Video: The New Orbea Wild eMTB Can Use 2 Batteries

Sep 16, 2019
by Orbea  


Orbea's latest eMTB is positioned to wow trail riding enthusiasts, but it you read behind the lines, they've latched onto the emerging popularity of e-racing with a lightweight chassis and component specs, backed up by a quick change battery system and and fittings to carry a second battery on board,.The Wild's frame features Orbea's top-level OMR carbon, but a full range of price points, made possible by swapping aluminum frame components for carbon, also give rank and file riders a chance to experience Orbea's newest 160mm travel 29er eMTB. Here's the official PR.





PRESS RELEASE: Orbea Bikes


It’s time to get moving. Load up your pack for an afternoon ride and start pedaling. Whatever obstacles exist between you and the trails and your Special Places, it’s time to run over them. Reclaim access and discover new adventures the way you like – aboard a fun and capable machine that enhances your skills while it extends your range. Conquer steep climbs and push the limits of traction and good judgment on the way back down. Enjoy clever design and sophisticated suspension kinematics, or simply focus on the trail. Wild FS revitalizes your riding and helps you chart new destinations.



Wild Key Features:
Usage: eBike Universal
Wheel Size: 29”
Travel: 160/160mm
Material: Monocoque OMR Carbon, Monocoque/Hydorformed Alloy Blend
Sizes: S/M - L - XL
Price:€5999 to €8999 ($6299 to $9499 USD)
Personalization: Two stock colors with full personalization options through MyO
Info: orbea.com

No matter how steep or technical the climb, regardless of the obstacles on the descent, the new Wild FS is ready with a single goal in mind: to take back your wild. Our Wild FS is now more capable than ever. The power and efficiency of the new Bosch CX engine and internal 625Wh battery mean more uphill pedal assist, with a forward and aggressive riding position that complements the climbs. Wild FS has also been redesigned with a new, progressive kinematic, and ultra-confident geometry so no descent will stop this e-bike.

The frame has been completely reworked, built entirely with OMR carbon. Its weight, tipping in at just 3.5kg, feels even lighter on the trail thanks to the balanced weight distribution and lively suspension feel. And with 160mm of travel front and rear, it smooths out any bumps along the way. Wild FS rolls confidently on 29” x 2.6” tires with reinforced casing and an aggressive tread to guarantee grip on the most remote trails.

Our development and design team spent the most time reconfiguring Wild FS’s kinematics, increasing progressivity and support of its 160mm suspension (with a recommended SAG between 25–30%) from the previous generation, giving more support and control on technical terrain. Even more progressive are the multiple shock options available to riders through MyO.

The frame is available in two options: a full OMR carbon design, complete with a carbon linkage, rear triangle and battery cover; or an hybrid with OMR carbon front triangle, hydroformed aluminum linkage and rear triangle, and a polymer battery cover. The new Wild FS is available in three sizes: S/M, L and XL.


You’ll find plenty of space to mount a bottle cage and tool kit, with the option to swap the bottle cage for a second battery. Thus, depending on the model, the battery capacity can reach 1125Wh.

Our exclusive computer mount allows riders to choose a convenient mounting location for the Bosch display: over the stem, in front of the stem or on the side. And tucked inside the stem cap is a unique storage space for a critical item: a battery key.

The battery cover, made from extremely durable but featherlight materials, protects the battery from impact and opens and closes with a simple and reliable locking mechanism. No tools required. Frame reinforcements also protect other critical areas of the bike in case of a crash. And a custom Acros Block Lock headset, designed exclusively for Wild FS, ensures that handlebar rotation doesn’t interfere with the integrity of the frame.

Even the Wild FS charging port has been redesigned for easy access, yet remains protected from the elements. Paired with internal cable routing, durable Enduro-brand bearings and our signature lifetime frame warranty, low maintenance fun and lifetime longevity are key factors in this bike.

The frame is available in two options: a full OMR carbon design, complete with a carbon connecting rod, rear triangle and battery cover; or a hybrid with OMR carbon front triangle, hydorformed aluminum linkage and rear triangle, and a polymer battery cover. The new Wild FS is available in three sizes: S, L and XL.


