@richierocket: Really wanted Messere do big things and know he is a podium contender. All the more respect to riders finishing runs, specially Rogatkin hiyoooo!!!!
I have to disagree, his tricks are "physically" hard, but they lack the complexity and refinement of Rheeder. I do think the judging is wrong to award so many points to Rogaktin's style of riding. There is no artistry there just brute strength. Personal preference for sure, but its how I see it. Would like to see what would happen if Semenuk showed up.
I think the judging could better reflect the difficulty of opposite tricks. It's an age old argument from skiing/snowboarding: do you spin to win or use technical difficulty and style? In my experience from skiing it's way easier to huck in your comfortable direction then go opposite. With Rheeder doing opposite spins and opposite whips, I thought his run was more impressive, but there is no denying Rogatkin also had a bonkers run in his own right.
I know they don't judge by comparison, but here's a rundown of how I would compare the runs:
Drop/Step down. Rogatkin cork 7, Rheeder half cab. Rogatkin 1, Rheeder 0 Boner: Rogatkin 360 whip, Rheeder backflip oppo whip. Rogatkin 1, Rheeder 1 Jump: Rogatkin twister, Rheeder cork 7 bar spin. I would lean toward Rheeder but we'll call it a draw. Jump: Rogatkin double backflip, Rheeder backflip whip. Rogatkin 2, Rheeder 1 Step up: Rogatkin backflip no hander, Rheeder oppo cork 7. Rogatkin 2, Rheeder 2 Step down: Rogatkin frontflip no hander, Rheeder truck driver. Rogatkin 3, Rheeder 2 Jump: Rogatkin triple whip, Rheeder frontflip bar spin no hander. Rogatkin 3, Rheeder 3 Step up: Rogatkin backflip bar spin, Rheeder bar spin. Rogatkin 4, Rheeder 3 Step down: Rogatkin double whip, Rheeder backflip whip. Rogatkin 4, Rheeder 4
Now factoring in the difficulty of those tricks, honestly, I would've put Rheeder on top still. Also factoring in that Rogatkin likes to do combos of the same trick. If Rheeder had nabbed that backflip double whip on the back half of the four pack and maybe done a combo on the last step up, I don't see how he wouldn't be on the top step.
At the end of the day, the contest was amazing. Wicked riding from all riders and great entertainment.
i really want to see fakie tricks awarded more points just to encourage it to be more of a thing. i think there is something so stylish about it in bmx.
@adrennan: Its already awarded pretty heavily. The reason why Rogatkin still wins is because he's constantly doing tricks no one else has done before. That seems to be the only way to win against someone who is so smooth that you can't tell the difference between his reg. and oppo.
@scott-townes: other people can do the 1080, although no one did. NO ONE can flat drop flip whip, oppo cork 7 onto whale tail, to my knowledge anyways. Still think brett was robbed a little bit. Nicoli is bonkers though...
I was very surprised initially to see Rogatkin jump 2 points ahead of Rheeder, but on review its about right.
My issue with opposite tricks is that, to the untrained eye, they don't look any different, at the end of the day slopestyle is a spectator sport and needs to appeal to a broad audience.
Rogatkin's run was way more visually impressive, but understanding the difficulty, I was blown away by Rheeder's run and wasn't sure if Rogatkin would take the lead with his 2nd run. My wife however who was watching thought Rogatkins run was way better, therein lies the issue in that opposite tricks look like the same trick has just been repeated twice to the untrained eye.
For the sport to progress and the riders to earn the money they deserve, it needs to progress the way of Rogatkins style and tricks which have that visual wow factor, my wife literally only watches slopestyle to see Rogatkins runs, that's the appeal and marketability he brings to the sport and why oppo tricks, to an extent, hold back the progression of slopestyle.
The majority of sheeple don't want to watch a sport where the apparently less impressive run wins and then some geek has to explain to them why 'actually it was better'.
I agree with all that. Such a dope comp. Really impressed rheeder didnt repeat a single trick imo. did two reg. flip whips but the last was obviously a lot different being a flat drop. Kinda thought the judges might dock Nicholi for the semi repeat of all his tail whips, (3 whip, triple, and double) all regular way too, but I guess not. Insanely high quality from all the top 5. Emil was dialed from the start, incredible.
@ctd07: I don't think they award more points because the unaware public thought a run looked better. Or I would at least hope not. I would also say that explaining an opposite trick is not hard. Tell them to try to jump and spin a 360 in each direction, and when they fall over going their opposite way, say "Now imagine that on a bike!"
@adamkat: Can you show me one MTB slope comp where anyone else does a cashroll 10 or triple whip or a double whip off a flat drop? And yeah, Rheeder's flat drop flip whip is new to the sport as of a few months ago so understandably he's the only one doing it.
I like the trick for trick breakdown, and in my opinion, it goes to Rheeder. But, I also understand how close it is and don’t knock anyone for giving it to Rogatkin.
It’s judging a run between a monster truck and a McLaren.
@scott-townes: Can't remember where exactly or who but I'm thinking Antione Bizet or caverzasi have done it in comp, want to say Rotorua. And people have been doing triple whips and double whips for years, Rogatkin included. Anyways, point being he's not the only one doing new tricks, as you stated Rheeders flat flip whip is "new to the sport". Thats not an excuse for him being the only one, he's the reason its new to the sport. Anyway you look at it, Rheeder did two tricks never seen in comp before, Rogatkin did 0. So I don't think that can't be where Nicholi got his extra credit from.
