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Video: Welcome to the 2023 Enduro Bike Field Test

Oct 16, 2023
by Mike Kazimer  


Out of all the Field Tests we've done over the years, this crop of bikes has to be one of the most interesting. We were able to bring in eight enduro machines that fly in the face of the notion that all modern mountain bikes look and ride the same.

Rear travel amounts ranged from 158mm to 180mm, and carbon, aluminum, and steel frames were all represented. The enduro category is a broad one, and this test illustrates just how many ways there are to design bikes that can descend just about anything, and still pedal reasonably well. How much effort that pedaling takes does vary, and we made sure to take all the bikes on some techy climbs to see how they fared away from the convenience of a chair lift.

The exact definition of an enduro bike in 2023 is a tough thing to pin down, but we put together the below video to help explain what we're looking for when testing bikes in this category.




The Bikes
The aluminum Nicolai Nucleon has looks that garnered all sorts of questions from other riders, thanks to its high pivot suspension layout and unique Lal drivetrain. All those pulley wheels make it look like it was designed by Rube Goldberg, and it certainly stands out from the crowd. Well, most crowds – we also managed to get in a Unno Burn and Pole Onni, two more bikes with looks that set them apart.

The Ibis HD6 ended up being referred to as 'the palate cleanser', a refreshingly easy bike to ride compared to some of the others with, umm, 'different' ride characteristics. The Nukeproof Giga falls into a similar category, with plenty of travel but nicely neutral handling.

The last time we rode the aluminum Commencal Meta SX it had a link-driven single pivot suspension layout, but this time it's back with a new dual link design and revised geometry. The Trek Slash also made another appearance, returning with a new high pivot frame design, more travel, and mixed wheels.

And don't forget about the Chromag Lowdown – it may look simple, but that steel and aluminum machine left an impression on all the testers.


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Ibis HD6
• Travel: 165mm rear travel, 180mm fork
• Carbon frame
• Mixed wheels
• 64° head-tube angle
• 76.5° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 480mm (L)
• Chainstay length: 435mm
• Weight: 33.4 lb / 15.1 kg
• MSRP: $11,199 USD
• More info: ibiscycles.com

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Nukeproof Giga 297
• Travel: 180mm
• Carbon frame
• Mixed wheels
• 63.5° head angle
• 78° seat angle
• 435mm chainstays
• Reach: 475mm (L)
• Weight: 34.6 lb / 15.7 kg
• Price: $6,999 USD
• More info: nukeproof.com

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Trek Slash
• Travel: 170mm
• Carbon frame
• Mixed wheels (29" compatible)
• 63.3° head-tube angle
• 77° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 488mm (lrg) / 468 (M/L)
• Chainstay length: 434mm
• Weight: 36.1 lb / 16.4 kg
• $9,400 USD
• More info: trekbikes.com

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Chromag Lowdown
• Travel: 158mm / 170mm fork
• Steel front triangle, aluminum rear
• 29" wheels
• 63.5° head angle
• 79° seat angle
• Reach: 490mm (M/L)
• Chainstay: 440mm
• Weight: 37.9 lb / 17.2 kg
• Price: $6,000 USD
• More info: chromagbikes.com

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Pole Onni
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• Aluminum frame
• Mixed or 29" wheels
• 63.5° head-tube angle
• 79° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 467mm (K2)
• Chainstay length: 448mm
• Weight: 36.5 lb / 16.5 kg
• $6,952 USD
• More info: polebicycles.com

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Commencal Meta SX
• Travel: 165mm rear, 170mm front
• Aluminum frame
• Mixed wheels
• 64° head-tube angle
• 77.5° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 480mm (L)
• Chainstay length: 447mm
• Weight: 36.7 lb / 16.7 kg
• $6,900 USD
• More info: commencal.com

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Nicolai Nucleon 16 Supre
• Travel: 165mm rear, 170mm front
• Aluminum frame
• Mixed wheels
• 64.6° head-tube angle
• 78.8° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 492mm (M)
• Chainstay length: 441mm
• Weight: 39.8 lb / 18 kg
• $3,500 USD (frame only) / $11,146 USD as shown
• More info: shop.lalbikes.com

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Unno Burn
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• Carbon frame
• Mixed wheels
• 64° head-tube angle
• 76.5° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 470mm (S2)
• Chainstay length: 445mm
• Weight: 33.4 lb / 15.1 kg
• $8,897 USD
• More info: unno.com

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Testing took place in Whistler, BC, where we took advantage of perfect fall conditions to rack up lap after lap in the Creekside zone, and on the endless pedal-accessed trails away from the lifts. Control tires were provided by Maxxis, and all the bikes were set up with an Assegai front and DHR II rear tire with Double Down casings.

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Who Tested the Bikes?

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Mountain biking is serious business.

Dario DiGiulio
Dario DiGiulio
Height: 6'3" / 191cm
Weight: 180 lbs / 81.8 kg
Notes: Tech editor, the king of customization.

2022 Trail Bike Field Test photo by Satchel Cronk.
Mike Kazimer
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Notes: Managing tech editor, serial cereal eater

2022 Trail Bike Field Test photo by Satchel Cronk.
Matt Beer
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 170 lb / 77 kg
Notes: Tech editor, fast... and late

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Henry Quinney
Height: 6' / 183 cm
Weight: 172lb / 78 kg
Notes: Tech editor, full-time Branston pickle enthusiast



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Stay tuned for all the review videos and articles, the infamous Huck to Flat, and some super-scientific speed tests.





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474 Comments
  • 301 1
 woah, what a selection of bikes! Thank you guys for sourcing all those unique machines. That can‘t have been too easy!
I kind of lost interest in field tests a bit (also because I‘m trying to internalise the „my bike is all the bike I need“-mindset a bit more), but I think those bikes will have me watching every review Smile
  • 33 0
 Completely agree on the selection, this’ll be interesting!
  • 32 15
 Wow ! So some sick looking exotics costs less than chain dropping, hype-hyping Trek?
  • 47 6
 That Pole bike is rapidly morphing into a pogo stick...a couple of more years and it will be upright and lose the front wheel entirely
  • 84 4
 Would have loved to have seen the Atherton 170 in the line up too
  • 22 0
 Totally stoked to see LAL Bike's rig on test! It's not just a bike - it's a derailleur getting tested as well
  • 2 0
 Genuinely excited about this test line up! Thanks
  • 8 0
 @rich-2000: Something I've thought about reviewing Athertons, is they're all made custom to the buyer, right? So do they make generic "Medium/Large" bikes for media, or do outlets need to borrow one from a customer whos purchased one to review it?
  • 9 2
 Stoked to see the Chromag and Commencal on test…
  • 5 0
 @PeakHopper: they have stock size frames available, custom sizing is just an option. The Atherton AM.200 that Matt Beer tested was a stock size.
  • 1 0
 Quite an eclectic selection, but I agree. Should make for an interesting field test at the very least.
  • 2 1
 @PeakHopper: They've moved away from fully custom and just have something ridiculous like 27 sizes
  • 6 1
 @gearbo-x: just put Lewis Buchanan review for the trek
  • 2 0
 @deepcovedave: and looses 3 bottle mounts. Was the reach numbers all about hydration?
  • 4 0
 @Wesmacaulay: there are decades where nothing happens, there are weeks where decades happen. You are witnessing history.
  • 1 0
 @PeakHopper: No they aren’t. They have about 20 sizes (thanks to the manufacturing process). If you throw in a few 100 quid extra, you can get made-to-measure.
  • 2 0
 @gearbo-x: i’m gonna be honest, i love lewis but i think i’m going to wait for more reviews with the same conclusion to be sold. One person with a bad experience on something not technically related to the frame (i get that it is, but doesn’t affect rude quality is what i mean) isn’t enough to completely scratch a bike off the list for me.
  • 1 0
 @deepcovedave: that’s a unicycle silly!
  • 132 3
 Ok let's hear about all the dropped chains on the new slash..it's all you hear about on the interweb.
  • 15 1
 Was just thinking the same thing. Saw Lewis Buchanan's gripe about it the other day. Funny thing is i own two high pivots that at one point or another had no guides, and never dropped a chain.
  • 25 10
 @ATXZJ: he’s got a new bike every other episode. He’s one of those it’s not me it’s the bike types. Typical racer Wink .
  • 12 0
 @thenotoriousmic: well, maybe he might just openly call out those overpriced brands inferior engineering.
at least he seems to not crack our german chainstays Big Grin
  • 1 3
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: just clicked his YouTube to check I wasn’t talking shit and he’s at Dyfi… breaking in a new bike.
  • 23 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Uhh except that's the whole gimmick of his YouTube channel and he's not a serious racer anymore.
  • 17 2
 I’ve been on one since the release day, not one single chain issue and I know 2 other bikes locally with also zero chain issues.
I did get let down by an electrical failure of the most over hyped product of the last 6 months- Sram transmission that came factory fitted. I don’t care that you can start on it when a 2 cent battery terminal pin can leave you stranded with no shifting.
  • 8 0
 “ stand on it” fat thumbs.
  • 4 10
flag thenotoriousmic (Oct 16, 2023 at 12:14) (Below Threshold)
 @succulentsausage: well that would make sense wouldn’t it? As someone who only watches the occasional video I just know him as a racer and chopping and changing bikes is just standard racer behaviour.
  • 10 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Tbf all he does is try different bikes and give his honest opinion on them. Not sure many riders at that level would, or could, be as honest when things go wrong due to being tied to the company.
  • 3 2
 Got a slash here, been in Canfields for 15+ years and never thrown a chain...the new slash rips, a bit hefty in alloy but climbs extremely well and descends even better..no dropped chains...
  • 6 5
 Alot of it is, "my buddies grandmas nephews friends dad's sons mother knew a guy who dropped a chain" what happens is suddenly everyone dropped a chain and knows the guy...ignorance is bliss and I wonder how long till they suffocate at night cause there too stupid to breath...
  • 4 0
 @thenotoriousmic: he's doing bike reviews now dude. Like that's the whole point of the channel this year.
  • 4 2
 @succulentsausage: He's not allowed to race UCI events due to his sponsorship
  • 2 4
 @CamRivers: as someone who only watches the occasional video. I definitely didn’t get that message, it’s not something I’ve heard him talk about. Everything he says is from the point of a racer in relation to racing and he isn’t really reviewing bikes. His last thumb mail is him putting a two week old slash in the bin. Like how can you accurately review a bike you’ve barely ridden?
  • 1 0
 Same thing happened on a friends non high pivot, sticky bearings on the body was the cause in his case. Lewis changed wheels so bearings sounds like a probable cause.
  • 2 2
 @thenotoriousmic: His job is to produce videos if the bike (your tools) are preventing that, then bin them and move on. Not really relevant from a consumer point of view but without finding out why that trek is dropping chains left right and center I wouldn't touch one
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: How can he ride it if it didn't work?...
  • 2 0
 @dh-andy: The obvious big question is why didn’t his work? I know genuinely first hand of 3 working perfectly. His was not a consumer build from a shop. It was an alloy frame with complete custom spec. Could something in his build be causing the problem?
  • 2 0
 @Spicy-McHaggis: I don't think so, I saw several comments on his video where people claimed the same was happening to them on stock builds. I think the pivot system in general has this issue though, not just Trek.