You’ll find plenty of space to mount a bottle cage and tool kit, with the option to swap the bottle cage for a second battery. Thus, depending on the model, the battery capacity can reach 1125Wh.


Our exclusive design allows riders to choose a convenient mounting location for the Bosch display: over the stem, in front of the stem or on the side. And tucked inside the stem cap is a secret chamber for a critical item: a battery key holder.

The battery cover, made from an extremely durable but featherlight polymer, protects the engine battery from impact and opens and closes with a simple and reliable locking mechanism. No tools required. Frame reinforcements also protect other critical areas of the bike in case of a crash. And a custom Acros Block Lock headset, designed exclusively for Wild FS, ensures that handlebar rotation doesn’t interfere with the integrity of the frame.



A redesigned derailleur hanger can be disassembled by hand for a simple and effective solution that lets riders keep rolling, even if it’s damaged.

Even the Wild FS charging port has been redesigned for easy access, yet remains protected from the elements. Paired with internal wiring along the frame, strong enduro bearings and our lifetime frame warranty, durability and longevity are key factors in this bike.


Recently, we’ve launched new custom options across the MyO platform for mechanical bikes, and now it’s time to celebrate the start of MTB ebike customization with Wild FS.

With no additional cost, riders can fully customize the new Wild FS on MyO and unleash their personal style. Start with the paint finish (matte or gloss), pick an infinite combination of color options, and dial it in with components of your choice. Forks, shocks, seat posts, saddles and even custom text are just a few of the ways to build the perfect bike.

With more than 1 million possible combinations on MyO, Wild FS can adapt to many styles, tastes and preferences. Taking back your wild has never been more personal.




https://www.orbea.com/int-en/myo/step-customization/




123 Comments

  • 229 17
 I think this article by Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship about a long term study of E-Bike impact should be a mandatory sticky for the comments of any E-Bike related Pinkbike piece: sierratrails.org/understanding-e-bikes-and-what-they-mean-to-lost-sierra-trails

The money bit is:

"In more than 300 miles of riding a wide range of trails on Class 1 e-bikes in different conditions, we discovered that although an e-bike has a motor attached, it is still human-powered and requires physical effort, as it will not move without pedaling input. But more importantly, we discovered this new form of recreation is just as low impact as a traditional mountain bike, and has the ability to create many more advocates for trails and the protection of public lands."
  • 18 5
 I wish I could give you more than one up vote!
  • 35 5
 Seems like what you've just done is give a reasonable explanation to a popular misconception.......................the e-bike haters are not going to stand for this.
  • 11 1
 @fatduke: Yea, I know how the tribalistic mind tends to work. But hopefully this can help a few people see reason. Or at least consider all aspects of the topic.
  • 7 28
flag hamncheez (Sep 16, 2019 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 With that being said, its super easy to mod an ebike to have a throttle....
  • 8 1
 @hamncheez: Someone else said this, and I asked for some models for which this is true. I'm pretty sure the offerings by the big brands are not easy at all.
  • 23 39
flag milkdrop (Sep 16, 2019 at 11:30) (Below Threshold)
 I have to move my foot when I'm driving a car too. Back in Europe on a manual gearbox I had even have to use both feet! Does it count as a "physical effort"?
  • 21 13
 Can you really call it human powered if modern ebike motors can put out 4-500% of rider rider input? If people are ok with motors doing 80% of the work, I don’t understand why so many are against throttles, does that last 20% really matter?
  • 3 3
 Amen.
  • 24 8
 The biggest issue with e-bikes isn't concerning the environmental or trail erosion impact, it has to do with trail user conflict. And if you think that's not an issue, then you've never been involved in trying to build new trails or get them approved.
  • 12 1
 @fuzzhead45: The Class 1 regulations address that. And most bikes can only offer that kind of boost for a very short range. The time I demo'd a Kenevo I kept it at minimal boost for the vast majority of the time, only stepping it up for some rock wall and super steep features. Seemed to be what other riders were doing too, since they didn't want to reduce their range to 10 miles.
  • 5 0
 @milkdrop: Here's a good way to calculate your answer. What's the wattage return for wattage invested when using the gas pedal? And you can add in repeated bursts of clutch wattage too.
  • 33 3
 @stevemokan: Been building, advocating, and even paying for trails since '89. I was part of the original wars with the various hiker and horse groups. So far I have yet to see any real evidence of conflict any greater than what already accompanies modern MTB. I cannot discount the argument that modern FS bikes go way too fast on the downs to be safe around any other users. And since Class 1 does not add to your DH speed, not sure there's much opportunity for conflict on the ups. I get passed by super fit riders all the time, and pass my share as well. Why would it be any different? Minus the odd jerk, here and there, as comes with life.
  • 6 3
 @Chuckolicious: We were all united once, but there's a MTB civil war looming... and it involves trail conflicts not between MTBers and hikers/equestrians, but between those with motor-assisted pedal strokes and those without.
  • 13 0
 @MTBrent: Ha! If that's not the definition of First World Problems, dunno what is. ;-)
  • 6 0
 @Chuckolicious: seems like bike companies are already working on ways to have the motor do more of the work more of the time, hence the dual batteries on the bike in this article. If it’s ok to have the bike do 500% of the work some of the time, why not all the time? And why make rider put in their 40-50 watts to get full power, does that little amount of power really make/break whether or not it’s “human powered”
  • 19 11
 Can we stop with this bullshit fairytale that this is going to bring in more users and increase trail advocacy? The vast majority of people who buy or will buy eMTB’s will be people who already ride. Even on this site, its people who don’t feel like paying for shuttles, or pedaling up their 4000ft descents in the mountains. I love the industry and these “trail groups” trying to position like theres some dude sitting on his couch, and the eMTB is what finally gets his ass off of the couch and into the woods. You want to get more people on the trails? Start taking kids for rides and support NICA.
  • 4 6
 @fuzzhead45: The difference is roost. If you put traction control on a regular moto, it would do significantly less damage to trails. Insanely less. But all that braaapp is what chews up trails.

