Welcome to the 2021 Field Test: Trail & Enduro Bikes

Nov 23, 2020
by Mike Levy  


WELCOME TO THE 2021
PINKBIKE FIELD TEST
10 Trail and Enduro Bikes Ridden and Rated


Words by Mike Levy, photography by Tom Richards


The modern mountain bike is an incredibly versatile machine that, depending on a few factors, is probably far more capable than whatever category name we're using to describe it. That's certainly accurate of the cross-country weapons we reviewed last time around - who knew that 100mm could work so well? - but it's even more true if we're talking about trail and enduro bikes, with many becoming so well-rounded and competent that the lines between them can get a bit muddy. Want an EWS-winning bike that won't feel like a lead sled during your all-day missions and huge climbs? Not a problem in 2020. Looking for a short-travel trail bike that won't kill you while you're trying to chase your long-travel buddies? Yup, there are definitely some of those around as well.

With so many able to do so much, the right thing for us to do was get a whole bunch of them to review; five are trail bikes with differing takes on what matters, while the other five are more likely to be seen at an enduro race or lapping the bike park.


2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo

2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
The 2021 Field Test includes ten of the newest, most interesting trail and enduro bikes, all of which saw countless laps against the clock.



The Field Test Bikes

How do we decide which bikes to include? While there are no set-in-stone rules, the list needs to have a combination of interesting, important, all-new, or notable checked off, with all ten of our contenders meeting some or all of that criteria. Yeah, we know the bike you wanted to read about isn't here, but we'd rather get to know ten bikes real well than only scratch the surface of what twenty are all about.


5 Trail Bikes

While it might seem like the most ambiguous category, you might also say that the name says it it: To be a trail bike, they shouldn't have any issues riding most trails. Within reason, of course - they don't need to feel cross-country efficient or enduro capable, but it doesn't hurt if they're not far off. And some of the newest examples do exactly that.

Many brands don't just have slightly different takes on what a trail bike should be, they also offer different variants that dial-up certain traits, almost always at the expense of others.

For our purposes, rear-wheel-travel was capped at 140mm, and forks needed to have 160mm or less. We also wanted to include a spectrum of intentions, from classic trail bike vibes to new-school capability.

With its 130mm of dw link-controlled suspension, Ibis' fourth-generation Mojo filled the role as a sporty trail bike, and it also served as a direct competitor to Specialized's all-new, 130mm-travel Stumpjumper. In case you haven't heard yet, it's ditched Horst Link suspension for the first time in ever and is an entirely new animal. Speaking of animals, you can expect Giant's Trance X Advanced to devour climbs with its Fox Live Valve suspension, which is the opposite of what our final two bikes are meant to do. The 140mm-travel Salsa Blackthorn has a 160mm fork and get-after-it geometry, as does the Actofive P-Train that also adds a high-single-pivot and coil-sprung rear-end.

Tom Richards photo
Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 0
• Travel: 135mm rear, 150mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65.5° head-tube angle
• 77.2° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 486mm (large)
• Weight: 30.7 lb / 13.9 kg
• $8,500 USD

Tom Richards photo
Ibis Mojo 4
• Travel: 130mm rear, 140mm front
• 27.5" wheels
• 65.4° head-tube angle
• 76.6° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 485mm (large)
• Weight: 28.6 lb / 13 kg
• $6,267 USD
Tom Richards photo
Salsa Blackthorn
• Travel: 140mm rear, 160mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.6° head-tube angle
• 76.5° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 490mm (large)
• Weight: 31.9 lb / 14.5 kg
• $7,499 USD

Tom Richards photo
Specialized Stumpjumper S-Works
• Travel: 130mm rear, 140mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65° head-tube angle
• 76° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 475mm (S4)
• Weight: 27.4 lb / 12.4 kg
• $9,499 USD
Tom Richards photo
Actofive P-Train
• Travel: 135mm rear, 160mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.5° head-tube angle
• 76.5° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 480mm (medium)
• Weight: 34.2 lb / 15.5 kg
• 3,440 EUR (frame only, w/o shock)



5 Enduro / Freeride Bikes

Our five enduro and freeride rigs are a mix of evolution and all-new, with Rocky Mountain's 160mm Altitude taking the debut headlines when Jesse Melamed rode the fresh bike to victory on its first public showing. And then again a few more times. Hey, at least we know that one goes fast. Trek's very orange Slash is back with more travel and less head angle, and there's also a fresh soon-to-be announced bike in the house for those who like to combine big travel with small wheels.

Wait, did I hear someone just say freeride?

If you're more interested in sending than racing, we've got two 180mm-travel beasts for you to read about. Norco's Shore A1 is a 37lb monster that uses a high pivot, idler pulley, and a whole lot of aluminum, while Propain's carbon fiber Spindrift employs carbon fiber to create a bike meant to do the same job. Both come with a coil-sprung shock, and both surprised us.

I'm not sure which one Kazimer preferred for the skinnies and which one he liked for going fast, but stay tuned to find out.

Field Test photo Tom Richards
Trek Slash
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.1° head-tube angle
• 75.6° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 486mm (large)
• Weight: 32.5 lb / 14.7 kg
• $8,000 USD

Santa Cruz Nomad
• Travel: 170mm
• 27.5" wheels
• Head angle: 63.7 or 64°
• Seat tube angle: 77.5°
• Reach: 472mm (lrg)
• Weight: 32.6 lb / 14.8 kg
• Price: $7,399 USD
Field Test photo Tom Richards
Norco Shore A1
• Travel: 180mm rear, 180mm front
• 27.5" wheels
• 63° head-tube angle
• 77.7° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 480mm (large)
• Weight: 37.4 lb / 17 kg
• $5,199 USD

Field Test photo Tom Richards
Rocky Mountain Altitude Carbon 90 Rally
• Travel: 160mm rear, 170mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.4° head-tube angle
• 75.4° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 474mm (large)
• Weight: 31.4 lb / 14.2 kg
• $9,099 USD
Propain Spindrift
• Travel: 180mm rear, 180mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64.5° head-tube angle
• 78° seat-tube angle
• Reach: 475mm (large)
• Weight: 33 lb / 15 kg
• $8,599 USD (approx.)