Couple guys I know with high pivot on other brands had the same issue and had to change chain rings and chains and jockey wheels to fix it while the bike was still new. Only difference is they're not influencers with a decent size following to show the results to. Seems like a hit or miss if you buy one, will yours have the same issue or will you be one of the luckier ones?
  • 1 0
 @dh-andy: This could be easily affected by chain line spacing so if the chainring or idler wheel aren't aligned the side load pulls the chain off
  • 1 0
 Buchanan tried a variety of ways to fix his dropping chain, but never tried a non SRAM derailleur. Shimano clearly have the better clutch’s at present.
  • 2 0
 @up-left-down-right: I’ve definitely seen a few guys saying they’re dropping chains on xt spec builds. I’ve had gx transmission and gx mechanical on mine and haven’t dropped a chain yet. The 3 main things I’m thinking, frame misalignment, spacing issues of cranks or hubs , or possibly riders who like to push a big gear. I like to spin so very rarely run right down the bottom of the cassette. Could be something to do with it. I know transmission is pretty un happy in the 10t on my bike.
  • 121 1
 When the Unno isn't even the second most expensive bike, what a time to be alive.
  • 26 4
 Unno complete bikes have, in the past, been actually quite fairly priced, when compared to brands like SC, Rocky or Yeti.
  • 7 0
 The unno has the same issue as the enduro for tall guys who want 200mm of seatpost drop. The seattube splits around the shock so you have limited seatpost insertion available even with the oneup 210. A shorter 175 AXS is 100x easier than getting the cable threaded (they have a special tool for the job). But that seatstay is a beast.
  • 21 2
 well Unno is made in China now...
  • 41 1
 Having the Nukeproof and the Ibis next to each other, with them both rocking the full kashima and pretty similar numbers, really does highlight that $4.2k price difference
  • 94 8
 @generictrailrider: HE SAID, "UNNO BIKES HAVE, IN THE PAS BEEN ACTUALLY QUITE FAIRLY PRICED, WHEN COMPARED TO BRANDS LIKE SC, ROCKY OR YETI."
  • 9 50
flag generictrailrider (Oct 16, 2023 at 9:41) (Below Threshold)
 @bigtim: dude, why are you yelling? We’re talking bikes here - not that serious.
  • 27 1
 The Nicolai is sold by the pound, so it's pretty expensive.
  • 5 0
 That's because UNNO bikes aren't manufactured in Europe anymore, but in Asia instead. That's why they are cheaper now than they used to be.
  • 10 1
 @Woody25: That ibis build has a horrible cash to value ratio. But if you look at the GX build, you get the same suspension and Code RSC brakes for under $6K. with the only thing that really should be replaced out of the box being the dropper and remote, but even those probably work fine.

To be fair, the Nukeproof has better value builds as well.
  • 7 0
 @Daray: agree. The high-spec builds from Ibis make little sense compared to their “low-mid” builds.
  • 2 0
 @s100: Those Unno bikes run with more sag than most bikes out there(35%),once you put your feet on the pedals the seat sag by a good amount.
I think it is worst on the S.Enduro the clearance issues than the Unno. That Unno Burn looks amazing,that seat tube looks weird but when you see one in real life the bike is very beautiful and turn heads around.
  • 2 0
 @homerjm: and climbs really well.
  • 1 0
 @f00bar: that's a deal breaker.
  • 2 0
 @Ttimer: True. The fact that they moved the production from Spain to overseas probably has a large effect. They made the shift around 1.5-2 years ago or so, not saying that it's a bad thing
  • 1 0
 @Fix-the-Spade it's also not even the third most expensive either!
  • 3 1
 @Muscovir: Not really. They were comparatively good value even before the move to Asia.
Mainly because they didn’t charge above msrp for the components on the complete bike, unlike other brands.
The same is true for the WR1 Arrival.
  • 1 1
 @homerjm: The amount of sag doesnt affect the distance between the pedals and the seat though, thats the issue with long seat tubes.
  • 1 0
 @jackfunk: exactly. Transition does this so well. You can flip the bike over and set it on the handlebars and rear tire because you can drop the seat down so far. On my enduro the seat keeps the rear tire 6” off the ground. Both have 210 OneUp posts. WeAreOne is low like transition as well. The Arrival is my favourite.
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: I'm eagerly awaiting some updates on the Mega and Reactor.
  • 1 1
 @f00bar: Thought the y were all in-house and only made about 200 frames a year
  • 1 0
 @jackfunk: The amount of sag dictates your body position over the bike and you need to adjust your saddle to get a perfect position or whatever you like more when your ass is on the seat. For a bike with no suspension I buy that,but for a full suspension bike no cos all the angles in the bike would be different depending off your rear sag and handlebars height (front sag) while you are in the seat.
Every cm you move back or forward the seat you need to adjust 3mm up or down your saddle too.
  • 2 0
 @briain: used to be, then they went for volume & cost and moved production to China
  • 89 2
 Maybe the ugliest, most exciting group test to date.
  • 15 5
 Yeah The pole, the Nicolai and the Unno are so ugly. But I'm still interested how they actually ride.
  • 40 8
 @OneTrustMan: some ugly things ride well…Atleast your Dad did
  • 48 0
 @Monkeyass: So nice that Norwegians learn English and use it so beautifully Fab
  • 9 0
 Chromag sending Nicolai and Pole fruit baskets for making the lowdown look normal.
  • 4 0
 Fairly rude thing to say about these test riders!
  • 1 0
 The pole looms like some early 2000’s ALlpinestars bike
  • 1 0
 A Mondraker definitely would have upped the looks game in this field.
  • 1 0
 @Monkeyass:
It seems like you speak from experience.
Was your dad's ride so ugly?
  • 62 2
 That Pole is hideous and strangely beautiful at the same time.
  • 14 2
 Same with the Nicolai
  • 6 1
 I think Poles have been uglier in the past.
  • 9 0
 @TheR: Funny, I thought some of the earlier Poles were beautiful, but this one is hideous. Different (pedal) strokes...
  • 7 3
 well it is hideous, but at least it will fall apart after a year...
  • 3 1
 @mthamster: Maybe it’s all the glare from the lighting, but I like this one.
  • 7 0
 @mthamster: yeah, i was a fan of the stamina, aesthetically. hard to wrap my head around the raised dt on this one. have to admit that the machining / detailing is beautiful though, and i'll give them credit for aggressively doing things their way; it's refreshing.
  • 7 1
 @f00bar: They only had issues with Staminas. Machines were rock solid due to bolts holding it in place. The new iteration (starting with the Voima) uses a different method where they glue non finished frame parts midway, then machine the final product after the epoxy cures to remove stresses. All the bikes are also Cat 5 certified.