@Chuckolicious I was refering to ebike kits. You can also find firmware hacks that lie to the motor controller about what your wheel diameter is, allowing for higher top speeds, but it isn't top speed that causes erosion, it causes multi-use "incidents".
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: I thought we all agreed these motors didn’t put out enough power to cause additional damage compared to traditional riders? How are you going to brap if all a throttle is going to do is REDUCE the overall power coming out of the rear wheel?
  • 2 6
flag hamncheez (Sep 16, 2019 at 12:37) (Below Threshold)
 @fuzzhead45: 400-600 watts is PLENTY enough to braaap. Human legs can put out enough watts to brap, but not sustained nor in the correct fashion since legs do high torque, low RPM power delivery. Ride an ebike kit with a throttle, then report back.
  • 6 0
 @hamncheez: Thing is, uncountable items can be modified to do things they shouldn't, or do things they shouldn't in places they shouldn't. Heck, I come across ATVs and small moto's on dedicated MTB trails several times a season. So the claim that since something can be modified and/or used irresponsibly therefore that thing should be done way with entirely is a bit of a logical fallacy. That Sur Ron I told you about, I'm certain I'll come across one of those on the trails anytime now.
  • 6 1
 @SlodownU: So you are accusing the Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship of BS? What would be their motivation for that? Traditionally it is groups like that which presented the biggest obstacles to MTB in any form. Did you read their article?
  • 3 4
 @Chuckolicious: I think Sierra Buttes is trying to protect their trails from the negative image that eBikes have with the other trail users (e.g. hikers, equestrians, etc.) and the general public. Declaring that eBikes don't harm trails is a way to mitigate the negativity from other users. Claiming that e-Bikes will bring an entire slew of new users in is the BS part of the story. Those "new" advocates will actually be existing users, on different bikes, so they're "new".
  • 6 1
 @hamncheez: every self righteous authoritarian makes the same argument - "but someone could abuse it, if they wanted to break the rules/laws/violate human rights and decency, so we should prevent everyone from owning it/be against its use everywhere." Who freakin cares? If you ride an ebike on non-motorized trails, you're breaking the rules. If you ride a throttle-modded ebike on trails that only allow pedal assist, you're breaking the rules. If you want to mod an ebike to have a throttle, go for it. Go ride it on moto trails, I bet that would be fun. Idk about you, but I like the "land of the free" much better than A Brave New World. I guess growing population will continue to breed individuals who want to lock down their neighbors because they're afraid of what they "might" do.

but no, most ebikes can't be modded to have a throttle. Check out how power assist works.
  • 1 3
 @trialsracer @Chuckolicious : Hey, I never said "ebikes should be banned", I'm just saying its a hard thing to enforce. Look at my past comments, I'm as far from authoritarian as possible. I think all government land should be privatized and then we shut down government completely at every single level.

