Video: Troy Lee Designs Announces New D4 Helmet Details

 *with a pushpin. I'm not a psycho....

 Second, the XL is the only thing that fits me well

 @poozank: Same. It's a good fitting lid. I just got a POC full face and the fit isn't quite there but close

 @mtbikemccoy: In Minecraft.

 @Needles: their xl are still tad small to me, unless they change the shape of the helmet - hard pass;

For me met/ bell/ smith all way to go based on the scull form

 but double the price

 Not a bad thing to notice.

 @cyberoptixs: D3 carbon Mips was $495 usd, the increase is about 15%, and was less than that pre-tariff price. TeXtreme® Carbon is significantly more expensive but we saw some fantastic strength increases and weight decreases to justify that.

 @troyleedesigns: Are these in stock in the Laguna Beach store? I'll be in OC on Thursday

 I still like better the D3 , I guess I’m not yet used to this design , don’t like the chin it’s too robotic and it looks like barrowed from 100% a bit .... but love the sides and the rear better than the one from d3 S

 @barbarosza: Dude, maybe you're missing the fact that the 100% helmet is an emulation of the timeless TLD silhouette. I really don't know who borrowed from whom... Actually, pretty much all popular full-face helmet are inspired by the shape of the D2 and Daytona, with the high visor, arched rear and the typically cut mouthpiece; really, they are all emulations with some change of detail here and there.

 @Maxipedia: what? That’s like saying Session is an emulation of Kona Stab Supreme or Commencal Supreme DH is an emulation of Brooklyn Machine Works, Ford Focus an emulation of VW Golf... yeah it has a visor a chin piece and the head slides in. It’s not A latest Stumpy ripping off Orbea Rallon.

 Damn these D3 looks still feel as fresh as ever!
For all frinds that were entering mtb scene and instantly wanting to buy a D3 I used to say wait till you earn it (not a good advise for the business TLD ;-) ). Still, if I ever stop mtb for whatever reason, my D3 will be my lifetime souvenir for our sport to remember.
It is that good in my eyes

 @Maxipedia: most likely.Credit yer way.

 @WAKIdesigns: You have heard me right, Waki! Do you remember what was around before the Daytona came and before the D2 gained traction? The plain ass ugly Giro Mad Max, Bell Bellistic or MET Attila, maybe Qranc Qamaqaze. Do you remember what was the recipe to make a helmet look good in those days? Bolt a TLD Moto Ace visor to it! When full face helmets started becoming cheaper, 661 played a big role in this game, but the shape of their flagship product was pretty much a rip off of the D2. THE had a helmet imitating the D2 for years, OGK Kabuto's effort was pretty much identical too and this applies to the D3 era as well. When Fox entered the helmet game with the initial Rampage, it was too very similar to the D2 profile. The D3 opened a new era of safer helmets, while the shape remained mostly unaltered, but with sharper edges and details, while the D2 was more rounded-off. OGK Kabuto's IXA followed suit, pretty much identical to the D3, while the 100% Strata also keeps the main lines with some alterations, but basics are the same. Few full-face helmets have actually shown signs of true originality, even POC's efforts can be traced back to the initial silhouette. And if we want to dig deeper, we can go to the origins of it all, with the Troxel-made TLD Edge plus Race Face of the early 90's. So yes, when something has spawned so much imitation, it's normal to say it out loud. After all, you know what they say with plagiarism being the most sincere form of flattery...

 @gapos999: So having a quality helmet that looks good to protect one from head injuries is now something you should "earn" in mountain biking?

 @troyleedesigns: would have been nice to get a picture of the helmet in full light though. It being hard to see may be cool for instagram but for an actual buyer i'd rather see the helmet.

 @gapos999: agree, how other people spend their money is totally our business. they shouldnt be allowed to make purchasing decisions until they consult us.

 @troyleedesigns: Are you saying that the carbon is stronger than the composite?

 @troyleedesigns: D3 is by far the best looking helmet ever made. Does the D4 replace the D3 or nah?

 @rockchomper: did you go to the TLD website? or any online dealer websites?

 @Abacall: Textreme® carbon yes.