How We Tested

Nothing beats back-to-back testing and that's mostly what the Field Test is all about, but with Corona keeping Mike Kazimer in America and from joining me in Squamish, this cross-border edition of the Field Test was always going to be a bit different. There's a bit less shit talk because of that, but one thing that hasn't changed is the timing we do; the clock was running nearly every time a bike went out, letting us separate feelings from facts on the climbs and descents.


2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo

2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
The film crew: ''Yeah, can you guys try to look better on camera?'' The riding crew: "Yeah, can you guys make us look better?''


Our timed sections were representative of the bikes' intentions, too, with the enduro and freeride rigs facing some serious terrain under Kazimer and the trail bikes not far behind up in Squamish, BC. Yes, I'll always lean towards subjective feel and hastily scribbled post-ride notes over what the clock tells me, but it's neat to see those impressions backed up by cold facts. And especially because timing is one of the last things we do.

One of the first things we do, however, is put all the bikes on matching 'control tires' to try and limit the variables we're dealing with. After all, we want to know how the bike handles and how its suspension performs on equal terms, not on a set of tires that may only last a few months into you owning the damn thing before putting something different on. We decided on Maxxis' Assegai and DHR II tires for the enduro bikes, both with EXO+ casings (Double Down wasn't available in time), while the trail bikes all wore a Minion DHF and Dissector combo with the same casing and sticky compounds. Of course, that'd all be a waste of time if they weren't always inflated to matching pressures.


2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
While all of the bikes had to do plenty of human-powered climbing, nothing beats shuttle runs for timing the downhills.


Aside from swapping to identical rubber, all ten bikes were tested in completely stock form, including the cockpit, seatpost, and any other components. That said, there's a big difference in stock spec between some of our test rigs, with more than $4,000 USD separating the priciest from the least expensive. That's why we focus on overall handling and performance, and also why it's likely that future Field Test series will include some sort of reasonable-ish budget cap.

I mean, are you really surprised when the $12,000 bike is awesome?

NOTE: This year's wide range of prices is thanks to limited availability—everyone is struggling with their supply chains right now, so getting bikes with more evenly matched price tags wasn't possible. That said, we've struggled with pricing every year in the Field Test; brands understandably want to give themselves the best chance at a positive review, so they insist on sending Bezos-priced bikes. That's why next year we're going to implement a hard cap on pricing for each Field Test. I don't know where we'll set that limit yet, but it'll be low enough to make the product managers' jobs harder. We want to actually evaluate their choices rather than just having every bit of unobtanium thrown at the one we try.

2021 Field Test Tom Richards photo
Rider protection for this year's Field Test is from Dainese, and post-ride brews came from Sierra Nevada.


It wouldn't be a Field Test without a dash of bro-science in both directions from the Impossible Climb, Efficiency Test, and the ever anticipated Huck to Flat. As always, Jason Lucas sent all ten trail and enduro bikes, but you'll have to wait until the end of the Field Test to watch it. Who doesn't want to see these bikes use their travel and then a little more in some Phantom-powered slow-mo pornography?

And if you care at all about what happens on the way up, this year's Impossible Climb proved itself to be literally impossible and we wouldn't have it any other way.


Me.
Mike Kazimer
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Notes: Managing Tech editor, 3x as responsible as Levy
Field Test Tom Richards photo
Mike Levy
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 155 lb / 70.3 kg
Notes: Tech editor, patiently waiting for aliens to arrive



With borders closed, travel suspended indefinitely, and it certainly not being the time for group fun, the 2021 Field Test was a bit different than previous editions. So instead of our usual all-encompassing fall extravaganza, this year's was put together by a pared-down video and photography team consisting of Jason Lucas, Max Barron, and Tom Richards who were charged with doing more with less.

As usual, those three did many times the work that Kazimer and myself were tasked with, from riding and filming with a 40lb camera bag all day to then spending all night editing. It's a ton of work, but we all had fun putting these videos together and hope everyone enjoys them. A special thanks also goes out to Ty Deschaine for handling the filming in Bellingham.

Stay tuned for the first Field Test video review that goes live tomorrow, followed by so many more over the coming weeks!


Previous Welcome to Field Test Articles
Welcome to the 2020 Pinkbike Field Test
Welcome to the 2020 Pinkbike Field Trip - Value Bike Edition
Welcome to the 2020 Pinkbike Field Test - Cross-Country Bike Edition





The 2020 Pinkbike Field Test was made possible with support from Dainese apparel & protection, Sierra Nevada refreshments, and Smith eyewear and helmets. Thanks also to Maxxis, Garmin, Freelap, and Toyota Pacific.