My point is that regulation of any kind is going to fail at some level.

Finally, the issues with ebikes isn't just erosion. At the end of the day erosion can be at least partially addressed with trail work and shovels. Another big perceived problem are multiuse interactions. Ebikes allow for most people to go faster, and increases overall trail use. If you mod the firmware to increase the top speed (you can do that on 95% of ebikes) then these "interactions" can potentially increase, and can potentially increase injuries with horseback riders, hikers, and other cyclists. I'm not saying that 100% going to happen, but its what land use managers FEAR might happen.
  • 4 2
 @SlodownU: So you're accusing them of outright lies. Pretty low, man. Pretty low. But let's say, for a moment, that what you claim comes to pass. So now, rather than the common complaint that Ebikes will bring hoards of yobs to the trail that otherwise would have stayed home or gone Moto, is without merit. Instead, what you are claiming is that seasoned mountain bikers, with their experience at handling bikes on trails and interacting with other users, will be the only ones using them. So this is a bad thing?
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: "but its what land use managers FEAR might happen" But the very group that posted this is an exact example of the opposite. Not saying there won't be short sighted fear hobbled groups that go the other way, but then, there are still ski mountains that don't allow snowboards.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: There are two ski resorts near me that don't allow snowboarders, and for them its about catering to their audience. Deer Valley brings in more money than drug cartels because their rich clientele don't want to ski next to snowboarders.

In many places, land use managers primary "clientele" are rich horseback riders that are retired and have the time to bug the crap out of them and make local political donations. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with their choices, but thats the reality they face.
  • 1 0
 @formula411: I’m asking why I can’t buy one with a throttle?
  • 6 0
 @hamncheez: Yea, but I was around for that fight in the 80's too, and their reasoning was not at all that they could make a go with a particular clientele. They simply held on long enough to now be that niche. Hey, good for them, Deer Valley still home to the one-piece day glow ski suit, where's my TWO DOLLARS!? But you are likely not old enough to remember these days: youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY Yea, I'm old. Now the same hysterical fear mongering is permeating this sport. Here's the thing, I've asked specifically for examples of current MTB trails being closed down due to Ebikes. Just one. Haven't gotten any responses except one guy on the Norco comments the other day telling me he had to keep it secret. Seriously, I kid you not. He claimed it had happened somewhere in the Pacific Northwest but for "reasons" it was sensitive and he had to keep it secret. I almost did a spit take when I read that as I was drinking coffee. Then he vaporized. Think he was telling the truth? Anyway, now I get one side saying it'll bring the yobs who would otherwise have stayed home, ripping up trails and stealing people's wives, and another side saying it won't bring new people at all and only current riders will migrate to ebikes, and another side that's saying current access will be lost, and another side saying we gotta save people from going too far out and getting stuck with no charge and a 50lb rig. My money is on none of these things being an issue, and all those people spreading all that FUD fading into obscurity and ultimately denying they ever said it. And I don't even own one! (yet). ;-)
  • 2 1
 YES! Bravo. Haters are not going to like this.
  • 6 0
 I think people are over analyzing it too much. Just looking at an e-bike being ridden on the trails, you would know that it is going to have pretty much the same impact as regular mountain bike. Not sure what people are get all riled up about when it comes to e-bikes.
  • 2 0
 High tide raises all boats. Aka, more people enjoying Mother Nature means more people want to protect her.
  • 2 4
 I disagree with this.. It may be low impact on the trails in the sense that e-bike create the same indents on berms and jumps as a standard mountain bike But actually, the environmental impact of using batteries is very high! And it means that trails will ultimately be impacted Even if its just that trails have to dissapear to create more landfills for your end of life batteries IMO Ebikes should only be used when absolutely necessary, perhaps due to disability.. Otherwise its just laziness and a lack of care for the environment, because pedal powered bikes have been doing the job with no problem at all for centuries
  • 2 1
 @nordland071285: so your argument can also be used for any one who owns a hybrid or electric car to take their non e-bike to the trail centre.
  • 2 2
 @fatduke: And even more so to people driving their e-bike to the trail