Not to mention that Onni can be had as an ebike, with a dual crown, at an extremely good price of half of what some big brands dare to charge.
  • 1 1
 @norcalbike: agree to this, but i think they aren´t even meant to be visually appealing. the craft itself is the selling point of those bikes and i absolutely respect that. Hell they even give you the option to get the bikepark version with plate reinforced headtubes Big Grin
looks even worse, but i bet they are nearly indestructable.

oh and afaik RAAW buys their rear triangles from nicolai
  • 1 1
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: nope that’s a to five for their trail bike.
  • 4 0
 That's what she said
  • 5 0
 I think the Pole's always look a bit odd in photos but look way better sagged and with a rider onboard. Oh FFS you really can't say anything about them without it sounding like pure smut.
  • 3 2
 As opposed to the Unno, which is hideous all the time.
  • 1 0
 @HughBonero: user name checks out....
  • 2 1
 @mthamster: Earlier again the Evolinks were ugly. The machine and stamina were pretty. I'm just amazed POLE gave another bike to Pinkbike after last time. Because when the swingarm broke it was everyone's fault except the manufacturer
  • 1 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: Raaw= made in taiwan. I think they even get the frames fully assambled from Asia
  • 2 0
 @briain: Oh yeah, here's no way in hell I'd shell for one, but they had nice lines. I guess I'm still in the school where I want the "front triangle" to resemble a triangle, rather than a parallellogram or some other oblong rectilinear shape.
  • 51 4
 It would be neat to have one or two benchmark bikes in every field test. Something people know well and have a frame of reference for, with well established performance. Perhaps a standout from the prior year's field test. The team has been doing a great job trying to give people that sort of reference in both the write-ups and the videos, but having the benchmark be part of the test would provide a great indicator of whether the segment is truly evolving.
  • 72 0
 Yes, last year's winner should always come back for the test!
  • 6 0
 @Andykmn: An extra video at the end comparing the best bikes to the previous champ would work well. Think they did that one year?
Not that there's likely to be a "best bike for everyone" out of this lot.
  • 24 0
 They have been doing that for a couple of years now. Each year (so far) they've referenced the 2019 Specialized Enduro as a/the benchmark bike. They typically discuss this directly in the round up videos near the end of the test.
  • 9 2
 @KJP1230: unfortunately this just shows that the 2019 enduro is still the best enduro bike ever made : /
  • 13 0
 @L0rdTom: Yet Specialized's top EDR riders are running the Stumpy evo
  • 2 0
 Unfortunate reality: do that to often and OEMs will stop sending bikes for review
  • 8 0
 @L0rdTom: Grandpa Enduro still slays.
  • 2 0
 Giga won some other sites test last year or so,so there ya go for a benchmark
  • 3 1
 @Andykmn: I generally agree, but we'd still be talking about the Spesh Enduro... 4 years running. Pretty sure the Giga will claim the honors in this one though.

Edit: Sorry didn't read all the Enduro comments before posting.
  • 2 0
 Does it get anymore, "something people know well" than a Trek?
  • 1 2
 @Baller7756: 29er one maybe, chain stays are just too short on the mullet.
  • 1 0
 @colinb191: THIS! Evo with the new Vivid Air apparently the absolute shizzy.
  • 1 0
 @spicysparkes: Yeah I wish I went with the 290 instead of the 297
  • 3 0
 @spicysparkes: Get a 290 Giga frame and stick a Nukeproof 297 conversion MX link in it. Mullet geo' with 29er chainstay length.
  • 1 0
 @colinb191: that's for Sram transmission display purposes only
  • 43 3
 I was looking forward to seeing the WA1 Arrival 170 in this next test Frown
  • 2 0
 Oh yes. Nice catch.
  • 3 0
 They would just say it feel too much like a race bike after running timed laps Razz
  • 36 1
 @vzhick, the timing didn't work out for that one, but it'll get a full review later this year.
  • 3 10
flag naca5 (Oct 16, 2023 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 For dentist only, and it seems this review is for common people Smile
  • 8 0
 @naca5: Common people | $11.2k Ibis.

Pick one.
  • 3 0
 @naca5: It retails cheaper than about half of the bikes in the test (around 8K USD), and the last Arrival I saw at a local shop was below retail. Of course that was last season pre-Transmission drivetrains.
  • 3 1
 Nsmb has like 4 articles on it
  • 3 1
 @mikekazimer: You should definitely try the giga 290 with the mullet link. The 435 chainstay is too short on the 297. Is the ultimate bike.
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay: Better grab the link before it's gonzo with the Signa Sports United bankruptcy. Maybe someone will pick up the brand, but there's a good chance it will just die.
  • 34 5
 Why do these bikes cost as much as bikes with a battery and a motor?
  • 12 2
 Cost and weigh
  • 48 18
 Because they're not relying on a battery and motor to make up for lower quality materials and shitty suspension. These actually have to be well-engineered.
  • 7 0
 @Etienne-H: They cost about the same and weigh almost the same
  • 2 1
 @Etienne-H: they are expensive tanks
  • 20 24
flag onawalk (Oct 16, 2023 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 @TucsonDon: Thats the strangest reply, and not even close to accurate.
Absolute clown shoes
  • 10 1
 give me some sort of example of a newly released, similar spec e-bike in these respective price ranges. I think youre trying to compare apples to alternators at this point. You cant compare a new Trek slash, with a full top spec to an aging and on sale Norco Range VLT....
  • 13 5
 @TucsonDon: Well, my Yeti SB6 weighs 28 lb. Put some heavy duty tires on it and even then, it would be under 30 lb. I absolutely agree. All those new-gen "enduro" bikes weigh too much, at least if you plan on riding them up and down.
  • 2 1
 @cool3: Shenanigans
  • 4 4
 @cool3: There was an article on here a while ago that basically concluded weight has little to no effect on climb times as a Kg or 2 here or there has bugger all effect compared to total system weight. Tyres have the biggest effect on climbing in my experience.
  • 1 0
 Or like a bike with a motor and no battery(yz250)
  • 3 2
 @cool3: an sb160 will be heavier than your sb6 and still go up easier while going down way faster
  • 2 0
 @Davec85: Your choice of rear tire has huge impact on climbing efficiency from my experience. The grippier, the slower you're climbing.