544 Comments

  • 436 5
 Yes! I can't wait to see the best bike that money can't buy because it's out of stock for 18 months.
  • 26 1
 I don't mind getting a Slash 2023 Big Grin
  • 112 9
 Speaking of money, did Ibis really send in a 6k+ bike with slx cranks??
  • 8 0
 I see this review more like: get ready for those used 2020s in the marketplace!
  • 11 5
 @rbarbier12: They spent all their money on the Kashima forks.
  • 5 1
 @dolores: So they can fixing the problem with the, "slamming saddle forward syndrom"
  • 8 0
 @dolores: you will probably win it on next years fantasy
  • 7 0
 @rbarbier12: Ibis let’s you modify builds on their website. Very possible the Pinkbike crew specced the bike like that themselves then spent the money on Kashima, frame bags and brakes instead
  • 32 0
 @rbarbier12: Yep, the one bike on here , dare I say it, that people can afford.. (even if its at $6300). The SLX groupset is actually really good, and its still the second lightest bike in the group.
  • 3 0
 @dolores: No worries, You will probably win two of these next year in the fantasy league.
  • 1 0
 @dolores: It will take me that long to save enough money for one of these.
  • 59 1
 @BamaBiscuits: the SLX cranks are a solid choice, but we personally wouldn't spend money on Kashima without going to a Grip2 damper first.
  • 2 0
 @rbarbier12: I'm bagging on that Ibis, too.
  • 4 1
 All I see is a set of Dainese pads with an arrow that points to the most painful place to take a hit without knee pads...and there's no pad.
  • 1 1
 @brianpark: understandable! I probably should’ve said “factory suspension” instead of Kashima.
  • 2 0
 @BamaBiscuits: Ibis doesn't offer other suspension choices on this model, factory suspension across the Mojo 4 lineup.
  • 1 0
 I wonder how many of the comments on a given review are going to be complaints along the lines of: "Hey how come pinkbike got this bike to review, but I ordered this bike 3 months ago and am still waiting."
  • 1 0
 @rbarbier12: maybe that is because of the same reason that sspiff makes above about lead times for complete bikes. Ibis may have spent more money elsewhere on the bike for that price tag but SLX is all they could get for now
  • 1 0
 @BamaBiscuits: Since all of the builds come with Factory-level suspension, they probably got upgraded to carbon rims
  • 1 0
 @rbarbier12: and cassette
  • 7 1
 @brianpark: I'm really annyoed that many brands spec fit4 Ka$hima instead of a performance elite Grip2. Even if you prefer fit4 you will not have a hard time selling the grip2 and picking up a fit4 for 50bucks.
  • 1 0
 @airsoftesneeto: good point... I have a buddy who's been waiting for an XT ripmo for months. Based on what I've heard my money is on the build kit being out.
  • 3 0
 @sspiff: A friend waited for an XT Ripley since late Spring. Ibis offered to switch him to a GX build to get him a bike sooner. He did just that and he's had it for a month now.
  • 1 0
 Considering parts availably all summer/fall maybe it's what was in stock.
  • 2 0
 @KalkhoffKiller: FWIW, the Deore build comes with a Grip2
  • 15 0
 @pmhobson: I'd rather a 6000$ bike come with good suspension, tires and hubs with a dialed frame than a high end drivetrain. All I want is the range for up and down. Deore works super well, especially if it means I have better parts elsewhere. Finally the days of a mid level build with an XT derailleur and crankset to make it look flashy are gone.

SX is the only unacceptable level since it's made out of recycled tractor parts and plastic.
  • 12 0
 @rbarbier12: I get where youre coming from, but slx cranks will have 0 impact on the bikes performace
  • 3 0
 @TheBrosCloset: Totally. That's why I think the Deore build is so brilliant. You could probably purchase better brakes and a nicer shifter at the time of purchase and come out ahead after you sell the take offs (compared to the next build up). Derailleurs are somewhat consumable, so I'd keep the Deore on there until it got too beat up.

I'm perfectly content with my slightly over-forked Mojo 3, so I won't be doing anything of that. But it's nice that there's an option.
  • 2 0
 lol I’ve asked lbs when can I order the ‘22 models
  • 2 0
 @TheBrosCloset: Good points I'd not argue with. I however, am hesitant to have a pound of cassette back there. Having had the experience of feeling a bike come alive after dropping two pounds off a wheelset, I find it a tuff sell to pay more than $5k and get so much drivetrain weight.
  • 12 0
 @rbarbier12: Just how I like it. I got a RIPMO AF with Deore groupo but Fox Factory X2 2021 Shock and the Fox Factory Grip 2 36 160mm. Bargain for what it is. So you can spend money where it counts, then swap some components out later. Rather than having to drop on XT or XX1 Eagle groupo to get the good suspension. I really like the Ibis spec flexibility. Let's you pick your poison.
  • 1 0
 @dolores: except it’ll be a 2021 model that you buy in 2021.
  • 6 0
 Too Be Announced sounds like a great name for a bike company.
  • 1 0
 @flaflow: also a fair point. I guess your taking to someone with a 40lb meta AM so weight didn't really enter my head haha
  • 1 0
 @ReeferSouthrland: They should make the Grim Donut.
  • 1 0
 Wow, I meant to say that it’ll be a 2021 model that you’ll buy in 2023.
  • 3 0
 I think a budget cap is a fantastic idea! I like the idea of value for your money also being a factor as long as it's at the upperish end of the spectrum, but eliminates the money is no object builds. Probably more reflective of the high end bikes actually being bought.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: lol.. I can't unsee that now.. 'Dai-ne-se' means 'ne-ve moh' in my translation now - just look it up...
  • 1 0
 @rbarbier12: SLX are one of the best cranks money can buy ! Period.
  • 2 0
 @rbarbier12: I know what you're saying. Money was spent elsewere on the bike. But i wanted to put out there that SLX are pretty good. Just get an XT shifter and call it a day.
  • 165 35
 That Mojo is one ugly mother.
  • 80 1
 they are just trolling the e-bike haters with that fuel tank
  • 86 24
 Ibis has had the ugliest bikes for years now...the 'saddle bag' aint helping either.
  • 49 3
 Ugly with or without the bag?