But i'd argue that cars are actually necessary to most peoples lives (not mine).. So if battery powered car is better to the environment than other methods of powering a car - then fine
Lesser of two evils

But, e-bike are only necessary to very few people (people with disabilities are the only people I can think of).. So instead, a human powered bike should be chosen imo.. as its better to the environment
  • 9 2
 As much as I want to say I'm glad someone finally performed a study on the effects of e-bikes on trails, I'm sorry, this doesn't quite count as a study, there are no actual results that I can see (someone please link in case I've missed them) other than some anecdotal evidence from a few years of cycling.
@Chuckolicious they say "more than 300 miles of riding a wide range of trails on Class 1 e-bikes in different conditions", 300 miles over 3 years is minuscule, that equates to a little under 1/3 of a mile per day, or a 1.92 mile ride per week. Now unless they mean 300 miles per person, that's a bit better, but not much.
Also, the sentence before the aforementioned quote says "And what we mean by “study” is we’ve actually ridden Class 1 electric-assist mountain bikes – e-bikes with pedal assist up to 20 mph – extensively on OHV-legal trails in the Tahoe National Forest", I think the focal words here are OHV-legal trails. A 40lb e-bike will have almost no impact on road that designated for actual motor vehicles. So I'll agree here, on OHV roads, an e-bike would have no effect.
So lets get back to actual MTB trails where no motor vehicles (ie. with a throttle etc.) are allowed. We can all agree that an e-bike can let you climb faster and go further, you'll get no argument from me here, however, and I suppose this is my issue:
Person A has an e-bike, a Kenevo for visualization, and Person B has a Stumpy. Both roughly same height, weight and ability.
They both turn up at 'The Trail' on Saturday morning and plan on riding 8 hrs on Saturday and 6 hrs on Sunday (gotta go home at some point I'm afraid!) but different weekends.
They both start sessioning 'The Trail' and have great times, shredding the gnar and boosting whatever they can.
At the end of the trips, Person B, being under his own power has hit 'The Trail' a total of 40 times we'll say. pretty respectable for this trail. However, Person A, having an e-bike has hit the trail 75 times!
This is the point, which one do you think is going to cause more erosion to an MTB trail, the 30lb bike that hits a trail 40 times in 14hrs...... or a 40lb bike that hits the trail 75 times in 14hrs???
Trail erosion is a real thing, and everything has an impact on it, generally the heavier the object on the trail, or the more its used cause greater erosion.
There is also the other issue, that is if people have a further range on their bikes due to motor and battery, then they reach farther into the wilderness, cool right? Not necessarily, they're going into untouched habitat that could, very potentially, start causing problems for that eco-system.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734

@nordland071285 also made a good point that the production in both batteries and motors isn't exactly the most nature conscious endeavor either.

Look, I'm not hating on e-bikes, I agree with a few of the points like that it can encourage more people out cycling, and yes I know there are different classes of them too. I just think more information and actual studies with evidence are needed so trail centers can adapt and everyone can have a good time.

Any way, if you made it this far, thanks for reading my 2-cents, now I should probably get back to work.... after breakfast!
Happy shredding!
  • 1 0
 @aschark: Finally, a reasonable voice of dissent. While I disagree with several of your points, it's super refreshing to be engaged by someone rational and intelligent. Thanks man!

OK, yes, you are not incorrect about sample size and methodology. This "study" was not at all scientific. However, I do believe the intent was sound. And analyzing it, I cannot find a hidden agenda or ulterior motive for them to be biased towards Ebikes. As I've mentioned before, it is groups like this that have historically opposed MTB access of any sort. For me, that's the real value of this, not the unscientific conclusions.

