Was great to catch up again with my friend and the wild man that is Yoann Barelli my first two time guest for Wyn or Lose Podcast, to discuss what he learnt about bike geometry and design from riding the Grim Donut and his recent move to Guerrilla Gravity Bikes, also his garbage clean ups and then dig in to the dark topic of doping for a moment, and finally touch on how he sees the sport and sponsorship model currently.
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Yoann should serve to help people understand the whole "youtuber vs pro-rider" thing. He is fast, but not the fastest out there. Still, he's so entertaining, that sponsoring him is money well spent for any brand.
It's like any sport...the chosen few have the natural talent, physique, dedication and also luck that puts them on top...Yoann has all those things and we thank him for laying it all on the line!!
IIRC UCI rules state that all race bikes must be put into production within a certain period of time - I see this as the stumbling block to one off bikes. Maybe Enduro is different tho.
I would love to see more one off bikes as it would help push things forward.
@fartymarty: the Athertons must be getting close to that time limit.
I imagine there is a big difference between technically in production and actually available for sale. Anyone else remember the old Group B rally cars that in theory had to have a minimum production run available to the public to buy!
@fartymarty: I think the rule is after 12 months a prototype product must be available to the public, or can no longer be used. So you can use a proto bike for a whole year, but then it must be available to buy or you can't use it anymore.
Apparently this is why the Cannondale DH program stopped, as they could no longer use the proto bike, and weren't ready or planning to offer it for sale.
@melonhead1145: Got ya. So it should benefit smaller companies who are making metal bikes as they can be turned into production bikes at a lesser cost.
@fartymarty: Yeah I think the reason we see less one offs is that most bikes are carbon these days. Also possible that bikes are just much better now so standard bikes suit for a lot more tracks
There was first batch of Atherton bikes available to the public some time ago so technically they fulfilled the requirement... I guess. They use the same suspension design but with manufacturing procedure that allows such great customization, where do you draw a line beetween production and prototype? Because if they go grim donut geomerty thats a whole new bike in my eyes as the change would be much more noticeable than some suspension tweeak...
@winko: I would argue that an Atherton with GD geo is still the same bike as the frame layout is the same and it's available to the public for sale... It's an interesting one tho.
@CM999: not good I would say. Most riders would use one bike for the whole season unless they break ot catastrophically. If you made a custom Grim Donut for the Chile EWS and only used it for one race, one year, then it's pretty wasteful.
@CM999: Headset cup with different angle set, increasing or decreasing the reach, Different point for the rear wheel, increasing or decreasing chain stay length, travel adjust bike and more... Using the same frame
Not a fan of the idea of one off bikes - only the companies with huge budgets would do any good. All for testing different ideas through the season and ending up with a formula that is an all mountain/enduro bike (Mr Hill's carbon Mega for example). To me, the enduro rig needs to be good in many different terrains.
Homologation. You had to produce x amount in order to compete with the machine. I have had some HRC motorcycles that were just that. Unsure of UCI specs but sounds similar.
I'm gonna need the deets on this "hip yoga," as someone coming into strength training later in life, deadlifts, even with minimal weight, destroy my lower back.
@fartymarty: actually, recently taken off the hook & pulled apart on the workshop healing bench. still most of the same bits as that old photo shoot; deliberating a bit of a refresh after years of neglect.
@xy9ine: It would be great to see it up and running again. I've got a Keewee Cromo 8 frame hanging in my shed that needs refurbishing. It's similar age to the Lahar.
I love Wyn but I don’t know why YB had to bring up that thing with Remy.Just out of nowhere to ridiculise such a true athlete.Why ? In the middle of the whole interview that’s so messed up
We really like each other with Remy, it's been a good game of us to poke fun at each other because we are so different but somewhat similar haha. We laughed about this story on the phone again today, and we will be filming a bit on Friday together. Cheers
I don’t know about that actually.I don’t find it cool,my personal two cents on it. It seems to me as you were trying to put the lights on the fact that at that time Remy was not very good and his best result to that day would have been a 47th position out of 50 and that viagra put in his drink supposedly ( sarcastically) has helped him get that result. Basically that’s your message in the video. And I don’t think it’s cool not even in between friends. It hints to me more something else and yet something you touched a while ago , the fact that an EWS stage and the emotions you go thru before one are much stronger than what Remy would go thru when filming something in Squamish. Man it might as well be. But that’s a different animal. And there are 2 different audiences for that. That’s why riding in a competition where you d be judge according to your time is judge differently compared to a video segment where you re judged by the number of views. It is true that lately that has changed drastically in the last 10 years and Remy is one of the guys that has helped this video movement grow so immensely but by no means would it help you YB to ridicule Remy bringing up a joke like that so that the pink biker commenters would see your point ( the fact that an EWS calibre rider would be more skilled ) . Two different animals / two different audiences / almost two different disciplines.
I don’t want to start anything nor to look like I’m against any of you I’m just pointing out the fact that that joke was not a joke and it wasn’t cool.
@barbarosza: if they are both laughing about it now, which it seems and Remy joked about it in the YT comments, then I think it would be considered a joke.
@barbarosza: Wow this is a lot of brain work !! Remy went to Rampage 3 times, and he did not just go to rampage, he shredded rampage, He did and still does stuff on his bike that no one else would dare doing. I have the most respect for Remy's carrier. He had the balls to not go the common way and created his own. Bringing funny stories from the past has nothing to do with trying to ridiculise him, it just mean that we are now in a place where we can laugh at things together, and share stories with people.
"Fastest" doesn't mean anything at the end you are fastest one year, then next one you are not.
I imagine there is a big difference between technically in production and actually available for sale. Anyone else remember the old Group B rally cars that in theory had to have a minimum production run available to the public to buy!
Apparently this is why the Cannondale DH program stopped, as they could no longer use the proto bike, and weren't ready or planning to offer it for sale.
@yoannbarelli It will be interesting to see where you get to with GG. Are you planning to do some videos to document the changes / deveopment?
PS - when are you going to lose the Southern Cross and embrace the Union Flag... (I did it many moons ago).
Ahahhahahahahahah
Not fair YB.
It seems to me as you were trying to put the lights on the fact that at that time Remy was not very good and his best result to that day would have been a 47th position out of 50 and that viagra put in his drink supposedly
( sarcastically) has helped him get that result. Basically that’s your message in the video. And I don’t think it’s cool not even in between friends. It hints to me more something else and yet something you touched a while ago , the fact that an EWS stage and the emotions you go thru before one are much stronger than what Remy would go thru when filming something in Squamish.
Man it might as well be. But that’s a different animal. And there are 2 different audiences for that. That’s why riding in a competition where you d be judge according to your time is judge differently compared to a video segment where you re judged by the number of views. It is true that lately that has changed drastically in the last 10 years and Remy is one of the guys that has helped this video movement grow so immensely but by no means would it help you YB to ridicule Remy bringing up a joke like that so that the pink biker commenters would see your point ( the fact that an EWS calibre rider would be more skilled ) . Two different animals / two different audiences / almost two different disciplines.
I don’t want to start anything nor to look like I’m against any of you I’m just pointing out the fact that that joke was not a joke and it wasn’t cool.