This is very subjective, obviously. I have a Mojo 4 and quite like how it looks, but you're not hurting my feelings.
  • 74 1
 But does it get the job done?
  • 23 7
 For me, I think the bag makes it hard to love. But if you take that bag off, the Mojo is just fine. But the S-works looks like it got hit with the whole tree and not just the ugly stick.
  • 10 4
 @blizzardmk: If it gets the job done who cares. Personally the 'swoopy' looks of the front triangle has always looked bad to me.
  • 17 1
 I saw one in person (no bag) and it was a beauty! color was great too.
  • 8 1
 It may not be a looker, but I bet it does the job.
  • 7 0
 @MikeyMT: Right on. It does seem like the Mojo design is polarizing. Some love, some hate.

It does, in fact, get the job done. I went from a 2015 HD3 to the new Mojo 4 and was pleasantly surprised with how much difference the geometry and suspension kinematic updates made.
  • 22 5
 @MikeyMT: Yeah, I am not terribly picky about how my bikes look, but there is only one reason I don't own a Ripmo AF - it's the ugliest bike I've seen in a long time. I did a Jeffsy AL + upgrades just because I knew I'd be a little bummed every time I looked at the Ripmo and those curved tubes that belong on a 2012 bike from K-Mart.

Also, if you own and/or love how Ibis' look, good for you! They are sick bikes to ride, so maybe you either have better taste than I do, or are just less shallow than I am. Probably both. I'm likely the loser here, missing out on riding a Ripmo every day.
  • 8 0
 @Svinyard: Everytime I see an ibis I'm always suprised at how much better they seem to look in person compared to on a computer screen
  • 6 2
 Giants looking very nice...ala vitus
  • 51 12
 I've always been a fan of the Mojo's looks, even with the bag. Function!
  • 5 0
 The Mojo 3 in red looked really good, imo. Haven't been crazy about other colors, I like the look of the ripley the best out of their lineup.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy: I like the looks of Ibis bikes, and I am biased as an owner of a V1 Ripmo, but that porkchop bag is something only a mother could love. It isn't just sexy...it's functional too! Reminds me of a fanny pack for some reason. I opted for a frame strap to hold a tube along with a OneUp setup.
  • 5 0
 Having ridden both, I think the Ripmo would have been the more appropriate bike for this category. Also the Pivot Switchblade..
  • 4 0
 @SlodownU: The SWITCHBLADE! Its basically a Ripmo V1 clone...ultimate longer travel trail bike. I think the V2 is a bit more versatile/rowdy than the V1 and Switchblade...but damn is that Switchblade an incredible bike!
  • 9 0
 @Auto-XFil: lol. My buddy always says to me...if you're gonna spend that much you damn well better think it looks badass everytime you put your leg over it.
  • 1 0
 @Svinyard: Agree. I think both of those bikes would rule the trail bike category. I've ridden both, and they move the trail-game up a level.
  • 3 6
 @davec113: so does a fat hooker but doesn't mean I want to ride one.
  • 6 3
 @MikeyMT: I dunno, santa Cruz is in competition with their puke and diarrhea paint jobs
  • 4 3
 @davec113: hey, your mom gets the job done, but she ain't easy on the eyes either...she is much cheaper though.

sorry, had to. Big Grin
  • 1 1
 @mikelevy: Yes funkshun, that bag that looks like it stolen from passed out hippie but I'll take it over a hidey hole for doobies in the down tube.
  • 5 1
 @conoat: Haha, at this point Ibis should just lean into it and adopt the motto: "Gets The Job Done!" Wink
  • 2 0
 @davec113: Just like Box saying "Nine is fine" Yes please, give me the FINE setup, thank you.
  • 1 0
 @MikeyMT: 100%
  • 7 0
 @mikelevy:

How about a PB poll:

Would you prefer to look at
1. An Ibis frame
2. Levy in the XC shootout racing kit

Neither can be unseen so sometime function is not what is important!
  • 1 0
 @davec113: it gets the job done for $6300
  • 19 1
 @pink505: What about me in Lycra on the Ibis?!
  • 6 0
 @mikelevy: Universe collapses upon itself and starts from scratch. We're probably due anyway.
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy:

Crap I visualized it... probably not fair to Ibis or the internet in general.

On the "budget" for the review in practice it is a good idea but in terms of clickbait I am more likely to look at the other extreme. Refuse to accept anything not top end... send us only your highest bike available to the public or don't bother! Ridicule all bikes under 10k and the seat that didn"t have titanium rails...do we really care if the Honda civic is better then the Toyota Corolla in 2021? More bro science and less of the low+mid range stuff I might actually buy.

If the universe collapsed and mountain biking restarted with the grim donut?
  • 1 2
 @pink505: I find the bikes that cost as much as much as the down payment on a house and are only marginally better than the ones half the price utterly depressing as a reflection of the worst of human weaknesses, and I can't resist budget bike comparos even though I would never own anything less than SLX level.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: and with roadie shoes on top of that!!
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: no please, enough...we've learned our lesson ;p with the previous XC bike test sessions.
  • 2 2
 @Veggiemoto: I will happily concede that a $12,000 bike is only marginally better than a $7,000 bike (Canadian dollars, whatever that is in usd), but a $7000 bike is easily 3x as good as a $4000 bike and anything below that wouldn't meet most peoples minimum requirement for riding anything black rated or above.