For my skill level, I get more out of running a harder rear tire to make the climb easier. Grip is not the limiting factor for me on the descent.
  • 6 0
 @Davec85: I've been mountain biking for 30+ years and actually, weight does not matter that much on short rides, but it does on 2+ hours rides -- and yes, weight in the wheels is where it makes the biggest difference.
  • 2 0
 @nicoenduro: Agreed, but I doubt it will go up faster... Wink
  • 1 0
 Because the motor and battery only add like $300 to a bike for the manufacturer..
  • 3 0
 @cool3: yeah, nobody rides up anymore. It's just downhill both ways for this generation and their heavy bikes
  • 27 0
 Include a wheelie / bunny hop test portion . For each bike by the same rider please….
  • 5 0
 this is key to the chainstay calculation. concur.
  • 2 0
 Yes. Also, average height of testers is 6', average height of the western male population is 5'9". Of course "you lot" would agree about 440mm chainstays being about right, but for those of us looking at medium and small bikes the chainstay lengths are a MASSIVE problem.
  • 20 2
 I'm very grateful to Pinkbike for the free content. Thanks guys for feeding my N+1 obsession. I'm dealing with 3 injured discs and I'm off the mountain bike for 7 weeks after a very good summer season including the purchase of a SCOR enduro bike in June. Its hard to quantify just how much fun it is to watch this cast of misfits ride like maniacs and comment on the exciting work of dedicated bike designers and engineers. It's fun to see more than just Trek/SC/Transition.
  • 18 1
 Only one 29er. Wow
  • 34 5
 29" is dead
  • 11 3
 29 ain't dead...
  • 14 2
 Joking aside, as a taller guy, who appreciates the ability to roll over roots and hold speed, I'm not super keen to go back to smaller wheels
  • 12 4
 @mountainsofsussex: I'm a "tall guy"...6'4...yet I avoid 29. I prefer "smaller" wheels so I can pop over roots, throw the bike around The idea that height has any bearing on wheel size I've always found kind of silly...it's more about how you like the bike to feel. Id love to get a 26 bike with geo of my main bike(maybe I could just try some 26 wheels in it!)
  • 3 4
 @GlassGuy: Get a lighter and shorter bike then. I have the 2019 Orbea Oiz and it's perfect for this use. You can't ride it like an enduro bike so it forces you to be creative with your lines.
  • 6 1
 @GlassGuy: Also 6'4, love 29" wheels and wouldn't want to go back to something smaller. No issues with popping over things and throwing the bike around. Still find it super playful.
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 @TheJD: My preferred bike is the '15-'17 Transition Scout frame...size Large(not XL). I've always loved smaller frames, but still don't believe a larger wheel is beneficial. I've done times against different bikes on the same trail, different wheel sizes, different purpose, and my old Scout kept with them all, plus I had more fun Smile
  • 2 0
 @jsnfschr: Different people, different fun Smile
  • 3 0
 @f00bar: Long live 29!
  • 2 1
 @TheJD: yup, I got a second hand Izzo Blaze, and (after a little fettling) it's much more poppy, agile and "fun" than the big bike, despite both being 29ers
  • 12 0
 Wow, quite the selection of frames! Really keen to hear how Nucleon stacks up with its radical Supre drive setup.

These high spec models fetch a pretty penny…
  • 23 10
 That Unno is one seriously ugly bike.
  • 17 8
 Pole is just as Fugly
  • 4 1
 I gotta agree and they usually make a pretty nice looking bike.
  • 9 2
 To each his own! I think the Unno is lovely in a weird industrial way. i am pretty funny looking myself though. Trek makes great products but to me, the Slash looks like the front and rear were designed by different companies 20 years apart.
  • 19 0
 It's like a bike designed for GQ readers.
  • 7 1
 @HciNGPDo: I think trek must have hired a BMW designer in the last few years. They have been releasing done seriously ugly bikes recently. However, in this company the slash almost looks normal.
  • 5 5
 @HciNGPDo: Those Unno bikes are beautiful IMO,even nicer when you see one on the trails, quite unique looking bikes.
To me any mullet bike looks a little funky with the small rear wheel,hard to many bikes to look great just for being mullet.
That Pole bike is the bike many people would said is ugly,but I think it is very different hehehe.
Totally agree on the Trek bike,from the main stream bike brands it is on the top of funny looking bikes.
  • 2 2
 Naaaah man I think it looks unreal!
  • 3 0
 Yeah I kind of agree - reminds me of a Lamborghini where they add just a few too many scoops, flares and vents. Its too bad as the original Unno frames were true works of art. From what I understand they are now made in Asia which kind of subverts the whole company gestalt they started with anyway.
  • 3 1
 @preston67: Maybe I´m quite used to the look of the Unno frame,I ride quite often with an Unno team rider with the racing colors,silver metallic&black I think and that bike is very beautiful.
And the mullet thing I think is about symmetry,it made my brain do not liking too much my Demo in the mullet setup but it rides quite nice. It just the way it looks compared to equal size wheeled bikes.
To me bikes are like dogs,rare to see one I do not like hehehe. Trek bikes are quite particular,I do not like them too much,but if someone gift me one I would happily ride it 100%,like any bike on this test.
  • 7 2
 Everyone makes “Looks like a session” jokes, but someone tries something different and it’s immediately condemned.
  • 5 0
 @sfarnum: If you build a bike with a sailboat mast I think it's worthy of condemnation.
  • 3 0
 That Unno reminds me of those Mountain Scooters that they rent in Verbier. verbier4vallees.ch/en/online-shop/activities/scooter-verbier_activity_378351
  • 3 0
 @bikedrd: Haha, just been to Verbier and I see what you mean. Never seen anyone using them.
  • 6 0
 @drbino: Nah, Trek hired the designer of the Pontiac Aztec
  • 2 0
 It’s definitely head turning. I just don’t get how they think 125mm drop on a medium is acceptable. Time for dual telescopic droppers
  • 13 2
 I would appreciate adding the inseam and armspan numbers to the description of the test riders.
  • 9 0
 to the taint or the bottom of the sack?
  • 2 0
 @psycln: some say Matt Beer has a negative sack index (balls are so big they hang below his feet)
  • 11 0
 such a rad selection of bikes. should be a fun week of nerdery.
  • 10 1
 Interesting selection of bikes indeed. Stoked for this one even though I don't ever really need that much travel.
  • 6 0
 It's crazy how enduro bikes have just been getting closer and closer to downhill bike geometry and travel with steep seat tubes. With the 190mm Zebs we saw at Rampage the lines are really blurred.
  • 19 1
 and then we look at enduro bikes of the actual racers, shorter & less aggressive setups.. sometimes not even the brands "enduro bike" lol.
i believe we arnt really looking at enduro bikes but more pedalable park bikes.
  • 11 1
 @HeatedRotor: it's an interesting question you're posing - my take is that the pros are insanely talented, physically strong and have a lot of bike time. Unlike those of us typing instead of riding. For them, manoeuvrability, being able to pick and change lines quickly is the way to go fast. For me, I reckon I go faster on a bike that's a bit slower handling, but gives me the confidence that the bike's got my back, isn't going to get thrown off line or buck me over the bars
  • 3 1
 Yep it’s got to the point where you need the trails and the bike park access to justify owning one. There isn’t really anywhere outside a bike park or DH venue in the UK where you wouldn’t be over biked on the latest crop of enduro bikes.
  • 5 1
 Call it what you like,those are park bikes. Even in the enduro world cup the pros are favouring shorter travel,more agile bikes. Case in point, Specialized racers used the Stumjumper Evo and got their best results.
  • 3 0
 @mountainsofsussex: I agree with your take.