As for "OHV", I've ridden them in that area and quite a few are no different than what modern bikers consider purpose built flow and even single track. Did Mt Hough several times this summer, it's been OHV and mainly Moto forever. Finally allowed shuttles last year. Trail is amazing and I found no difference between it and some non OHV bike trails I rode in the region. Actually, did Flow trail in Santa Cruze soon after and it was way wider and more buff than Hough.

OK, yes, if your basic argument is that if an EBike allows someone to ride farther that equates to more trail wear and tear, sure, physics agrees. However it's not wear and tear in a particular spot, just more spread over more miles. As for weight, take a typical Levo at 48lb. My Enduro is 31lb. I'm 148lb but know many riders in the 200lb+ club. So it's pretty common for the total weight per tire patch to be a wash. If these rigs were 100lb like the Sur Ron, then I think you'd have more of a point. But they're already at the point of not making much if any difference. And that's only going to change super fast. Expect sub 40lb with Levo like specs within 3 years.

As to they will ride far into "untouched habitat", I have to respectfully point out the main flaw in that argument. There's a trail already. So it's not pristine, untouched, etc. These things are no more like ATVs than normally aspirated bikes.

Batteries and toxic-ness!!! Look, yes, adding a battery to the mix increases the embodied energy/environmental impact of a bike. Physics agrees. But first off, most of these larger batteries are recycled. Smaller lithium batteries found in everything from phones to disposable sticky LEDs are the problem as nobody recycles them. Large format like bike and upwards have a recycling and/or repurposing stream that is becoming more and more robust. But have you looked at the impact of carbon as a frame material? It's friggin awful and basically no end-of-life use other than landfill. Aluminum is super valued for recycling, so the claimed incremental performance benefits of carbon over aluminum, in my opinion, don't justify the environmental impact. Seriously, do a bit of reading on it. Or don't, if you don't want to be depressed. I only learned about this recently myself. I'm not trying whataboutism, but I am putting the battery paradigm into perspective.

To your final point, I completely agree and have said so in comment many times. The industry needs a bit of oversight and caution to mitigate the known and unknown issues that will inevitably show themselves. Some good science would help too. I am pleased that so far none of the claimed issues actually seem to be real, rather just hysteria and FUD. But I'm sure there will be some speed bumps along the way.

Thanks for keeping it classy and intelligently engaging!
  • 1 0
 @nordland071285: See my response to Aschark below. I hope you chose an aluminum bike over carbon if that's the way you feel.
  • 3 2
 Lets imagine for a minute that we were talking about paddling. A river is open to human powered boats but not to motor boats, then someone introduces a paddle with a battery and an electric motor on the end which doubles the speed of the paddler, would this be considered a motor-boat ? or something different ? I think the real issue here is human powered recreation vs motorized recreation. Sure an ebike is alot closer to a regular mtb than a dirtbike, but they aren't the same, hell they can't even use the same parts (heavy duty tires, forks, brakes etc just like motorbikes) . Splitting hairs about how close ebiking is to mountain biking isn't the point, its about drawing a line between human powered and motorized activity.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious : Erosion is not the only issue! You can address erosion with shovels, cheap pizza, and high school-aged shop rats! On multiuse trails here in the USA, the worry land managers face are increased negative interactions with hikers and horseback riders. Ebikes have the potential (although I doubt there is any good data on this yet) to increase these interactions.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: Umn, have you actually read my now many comments here, including my last detailed response directly to you? I think I addressed all the claimed potential maybe but we don't know fears, all the way to the hysterical FUD that some are spreading around liberally.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: Depends in if there are already official classes that state what kind of motor and boost it can provide, like there already are for EMTB. And yea, they use a lot of the same parts, Class 1 anyway, and as they become lighter that will be even more common. BTW, you don't consider a DH bike to be a bike? I ask because most of the "heavy duty" stuff is just DH stuff.
  • 2 0
 @Chuckolicious: I certainly did Smile carbon fibre wasn't common or at all affordable when I last bought a bike anyway.. but I'd certainly always go for a metal again if I were to buy now

Thanks for your info about increased recycling of batteries.. That is good to hear but its still not as good as skipping batteries (and motors) altogether imo
  • 1 2
 @Chuckolicious: I consider DH bikes to be mechanized because you can't pedal them to the top of the mountain in order to ride down.
  • 1 0
 @fuzzhead45: lol way off on your comprehension of power output. Not even on the right units of measurement.
  • 2 0
 @stevemokan: Trail advocacy and stewardship are both parts of mountain biking. Now so are pedal assist bikes. Get over it!
  • 1 0
 To save us reading the article does it say anything about unskilled newbie wannabees flogging the things UP trails that have previously been known by local riders to be predominantly (or even signposted as only) downhill.
Cos that's the main problem as l see it,https://youtu.be/cK3995Gb6nU idiots in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  • 3 0
 @Chuckolicious: You're more than welcome and thanks for the detailed response!

