they will watch the race because of it Wink
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 I'll probably watch in spite of it Razz
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 That'll sort out the men from the boys! Where's the chicken line?
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 .. but we'll all be watching it !
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 I cannot wait for this years event. Mad send! Ha ha ha!
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 Choices.
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