I want to prioritize my bike for high consequence situations (high speed/rough terrain) over lower consequence situations (slower tight turns). My skillset is the limiting factor, not the bike.
  • 1 0
 @nozes: Yeah, I chose to go with the stumpy evo because I like to pedal up stuff, the trails near me are pretty steep. This would have been an aggressive enduro bike 4 years ago. I found the slackest head tube angle setting affected climbing performance too much to use for anything other than park. We may be at a point where HAs slacker than 64 degrees have serious drawbacks when it comes to technical climbing. I do agree with people that enduro racers have such a high degree of skill that they would often choose agility over stability that might save a less skilled rider if they get in over their head.
  • 3 0
 @haen: See this is the thing for me... I used to own a Trek Fuel EX9.8, 150mm on the front, 130mm rear, full carbon... My lad races DH and we were planning more BPW, Dyfi, etc type days so i swapped to a RM Slayer with 170mm both ends and coil...
What i found was, that despite me having more travel, my balls haven't grown and i've ended up not really taking advantage of the Slayers benefits/attributes. So i mostly just ended up with a bouncier burlier bike that i was still rubbish on.
After 12 months i've just swapped back to a Fuel 9.8 and it's awesome how much 'better' it is for 99% of my riding.. I didn't/don't think for a second that the Slayer was 'holding me back' but i was unable to take advantage of it's skillsets. The Fuel, i can take more advantage of more aspects of it as a bike.
  • 1 0
 @weeksy59: I kind of found the same thing, in that my Mega is too much bike for my local trails, only coming alive when the trails are dry enough to go warp factor. So, I've gone for the n+1 solution of a second hand Izzo Blaze, which, just like you've found is soo much better for the local trails. However, it had me over the bars first time out in steeper stuff, and there's no way I'd want to race proper enduro on it, as I'd either hurt myself or have to back off to make it to the end of the day
  • 1 0
 @mountainsofsussex: I can't race proper Enduros on ANYTHING... and even the ones i do race, i can't race as well as 90% of the field. I'm usually found propping up the back end of the 50+ Cat. Southern Enduro is about my limit in terms of Enduro.. and some places, not even those (Newnham, i'm talking to you)
I'm betting in a few weeks you'll be flying on the Izzo and getting times better than on the Enduro.
  • 1 0
 @mountainsofsussex: Completely agree. Just trying to decide what to have as a smaller bike for general Uk riding
  • 1 0
 @chrismac70: HArd to beat the 5010 on offer at the moment with Stif.
  • 24 14
 Bring back levy
  • 6 5
 Seriously though, has he left Pinkbike?
  • 13 1
 @Paco77: Asked and answered 1000x already. But here’s one more just for you: he’s on sabbatical.
  • 6 0
 Sabbatical. Although, I think if Levy wanted to leave and have his own MTB editorial site he'd have tons of readers and probably make more $$$.
  • 1 0
 @Aleven: mike and mike bike.com
  • 2 4
 You guys btch about everything
  • 7 0
 I was hoping to see the Druid V2 in this mix to see how it compares to long travel rigs but can't complain with the selection of bikes this year!
  • 20 0
 We tried, but it wasn't available yet - we should have one on the way for a full review over the winter.
  • 2 0
 Agreed! Interested to see how the kinematics of the coming Dreadnaught V2 look next year - Druid V2 could've been a nice read-ahead.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: sounds good, looking forward to reading about it then. I appreciate the response!
  • 4 1
 Druid (even the V2) is not classed as an Enduro bike. Sure, some professionals ride it as one, but that isnt is purpose. A Dreadnought would be the one to test in this field.
  • 6 0
 Wild that in the most eclectic and varied field test so far people are still whining and moaning about X bike not being included. Like do you really need another yeti review? Really REALLY need it?
  • 3 0
 how else will we know how much better is the 0.5° slacker head tube angle and 0.5° steeper seat tube angle?!
  • 9 1
 Nukeproof is the only bike where price/weight ratio isn't a complete joke, so it wins by default.
  • 8 1
 This is not helpful when you think you have it narrowed down to a Transition patrol or Norco sight. Any suggestions welcome
  • 13 0
 Those will be in the trailduro feild test
  • 8 0
 Take the patrol
  • 4 0
 pfff, I'm thinking full 29 is not for me, but also seing how every bike is becoming basically the '18 Sentinel with cascade link I'm riding now, so I'm gonna slap a 27,5 real wheel and a steeper headset and call it a day
  • 2 0
 Suggestions? These bikes all wish they were as dialed as a Patrol, that's your bike
  • 10 5
 That new Slash is seriously overweight. Basically the same weight as the steel framed chromag with a carbon frame! The Unno, Nukeproof, and Ibis all have appropriate weights for the materials and price. Get it together Trek.
  • 10 2
 It's weight is about middle of the pack, and it is fully 1.8 lbs lighter than the Chromag. It's also a high pivot design with dual idlers and dual fenders. Carbon doesn't always mean lighter - often you can bring in frames with similar weights but more strength and specific flex/ride characteristics engineered into the frame itself.

That said, the Ibis is impressively light for the capabilities for an enduro rig.
  • 3 1
 Despite the weight, it rides very good - when our chain stays on Frown
  • 1 4
 @KJP1230: my mistake, I must have misread the chromag weight when I commented. I will still stand by it being too heavy for the material, even with the extra pullies and extra fender.
  • 8 0
 Nukeproof value at its finest
  • 5 0
 Right? I'm an Ibis owner and fan, but looking at the two similarly spec'd bike next to each other and $4k price difference...wtf?
  • 4 1
 @ReformedRoadie:

But they’re really not similarly spec’ed.

The frame material and suspension ( fork and shock)are similar and nothing else: AXS Xx versus xo/ GX, carbon vs Alu wheels, house brand aluminum handlebars and stems vs carbon, hayes brakes versus codes, etc…
  • 4 1
 the frames crack for fun though unfortunately. me and a few friends have first hand experience of this Frown shame because they ride so good.
  • 2 1
 Best looking frame in test
  • 1 0
 Just when the US Nukeproof/Vitus distributor is going pop. EEEE!!!
  • 1 0
 @Saidrick: Hayes are definitely an upgrade over Code RSCs from using both. May not be in price, but definitely in performance.
  • 1 0
 @MartyMcfly2810: I've been abusing a Mega for a season in BC and its holding up fine so far. How was the warranty experience with you and your friends ?
  • 2 0
 @dgwww: sort them out fairly quickly, few weeks, think the longest wait of us all was 3 months though, just as theyd released the new giga colours
  • 4 0
 Great job on the teaser video! Previous ones were good, but this is an improvement I didn't know I wanted. Nice bike selection too. Not interested in buying any of them and probably will never get a chance to try most of them cause they are mostly unique. It'll make for an interesting comparison and a chance to hear how these rare features work
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer That’s a great collection of interesting bikes. In the past I feel like reviews have not addressed the uphill qualities of these bikes well. I think it could be divided into pedalling (efficiency) and climbing (position, traction). Take something like the Range, which often had mediocre uphill reviews that often led to comments like “great for spinning up a logging road”. I would disagree with this type of review because it’s too simple and doesn’t show that the range has unreal traction, will never wheelie on a steep climb, and is actually great in tech climbing. But you get it on a logging road and you are left feeling the weight, bob, and potential idler drag.
  • 1 0
 This is an interesting take. Personally I'm MUCH more interested in the "plodding up a fire road" climbing performance of an enduro bike, as that's what I'll mostly be doing. But do you find tech climbing more important?
  • 3 0
 @chakaping: both. It’s a mountain bike and I want it to do it all. But it depends on where you live. I have a single track trail or road that I can take 4000’ up Mt 7 right across the street. Or I can just as easily pedal the XC zone that has some fun tech climbs and shorter descents. Some areas in BC don’t have climb trails, just roads, and others, the opposite.

I like to think of it in terms of cars. Speed and efficiency aren’t everything when climbing. A small car is efficient in going up hills fast and is easily negotiable in tight spots but a lifted jeep could climb anything in any conditions but just slower. But bikes are more nuanced.
  • 10 3
 I’ll take 2024 KTM 500 Exc-f for 12,900, Alex
  • 1 0
 You could buy a used Honda or Yamaha, and a new hardtail MTB and still have $5000 left with these test bike prices.
  • 6 0
 Me who’s scared of drops over 2 ft, super excited to read reviews of bikes I have no business on
  • 3 0
 It’s nice you talk about the essentials like
- REALLY getting the saddle out of the way,
- a balanced head angle (64° for me), reach (I like it short) and stack (high is playful for me),
- yes - I’d like an adjustable chain stay,
- room for a full-size water bottle,
- in-frame storage and tool carrying features,
- a very quiet bike,
- serviceable pivots,
- accessible hardware such as shock settings and fitting,
- less proprietary components to fuss with,
- feel in terms of balance between soft and stiff,


It’ll be interesting to hear how you appreciate rear shock
- suppleness off the top,
- mid-stroke support,
- a balanced bottom-out resistance,
- linearity vs progression,
- anti-squat,
- anti-rise,
and
- how this relates to being able to match to the fork.

I’m really keen to hear you comments on what contributes to these things, being the linkage, the shock, or the combination of these (and maybe other components).

What my current bike lacks are these things.
- I can’t get the saddle out of the way to get a 240 dropper in or a 210 or 180 if I pass it over to someone shorter than me.
- I don’t have in-frame storage.
- I have two extra bolts on the bottom of my top-tube but have yet to find a convenient tool carrying kit, and my bike has no special tool carrying features.
- I have short chain stays that are nice for my home trails but I wouldn’t mind playing around with longer if I’d have had adjustable chain stays.
- The 600 ml water bottle pops out if filled up in rowdy terrain and I guess I just have to put some strap on to keep it in place, or get a different cage but this feels like I don’t have time to bother with.
  • 6 2
 i can not afford any of these high end bikes....sad it has come to this point in mountain biking I need $10,000.00CDN to purchase a 33 plus beast.
  • 3 0
 I feel like this test will be pretty epic. That said, would love to know where the top bikes in this field test compared to already existing standard bearers out there such as the Spire, SB160 & the Claymore.
  • 2 0
 Even though the complete bikes they offer are spec’d for more of the budget side of things I would have loved to see the Devinci Chainsaw on their test list. I’m thinking about building one next spring and would have loved to see their evaluation on it! Anyone else share similar thoughts?
  • 2 0
 Me. The moment i saw Pinkbike’s facebook post for this field test, i was like “wow, the first comparison for the Chainsaw!”, then saw it’s missing and was kinda disappointed. The Chainsaw’s cheap (compared to these bikes here) cause of the build. Even if it gets some way fancier parts, it won’t get to the prices of some of these bikes… but will surely piss all over them performance-wise! Wink
  • 3 1
 Commencal needs a slap for making a sick bike that requires a Fidlock drink bottle, and still only fits the brands “kids bottle”. Size L you need a ohlins or non piggy back shock if you enjoy hydration. Love my bike but pretty disappointed as never even considered that there’d be (far) less clearance than the 21TR meta. $100 and I can carry 450mls of water. Aka two sips
  • 1 0
 Does mounting the Fidlock (mount and bottle) upside-down help your clearance?

