Video: What Does the EWS & UCI Partnership Mean?

Nov 14, 2018
by Enduro World Series  

The EWS and UCI have entered into a historic new partnership. If you have questions about that you're not alone! Here's all the info you need in just 2 minutes.


MENTIONS: @EnduroWorldSeries



218 Comments

  • + 174
 It means we may be forced to move away from EWS events. Working with the UCI in the USA means working with USAC and we will not ever do that again.
  • + 68
 USAC sucks more than Trump. well maybe not more, but just as much.
  • + 16
 @deadhorse13: Both are pains in the SAC you might say?
  • + 6
 Well this kind of thing will certainly put a hole in the hopes of growing grassroots support for Enduro. What is it that sucks so much about USAC?
  • + 35
 Amen. USAC has destroyed much of MTB /BMX in this country. Truly sad.
  • - 11
flag owlie (Nov 14, 2018 at 10:17) (Below Threshold)
 @deadhorse13: Blows more than Lewinsky
  • + 33
 Anyone remember 4X and DS? Yeah that's right FU(K USAC and the UCI !!! Ruining Racing Daily.
  • + 26
 Hear hear. USAC doesn't deserve to have anything to do with MTB events, especially not a new, great format like Enduro.
  • + 19
 Smooth and easy tracks so everybody is safe.
  • + 1
 @Eastern-States-Cup but you have a UCI junior trade team? That’s thru USAC. . . . .
  • - 20
flag CantClimb (Nov 14, 2018 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 More Salary for Chris Ball....?
  • + 12
 It sucks to hear a cycling organization harms cycling so much. Eastern States Cup is doing a phenomenal job the last few years. It's unfortunate that so much progress may now be jeopardized.
  • + 10
 Hope some of the Enduro East events in 2019 will still count as EWS qualifiers? Either way, racing the ESC is some of the most fun I've ever had on a bike, so I'll support whatever you guys decide to do next season.
  • + 13
 @Eastern-States-Cup thank you for doing what you do for the sport. I live very far from many races I go to so I had to race cat 2 DH USAC because I couldn't accumulate the points or podiums to move up. I'd love to see you guys go national at some point because I've never seen an organization that works so well for the grassroots and pro community. It's time to pony up and kick usac DH and Enduro right out of the US!
  • + 15
 Can you list the issues with USAC? Or someone else. I am not questioning you, I just want to better understand the issue
  • + 22
 @Andrewlunka: At enduro national champs this year, a mechanical on stage 2 left me racing with no chain, and at the stage 4 drop in, (had just hiked 8 miles of transfer) the USAC official almost made me stop racing because it was a “mechanical” but I argued with her and she eventually let me drop. What makes USAC suck is that it’s run by roadies who make rules based on road racing for an enduro race. Also nationals was one of the worst organized events I’ve ever been too
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 @CantClimb: That's literally all it is.
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 @Andrewlunka: They get a boatload of money and then "re-allocate" it. Someone blew the whistle on them recently here on Pinkbike. I'm pretty sure it was @RichardCunningham.
Can someone re-post it? I can't find his jab.

The one good thing to come from having USAC as the oversight at an event is if you get hurt, the member insurance will kick in as either secondary coverage if you have health, or play a huge part in helping you medically if you have NO health insurance. It used to be 80/20, but now I think is 70/30. Covered $12k of the $16k medical bills I accumulated a USAC NORBA DH.
  • + 6
 @bizutch: You need to stop crashing son! ;-)
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 @MX298: Actually we were forced out by the change in the 2019 UCI rules and have not been able to field a UCI WC Team this year or in the foreseeable future. We were not the only team unable to continue, it happened to a lot of them. We asked USAC for assistance to no avail.
  • + 12
 @chriskneeland:Thanks for the kind words ! We will continue to thrive and progress the sport, we absolutely love what we are doing and will be pushing forward. There will be changes to the Clif Enduro East format that will make racers very happy and continue it's status as the premier enduro series regardless of organizing bodies.
  • + 13
 @bizutch:
We offer the same insurance coverage for the racers as USAC. We had to do a lot of research to find the right underwriter that would work with us to secure a great package that we could afford.
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 @deadhorse13: RU sure. That’s a pretty high bar!
  • + 7
 Good on ya ESC! The ESC have been the best organized racing events I’ve been to. The Cliff kids program was run excellently by Brooks Nablo. My 12 yo wants to focus on Enduro next year because of that program, In spite of the fact that he broke his wrist at Mountain Creek. (Way gnarly there btw). Don’t change the Eastern States Cup.
  • + 6
 @MX298: not for a few years now... Because new uci rules pretty much put a stop to it.
  • - 4
flag MX298 (Nov 14, 2018 at 18:32) (Below Threshold)
 @davetrumpore: UCI didn’t put a stop to it. . . . . They just limited the number of juniors that qualify!
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 @MX298: hence the team coming to an end. Changes were also made to the rules regarding who could be a trade team, and no team without a top 50 rider would be able to register as a UCI team and thus receive the benefits that come from it... So the root cause? New UCI rules ;-)
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 @davetrumpore: oh yea I understand, you got to race nationally. Pick points paying races and get results and earn uci points to qualify. Plus they require more point and allow less riders. The days of funding a trade team and giving kids a WC vacation are gone. And now the EWS will be the same way.