@adamkat: But you can't think of one person who has done a double whip off flat drop in a comp? Also let me re-word it this way.... has anyone done a cork 720 off a drop, a twister into a double backflip along with a triple whip all tied into one run? One of those tricks alone would be the banger in most peoples runs. The cork 720 drop was the winning/banger trick in Semenuk's run a few years ago when it was essentially, just like Rheeder's flipwhip flat drop. It was mind blowing at the time.
At the end of the day, the whole run is judged together as well as based on what tricks are done on what features and how well they are done. There's more to it than just comparing who did what on each feature, including flow between the jumps and which tricks are done after another and when, casing the landing or riding away in the sweet spot, catching the pedals better, etc.
@scott-townes: Rotorua 2018: Diego Caverzasi did a twister. Dirt Battle Vienna: Dawid Godziek did a twister no hand. Moreover Martin Soderstrom did a couple times triple tailwhip in the competitions
@Julekm: Yes, those were all their single banger tricks. They weren't linked up in a run with multiple other tricks people would only do once. Also still not one example of anyone doing a double whip off a flat drop. Nikolai's run as a whole was next level insane.
@scott-townes: I agree with you in one way. Rogatkin had a clean run with really hard tricks but without tech combos and style like Rheeder, Fedko or Tommy G
@Julekm: if you getting picky about style, Emil should have got at least 3rd! He was way more stylish than Fedko!!!! Style won’t always win...innovation will do just the same!
i really wish rheeder had gotten his flip double whip and triple truck off the whale tail... i dont think rogatkin's second run would have surpassed him if rheeder got his whole run
Point being; to finish first you must first finish (your whole run in this case). I can't believe all the Captain Hindsight comments going on about this.
When his first trick is the half cab, I was like seriously, another semenuk's idea. He probably still hurt by Rogatkin's past year interview on him about imitating Semenuk, only oppo the spins.
Rheeder looks similar to Sem without the mega style. I don't think Sem's last winning run was better than Rogatkins this year. The ease and smooth landings of his 1080's, I can imagine a 1440 coming to a course near you soon. That's why his scores have improved, he make them look like a 7.
That video last week from Storch on how to ride like Nicholi was actually a spoiler and it was completely accurate. As I watched the winning run I felt like had seen it before.....spot on!
IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT EMIL'S RUN WAS THE BEST RUN OF 2018. It may not have been contest winning worthy, but it was absolutely amazing to see him ride that way after 3 hours of total riding that year. That kid is not human.
Wow, the things they do nowadays are just crazy. I think it's the competition format, back in the day everyone just kind of did their own thing when it came to riding, if you watch shows like, "Drop-In" or something.
I remember a time when people would complain about how the course was so smooth that there were actually people riding hard tails on it. Now two out of the top three are on hard tails.
Brett would've won if he did more than a barspin up the final step-up, & more than a flip whip on the one jump as well (guessing he was either going for flip whip to bar or flip double whip)
i am wondering how someone with no style can win a slopeSTYLE contest !? for me N.R. does sick tricks but is not stylish enough to be top ten, 2 cents !
It's a slopestyle contest, not Rampage. The whole point is to compare each riders trick bag on whatever features are present, not hucking the biggest drop or jump. That being said, Semenuk is designing the course next year, so I bet it will be a good one.
I know they don't judge by comparison, but here's a rundown of how I would compare the runs:
Drop/Step down. Rogatkin cork 7, Rheeder half cab. Rogatkin 1, Rheeder 0
Boner: Rogatkin 360 whip, Rheeder backflip oppo whip. Rogatkin 1, Rheeder 1
Jump: Rogatkin twister, Rheeder cork 7 bar spin. I would lean toward Rheeder but we'll call it a draw.
Jump: Rogatkin double backflip, Rheeder backflip whip. Rogatkin 2, Rheeder 1
Step up: Rogatkin backflip no hander, Rheeder oppo cork 7. Rogatkin 2, Rheeder 2
Step down: Rogatkin frontflip no hander, Rheeder truck driver. Rogatkin 3, Rheeder 2
Jump: Rogatkin triple whip, Rheeder frontflip bar spin no hander. Rogatkin 3, Rheeder 3
Step up: Rogatkin backflip bar spin, Rheeder bar spin. Rogatkin 4, Rheeder 3
Step down: Rogatkin double whip, Rheeder backflip whip. Rogatkin 4, Rheeder 4
Now factoring in the difficulty of those tricks, honestly, I would've put Rheeder on top still. Also factoring in that Rogatkin likes to do combos of the same trick. If Rheeder had nabbed that backflip double whip on the back half of the four pack and maybe done a combo on the last step up, I don't see how he wouldn't be on the top step.
At the end of the day, the contest was amazing. Wicked riding from all riders and great entertainment.
It’s judging a run between a monster truck and a McLaren.
At the end of the day, the whole run is judged together as well as based on what tricks are done on what features and how well they are done. There's more to it than just comparing who did what on each feature, including flow between the jumps and which tricks are done after another and when, casing the landing or riding away in the sweet spot, catching the pedals better, etc.
Please call 911....I’ll probably be needing some help!
for me N.R. does sick tricks but is not stylish enough to be top ten, 2 cents !