Video: Wyn Masters Rides Bike Park on a 1997 GT LTS in 'LTS vs. LTS'

Jun 23, 2020
by Wyn Masters  


I managed to find what was my dream bike back when I first started riding, a 1997 GT LTS, on eBay and then took it to the bike park to find out for myself just how much bikes have changed in the past 23 years and compare it to my 2020 GT Force which also uses the LTS Platform and hence this is LTS VS LTS.





While the old LTS was a little scary to ride, I still had fun on it and now have a whole new respect for the guys and girls that sent it racing on them back in the day!


88 Comments

  • 175 1
 I hate this video because it makes it abundantly clear it's the rider not the bike.
  • 4 0
 Wyn could likely beat me down any trail on a uni-cycle Wink ...it's funny how big he looks on that old LTS compared to the Force
  • 23 0
 LOL - 2:14 vs 2:33, based on what I've seen in Enduro races over the years of amateurs vs pros times, he'd still be ahead of 99% of guys on modern bikes whilst riding the old one, excluding getting flats and dropping his chain...
  • 34 0
 I'm going to bookmark this for the next (every) time someone complains about dated geometry, 26 is dead, how their bike isn't good enough, etc. So like... 80% or more of our forum content here.
  • 12 0
 Totally!! I spent hours yesterday going over the PB Meta 29 review and how its 'new geo' stacks (pun not intended) up to my (awesome) 2019 Process 29 CRDL.....and considering the swap. After seeing your post I just need to be better!!
  • 30 0
 I think it would be hilarious to have a video series with a timed lap where each episode its an average rider on the latest & greatest super bike vs a pro on the equivalent 20 year old + version (different riders, bikes and course for each episode). Be interesting to see that those lap times looked like.
  • 6 0
 @brycepiwek: Mike Levy vs the world
  • 1 2
 But still a better bike will any rider better to a point.
  • 1 0
 @brycepiwek: On the pinkbike hot lap there is some of that with Ed Masters running an old bike versus his current bike. Other pros have put down times as well and Mike Levy gave it a go.
  • 5 0
 If the old bike had modern tyres and disc brakes those times would be a LOT closer...although if it was a rougher track the gap would be much bigger
  • 1 0
 @lehott: Yes! Yes! Yes!
  • 15 0
 23 years of obsessing, saving, researching, upgrading, finally achieving an amazing modern super bike that is...14% faster.
  • 33 0
 The 80% reduction in pants-crapping is worth it though.
  • 3 0
 But what does the stoke-o-meter say?
  • 4 0
 and 10% of that is the chain lube he used from last week!
  • 1 0
 That's "Progerss" for ya.....
  • 2 3
 *14% faster for the riding Gods who fear nothing and spend all day everyday on a bike. Rather a lot more of a percentage gain for us mortals I suspect! I know which head angle I'd be faster with, and it would be by a lot more than 14%!
  • 1 0
 @SalamandrD: But If nothing is coming out then are you really pushing it hard enough?
  • 1 0
 To be fair, that's not a very long course, and it was pretty easy. I bet he was way closer to the limits of the old bike than the new one.
  • 7 0
 I remember wanting one of those LTS too. This is the one you wanted though:

www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F420594052673911046%2F&psig=AOvVaw08c5rO_w4Ftg4L7ylXSSu8&ust=1593036901134000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIiu74b7mOoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAN

Even today, Alu lugged Carbon tubes is drool worthy, and 21 years old.
  • 5 0
 I used to ride and race with 2 guys who had those. They became squeaking nightmares within 4mo., they deeply regretted selling their all aluminum frames to upgrade to the lugged carbon. If you live in bear country, its the bike to have because the racket they made could be heard from quite a distance.
  • 1 0
 The year is wrong on that photo though. That's the earlier 2nd gen from 1997. By 1998 they had carbon covering the head tube lug over to hold the thing together. If you want ultra rare try and find the 1996 carbon one with the cast titanium upper rear linkage. I guess I was lucky that I didn't have the creaking issues but I did get the hairline cracks in the lugs.
  • 2 0
 @ebrown123: Both of my friends had the 96 bikes. They sold them after a season, one got back into a hard tail (Cannondale F-Frame), the other got into a Klein Mantra, which was a whole other hot mess. That relationship didn't last long.
  • 3 0
 afaik, those frames were really problematic in terms of creaking and snapping. I do like the looks of the tubing though.
  • 1 0
 I had GT STS DH as well Wink
  • 2 0
 @SlodownU: Agreed. Bought mine (STS DH) from a local GT sponsored racer, who desperately tried to sell me LOBO DH as well. Wink
  • 9 0
 Wyn is actually motoring on that
  • 4 0
 Ahh memories, that head tube angle and that bike almost killed me way back in Banff. They named the rock on the trail I bounced off "Neck Rock" after my accident and three week recovery, my neck still clicks funny to this day. Don't laugh the rock above that one was named "Femur Rock"!
  • 18 0
 Ouch. We named 'Black Dick Rock' for a similar reason. And that the rock took on the name had us all slowing down when we neared it. He's got kids now so he healed up just fine.
  • 6 0
 But but but... How does he ride with that outdated unrideable geometry??!!!??!
  • 2 0
 Totally CGI.
  • 3 0
 Goes to show all the hype of long low slack, anti squat this kashima coat that, doesn't really gain you a massive difference on an average days ride. considering the age difference of the bikes geo frame sise etc. If he was on a middle of the road calibre bossnut he would be pretty much the same speed as the super bike...
  • 5 0
 I'll bet there's a huge difference in fatigue between the two bikes for the average rider though.
  • 8 0
 @boozed: for sure I was getting arm pump something I never have an issue with on the old bike
  • 1 0
 @wynmasters: Suffer Wyn! Ha ha.
  • 4 2
 I can't stop staring at how bad that fake shallow depth of field "photoshop" job is on that pic of the 97 LTS.... I mean holy cow, don't even try if you're gonna do it that bad. That being said...if that was you that did that Wyn...I still love ya mate, but stick to riding'. LOL
  • 1 0
 haha thanks a lot now i am traped too and cant stop looking wow on the front wheel half of the spokes are missing
  • 3 0
 its a phone app... but yeah they are bad
  • 1 0
 Ha, yeah once you notice it you can't unsee it! Probably shot on a phone in portrait mode or something similar, those generally sucks at isolating things unless it's a face and even then hair can look super weird.
  • 5 0
 that manny lander was all time
  • 3 0
 "You can have fun on any bike" - there it is, if Wyn says it then it's true. On another note, looks like he was using close to original rubber on that run too!
  • 1 0
 Awesome vid! Properly pinned down that rock garden on the old girl. The modern kit may not be *that* much faster, but it gets you out of trouble when it all goes rowdy. GT so need to bring back the ball burnished look. And the splatter graphics.
  • 3 0
 I cant really see a difference between bikes both have two wheels, and they manual very well. Good one Wyn
  • 4 0
 He's fast. He's faster than you.
  • 2 0
 That was the first FS bike I rode...demoed it at Mammoth. Way faster then the steel Karakoram (with MAG21) which was my regular ride
  • 2 0
 Dear god tell me he had bar ends in... it didn’t look like it from the last shot...
  • 6 0
 Nah pretty much straight as it came from the eBay pick up
  • 1 1
 Let me start by saying great video. But imagine...for a second...that any major automobile or technology company had to put out a video trying to say your old shit was garbage in a polite way for a second.
  • 1 0
 What tires were on the old LTS? Looks like Z-max. But a 12.5% gain in 20 years is not much, could be down to the tires and brakes Smile
  • 1 0
 yeah Z max tires
  • 1 0
 Killer, I remember them bikes well and I knew Wyn would be fast but jesus, not that fast or smooth. More stuff like this PB, please.
  • 5 7
 I don't know if Wyn gave his LTS a fair shake. His only has a Z2 with 75 mm of travel instead of a Z1 with 100 mm which better matches the rear 100+ mm travel. Also both the frame and fork could have taken period disc brakes such as the Hayes so he shouldn't be complaining about the v-brakes. I had the STS version in 1997 and you couldn't get pivot bushings for it back then so you would have to be a GT factory rider to find them today. It's nice that he covets that bike the way we covet his skills.
  • 8 0
 Tbh the XT v brakes weren’t actually bad I think the cables were fresh, the Wheels flexing in to the brakes on every corner was kinda sketchy though. The fork was ahead of the shock too
  • 1 0
 @wynmasters: xt parelell push brakes were the bomb
  • 1 0
 I've got one of the old frames hanging up in my garage. Reminder of scary days.
  • 2 0
 Man I wanted one of those back in the day!
  • 2 0
 Wyn wins the Internet yet again! Cheers mate
  • 1 0
 It should be mandatory to watch this video before being granted the privilege of commenting on PB!
  • 1 0
 Oh man, his facial expressions and calm demeanor on the chair lift bit cracked me up!!! hahah that was good.
  • 2 0
 Wyn should do the grind donut review video !!
  • 1 0
 But is there ever going to be such a thing? I bought my goddam T-shirt.......now it looks like they are scrubbing the whole project?
Guess I shouldn't feel surprised.......
  • 1 0
 @RayDolor: "now it looks like they are scrubbing the whole project" did I miss some news?
  • 2 0
 Notice he's running a mullet setup?
  • 2 0
 Actually, i think he hit the jumps nicer on the older bike tbh...
  • 4 0
 Probably cause on the old bike you have to be as smooth as possible or thing won’t go well
  • 1 0
 It would be so 2020 if the new line came out and all the bikes were replicas of the 1997 LTS
  • 1 0
 Got a 1996 LTS about 5 years ago, not got round to building her up yet, may now is time!
OR may be not?
  • 1 0
 In essence, if you have the skills to pay the bills you'll make any bike rip.
  • 1 0
 He cheated, the LTS didn't come with a plush Z2, but with a Judy! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Haha yeah the Fork definitely worked better than the shock on this one
  • 1 0
 In 1997 trails and parks were not manicured and smooth like nowdays.
  • 1 0
 Is this Klinovec Trail Park?
  • 1 0
 Yes, Trail Park Klinovec Smile
  • 1 0
 next can we have LTS v iDrive
  • 1 0
 I miss WynTV...f*ck covid.
  • 4 0
 got a little something coming for you soon
  • 1 1
 that trail was pretty smooth might as well been on a steep driveway and dirt track
  • 1 0
 Grip it and rip it!!
  • 1 0
 That was awesome!
  • 1 0
 Just made me a fan
  • 1 0
 I built up one of those back in 99", a STS 1000 thermoplastic frame with double crown 4" travel Rockshox "Judy's' and IRC Kujo tires and towed a Bob trailer down the Great Divide bike trail. it was a good time. The 67 degree seat angle looked pretty funny with the seat jacked but that bike was alot of fun to ride.... and it was plastic
  • 1 1
 Also, no hate. But your old junk is...junk.
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