Not sure it’s a bad thing!
  • + 2
 @endurocat: Yeah problem with that is if people are like myself, we tend to fall over and injure ourselves when we are bored to death. This applies to MTBing - Skiing - Motorcycling - walking ))

In Aus they believe the slower you drive the safer you will be but they never count on putting us into fn comas and subsequently running off the bloody road into a tree.

I've driven a lot of Europe including Germany and nothing is as boring as driving in Southern Australia. May the Safety Killjoys rot in hell.
  • + 6
 @Andrewlunka: Glaring problem, USAC doesn't give two shits about gravity based mtn biking, or really mtn biking at all so long as they get their fees to support skinny tire national teams going to Europe to race. After they took over NORBA and ran the entire scene into the ground they went straight back to roadie mentality. Recently, at 2018 USAC Gravity Nationals there was zero money for the pro podiums until the pro's called them out on it, and only after a giant social media backlash did they finally kick in some prize money. Another example, they allocate ZERO resources for support or development of any gravity racing (DH, DS and enduro), but they happily take everyone's money for a worthless license that only is useful for someone trying to compete at a World Cup.
  • + 1
 @RkyMtnSrfr: Add in BMX into the mix of disciplines they milk for $$ and stifle with ridiculous rules since they took over the ABA.
  • - 6
flag CaliCol (Nov 15, 2018 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 @lindblomxc: I call BS on your claim and will also say you don’t know a thing about how rules are made because your claim that rules are based on road racing is completely and utterly ridiculous. And, no, Im notnanUSAC supporter. I have refused to be a USAC member for years, but have enough sense to know that rules for enduro aren’t based off of road rules. Furthermore, I will even be so brash as to claim you have never road raced a mile in your life and don’t know the first thing about road rules thus your lack of qualification to even make such a ridiculous comment. I’m not defending USAC, I’m pointing out that you’re talking out your arse and should mind your p’s and q’s.
  • + 0
 @CaliCol: I like how your argument was eloquent and blunt but threw in the word arse at the end to soften it up for the snowflakes
  • + 1
 @bizutch: the use of “arse” was more of a concern having to do with the potential of having my commented deleted by pinkbike. Hasn’t happened yet but you never know.
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 @deadhorse13: Snowflake...
  • + 0
 @ridesmoothbro: Did he hurt your feelings?
  • + 60
 It means that the EWS will become just as corrupt as the UCI............
  • + 19
 oooh a controversial starting comment!
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 Every big human organization is corrupt. As soon as even basic money and power are involved people get corrupt. Follow the money. Money give power, power gives more money. Power corrupts always. EWS is still small. Joining UCI means being their subjects. Chris Ball won’t be corrupt, I doubt that, but he will have to take shit from them. If you are someone involved in racing, helping to organize events by the side of your job, sacrifice lots of own time, often family time, sacrifice riding and suddenly someone offers you a job to grt paid to do that? Ooooh you’ll bend over. Not directly. Later. They will slow but surely take off your pants, you will protest at first, but then they will give you a prospect of more power, and they will tell you that they will just touch you there in return. The process of bending over and finally liking it once you starting bending over your younger colleagues, that’s how it rolls. Everywhere. First small favors then bigger ones. I will never sell out! Listen John you always wanted to go to Canada, how about you follow national team on a camp, Percy was meant to go but he can’t. You may need to pay for food but we pay the plane. Ok! Three months later. Listen that dude you went to Canada with, he is a big sponsor, he was asking if you would meet him about...

Love it just love it... humans. Manipulation, pushing and watching how they respond, speak to their desires, fears... it is easy to live up to morals when you are a little cog in the machine. That’s what you are made to do after all. Do what is right... Work!!!
  • + 10
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm in no way saying Chris Ball will be corrupt! Everything, I read about him is he's a force for good with our sport & passion. But if he gives up control of EWS to UCI.........it will drive him out because he will be told to compromise due to the UCI Big Brother.
  • + 11
 Given the recent doping rumors in EWS, I wouldn't be surprised if the EWS is already well on its way there...
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 @rivercitycycles: I didn't mean that you said so. I just wanted to clarify how I don't talk about him being corrupt.
@dhx42: develop a sport enough, make earnings high enough and people will dope. Develop it to the point of Football, NBA, NHL and no governing body will care about doping anymore. In MTB some will do it out of sheer stupidity, like XC rider I know. Moron thought it's a good idea to up his position in national division. If he won it he'd have cash to buy 2010 VW Passat instead of 2005 Golf... I doubt any of EWS racers had any prospect of earning so much money that it would be worth doping. Road is a whole different world. Remember that anti doping agencies are most corrupt of them all. I think doping in cycling is cute...
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 @WAKIdesigns: I know a thing or two about corrupting elements, like money. In 2001 I hit the lottery and instantly gained lots of friends. I was generous and often hosted house parties and such. For about 8 years in my life I grew cannabis, which I liked very much. Of course that also gained me lots of friends. Now I'm 39 years old and all out of money and weed. My friends I can count on five fingers, maybe less. That's reality and no matter how harsh it is, I'm still grateful because of how it all changed me as a man. Now I see everything for what it is, pure bullshit. Now I am truly free.
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 @WAKIdesigns: You don't really hear about NASA scandals. Or Disney. But i bet one of the two pays to cover stuff up.
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 @raditude: both tell wonderful stories making us get out of bed in the morning. I try to look for the bright side because nothing has ever been perfect and can be perfect. The dream that is forcefully realized is always a nightmare. Whatever you look up to too much will sooner or later bring the gaze of the void on you. Once I realized that a part of me always wants to be cheated that I want to believe, I was more free. Awakening or a new bubble? Nothing eats me more than distrust... people who don't come out, like most politicians, they are impossible to respect. They deal with lies. That is why I can now respect Lance. He died and got reborn and his whereabouts and actions have no direct influence on me. Why would I bother my mind with his ethics. All that is left is memories of those few races I watched with him. One of very few races I thought were worth watching. I like Sagan... just not as much as Lance. Man... I loved Donald Duck and Goofy on Christmas morning. I love hubble pictures... Love is the answer
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 @WAKIdesigns: That Sagan pinch. LOL. no one is perfect.
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 @raditude: "You don't really hear about NASA scandals. Or Disney. But i bet one of the two pays to cover stuff up."