 @WAKIdesigns: If the Stage, which is TLD's take at that kind of helmet and for me very fitting design-wise, is a letter of love to Megatron, then those ugly-ass techno look Fox lids must be odes to Shockwave. Trust me, I know my G1 Transformers very well! I don't mind that, since everybody has their own design preferences and I believe Fox make quality, I just happen to dislike all that flexing of technology and angularity and I appreciate hot rods and Americana more. Same goes for Giro and the bulky Bells; good quality but far from pretty. I like the looks of the Strata too, but it's good looking because of that timeless shape I mentioned before. I also agree with you that the fit of the D2 is still unmatched (this is why I keep rocking mine in all the flavours available and I have six), and that the fit of the D3 is something you need to get used to. But otherwise, the Stage fits and feels amazing, the A1 too, so I am all too curious about the D4. I had the chance to pre-order one late summer, but I chose to go with a navy/white D3 Fiberlite, as a late homage to the D3 line and because it looks amazing and just ticks all my boxes. The D4 is up next. Cheers, brother!

 @Maxipedia: I tried to buy D3 three times. The closest I got was XL. It’s just narrow in general. Previous Fox Rampage Pro didn’t fit me either. I have a personal problem with being rather sensitive to pressure on my head and even a too tight fitting baseball cap will give me a head ache going to the root canals of my teeth after only 15 minutes. So here’s the honest reason. I got 100% Aircraft carbon Mips because I borrowed one from my friend and it just slid in almost like D2. Poc Coron DH fitted me well too, but the size and the weight of it became unbearable for me, especially after I hit the ground not too hard and it felt like my neck wanted to fall off. Then my friend told me that he had a few diggers in it on training on World Champs and he will never wear it again. He never felt concussed after such hits in other helmets. And he has some good diggers before. Some research actually suggest that size of the helmet matters a lot. So I resigned from D3 and bought 100%.

As to the design, again D2, D3 and now D4 are the best looking for me and American styling seems way better than Euro. I mean Met full face helmets, what the Ef... and Met is an Italian company! They have history of both appealing and functional design. Or AXS lids, the fk is that. There’s also something inherently wrong with Bell super R and DH - Cool as half lids but it’s too shallow, the chin of many people sticks from under the chin piece, and somehow if you put glasses to it instead of goggles, it just screams “My name is Jerry deeeerp!” “I Like to eat sht on the backsides of flattest jumps but I am n fact having jolly good fun!”. Somehow girls look really good in it. I don’t know.

I’d simply hope TLD took inside of D2 and built D4 around it with the enlarged removable cheek pads.

 @WAKIdesigns: I had a D2 and it was the best fit for me in the line. I tried a D3 and then their carbon when it came out but the fit was different than the composite and it didn't work for me. So I gave up on TLD.

You say you have sensitivity to pressure especially around the jaw area? I'm wondering how you deal with the 100% . It's one of the narrowest on the market, especially at the cheek bone area. I have the Aircraft Carbon Mips, brand new. Hasn't seen a DH season. It puts a pressure on my cheek bones like no other compared to any helmet I've ever had, and I don't have a large head. I run a medium in the Aircraft, which fits GREAT everywhere except the cheekbone/jaw area. They have interchangeable cheek pads. Medium comes with 25mm, they have an option for 20mm (thick) pads that I've been trying to get ahold of but it's been really difficult and they don't know when/if they are coming in again.

I'm hoping those pads will break in a bit with use, but if not I have to find some different cheek pads. Other than that, IMO, it's the best helmet I've put on my head to date.

 Content seems to be getting more video orientated, which is shit. Maybe I'm out of touch but I like to properly appreciate most of my media in pictures and on a desktop.

 www.vitalmtb.com/features/A-Legend-Reborn-Troy-Lee-Designs-D4-First-Look,2833

 quit complaining and head on to Vital,
www.vitalmtb.com/features/A-Legend-Reborn-Troy-Lee-Designs-D4-First-Look,2833
we all know they make better content nowadays,
personally just visits pinkbike for the comment section.

 @Zuman: Come one PB content is pretty good for the most part.

 Or ya know, you could read the article and click the link that takes you to the TLD site that is selling them and has all kinds of pics and colors. But bitching works too I guess.

 @everythingsucks: I can also watch a video and press pause. Yes. Makes no sense either, sorry...

 troyleedesigns.com/collections/d4-helmets




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 @WAKIdesigns: you could also simply head over to TLD website ... Basic internet 101 , theres even a link in the press release...