Doing so on my Meta SX V4 allows me to use the 600mL Fidlock.
  • 2 0
 @highland-hippie: in order to attach it at all I had to invert it ! They have updated their website now to say “not suitable for 590 & 750ml Fidlock” but maybe the dhx2 and the ohlins fit them, but I run a S.D.Ulti coil
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer please tell me about your drink bottle attachment on that commencal (I just zoomed!)
  • 2 0
 You might want to look into the YT's Thirstmaster 5000 fidlock bottle.
  • 2 0
 @haen: thank you
  • 7 1
 IMO there's no point in selecting bikes that 1 out of 10k riders will buy.
  • 2 0
 Wow. What an amazing group of bikes! I would be happy with any of them. I do wish that the Specialized Enduro was in this mix though. It would be great to see that bike tested alongside this current crop of monsters, not just a footnote at the end of the test.
  • 4 0
 While I can't tell which bikes will excel the test, I can tell for sure which are the ugly ones...
  • 2 0
 Great to see some of these smaller brands being tested. Want to see what the testers have to say on the more "boutique" bikes (unno/pole/nicolai) vs the more mainstream ones (trek/ibis/nukeproof).
  • 11 6
 did the pole crack on the huck to flat?
  • 6 1
 nah, the glue dissolved in heavy rain
  • 7 0
 Im so hoping for another guest appearance by Leo. Last time was incredible.
  • 1 1
 Good thing no one’s ever cracked a YT frame before. www.google.com/search?q=yt+frame+crack
  • 4 0
 That Nicolai is very steampunk. Extra points if you have a wind-up Garmin on a chain.
  • 38 37
 Hey PinkBike. Where are the lady testers? There are lots of women who shred in the Sea to Sky? We are physically built differently than men, so maybe we want something different in the bikes that we ride? It's past time to add a woman to your team of testers for enduro bikes. Please and thank you.
  • 20 5
 What women-specific differences would you like to see in bicycles that the team of male reviewers isn’t able to acknowledge?
  • 18 30
flag rookie100 (Oct 16, 2023 at 11:45) (Below Threshold)
 @fewnofrwgijn: pretty colours?
  • 47 7
 @fewnofrwgijn: Women tend to have longer legs and shorter arms than men, so reach matters. Generally speaking, we are not as strong in our upper bodies as compared to men, so we need to ride bikes more with our legs, so how the front of the bike feels matters and where the geometry puts your body also matters. Not to mention, we typically don't weigh as much as men, so that super stiff enduro rig with all carbon everything, might feel pretty harsh when you're 140lbs vs 180lbs. That's just off the top of my head, but no doubt there's a lot more to consider. Thanks for asking.
  • 13 6
 The bikes are all size Larges ma'am so that has to correlate with the size of the testers. And Alicia got injured. And then since they are all approximately the same size, I don't think the results of the review would be much different.
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 @SunsPSD: I beg to differ. I know several women in the Sea to Sky who are tall and could ride a large bike and who shred. You comment speaks to your ignorance and the fact that you have likely never thought about what works better for women than men. Just like I can't know what it's like to ride in a man's body, you can't know what it's like to ride in a woman's body. We are different and representation matters.
  • 17 11
 @rookie100: Your reply is lame. Be thoughtful with your comments. Women are a large percentage of the people who ride bikes and they deserve bikes that meet their needs regardless of colours.
  • 35 1
 @squamishgirl11, for various reasons (injuries and time off) we didn't have any female testers in this round. If you look at our past Field Tests, we do try to include a female tester whenever possible. Hopefully you still find this round of tests entertaining and informational.
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flag fewnofrwgijn (Oct 16, 2023 at 11:59) (Below Threshold)
 @squamishgirl11: what bike currently exists with womens-specific geometry that you’re satisfied with? It’s just an odd take that you’re saying that all non-womens-specific bikes are inferior to womens-specific bikes, of which there are… few, maybe none depending on your definition of what makes it womens-specific
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flag fewnofrwgijn (Oct 16, 2023 at 12:00) (Below Threshold)
 @squamishgirl11: if they ride a large and then shred on it, what are they missing out on by riding “male” bikes? Sounds like those ladies you know have their bikes dialed already (and I’d be willing to bet they aren’t all Livs)
  • 30 3
 @fewnofrwgijn: I think you're missing my point. I'm not advocating for women's specific bikes. I want to know a woman's take on the bikes that are being tested. Isn't that the point? Otherwise, why have different guys try all of the bikes and not just one? We all want an informed take on the bikes that are interesting to us hopefully before we thrown down our $$$ to buy. As a female, I would like the perspective of another woman and how she found each of these bikes.
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flag laBoeuf (Oct 16, 2023 at 12:25) (Below Threshold)
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  • 1 0
 Alicia is injured, I guess it takes time to bring on/back another female rider/tester?
  • 5 0
 @amaranth: Sarah Moore out on leave too.
  • 7 0
 @squamishgirl11: lots of very good points but the “women tend to have longer legs and shorter arms than men” one is completely untrue (although past marketing from some very big brands did make that claim!)