Well, NASA did lose two Space Shuttles because management ignored and covered up critical defects and design flaws their own engineers warned them about. That's kinda scandalous.
  • - 1
 @raditude: I like both of the famous Sagans haha
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 @WAKIdesigns: Both gorgeous in different ways!
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 @dhx42: what are the rumors? Any truth to them?? The integrity of this sport is important to me. My children look up to MTB riders as a cut above the other big name sports athletes. Too many of them caught using performance drugs and behaving less than their staus as celeb and role models. And don’t even get me started on the roadies who ruined cycling in the first place over here in the US. Singing songs about EPO and what not. Please Enduro and DH people.... just don’t dope. We have an unblemished sport here. Let’s keep it that way.
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 @emponix: interesting story, how much did u win?
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 @Yody: One million SEK which is just over a hundred thousand dollars as of today.
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 @fattyheadshok: I teach my kids to respect talent & emulate hard work, but will never, ever let them idolize any human as inherently more "noble" than any other. Every single branch of cycling stands to benefit from PEDs: different substances, dosages, economics, & testing for each discipline, but where there is potential benefit, there IS doping, period. Riding alongside (& then far behind) riders who rode the first wave of EPO to huge cycling careers in the early 90s taught me all I needed to know about idolizing "superhuman" performances, long before US Postal went "pop." In gravity disciplines you can't dope yourself to the top in the absence of skill, but if you have that skill, the augmented strength & recovery needed for winning margins are well within what modern pharmaceuticals can deliver. Trusting that an entire discipline is "clean" with blind faith just because it is young & untested is a guaranteed formula for heartbreak.
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 @Veloscente: the issue is though... how does that matter? Do dopers take their dope and sit all day on the couch while clean riders grind their knees off? Daaaad, why do you need a new bike? Daddy did you ever want to be with another woman after you married mommy? Can you answer sincerely daddy?

I know people who drown in their lies. I also know people who drown in the truth. Their own truth. More universal it seems to them, the more personal it is for the rest. Cheating is a mean of efficiency, playing with the rules is a form of social mechanics.
  • + 0
 We might get a Team Sky Enduro, covered by british cycling that gets a free pass at whatever they want cause they have more money than WADA. They will shuttle in Jaguars and race in micro vortex suits.
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 @Whipperman: Groan. Dude, you hit the head on the nail: the d*mn space race between doping doctors & WADA vaporized my ability to care about road cycling.
Big suits, big syndicates, big pharma in Enduro? God help us.
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 @Whipperman: as if WADAs actual function wasn’t to provide an illusion of fairness and they weren’t corrupted themselves. Team Sky having more money than WADA? That is irrelevant, they WADA has more power. It’s not about that at all. Putting down a Team like Sky or Bora or whatever is simply generating too much colleateral damage to all big parties involved in the sport.

@BergMann there’s too little money in MTB compared to road or athletics. They only big company involved in MTB with actual big money invested is Red Bull. Go through logos on team jerseys of road racers and compare them to MTB and you’ll see a bigger picture. If someone dopes in Enduro he isn’t doing it for any greater money and he is in no position to make any bigger money for anyone. Also as many said sbive, skill and experience are too big factor for fitness (subject to PEDs) to matter. If suddenly someone creates a powerful nutropic, mind enhancing substance that makes you better at riding a bike down the hill, it is a different story.
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 @WAKIdesigns: The reason WADA dropped charges against Froome is that they feared legal action. Team would just outgun them with lawyer. Dopping charges was a decision from WADA's direction, not from the scientific part.
And yes, the yearly budget of Team Sky is larger than Wada's and they also are covered by British Cycling
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 @Whipperman: it can't be just about the budgets of those two parties. If WADA pulls the trigger the geenie is out of the bottle. It wouldn't damage just Team Sky, it would damage everybody. Journalists would be like vultures digging into every wound. Whole sport would loose credibility. It is road cycling, not Football, the sport does not have capacity to deal with all such sht. The actual sponsors would pull out leaving teams with little funding. WADA is corrupt. Too much noise around them would put the executives into the courtroom. Nobody wants to deal with such mess. Situations like that are often used in human organisations to shift power positions within the structure. Someone pushes for Froome to be exposed and if he has evidence, he is in position of power. He can then move himself within the organisation.

Froome will have to be very smart after he finishes his career. WADA and all dopings agencies have a good record of throwing people under the bus after they are no longer useful. Just like shooting down young athletes who present little chance to be good, all to prove that agency is working.