Poor suspension is awful to ride on and a cheap set of wheels wont survive under an even half way decent rider. Mid range everything else is fine but that still sets a pretty high minimum bar.
  • 2 0
 @Veggiemoto: The better budget bikes come with SLX these days!
  • 1 0
 What if straight lines weren't the strongest application of carbon fiber?
  • 1 0
 @davec113: come on ibis so your job!
  • 1 0
 Fanny pack for a bike frame. Not a cool water bladder fanny pack either, but a fake leather 80's fanny pack. I'd rather tape a spare tube/tool to my frame.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy:

Not a trend I want to see the bag thingy that is.
  • 1 0
 Word@conoat:
  • 70 0
 That Salsa's paint job, yes please.
  • 9 0
 Looks like we've finally turned the corner away from orange(but trek), green, yellow.
Vitus may have the best paint jobs '21
  • 5 0
 @jrocksdh: Purple is the new black. It seems like it’s popping up on a few bikes these days. Looks great on that Salsa.
  • 15 0
 @TheR: It's been somewhat disturbing watching MTB emulate the worst of BMX colorways from a decade ago. As soon as the oil slick starts to disappear it will be replaced with shiny copper.
  • 3 0
 Salsa 157mm rear axle.. no thanks.
  • 2 0
 @gibspaulding: Shiny copper would look so amazing on my 2019 Sight C1! Sign me up!
  • 57 2
 The Grim Doughtnut should be included in this field test for the timed segments.
  • 2 0
 *Donut (And please put control tires on the Grim donut unlike in the downcountry field test)
  • 42 1
 I've never heard of an Actofive P-train, but I'm pulling for that bike to win the trail category. Steel fully, 34 pounds, high idler pulley - that's the underdog right there!
  • 14 2
 too bad that’s the prototype, actual bike will be cnc‘ed rear and front, all aluminium:

www.mtb-news.de/news/actofive-p-train-cnc-infos-preise

dunno why they are not testing the real thing
  • 3 0
 @Sethimus: Probably because Simon didn't have multiple CNC frames when he shipped the steel one over to PB. Maybe that was even before the first one was finished.
  • 8 0
 @Sethimus: I'll take mine in steel, Thankyouverymuch!
  • 5 0
 Really can’t wait to see how this bike rides compared to the large volume branded bikes. Love the look of this thing.
  • 19 5
 3500eur frame only no shock... for a heavy ass frame, yeah sure I'm in...
  • 1 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: Thanks James! I'll take a look - cheers
  • 12 4
 @ybsurf: you don't buy a one-off hand made frame from some guy who only makes 20 of them a year for the low price
  • 18 0
 It's an impressive descender! That HSP and coil-sprung CCDB do the things. Doesn't hurt that it's gorgeous, too.
  • 5 2
 @mikelevy: my druid is really good lighter and looks as good
  • 9 0
 @ybsurf: As much as I like the Druid, its not manufactured and designed in Germany and built in really low quantities.

So 3400€ sounds fair.

Labour and tools in Germany aint cheap. And taxes..
  • 3 0
 @Sethimus: This is the real thing as well. The steel frames are available to buy too.
  • 4 2
 @ybsurf: I think the criteria was ugly, expensive, heavy - choose 3. I really hope it performs well.
  • 1 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: Relieved that Simon explains the origin of the P-train name, I was worried he was just taking the piss.
  • 43 1
 Budget cap is a great idea.
  • 30 1
 Honestly, it's more impressive to see what companies can do with $3k than with $12k...
  • 19 3
 @bishopsmike: We're thinking maybe a $5,000 or $6,000 cap. What do you think?
  • 15 0
 @mikelevy: 5k cap would be good; limit the components to mid spec and really let the frame design have to do all the work
  • 9 0
 @mikelevy: Well $5,000 seems to be the new $3,000 ????
  • 5 1
 @mikelevy: A lot bikes with XT or GX seem too be priced between 5,000 and 6,000 so I think capping at 6 makes sense.. forces companies to send a mid level build.
  • 10 3
 @bikehard11: 6k bike, are you serious. 99% of the world can't afford a 6k bike. I can't afford a 6k bike.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy: 3k seems to be entry level now days, but 5 is still above what many are willing to pay up front - especially since the few cheaper components get upgraded if the bike is owned for a few years. So how about somewhere in the middle, around 4k? That still allows for decent component, maybe or maybe not a carbon frame, etc.
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 @mikelevy: next year companies provide frameset only, capped at 4k RRP. Allow them to specify the fork damping tune to balance front/rear. Sponsors provide 5 of everything else, same wheels, same fork, same cockpit, same drivetrain, same everything.
  • 6 0
 @mikelevy: a $5k cap would be at the end of what's feasible for most of us and could be more useful
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 @mikelevy: vote for 6
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 $4k or 3400€ would be a nice cap for getting to see a huge variety of components.

Around that price point you'll get both carbon and aluminium frames and componentes, drivetrains from NX all the way to XT, and brakes from 2 piston Sram Level's to 4 piston Code's.

I think it would make for a far more interesting field test seeing such wildly varying specs, so someone looking to buy a new bike will be able to extract much more useful information out of such a field test.

Plus the bikes will be in a realistic price point for most people.
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 @mikelevy: Interesting idea for an extended episode or limited series: Take a page from Top Gear and start with a basic budget for bikes. Run them through a series of challenges, then have the rider make some upgrades and changes of their choosing and see whose bikes fair the best!
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 @PeaFunk: Yeah I'd agree - I COULD afford a $6k bike but tend to buy the mid $4k bike with the frame I want, shred the stock components HARD for a few months, and then start rotating them out for stuff I actually like/want over time.