I think the points about women generally being lighter riders with less upper body strength are particularly important when it comes to how a bike feels to the tester, in terms of compliance, balance and suspension behaviour.
  • 4 0
 @rookie100: people downvoting you but my wife usually likes the women specific bikes for the pretty colours.
  • 5 2
 Imagine how all these chuds would be whining about one enduro bike test with all the testers women.
  • 1 2
 @rookie100: excellent!
  • 1 2
 @sfarnum: levy too
  • 3 1
 @squamishgirl11: Of course, there are tall women, but the only female presenter that they currently have available is Christina Chappetta who is not tall. So while a valid point is that females requirements for a bike are different. The simple reality is if Alicia isn't available they would need to bring all the frames in different sizes, which as an aside changes the frame kinematics to muddy the waters further
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer did you choose the Onni over the Vikkelä or was the latter not available? Space for a water bottle is a must to me when it comes to enduros. Any bike, basically.
  • 2 1
 This comment section really brings to light why so many bikes over the years “look like a session”. Any bike that doesn’t follow the classic form ends up being called ugly. Chalk it up to human nature and not wanting to stand out from the crowd? Personally, I’m stoked to see see with a wide range of designs, and all of these look fantastic IMO.
  • 3 0
 I would understand that a bike designed by engineers would only follow function and not looks but how is the Pole that ugly while designed by an industrial designer?
  • 6 5
 A lot of these big bikes still rocking short chainstays. IMO longer chainstays and more proportional front and rear center is the way to go, give me 450s please. Longer chainstays keep the bike more stable downhill and reduce front wheel lift while climbing. I will be interested to hear if reviewers agree.
  • 6 0
 'Im in the other camp bro. Like my chainstays on the shorter side. Aside from the climbs, seems like all i'm trying to do all ride is keep my front wheel airborne. Different strokes I guess.
  • 1 0
 Well at least with the beanpoles some of the tester are within 1 bike weight and a good crap from my riding weight. No disrespect to the Mikes and ladies of PB but bikes don't behave quite the same with a bear on them...must make the logistics of you all fitting on the same bike harder as well. Looking forward to the reviews even if I am not an Enduro bro, plus didn't Disney kill Enduro?
  • 1 0
 These guys all need to eat more pies and drink more beer, weight to height ratio is not real world, apart from maybe MB heading in the right direction. I mean who is 6’3” and only weights 81kg !
All jokes of course, looking forward to the reviews.
  • 1 0
 As they are all on the same tyres,maybe next year just get the frames on test only.,Then they can all use the same wheels,group sets & suspension,a real test of builds & removal of most of the variables.All builds by Pinkbike team.....may take all year or two.
  • 3 0
 Very nice bikes. But the prices are nuts for most people. That Ibis is my yearly income I just got a Cube One77 Race for 2700€ and that was quite a stretch already.
  • 1 0
 Most interesting test group ever, thank you! It's unfortunate that the former Mike & Mike combo was very genuine and conversational together but since ML's departure everyone seems a bit stiff and rehearsedFrown I suppose with the Outside buy-out it was inevitable that content would start to feel more like commercial placements but sad to see. Trailforks is monetized, Outside content is monetized... why doesn't that $ pay for impartial mtb'ers talking about what they know instead of learning their talking points?!
  • 4 0
 nice! really pumped to see this line up. Good work PB!
  • 2 0
 I’m entertained, think you guys have a good lineups of bikes here and am looking forward to the test. But why does this promo remind me of an old 90s video dating service?
  • 4 1
 Definition of current bike model irony - a bunch of porkers that are meant to be pedal bikes, tested in the bike park.
  • 5 4
 You must have missed the EdBull Media episode where he weighed the professional enduro race bikes. Most of them were around the 40lb mark. Weight doesn't matter if you are actually riding enduro (gravel road climb, fast downhill)
  • 3 0
 be interesting to see which of these bikes I have absolutely no interest in comes out top.
  • 2 0
 I‘m looking sooo forward to this!
The lowdown is definitely on my shortlist. And I can’t help, and I seem to be the only one, but I LOVE the look of the Unno!
  • 2 1
 Love em or hate em Ibis is brilliant. They always put they’re absolute top tier bike in these shootouts, which we all know will make it ride better and get a better review (even if reviewers just put a little asterisk)
  • 4 0
 What abt the sb160 again and the new forbidden
  • 2 1
 Within this very comment section you can hit ctrl+F (or cmd+F), type “yeti” in the little box that appears, and find out why
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: very useful..what if on mobile?
  • 1 0
 @lperezco: on iOS, you can highlight a word and the context menu will allow you to search for it
  • 2 0
 The product shots in these articles are fantastic! maybe if they were compiled into a poster, it might find its way onto my wall...
  • 3 0
 Kind of bummed the frameworks' trail bike is not tested, given a 16nyewr old rode it to beat Richie Rude for the US sleeve.
  • 4 0
 That’s all the review you need
  • 2 0
 How's the Nicolai come out at $11462 if the frame is $3500 it already includes the drivetrain so with Rockshox forks. Does it have gold-plated wheels?
  • 2 0
 Bare frame is 3500$. This means without the drivetrain. Think the drivetrain is another 2000$, if memory serves right. Kinda strange to put up a price for bare frame when it can’t use anything else than the Supre Drive and you gotta pay for it, too, in any possible case…
  • 3 0
 It's a custom build and that price assumes everything at full MSRP, which is always going produce a total price that's higher than the price of off-the-shelf complete bikes. Here's the price breakdown that I gave to the Pinkbike folks: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Fq9C-4mhzk5HiZI1__qUUjZ4odF6gVE7Um9hK1YoWA/edit?usp=sharing
  • 2 0
 @cedric-eveleigh: fair enough. There probably should be clarity that the frame doesn't include shock and proprietary drive train for the price displayed. Also it really is a very very high end build
  • 1 0
 My brain eagerly awaits the endorphin hit this is sure to produce while my wallet cowers in justified fear.
I wonder just how many bikes have been sold on impulse and a PB review….
  • 4 2
 Some pretty interesting bikes in there! But didn’t you guys already test the new Slash?
  • 4 0
 I like that it starts with Ibis, Nukeproof, Trek, and then BOOM, the weird, wacky, ugly, beautiful, interesting bikes hit you one after another
  • 6 0
 They did a “First Ride” article, not a full review.
  • 1 0
 This is exciting - great selection of bikes for the test. They really span the gamut of what is on offer for modern enduro bikes.
  • 4 2
 I know Pole is...polarizing as a company, but my Evolink was a great bike. I kinda wish I never sold it
  • 2 0
 Good to see a vanilla benchmark with the Trek though I wonder what the Pole is doing here....
  • 3 1
 It would have ben fun to throw a value enduro bike in the mix such as an aluminum Canyon Spectral, just to shake things up.
  • 4 1
 At those prices & weights,I'll buy another e-mtb....
  • 2 1
 I love Ibis bikes, and they ride well, but how do they end up the most expensive bike in this test, especially vs some true exotics? 11k! Damn!
  • 2 0
 It’s worth noting that the Chromag makes a mixed wheels link for the Lowdown, been running mine as a mullet!
  • 2 0
 You should have saved $40 on one of the bikes and bought a proper board game. Monopoly is utter shite!
  • 2 0
 So isn’t this whole test just a bunch of people riding and commenting on bikes that don’t fit them?
  • 2 4
 No, this is just an advertisement , disguised as a bike test. Id love to know how these bikes compare to say the Norco Range which won bike of the year 2021?
  • 2 0
 @Acid11: Well since most people wouldn't even consider owning it for pedaling if you don't do just gravel roads it doesn't matter much! we know it's really good in chunky stuff with that wheelbase, chainstay growth and travel For me any many others it's a DH bike you can pedal not an enduro bike which usually works better in more varied terrain.
  • 2 0
 So mullet is now king and you have to be a doctor, dentist or lawyer to own a new bike?
  • 3 0
 Stevo all day long w a fox38!!
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer No full Rocky Mountain Slayer review?! (Yes, its a freeride bike.) But we were promised end of summer!
  • 3 0
 Soon(ish).
  • 2 0
 Why don't the Reverb bikes have a 200mm axs reverb? Put their feet to the fire Mike!
  • 1 2
 Oh my god. How can you tell these bike can climb correctly for hours?
The average weight is 16,3 Kg without pedals. So it brings the average weight with pedals to 16,7 Kg...36,8 Lbs!
Even if geometry improved a lot for climbing I doubt that you can easily use it in enduro (where DH are more important but you have to climb also).
Climb 1000/1200 meters in a half day with nearly 17 Kg bikes...why?
My old freeride bike (scott Voltage FR in 2011) weighted 17 Kg also.
As for me these bikes are more Freeride bikes that can pedal a few not enduro bikes.
  • 2 1
 Because the overall weight isn't as important as suitable geometry for going uphill.
  • 2 0
 I ride a 36 lb bike and I've done a good number of 5000+ft days. It's not fast uphill, but it spins up just fine and feels great coming down. The thing I've noticed is that tire weight and tread and rubber compound are each infinitely more noticeable than a couple of lbs spread across the bike.

I can't feel a difference if I have a full water bottle, or no water bottle on my bike. I also can't notice if I have a light, a tool wrap? or a tube strapped to my bike.
  • 2 0
 Great bike selection.. but what really blows my mind are those prices.. $8.800 ? $11.200 for a bike is ridiculous
  • 1 0
 Riders range from 5'11" to 6'3" and the bikes range from 467mm to 492mm of reach. Will be interesting to see how sizing comes into play as far as each rider's preferences.
  • 1 0
 My AF Ripmo is lighter than all these bikes, has better parts than all but the HD4, and I have 2k into it. Mountian biking is sinking faster than the titanic sub.
  • 1 0
 This batch of bikes is going to be exciting. I'm curios to how the unique frames vary from one to another. It looks like there's a lot to talk about this year.
  • 1 0
 Who has already predicted who will like what bike? Go....
Kaz - Nukeproof
Dario: - Ibis
Henry - Unno, and he won't be happy about it
Matt - Pole
  • 1 0
 Great pick of bikes. Nice job! However, hopefully you'll benchmark against the usual suspects . . .
  • 4 5
 Sweet choice of bikes. Seat tube length Henry - for long travel bikes - your rear tire and saddle cannot occupy the same space at any time… Shrödinger and stuff. Keep the knobs out of the groove I guess?
  • 1 0
 Well, I guess you’re missing the point of a mixed wheel bike with a smaller rear.
  • 2 0
 maybe an issue when seat tubes were 76 deg and less
  • 3 5
 @rookie100: no. In fact steep seat tube angles are a result of making room for 29” wheel on a bike with more than 150mm of travel, given classic pivot and CS length below 460. Whoever drew that up in basic cad software knows. Another proof of that can be observed on DH bikes where saddle is way up. Please mind that DH bikes actually have virtual seat angles around 76-77 deg.