This is what organisms do.
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 @WAKIdesigns: are you a professional philosopher? It’s a sincere question not meant to be anything more than a personal inquiry based on reading many of your posts (it’s kind of hard not to).
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 @CaliCol: no. I apologize. I get into logic too often... The text above is basically a boil down of documentary "ikarus" and Slavoj Zizek. I do listen to philosophers.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I figured you did [listen to philosophers]. My BA (that I have never used for anything professionally) is in philo.
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 @CaliCol: He is a Life Coach but is not currently taking on any new clients from what I hear.
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 @endlessblockades: then I guess it’s a good thing that I’m not in need of a life coach
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 @WAKIdesigns: its only ego that drives dopers not cash. They call it a level playing field. Cash is just another by product. Doping is sadly already a part of ENDURO. UCI will not help they are only there to get in on the potential money gains.
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 @re-ride66: winning rider brings cash to himself and to his sponsors. There is nothing more to say about that. I didn’t say money is the only reason. But in big games it is a big part of it. It’s not like Lance didn’t earn Nike tons of money. In Enduro it is mainly ego. For sure.

@endlessblockades a few of my patients commited suicide. Well... not many can dive into the void and come back sane... hence I am reluctant to take new clients.
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 @WAKIdesigns:

Yes, as Nietzsche pointed out.
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 @endlessblockades: thus spoke........waki
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 Personally I think we should have a separate, unique, Doping-Required league (potentially on eBikes...). Let's see what humans can do when they're truly juiced to the eyeballs!
  • + 8
 I've been an advocate for a "super-mod" category for years.
  • + 18
 We already know. They win 7 tour de frances. Your comment did make me laugh like hell.
  • + 5
 That's pro tour road racing????
  • + 2
 @clink83: and just about every sport on TV Soccer, football,baseball, basketball, hockey all have dopers but knowbody cares they just don't talk about it much.
  • + 35
 I respect Chris Ball and all he has built with EWS. I believe most of his intentions on the partnership are positive. That said, handing the rule book over to the UCI (yes he said 'partnership' but we all know how heavy handed the UCI is) and adding more bureaucratic commissaires to the events is a dangerous slippery slope in my opinion. Much of the EWS appeal was it's lack of UCI oversight and repressive meddling. Many see this partnership as a deal with the devil in all honesty
  • + 9
 Right, I thought that is why the EWS was created-as a big FU to the UCI (Chris's old employer) to prove a great race series could be operated without the UCI. Pitty to see it going this direction.
  • + 5
 Give the guy a chance. He was part of the UCI before setting up the EWS. Im sure he knows about their workings
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 Is EWS not at the stage where they have to clearly separate the commercial interests of the sport, from the governance of it? You look at other "brands" that are considered sports and they always seem to struggle with this.

Ironman is a good example. There was a famous case that's often cited where Lance Armstrong came 2nd in an Ironman and the 1st, 3rd and 4th were selected by Ironman to be drug tested. Some races are so over sold, it's impossible to abide by the drafting rules on the bike. Formula 1 is also often accused of putting their commercial interests ahead of the sport.

Without the UCI there's a definite conflict of interest.

Hypothetical future EWS where there is no UCI: Last race of the season and rider A has led the series all season, but it all hangs on the last race. Rider A (who also rides for an EWS headline sponsor) wins but is found to have purposely ditched a piece of equipment during the ride. Does the EWS have the b@lls to disqualify them for littering when the headline sponsor puts pressure on them?

The sport definitely needs the commercial side separated from the sporting governance side.
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 @Patsplit: That´s been a good strategy. You go on your own, you grow and then you being the small fish take over the big one with your conditions.... getting only the good side you want from your previous competitior... Chris Balll you are geniuous! Thx.
  • + 30
 Are we going to now be forced to buy licenses from USAC like we do for Downhill? One of the reasons I am still a Cat 2 Sandbagger, because I am only interested in a couple of races a year and buying a Cat 1 license is not worth it for me.
  • + 1
 What I really hate about the USAC upgrade process is that outside of the expert categories it results in 12 and under kids in the same practice sessions as 20 or 30 something men. There are routinely time disparities of 2x or 3x between the slowest men and the fastest kids, that type of speed disparity is hazardous for everyone. A big draw of closed course racing is being on track only with people of comparable ability; chasing riders just a bit faster helps you improve, and it is safer to ride at your edge when you can trust that the trail isn't blocked by squids.

Practices with too great a disparity mess that up. At best you get blocked by slower riders and lose your groove, at worst I've broken a wrist avoiding a kid who was sliding down the landing of a blind jump, with her brakes locked and feet out. What was I supposed to do, hit the jump for the first time during my race run? Not go fast in the morning practice? anticipate that waiting more than 5 minutes at the top of a 2:15 course wasn't long enough for it to be clear?
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 How much did you pay for your Downhill bike?
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 @Aikow