But dont hold your breath, they still have the same ugly TroyLee paint jobs

 @WAKIdesigns:

You asked for 2 pictures
Links were provided

But you complaining again as usual...

 Try the fun little link at the bottom of the post... "More information on the new D4 is available here."

 @WAKIdesigns Good lord dude, this isnt a press release, PB posted this. Go to the website www.troyleedesigns.com and see dozens of views of the helmet.

 @stikmanglaspell: I went to the website right away. I am not stupid .

 So you’re saying it’s ugly?

 @satansdog: no. I like both

 @svinyard The EPS (High speed energy) impact liner we are using in the D4 Textreme and Composite is made in the USA. The helmet also has a newly developed EPP (low speed energy) injected chinbar as well as a new shoulder/collarbone impact relief zone.

 @troyleedesigns: thanks! Beauty of a helmet.

 @troyleedesigns: but the helmet is produced in asia?

 @troyleedesigns: It's surprising to see the liner not incorporating the same EPP + EPS construction used in the A2 Mips. That seems like a substantial step backward in terms of reducing concussion risk. The EPP in the chinbar might have a concussion-reduction benefit, but the collarbone thing probably doesn't, and the main shell is just regular EPS with regular Mips. So this looks like a design that's lagging behind many of its competitors when it comes to concussion safety.

 @Phillyenduro: this is what I was also wondering. Was there some research that went into this decision? It'd be nice to see Virginia Tech data to actually see which helmet is doing the best for a FF.

 @Phillyenduro: We built first helmet with EPP/EPS, but we did not like the test results for this type of helmet. I am curious how you think USA made EPS, with an unprecedented amount of EPS in the critical impact zones, with microshell surrounded vent areas for even more energy management is a 'step backward'?

 @Svinyard: VT isn't doing full face tests yet, but we are eagerly awaiting-we've done our own comparative testing and happy with the results. That being said, TLD is the ONLY brand to have 2 models in the top 5 of the MTB safety rankings at VT.

 @stikmanglaspell: You said you're curious how I think the D4's design is a subtantial step backwards for reducing concussion risk, so I'll explain why I said that. The A2 Mips which used an EPP + EPS shell. I believe that making helmet shells softer is a critical component of reducing concussion risk, because EPS, a harder foam, is good for preventing skull fractures from big hits but not good for preventing concussions from smaller hits. Incorporating softer EPP foam into the A2's shell was a huge positive step by TLD. Going back to an all-EPS main shell with regular Mips for the D4 seems like a big step back.

Of course, you know what you're testing shows and I don't. You know what your test procedure is and I don't. So I can't comment on what it means that you didn't like the test results for a fullface with EPP + EPS. I concede that what seems like a step backward may in fact make safety sense for reasons you haven't explained. For the rest, "USA made EPS" and "unprecedented mount of EPS in critical impact zones" sounds to me like marketing-speak, and I don't know what "microshell surrounded vent areas" means. I don't see that feature mentioned in the text above or in the online product description. So I didn't even know it existed and have no idea how effective it might be for managing concussion-level forces.

Does that clear up why I think the D4 seems like a step backwards from the A2 in terms of concussion safety?

 D4 composite is 1050gm, which is lighter than our D3 carbon was.

 @troyleedesigns: very nice

 D3 Fiberlite, still in the line, $239 USD

 @stikmanglaspell: Yup,thats the price I paid for my carbon D3.Now I want the black and chrome one.

 Just read a comment below from someone stating fidlock can be uncomfortable and chafe against the skin. I'll try more out and re-evaluate my opinions :-D

 @Lankycrank: i have a fidlock buckle on my snowboard helmet (Anon Helo 2.0).

No chafing problems (although it has the soft padded sleeve covering the strap).

From a user point of view; fidlock should be on everything. I love it. Would be so much easier on my full-face MTB helmet, as i only use it at the bike park and i'm taking it on and off constantly for the uplift van.

 @delzerphat I don't follow, explain please?

 @Golden-G we tried, that helmet would be about $1500-$1750

 @siongwynn you can't head over to www.troyleedesigns.com?

 @ThunderChunk troyleedesigns.com/collections/bike-helmets-d4-carbon

 @stikmanglaspell: thank you

 @fullendurbro troyleedesigns.com/collections/bike-helmets-d4-carbon

 Yeah where's the usb port?

 Lit or light up

 @og03 not in 2020.