$6K is hard to swallow unless you just have a single hobby and don't mind putting every penny toward it.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: I'd go for 6k, a little bit of bling can't hurt. I guess the budget reviews will be there as well?
  • 5 0
 @nsp234: Yup, for sure. We'd still do regular Field Testing (w/ a price cap) as well as a value Field Test.
  • 35 0
 I'd like to genuinely say thank you to PB for putting such high quality stuff out. It's been a great distraction during the pandemic.
  • 9 0
 Stoked you're stoked Smile
  • 1 0
 Yep. I’ll still read and enjoy every word even though I’m not very interested in these particular bikes. Always learn a thing or two that has general application.
  • 36 3
 Inb4 people whining "but you didn't include MY favorite bike from a different manufacturer! This isn't a complete or comprehensive comparison!!!"

Fleet looks sick. Can't wait to see some frames bend on the huck to flat!!!
  • 71 0
 Well Pole didn't send them another bike
  • 91 0
 @Arepiscopo: they might take another crack at it next year
  • 2 1
 Sounds like they aren't hucking the xc/trail bikes... wonder if the manufacturers all got scared after 2 bikes getting damaged last year
  • 14 0
 @Upduro: I laughed so hard my sides split... badum tsss
  • 34 0
 @adrennan: The jump/drop is always appropriately sized - we'll never not huck Smile
  • 8 0
 @Arepiscopo: Even the prototypes are backordered!
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: thoughts on that Smith helmet, please?
  • 1 0
 Others will obviously feel different, but I’m not that interested. Like someone else said, not even sure that’s the right bike from Ibis.
  • 2 0
 @gbcarmona: It's my third one - they're comfy for me and I like how they look.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: thanks for your reply...my worry is the heat...I had a Koroyd Endura MT500 and found it a bit too hot. Now on the POC Tectal...but I will get one to try.
ps- get back on the podcasts!
  • 1 0
 @gbcarmona: They're def not the breeziest helmet out there! Back to Pinkpods soon Smile
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: I'm defo NOT a pinker! seriously...im not! lol...but I like your no-BS positive attitude vs Kaz's grumpy one... ps- what has Transition done to Kaz in the past...everyone rates them except him?
  • 33 1
 Love the plan for '21 field test in putting a cap on pricing. That's going to make the big boys need to really think about which options they send, and will really give the DTC brands a leg up. I vote cap it at $5k and see what happens Smile
  • 1 0
 I vote $4k for more variety
  • 25 1
 To be announced????? Haven't heard of that brand before...
  • 24 2
 Loading up the highest res image it looks a bit like a nukeproof head badge. And the Giga is supposed to drop any day now....
  • 34 2
 @Richt2000:

I was hoping it would be the new nomad Frown
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 @Solorider13: from the headbadge in the photo my first guess was SantaCruz. Looks like a square black badge with white lettering.
  • 30 0
 NEW NOMAD! It has a Burgtec stem and no other company uses them but Santa Cruz. Also 27.5.
  • 6 3
 I would put a few lazy dollars on it being Transition
  • 5 0
 @Solorider13: looks like a SC head badge to me.... i think it probably is the Nomad.
  • 4 0
 @sooner518: also looks like burgtec mk3 enduro stem and SC are the only ones who spec those afaik
  • 5 0
 It also looks to me like it has Reserve wheels with DT 350 hubs @willdavidson9595:
  • 1 0
 @willdavidson9595: is that a Burgtec or the DMR defy stem?
  • 2 0
 @Slowpeddler: I woulda said the new Patrol as well, but it looks like the rear brake cable is internally routed, which is a big Transition no-no. Doesn't "quite" look like the Anvl stem either. Also, the bike that was blurred out has the old swoopy lines, not the new straight lines.
  • 1 0
 I really really wanna see the range, but I don't think that's it.
  • 5 0
 95% sure it's the new Nomad.
  • 3 0
 Seems to be the new Nomad. It's hard to tell with the head badge, but the Nukeproof logo would be way easier to spot. Between SC and Transition, the cable routing is the same than the Hightower. I do find the grey and purple colors to be SC like.