A lot of us ACTUAL Cat 2 DH racers think you are a douchebag cheapskate. 'Not worth it to you' to have any integrity? May you be plagued with mechanicals throughout the season.
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 I signed up for a local enduro race for 10 bucks a couple years ago. I almost got laughed out of the registration line when I was like, "Huh?" after they told me I had to pay $20 for a USAC license.
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 @endlessblockades: Shots fired!!
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 @gnarnaimo: Yeah well it looks like a lot of ppl agree with the OP but whatever. If you are a Cat 1 racer, why the hell would you race in Cat 2 which is often a different/easier DH course? To save a few dollars? Use a set of composite pedals for a season if money's so tight. No glory for Sandbaggers!
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 @endlessblockades: They want to pay for an expensive rig...but they dont want to commit to placing mid-pack on it. They'd rather have the crutch of saying they had to race for moneys sake in a lower class than admire they're not the alpha. Weird money math...usually used my list rider guys who "occasionally " race.
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 @endlessblockades: I am not saying I win Cat 2 races. Top 10 usually and that has caused some to call me a sandbagger. At my age (mid 40s) and recovering from some injuries in my life stepping it up to the Cat 1 courses isn't always as desirable. I am just out there to have some fun. I don't hold anyone back in the overall if you are chasing the series. Like I said only one or two races a year. If that still gets you undies in a bundle so be it. Cheers
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 @Aikow: OK, I forgive you, specifically, but not the overall sandbagging-to-save-a-few-bucks message I was getting. I have lifted the hex. Your bike should perform well next season - good luck!
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 @Aikow: FYI to all those aspiring racers out there...if you're trying to blame your lack of "move up" on the person in front of you in a series or race, you're not fast enough to move up.

I've raced for a couple decades now and been at tons of races over the years where you could put a rotund elephant ahead of the fastest guy in the class and it's not enough to hold them back.

We all like to "fight to that next category", but rest assured, not one person who pointed into Cat 1 or Pro was going to be denied. And anyone else besides the guy that smoked the category is in the right category. Big Grin
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 @bizutch: Since I feel like that was directed at me... In that particular race I taped up my wrist, munched some ibuprofen, and got my final podium to point out and move up, so you're right about refusing to be denied.

I still think its a bad idea to have pre-teens and adults in the same practice.
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 @CaptainBLT: Ideally sure. But logistically, it's just never been functionally possible. Mountains are hard to come by, tracks are tough to design, go arounds always add time (so newbies or people blown off line lose even more time) and different mid-pack racers have varying results on varying courses.

We can't ever apply the Pro process to the mid-pack or newbie/junior because each course produces a very different result for the common riders. Super fit roadie vs fat out of shape former moto dad gain and lose drastic chunks of time depending on course features.

Like I said...racing will only ever allow the fastest guy who is head and shoulders faster than everybody to rise to the top regardless of riders on mountain and all others just have to make do and survive. Separating skills is just impossible when you put people in the random funnel of a DH course.
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 RIP EWS
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 Kiss the chance of having any EWS Pros show up at regional Enduro Events goodbye. UCI rule 1.2.019 Prohibits atheletes from participating in non UCI events. So before you go sign up for that UCI license, make sure that your calendar doesn't have any great local or regional events on it as these will likely continue to be non UCI. Honestly, I'm surprised the UCI hasn't been sued for violating anti-trust laws....
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 How do people enter Hardline, Crankworks or Rampage? Genuine question.
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 @L0rdTom: Although it doesn't appear to be well worded in the rulebook itself, In practice they can enter events in which UCI does not sanction that discipline. Hardline, Crankworks, and Rampage are outside of traditional disciplines, and UCI athletes would not be prevented from participating.
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 @Timzjatl: all crankworx DH events are uci events and Hardline added UCI affiliation this year as well.
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 US domestic pro road teams fought valiantly to have this rule amended when it first came out, but sadly they failed because the Euro-suits at the UCI simply don't understand that bike racing in the US is built primarily on a broad foundation of unsanctioned, grass-roots events. In the US, top level dirt & road pros have never made a habit of dropping in on unsanctioned events to "sandbag" & gobble up podiums & prize money: sponsors send them there to boost excitement w/ grass-roots participants. It's sad that the UCI will drive this artificial, Eurocentric wedge between enduro pros & the rest of the global racing community, but given the growth of, and focus on, enduro in the MTB world in recent years, the writing was kind of on the wall...
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 @davetrumpore: Thanks for the clarification.
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 No more weed at the races?
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 but its legal in Canada and we love our dope!!!
  • + 5
 can I get a T.U.E. for medicinal?