It was only really the sample size my issue was with, definitely not with the intention behind the study they performed. I really think they did have the best intentions at heart as they were actively considering the impact of e-bikes on their local scene, knowing that more would probably be on the scene in the coming future.

That's good information on the OHV trails there, even that some are similar to the non-OHV trails. I'm living in Ireland so there's a few dedicated MTB trails and mostly everything else then can be used by anyone. Also a few dedicated walking trails too as you'd expect.

My point on wear and tear I do still stick by though, all else being equal, lets say even the weight of a MTB and eMTB for argument (cause I agree with you there, eMTBs in the next few years will easily rival modern MTBs), then you're still going to see wear and tear at a higher rate simply because the trail is used more. Now, as @hamncheez says, erosion can be addressed "with shovels, cheap pizza, and high school-aged shop rats" (chicken fillet baguettes and Monster in my case) but that can put more strain on trail centres and I do feel more should be done by trail centers and bike companies and even LBSs as to the possible impact of eMTBs on trails.

Probably should have clarified, I meant there is now the increased possibility that they will stray from the trail knowing that their bike has essentially a greater range and capability.

Ah yeah, carbon fibre, I will not be getting one till they are able to streamline and improve the recycling process. I know BMW are currently working on recycling carbon fibre waste from production, but it just isn't at the stage currently where its feasable for most companies. Although the counter argument there is that if something isn't popular, then money won't be spent trying to develop it, such a little cycle it is!

I think the main take away here, like you say, is just a bit more oversight with a little bit more evidence based backing!

Thanks again for a thoughtful response!
  • 2 0
 @DGWW: you *can* pedal a DH bike to the top of a hill, it's just not very fun! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @aschark: with a 7 speed DH cassette band a 36t sprocket ?
  • 1 1
 @stevemokan: That's a dumb US thing which doesn't apply to the rest of the world. Stop commenting this BS on a global network please.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: not the worst ever.

Most DH cassettes are 24t at the top, most road are 28t. Most road front small chainrings are about the 36t mark. As I said, not fun, but definitely possible, it's how I used to get to the top + and some hike a bike!
  • 1 0
 @Yetimike2019: what are the correct units? The SI unit of power is Watts so I’m not sure what else you’d measure it in?
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 @Chuckolicious: but why does everyone draw the line at class 1, what I’m trying to say is anywhere a class 1 bike is allowed a class 2 bike should be allowed. They weigh the same, have similar or less power output and would cause equal or less trail erosion. They would also get more people out on the trail!
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 @aschark: With increased cycling, then hopefully it would correspond with an increase of people willing to do trail work. For government-managed lands, higher usage usually means larger budgets as well (at least one would hope).

I realize this isn't the norm everywhere, but the trails behind my house (3000 foot descent style trails) are all moto trails, and I love them. Very few people mountain bike them because of how steep they are. The trails are all moto hill climbs, so they are twisty and incredibly steep. The motos erode the crap out of everything with all their roost. no one ever does any trail maintenance, and the trails are still brilliant.

As for recycling, thermoplastic instead of epoxy-based resins is the future of carbon fiber. It has long shelf life, is safer to work with, and completely recyclable:

www.pinkbike.com/news/european-carbon-manufacturer-will-replace-rank-and-file-workers-with-robots.html
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 @fuzzhead45: It's because of that fuzzy grey area thing that comes with Life, The Universe, and Everything. Because of that inconvenience, we just gotta do the best we can. With that, a rig that has a throttle is way more likely to be used just as a defect Moto. Remember, with a throttle, you can then throw on really big batteries and go extra super far.
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 I don’t see how a class 2 is more likely to be modes. They requires the exact same modification as a class 1 to get more power/speed out of them.