It doesn’t hinder PB editors on 200mm DH bike with saddle height equal to like 120mm dropper - but nooooo 170mm Enduro bike with post lower than 240mm Ghaaaastly!
  • 3 3
 Ok gotta delete my account again, can’t take this bullshit. Mental gymnastics for middle aged Peter Pans. Like these bollocks on I like responsive mid travel - it’s all suspension settings for the love of Christ! I want a poppy bike - rebound knob, turn it! Oh it doesn’t pay your salary to find easy solutions
  • 3 0
 @Waki-resurrectal: Agree. Most of the marketing around amazing new longer CS length on enduro bikes is just because they decided to steepen ‘actual’ seat angle, and therefore get forced into extending CS.
  • 3 0
 @Waki-resurrectal: delete account, ciao adios
  • 1 0
 @Waki-resurrectal: has anyone ever buzzed saddle on enduro bike?
  • 2 0
 That is one expensive garage full of bikes.
  • 5 7
 I love the field tests, but I just want to throw this out there: my interest in mountain bikes is at least equalled, and maybe surpassed, by my interest in mountain bike trails. Let's face it, I can have a great time on any mountain bike. I believe enjoyment level is more greatly affected by the trail I'm riding that bike on. Where's the great trail content?! I tried pinktrail.com but didn't find what I was looking for...
  • 14 1
 Have you tried trailforks.com?
  • 2 3
 @mikekazimer: ya, but no editorials, no field tests, no auto-play videos to get upset about...
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: I second this. The bike industry does very little editorial regarding trails, trail building, cycling clubs, land management battles etc. lots of good content there.
  • 2 0
 @BrianColes: Just get on YouTube and type in some trails you want to look at... hundreds of dozens of trail reviews. I've personally done around 50 trail reviews/ride alongs. The community is picking up the slack, no worry.
  • 3 0
 @thustlewhumber: I don’t want trail reviews. That’s a weird concept to me that I don’t care about. I want the stories.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: i use it a lot, but more and more i find the trails are unrideable. it almost seems like spam trails. to make it hard to find the good stuff
  • 1 0
 @Korbi777: got an example of a spam trail?
  • 2 0
 @BrianColes: PB isn't focused on that kind of article any more. It's long form writing requiring research and time. PB is much more focused on video/picture and/or gear articles. Also those articles you want are a ton of work.

Most contributors (myself included) recognize PB's direction and have moved on
  • 2 0
 @leelau: so where have you moved on to?
  • 2 0
 @DuRietz: putting skinnies everywhere. Wink

@leelau I feel like you can do video and photo articles on trail culture. Could be tough but it could be as trail building porn. It doesn’t have to be a long form article.

Hell, even bike mags don’t write shit about trails.
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: just look at north east spain, 90% is not a trail or so bad to ride its a waste of time. or many parts of italy, just the same
  • 1 0
 @DuRietz: some on Singletracks.com. Wrote about liability for volunteer trailbuilders; biking in Spain and Peru etc. With Covid shutdowns I took a break from writing and just rode locally for the fun of it.

Got to get motivated to start writing again but like @BrianColes said (thanks for the kick in the pants Brian) it's worthwhile getting the word out about advocacy
  • 2 0
 dam! over 5000$ for the nicolai frame
  • 2 0
 the 7k pole is feame only, right. no way the whole bike is that cheap
  • 5 0
 Pole bikes are surprisingly competitive price wise, I'm always surprised at the spec for the money. Not that I would ever call a 7k bike a good deal, but compared to SC or Yeti....
  • 2 0
 That nicolai looks positively.. nicolai.
  • 1 0
 Sick lineup - I hope to hear how it stacks up against the common benchmark Specialized Enduro.
  • 3 2
 That Pole, Nicolai & Unno are absolutely beautiful bikes! Love when brands look completely different to the norm.
  • 2 0
 Trek Slash Idler issues? did it fall off?
  • 1 1
 I bet it will be super interesting test due to controversial bikes, however half of them looks ugly, and warranty cases or spare-parts not widely available
  • 2 0
 demo'd a nukeroof recently and was very satisfied
  • 1 0
 Whats the hidden bike with all the clothes on it at the start of the video?
  • 2 0
 Nicolai: "I'm not fat, I'm just big boned"
  • 2 0
 I know some don't like it, but that UNNO burn is thing of fucking beauty.
  • 2 0
 Just for reference, the average weight of those 8 bikes is 16.3375kg
  • 1 0
 And while I'm at it :
Average head angle : 63.8°
Average seat angle : 77.7875°
Average price : 8436.625$
  • 3 0
 @Will-narayan: for the love of God man ROUND those #s!
  • 1 0
 If you’re weighing down to the ten-thousandths, the weight of the air in the tires is a consideration
  • 3 0
 @hllclmbr: username checks out
  • 1 0
 I know a lot of DH riders go mullet but enduro? Is there a stat somewhere on setups?
  • 1 0
 Enduro field test right after rampage! All of the bruhs are getting hard now!
  • 1 0
 Can already see how the Pinkbike bias against short chainstays is going to play out
  • 1 0
 Can we use a fat guy to do some testing... For real world reporting?

Asking for a friend...
  • 1 0
 Good looking bikes, but I'll take my Status 160 over most of this at a fraction of the cost.
  • 1 0
 Can someone PLEASE explain why we are having a 2023 Field Test in OCTOBER?? Am I missing something?
  • 1 0
 you should have dropped the Unno, Pole and Nicolai. Add a Transition Spire, Specialized Enduro and Santa Cruz Megatower
  • 5 5
 some of these bikes... steel be heavy af. Hoping the chain stays on for all these reviews.
  • 2 1
 Happy to see some different brands!
  • 5 3
 where's the yeti sb160?
  • 9 13
flag SlavikChris (Oct 16, 2023 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 At the dentists office.
  • 13 3
 Got lost en route canal.
  • 3 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: Solid nose laugh.
  • 1 1
 you mean the sb170
  • 1 0
 Whey the Pole Onni and not the Vikkela?
  • 1 0
 I'm also wondering this. It seems from the hints so far that the Onni is way too stiff, bit it seems the Vikkela is much more suited to this test.
  • 3 2
 @pinkbikeaudience — Why no WeAreOne Arrival 170 mullet?
  • 9 0
 Yeah! In fact, why no [AnyOfDozensOfOtherBikesThatFitThisCategoryThatIHappenToAlreadyLike]?
  • 1 0
 Not available for the test, apparently.
  • 1 0
 So do you get a free hydration pack when you by the Pole Omni?
  • 1 0
 Onni has a bottle mount on the too tube.
  • 3 2
 just saw the price of the Ibis. WTF
  • 3 0
 It's the most expensive build (XX1 Transmission) Ibis offers. They have builds starting at US$6099.
  • 1 2
 Yeah I can’t believe it either. I thought it was a typo at first. They make nice bikes and have excellent customer service but that doesn’t even include a motor. Good luck selling that bike when so many brands have huge sales going on.
  • 1 0
 I want that Nicolai in carbon, sub 16kg and a floating brake
  • 2 0
 Bartle Dew
  • 1 0
 That Nucleon has a *lot* going on.
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney is Branston non tory chutney?
  • 2 2
 For giggles, Id like to see how these compare on the timed runs to Kaz's mulleted Fuel EX.
  • 2 1
 New Reign is missing. I know, I know…can only include so many.
  • 1 0
 were any chains dropped though?
  • 1 0
 Ah Mr Quinney, your choice of condiment is to be applauded.
  • 1 0
 Will there be a Enduro bike challenge of budget priced bikes?
  • 1 0
 I am rooting for Trek but Ibis will be the winner
  • 1 0
 Pick a bike that's missing and be a d*ck about it.
  • 1 0
 Branston Pickle is the Dog’s Bollocks!
  • 2 3
 Finally Field Test!
Btw, where is Levi? Is he waiting for gravel Field Test on Pinkbike?
  • 1 1
 chain drops on trek slash
  • 1 0
 Is Henry the GEICO frog?
  • 1 0
 Stacked field!
  • 1 2
 WHEN is the new Specialized Enduro coming out? And are you hoping for a high pivot?
  • 1 0
 No new Specialized Enduro before late 2024. New Stumpy will come first.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: I would have thought the Enduro first. ?
  • 2 1
 Where's the Reeb Steezl?
  • 1 1
 $11,199 for the Bin Chicken! Might just be a little overpriced.
  • 1 2
 The Slash is in there... Lewis Buchanan has a nice review of the Slash which is worth a watch!!! (Unless you own a Slash)
  • 4 6
 No wonder so many are switching to ebikes, who wants to pedal around 36-40lbs of bike all day.
  • 12 2
 Maybe people who like enjoy the enduro discipline? Who wants to run, ride a trainer, or hit the gym because you aren't getting enough exercise on your bro-ped? Some of us actually like to stay in shape and not be on the verge of cardiac arrest after a 2-hr ride.
  • 4 7
 So did Levy go to vitalmtb? did he die?
  • 5 2
 No.
  • 3 0
 He's opening up Walmarts in Bentonville and writing for GMBN now.
  • 9 12
 We want Levy!
  • 4 2
 100% - we are missing The Levy in these segments
  • 3 6
 No female testers??
  • 1 0
 Woman don't buy enough bikes and are the rarity on mountain biking social media, so even though it would make sense to have better representation, PB and Outside clearly don't care. A case of the tail wagging the dog. Sorry your post got pushed off, mine did too, sad.
  • 1 1
 @sanchofula: holy shit dude. wow. talk about stoopidsauce
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: and yet I got a reply, what shitshow Pinkbike has beconr
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