tup
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 I have a CDL so no weed for me even during off work time. There are many professions that do not allow Weed/THC in your system at any time. At the level of pay some of these athletes are at I don't see a issue when looking at the bigger picture. Professional riders can find other races to enter if they really want to smoke weed. Personally I would rather see testing happen than it not so people can smoke weed. IDEALLY they will at some point remove Weed from the drug list in testing for UCI, Olympics, etc etc. I think it will happen eventually, just not as soon as we would like.
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 @H3RESQ: This bias, is mostly because you live in the USA where drug testing is pretty much guaranteed.
  • + 6
 Yeah banning people from smoking weed is well out of order.
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 Somebody help me? Why are recreational substances tested for? To give the impression of a ‘clean’ sport? I cant think of a legit reason.
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 @iqbal-achieve: Cannabis (and other rec drugs) reduce pain, which is precisely why "medical marijuana" became, and still is a thing. Pain masking agents & stimulants give a performance advantage. It's nowhere near what you can achieve w/ EPO, HGH, cortisone, etc. but it's still an advantage & small marginal gains add up. One or two shots from your inhaler is allowed for pros w/ asthma. 3 or 4 shots can get you a sanction: athletes are responsible for everything they put in their bodies, fullstop.
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 @Veloscente: Asthma... So many XC skiers have it. I believe the disease gives them motivation to try harder. Overcoming is the driving force. They don’t comment on it because it hurts them. So many bad memories.
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 @Veloscente: I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to argue that getting ripped before a race provides an advantage.
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 @matttauszik: It's not my argument, it's biochemistry: cannabinoids suppress pain receptors in the brain. This is why doctors prescribe it for chronic pain sufferers & why the Olympic officials have it on the list of banned substances. The argument is long over, done & dusted.
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 @iqbal-achieve: Some roadies got caught for Cocaine : doesn't help much on race day but it allows you to train harder without feeling tired.
  • - 1
 @iqbal-achieve: Certain strains of weed can greatly increase focus, or the ability to get "in the zone," or help with recovery, or just help a highly motivated athlete chill out and take a rest day, or increase the appetite of some of these skinny guys who don't (can't?) eat enough...
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 @matttauszik: Dude, there's so much more to PEDs than just using them before a race. It's all about the training benefits.
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 @skelldify: So you're saying that getting high while training for a cardio/endurance event helps you? I don't think so.
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 @Veloscente: all I know is getting blazed is never gonna help me get better on a bike in any way. Quite the opposite for me. Perhaps i need to find a better dealer.
  • + 1
 @SlodownU: according to Joe Rogan, small doses of weed help some people with focus. He mentioned top UFC fighters, runners, swimmers, bow hunters. It is supposed to improve coordination of different body parts to perform compound movements. Whatever that's worth...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Lot of old race car drivers getting stoned to calm the nerves
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 @WAKIdesigns: Joe Rogan is a straight buster. Thinly veiled flat earther I’d say. Beware
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 @endlessblockades: he's a globetard.
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 One of the biggest reasons why British Cycling dropped enduro as a discipline is due to lack of commissaires. These are volunteers that do not get paid for a weekend on the hill ensuring all is safe and fair. The other point was lack of organisers following the rules. Think about the number of marshals, medics, course taping, spectator management. If the national federation is to support, insure and deploy commissaires then they will want to ensure their rules are followed. Ranking of riders for seeding runs, rear number boards etc.. may also be implemented.

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Also, note this is now being enforced, it's a rule from 2013 that was inserted: Forbidden races:

1.2.019 No licence holder may participate in an event that has not been included on a national, continental or world calendar or that has not been recognised by a national federation, a continental confederation or the UCI.

Depending on the circumstances, a national federation and the UCI may grant special exceptions for particular races or events run in its own country.

Particular races or events may consist of:

- events organised occasionally only and which do not belong to the organised

sports movement;

- events whose format is not covered by the UCI regulations.

Any national federation intending to grant a special exception must submit its reasoned request to the UCI administration in the beginning of the season and at least two months before the respective event. The decision of the UCI in this respect is final and shall not be subject to appeal.

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I believe Brook MacDonald and a few more got their wings clipped for doing a street race in Chile?
No MTB riders have been sanctioned, just a slap-on-the-wrist letter to explain that they competed in an unsanctioned race and to check before they enter a race that it is on a calendar.
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 Damn @si-paton you just dropped the biggest soggy ass reality bomb on this shit turd of a parade lap!
That is an excellent point about the total cluster FOKK that the UCI and USAC and all those other "sanctioning bodies" are associated with.

Enduro races (I've never raced one cause I suck at climbing) are evolving as very raw, free form challenges for riders of all disciplines. This will throttle the crap out of the premier series. The massive burden of rules, regulations, siphoning off of funds from the promoters and riders, the bureacracy and red tape, restrictions and guidelines.