And I’m not sure what you are getting at with adding a big battery to a class 2 so it could go super far, Isn’t this whole article about a class 1 bike that threw on an extra battery so that it could go extra super far? Class 2 bikes would inherently have less range than a class 1 bike because all of your power to go forward is coming from the battery and not necessarily being supplemented by human power. @Chuckolicious:
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 @fuzzhead45: Not sure I can present it any other way. So if you feel strongly, then start advocating for that. Best of luck.
  • 17 2
 Mount the sram AXS stuff and you can have SIX batteries on your bike!!
  • 4 2
 When wireless brakes come out? 10!!!
  • 2 0
 I want power steering too.
  • 12 0
 i am a banana
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 And if you were an electric banana, you might not be a “banana”. Lol
  • 11 1
 I'd be totally fine with E bikes on my trails if only they were required to tow non e-bikers to the top.
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 I would be ok with trying that on my ebike.
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 Actually my wife has tried towing me on her ebike. It’s not as helpful as you would think.
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 So many people complain about ebikes and I don't understand it. We all spend tons of money to make our bikes the most efficient that we can, get the most forward movement from the least wattage used. While I understand there is a leap from lightweight components, optimized geo, etc to an assist motor its really not that big of a leap. I'll continue riding my conventional bike until the ups get too rough on me due to a few health issues I have that will certainly progress, but then I'll be grinning ear to ear on the downs on my ebike.
  • 5 0
 I think most people are ok with the use of e bikes by the elderly, sick or physically handicapped. It's the remainder of the demographic switching to e bikes that ruffle peoples feathers
  • 11 4
 But Wait!! There's more!!! Call now and you can get TWO batteries!!!
  • 11 22
flag capmtn (Sep 16, 2019 at 11:20) (Below Threshold)
 But wait! You used your computer and/or smartphone which requires electricity and/or battery to criticize the use of batteries!

Stupid is as stupid does. And you're doing stupid all right.
  • 9 1
 @capmtn: you seem like a great person!
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 Jis maar die ouens wat kla is darem 'n klomp droë drolle. While all you strava hunters and people with more time to ride than work on your hands can comment away all day, the truth is for working mothers and fathers, the e-bike makes it so much more easy to just get out, nip up that hill and have access to the trail you enjoy. The workout is great, there is fresh air in your face, and a smile on it at the bottom of the hill. If you live in a city like mine (Cape Town) which only consists of hills, and downhills, then these bikes makes so much sense.
  • 2 1
 I find it somewhat ironic or ridiculous to read certain comments because the videos that usually riders are on regular bicycles either running totally muddy routes or skidding just to watch how fast they are seem to be the ones that receive the most likes but then they bother for E-mtbikes because their impact to the trails is too much....
  • 3 0
 I keep seeing comments about more battery equals more power. It isn’t increased power, it extends the run time.
  • 8 4
 The norco looks nicer
  • 2 1
 Hopefully the next Sight will have similar battery life. I can't do my regular rides on the current Sight, Haibike, or Devinci models I've tried.
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 @alexisfire: new range can take a double battery
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 And yet all of the electric bike haters rely on electricity to post shitty anti e-bike troll posts.
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 Nice bait
  • 2 1
 Yes - except a computer/phone is a necessity in this day and age
  • 5 3
 Those last few pics look like keys in an ignition.
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 And yet you drove to the trailhead.
  • 3 2
 it'll be nice, in the future, when the comments section below a new ebike is actually about that particular ebike.
  • 2 1
 Or when there is a separate website for this type of content. And yes , I know it can be shut off but not from the mobile site !
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 @DGWW: Just don't read the article?
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 @konamat: not an option , like a moth to the flame , I am drawn
  • 1 0
 Maybe still it's eBike but it looks quite nice. But those prices, naahhhh..
  • 3 1
 still. not. interested.
  • 1 1
 Another option would be a KTM E-XC freeride, e-bike!
  • 5 7
 just here waiting for those people to start obliterating this ebike into oblivion
  • 3 3
 Psh, still Pregnant.
  • 2 2
 More mopeds lol
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