My guess is the new Nomad; I've read a rumors about the new Patrol to be announced beginning of next year.
  • 1 0
 I have been waiting for one of these to be announced
  • 3 1
 Answering the question "what bike is that" is strickly Forbidden.
  • 1 0
 @Solorider13: For sure is!
  • 2 0
 @deiru: forbidden is 29/mx whereas the unknown bike appears to be 27
  • 2 1
 @willdavidson9595: On the blurred screenshot i took seems like a bigger wheel on the front to me.
  • 1 0
 @doric2806: grey and purple a bit like lavender and with the yellow marking...SC
  • 1 0
 Maybe it’s the new Forbidden bike that was spied on earlier in the year
  • 1 0
 It’s going to be the new Nomad.
  • 1 0
 @deiru: Hmmm...there are rumours that Forbidden is coming out with a longer travel follow-up to the Druid.
  • 1 0
 @big-red: "rumours" is putting it kinda lightly when you can see the proto every day on lewis buchanans insta
  • 2 0
 @bikefuturist: Shhhhhh. It's a secret.
  • 2 0
 New canyon is being released 1st of December
  • 1 0
 Today I heard from reliable sources that the new Jekyll will be hitting the shops in March so this could be the one !
  • 1 0
 @Balgaroth: Did your source mentioned the wheel size?
  • 1 0
 @doric2806: saddly no we are not too concerned about wheel sizes to is it's mostly marketing fluff.
  • 1 1
 @Balgaroth: haha, pas trop pour moi. Je préfère 27.5 et je veux juste acheter un cadre alors j'aimerais garder mes roues et fourche Smile . Les 29 fonctionnent bien c'est juste une préférence.
  • 24 5
 Can't wait. Will be rooting for Ibis, just because it's the last 27.5er standing.
  • 1 0
 shore??
  • 1 0
 i now see you meant in the trail category, my bad!
  • 16 0
 Man, I had been considering building an altitude, but $3700 for a frame is not happening
  • 7 0
 Man, I was kinda thinking about the whole Alloy 30 for $3500...
  • 3 0
 @iduckett: some small increases over the 2020 and a $500 increase, but there’s an $800 increase in for the frameset and all that they changed is the shock from a DPX2 to an X2.
  • 1 0
 wrong thread
  • 2 1
 @onlyDH: Yea that’s a little steep for me. Guess that’s what they’re charging for race winning hardware these days!
  • 1 0
 I did consider it, but no alloy frame... I don't want carbon and it's too expensive anyway.
  • 1 0
 @onlyDH: Just like Trek...frames are the same for ten years...
  • 2 0
 @markiza: this is a 23% increase, taking the shock price into account.
  • 12 0
 So everyone says the S Enduro set the benchmark for enduro riding last year; I hope they mention it compared to the new bikes this year.
  • 31 0
 Yep, you'll see that in the roundtable comparison section.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Awesome. Thanks for this as it was one of the principal things about last years that could improve it even more.
  • 10 0
 @mikelevy i think next year a budget cap of 5000 USD is a good place to set it. you can get carbon bikes with mid-range (GX eagle-level) parts or some aluminum bikes with top of the line components. That and it's a nice even number
  • 6 0
 Yup, that's what we're thinking as well Smile
  • 14 1
 You should have reviewed the (insert commenters bike here).
  • 20 1
 Banshee Knolly Whyte Transition
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 Forbidden druid
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 Vitus, polygon
  • 7 0
 @ybsurf: Yeah Where is the druid?!
  • 77 2
 Grim Donut
  • 5 0
 hahhaha, hate to be that guy, but i think Kaz should've included that Meta Tr he's been riding this whole Covid season, very nice looking bike and he definitely shreds it
  • 11 0
 Devinci Troy
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 @Narro2, there's only so many bikes we can include, and I already did a full review of the Meta TR: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-commencal-meta-tr-29-signature.html.
  • 7 0
 Transition Sentinel V2
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: I'm going to be very disappointed if the grim donut doesn't make an appearance.
  • 4 0
 MDE Damper
  • 3 0
 Commencal Clash
  • 1 0
 @Lhillgamer: iirc @mikelevy said they are gonna shamelessly murder it by testing how much force can that head angle survive... so it could be already hanging somewhere in the PB HQ...
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Which group would the meta TR belong in?
  • 1 0
 @gramsquanch: it doesnt have room for waterbottlecage sadly
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: fair enough, maybe the Meta AM... I am surprised they havent sent any of those for review to any of the important sites.
  • 1 0
 @Narro2: because there is no bike, all sold out
  • 2 0
 Kavenz VHP16
  • 3 0
 @bikeflog, there’s supposedly on one the way in the near future. Fingers crossed.
  • 3 0
 @KalkhoffKiller: new stumpjumper evo. I Wonder if it's the New benchmark for aggresive trail bikes as S Enduro is for enduro category.
  • 1 0
 Bird aeris am9!
  • 9 0
 good stuff! Cant wait to start seeing the vids. The only shame is that last years winner isn't back to defend its title or be compared to this years offering.
  • 8 1
 Wow these trail bikes, We would have called them "Enduro" not too long ago. So what happened to "All Mountain" and "Super Enduro"? :-) And what are we going to call shorter travel trail bikes that are not quite "Down Country"?
They all look amazing nonetheless, it's interesting to see where this going.
  • 4 0
 Agreed, some of these so-called "Trail bikes" aren't too trail bike-y haha
  • 11 2
 Hey Pinkbike! Where’s that new Devinci Troy you teased forever ago? Would have been great to see that bike included here.
  • 5 1
 @freeinpg I thought their article a few months back was sufficient. Saw one of the purple ones on trail a couple weeks back and it looked so damn good.
  • 2 0
 @Gmang: that first look alluded to a few months of testing...was hoping for a full review. That purple is so sick! Ordered one straight away.....buuuttt 2020 is a terrible year to really want a new bike!
  • 9 0
 To Be Announced... You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.
  • 19 0
 New Nomad I hope!
  • 15 0
 Looks like a Santa Cruz. Probably the new Nomad.
  • 8 0
 Grim Donut, obviously
  • 9 0
 The headtube looks like Santa Cruz to me... Has to be a new Nomad )
  • 7 1
 Looks like a nukeproof head badge to me
  • 23 0
 Probably the new SantaProof Gigad, combining the best attributes of both brands: it'll cost $21k and can only be ridden with flat pedals.
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flag eugenux (Nov 23, 2020 at 8:00) (Below Threshold)
 @weezyb:

What there is to hope for now?, 27.5 wheels?, what is this, 2014 again?, such a let down.

480mm reach in Large?

Looking at the numbers, this screams "I don't know how to ride but I'm looking cool doing it"

Again, exactly when I had high hopes for SC, after a period where they stopped making bikes for posers...they do it again, directly from the manual "how to be a poser mtb-er in 7 easy steps"
I loathe them again!
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 New patrol?
  • 1 0
 Interesting that it is a Shimano build on it
  • 13 1
 @eugenux: what's your problem? want 29" ? Get a Megatower. Bike sizes are pretty much irrelevant these days - you can up-size or down-size as you please. The seat tube no longer gets in the way, neither will the standover.