I'm gonna grab a drink!!!
  • + 4
 Surely this is something that elite level riders should forcibly continue to flount. It doesn’t increase their chances of winning elsewhere in ‘sanctioned’ calendar events and seems to simply hand power to the UCI and their sponsors? Which may or may not be contracted but seems too far a restriction on any given athlete for the UCI’s sake?
I know you’ve mentioned this a lot and I know for sure you’re more clued up than I am but my thought is simply that the riders say ‘f*ck it’ and keep going. They’re not doping, they’re not cheating. They’re doing what riders do and should continue to do and appear at local grass roots races, calendar events or no.
  • + 3
 "National, contintenal, or world calendar"? WTF else is there, Mayan? Astrological? UCI sounds like a fun bunch.
  • + 2
 Sounds like a monopoly on riders’ ability to race events so that only UCI can stand to gain from them. Might need to get a riders union or some sort of anti-trust movement going
  • + 1
 Would this mean that all the Pro athletes who would want to race in the Big Mountain Enduro (BME) series now would not be able to race in any of them? Sure sounds like it. I imagine that most of the US series are now going to be off limits to the Pro athletes?
  • + 1
 @Supermoo: if not UCI sanctioned, then they can be reprimanded ...yes.
  • + 12
 Means EWS will start to suck, but will be kept alive by the fans despite of the UCI not because of it.
  • + 10
 Consistent and regular doping control (not just piece meal testing by local federations), can't be a bad thing...
  • + 24
 There are a options to make that happen. Involving UCI is the worst of them.
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 @LOLWTF: ^^^ This.
  • + 8
 yes it is...weed is legal in Canada....ill test positive for sure!!!
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 @Bird-Man: legal here in Colorado where I live. Guilty. Big Grin
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 @Bird-Man: Plenty of legal drugs that you aren't allowed to take if you're an elite level, monitored athlete.
  • + 1
 @ukr77 there is already a regular doping control, and local federations are more serious than UCI... And if you followed, the afld had some positive controls at the french EWS this year...
  • + 3
 hurrayy drugs!
  • + 2
 Are mountain bikers really that worried about doping? IMO enduro is much more about technique than road racing, where doping has a greater influence on the results.
  • + 1
 @kingtut87: plenty more practices that’d be considered wrong or bad sport are legal.
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 @drakefan705: @drakefan705: In enduro and downhill steroids and growth hormones could have a massive impact on how well you can handle a bike.
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 @Bob-Agg: genuine question. Please explain to my naive self how those could help me handle a bike better?
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 @iqbal-achieve: More strength to fight g-outs, compressions, or unseen hits/obstacles/bumps quicker recovery time = rested muscles/brain for reaction timing. The list goes on...
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 @bman33: sounds awesome, what specifics should I look for? Can I find them legally?
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 @drakefan705: I strongly disagree. I mean its called enduro for a reason. At this level all the riders are really fast and technically skilled so you have to look at the next metric to gain any real advantage. All the skills and technique will let you down if you cant maintain maximum attack the whole way down, pumping everything, accelerating back up to speed, pedaling through flats or accents, staying sharp and remembering your lines, not making mistakes, and not crashing. Obviously there are other factors but i would argue that fitness is the one area a rider can change and improve the most and gain the most advantage. With that being said the guys consistently at the top are on a slightly other level of speed, but again that advantage is lost if they arent fit.
Sam Hill is a freak from a whole other planet. He dominates on flats- nobody else can do this and be competitive, not even at WC DH level. So his skill level is insane, but I am quite certain his strength and endurance are among the best too. Watch his onboard footage from this year's avalanche.
If youre already a fast and skilled rider and want to get faster on your mtb, put it away for a couple months and dont touch it. Focus on your fitness and ride road and/or gravel bike (gravel bikes arguably might further tune and improve bike handling). No, they arent even close to as fun (gravel can bet sorta close) and riding by cars sucks. However, once you get back on the mtb, you might feel a bit rusty and/or even slow, but you will with out a doubt blow all your old times away.
  • - 2
 @Rstetina: why would you lose your skills on a glorified road bike? Enduro stages are won/lost buy tens of seconds?
Just take a roid cycle on the mtb!
  • + 1
 @MX298: who said anything about losing skills? Winning/losing by* tens of seconds? you mean 10 seconds or tenths of a second - Yes both can and do happen? (maybe 10 seconds is a bit of a stretch though). Take roids and ride mtb? I guess you could kill 2 birds with one stone? LOL
  • + 2
 @Rstetina: “tenths of a second “ anyway my point was guys that have spent the winter on a road bike have said they lost bike handing skills.
And doping would help alot in the EWS, look at whistler with thousands of feet of climbing (all day) and the last stage it 20 plus minutes and very peddly!
  • + 0
 @LOLWTF: For sure, but consistency. It's a lot of money per test for a local organization. And they won't be knocking on doors out of season. But a discipline officially under a National Federation (such as Canadian Cycling for example) under the UCI mandate, may.
  • + 9
 Will UCI play a role in seeking, selecting venues? Will the cost to host a EWS event increase?
  • + 3
 I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. On another note, I think this was a nice way to answer some FAQ that will surely come up in every single ews-related comment section for the next three years, including this one. I think having athletes in this video was a nice way to show that, at some level, there has been consideration given for how this will affect current ews riders. What's done is done- it will be interesting to see how this partnership and changes to the series pan out.
  • + 3
 The only mention of UCI on the new EWS website (?): NOTE: Due our partnership agreement with UCI starting in 2019, the below rules may be subject to change. the 2019 Rulebook will be released in January 2019. If it is a partnership, brand the site on the home page accordingly?

How is it consistent that the UCI can and will change the rule book, and there is but multiple reference to the increased numbers, determination and transparency of UCI Commissionaires on the ground, but the "it wont affect you at all or increase costs works". Whom is covering these costs, why?
  • + 3
 I seem to remember the interview where Chris Ball said they would never go to the UCI as they didnt need them. Well I guess he forgot that statement. Good luck with the UCI and all the regulations you are now going to have to come under and meet. And give it time for the costs to go up 'due to some unforeseen addition'. Enjoy.
  • + 6
 Did I miss the announcement, or is this two minute video all we get on this news?
  • + 12
 It was announced several months ago. That said, the EWS has played it down because almost everyone is very pissed about it
  • + 4
 @bman33: Thanks. I must have missed the new news at the time or simply forgot about it.
  • + 2
 So isn't some of the complaints around the UCI for DH 1) the cost of teams to race and all the rules on jerseys, colorways, etc. 2) Cost for pit space 3) media photogs must pay money (don't make Cathro pay!) and 4) the biggest being the cost to host a race? Like $500,000 flat fee to UCI?

It seems like when the UCI is involved the costs get higher. For what benefits?

This is just from memory and weed is legal here in CO, so help me out a little with my memory LOL
  • + 2
 Half a mill lol, it's nowhere near that
  • - 1
 @russthedog: I'm pretty sure it's nowhere far from that
  • - 1
 @russthedog: It's ridiculous how much hate there is on the UCI from people who can't fully comprehend it, to the point that idiots make up stuff no different from the Trump campaign. Half a million sanctioning fee???
  • - 11
flag Arzeripper (Nov 14, 2018 at 20:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Verbl-Kint: Go f*ck yourself verbal-kunt, keep my Presidents name out of your f*cking man pleaser. f*cking idiot.
  • + 7
 UCI suck ass. RIP EWS!
  • + 2
 Hahahaha, I'm laughing.
All the guys who were saying until today "yeaaah bruh, you know, EWS is a special thing, it has nothing to do with the UCI, it's the real MTB".
Well, there you are.
I'm sad for you, because UCI can be shit, but you were just too cocky.
  • + 1
 The question is not only what does it mean to EWS, but what does it mean to other disciplines - like DH? With enduro being a more "hardcore" version of XC, but still safer than DH (and probably more popular too), it may easily cause others to fade away... just like 4x did in favour of XCE.
  • + 2
 Anti Doping should be a good thing, but they better keep it specific. We don't need to be banning anyone who enjoys a bit of "R&R" in their free time. If ya know what I'm sayin.
  • + 1
 Uh, yeah we do. If it helps you rest and relax, then it helps you recover.
  • + 1
 The question that was not asked is, will the EWS still adhere to their zero tolerance, strike one and you're banned for life, doping violation rules, or will they join the well documented failing approach of UCI and IOC? Far as I'm concerned, that is the single most important thing that makes the EWS such a credible series, that and some of the sickest tracks you can race on.
  • + 3
 Here’s a reason USAC sucks. A friend posted this on his Facebook.
USAC is auto charging people for licenses again for ‘19 check your email to override
  • + 4
 No more bong rips in the parking lot before races.
  • + 1
 What does it mean?

Well the picky hoofwankingbunglec*nts at the UCi will likely be measuring socks or some other pointless bollocks:

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/sock-height-rules-will-enforced-uci-2019-400212
  • + 5
 Make Enduro Great Again
  • + 1
 420 x 69 x 710
  • + 2
 What’s the update on the doping rumours in ews?
Chatter that some have been caught?
  • + 1
 Come on folks, what did you expect? Chris Ball is ex UCI. On the other hand, knowing how the UCI operates, how much choice did he really have?
  • + 3
 Not a big fan of the UCI. They care more about road racing then mtbFrown
  • + 2
 hope it works out.....time will tell. Hope the riders still get listened too.
  • + 2
 I can see a few illusions bring crushed when their favorite rider is a no-show next season
  • + 2
 I don't understand this - I haven't heard this kind of negativity from any of the riders on the circuit. Who's not going to show? The WC DH is run by the UCI even more closely and nobody good shows up there, right? Doping controls and independent commissaires are good progress for the series.
  • + 7
 @mattwragg: Maybe in reference to the currently pending doping inquiry against certain rider(s)?
  • + 9
 @mattwragg: Maybe he's talking about this (copied from above): UCI rule 1.2.019 Prohibits atheletes from participating in non UCI events.

So if fans were hoping to see a bigger name rider at a local event, unless they're showing up as a spectator, it's more unlikely than it may have been before.
  • + 1
 @phobospwns: that rule seems to have been flounted regularly in the past. At least it has in the U.K.
Racing? Me ossifer? Never. I’ve never even seen a bike race. Or smoked a joint of which you may or may not be accusing myself of and in spite of all current evidence sir.
  • + 1
 @phobospwns: Wonder what the BME and other large series will think of this. Definitely will remove a number of the pro riders from their registration.
  • + 2
 so my link to the vital thread about the EWS doping being deleted, got deleted. Anyway, its an easy search if you so desire
  • + 0
 Only benefit may be to US collegiate mtb. Having enduro connected to USAC may mean enduro becomes one of the collegiate mountain biking disciplines in the near future.
  • + 3
 Mt.Biking just died!
  • + 3
 PED, EPO, and E-Bikes!
  • + 1
 Look for an eBike EWS series soon...
  • + 1
 most importantly, will red bull now do video coverage like the other MTB UCI events???
  • + 2
 As a qualified EWS rider, this makes me less stoked.
  • - 4
flag dugcarch (Nov 15, 2018 at 3:15) (Below Threshold)
 why? anti-doping? proper rules? yeah i know creating an equal playing field sucks!
  • - 2
 well done Chris! I hope the UCI will bring what you say it will. its great that enduro will finally become a recognized discipline! a proper rulebook is a good thing! so is anti-doping! all these negative comments must be from people who don't understand the UCI and probably will never have to even think about them!
  • + 2
 Are there any plans of televising these events on Red Bull??
  • + 1
 If you mean live, not anytime soon. Remember that this is more like WRC than Nascar. Stages are spread over a huge area, often The logistics around trying to broadcast this in a live situation would be next level, and the costs would be astronomical. To get the wrap up stuff done in the time frame that they currently work with is a great effort in itself.
  • + 3
 @harwox: It would not be that difficult if they would do the last stage live, with inversed times and gaps startlist until then... Then before this last live semi-mass start stage you could make a resume of all other stages of the day with interviews etc... Bring a drone who follows close and live... and here you have it... better than RB Rampage.
  • + 1
 should of read this before posting my own, my thoughts exactly!
  • + 2
 What kind of drug testing will there be? Asking for a friend.
  • + 1
 This is BS the UCI and it rules will DUCK enduro, you will see xxx
  • + 2
 FUCI AND FUSAC
  • + 1
 Did anyone watch the video?
  • + 11
 Yea, but a lot of “nothing is changing” said. . . . . Not sure I believe that!
  • + 1
 I’m ready to see crankworx become the main racing body with no UCI.
  • + 0
 I hope this is fake news?
  • - 3
 Can we stop pretending that steroids are an issue in dh or endure? Ffs all you’re busting is recreational fun drug use like weed and cocaine. Who cares? F@ck the UCI.
  • + 3
 Lol.. sigh
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 Chris Ball 2020
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