Care to explain your last paragraph? ...or don't even bother, it seems that your issue with the brand has more to do with your own perception than with their actual bikes.
  • 8 0
 @eugenux: you sound like a real independent thinker type...
  • 3 0
 RIOT RIOT RIOT
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 Brand new Nukeproof frame.
  • 1 1
 @draftsman: leaked nukeproof builds did not include shimano drivetrain
  • 4 0
 Could it be the new Forbidden enduro bike? Transition patrol? Intense tracer? These brands all use Shimano drivetrains and brakes with fox sus on higher end brands. Low mount shock, for sure. Maybe trunnion mount... Stack height looks like prototype intense, color looks very transition or forbidden....

Maybe a 27.5 free ride version of the Speshy Enduro?
  • 2 0
 Maybe the new longer travel forbidden? Or is that a 29?
  • 1 0
 @cptkabelbinder: that’s what I’m hoping to see!
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flag eugenux (Nov 23, 2020 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 @f00bar:
Megatower is a good bike, especially with cc link giving it 170mm, and a pair of exts. It is f*cking epic, not just good.

As for the rest, of course it is my own perception..what did you expect, your own?
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flag eugenux (Nov 23, 2020 at 10:12) (Below Threshold)
 @CircusMaximus: uuu..loookie-loookie.., one that thinks he's brighter than the rest. Uuuu...nais oh bright one. Why don't you look for me at the bottom of cliff. If I'm not there, just sit nicely and wait me there. Pappy will come soon enough with a bowl of water fo you to drink - and new comments -, you little thirsty..oh, who's a good little thirsty boy?
  • 10 0
 @eugenux: lol thanks for brightening my day with your nonsensical ramblings.
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 @CircusMaximus: my pleasure. Please send me your contact and credit card details for invoicing purposes.
  • 6 0
 I think it'd be hilarious if pinkbike released the review before the embargo was lifted. Like have the bike blurred out in all the photos and the video, and half the text blacked out. In the video they would be like: "for climbing the BLEEP climbs fairly well for a bike with BLEEP mm of travel. I didn't have to reach for the climb switch on the BLEEP shock."
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 @kcy4130: @kcy4130: it would be an interesting thought experiment. Just release a review with spec, geo, and ride impression but no mention of brand or cost. Let the comment section go wild for a bit and then let them find out its a Trek or Specialized or some other big brand.
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flag eugenux (Nov 23, 2020 at 12:28) (Below Threshold)
 @mtmc99: these are no skis or boards. One look at the geo and design and we'll pretty much figure out which brand and which possible model.
  • 2 0
 @eugenux: you are probably right that we would all figure it out anyways but it would be fun if possible
  • 2 1
 @CircusMaximus: is waki back? Haha
  • 1 3
 @Fullsend2-13: I'd wish. unfortunately, we are not that lucky.
  • 5 1
 It really does feel a little empty around here without Waki@Fullsend2-13:
  • 9 3
 As much as I'm entertained by both Mikes, they are both near identical height and weight. I would welcome reviews from Feather or Lightweight and Heavyweight categories as well. Get on and off The Grim Donuts !
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 Yep, they need to add a big guy that pushes bikes hard. In my own demo'ing and research, things like 157 rear end and the stiff linkages that come with them are much more noticeable when ridden by such a rider. Same with 30 lb vs 34 lb enduro and trail bikes. A 160 lb rider that rides moderately fast will be more than fine with a 148 rear, 35 or 36mm fork and a lighter frame. 200 lb dude that shreds... not so much.
  • 9 1
 having testers with different heights and weights would mean they'd need 2 sizes for each bike though
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 @islandforlife: yup - 5 ft 10 - most likely a large frame - but at 160 lbs most people would fall between 5 ft 6 - 5 ft 8 - so most likely a medium frame . i think most people that can afford these bikes - even used - would be in there late 30s and 40s and would not be in the roadie body type like our tester.
  • 2 1
 @etownrider3: I hear ya about tall people... But I know lots of 5'9" to 6' guys that aren't 150/160 lbs... actually I don't think I know anyone that light. Maybe when they were 13? I'm 5'11" and have weighed 175/180 for the last almost 30 years since I was 15/16. They/we ride a large, are in the 180 to 210 lb range and ride hard. Some maybe are a little overweight but it doesn't slow them down... some are just burly dudes.... most race the local enduro circuit. I think that height/weight ratio is probably most typical of those buying these bikes new.
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 @islandforlife: I am willing to bet that there is greater variation in flex from different frame materials and between brands than between 148 and 157. 157 is all about a wider crankset so its easier for designers/engineers to fit 2.6 inch 29ers next to the front chainring without long chainstays.

Plus rear end flex is important and beneficial (when done right). Just ask the Starling Cycles guy
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 @hamncheez: Crankset is still 73mm. I've found 157 rear ends allow designers to build in stiffness where it's not possible... or difficult or just easier with 157... into areas that result in a bike that handles better when pushed really hard. I don't want my rear end squirming and wiggling around when I need it to track where I want it to go. Wider stiffer suspension linkages being one of the benefits... which not only creates a stiffer rear and middle (stays on line), but lets less side load into the shock (stiction) and allows the rear suspension to do it's thing. Similar reasons (along with stronger wheels) are why DH went to a version of 157 a long time ago. But I'd argue we're riding enduro bikes just as hard and in just as difficult terrain as many DH bikes these days... so why wouldn't similar frame design provide similar benefits? It's the same with 38mm forks... it's not needed to have fun, but when you're a bigger person (180 lbs and up) and pushing your bike really hard... and sometimes while exhausted during racing scenarios, having a stiff chassis that goes where it's pointed at high speed without as much deflection that I then have to correct for, is a very good thing. Last fall I demo'd a bunch of bikes... and if designers intended to design flex into rear ends that flexed and wouldn't hold lines on fast off-camber chunky rock slabby stuff (plus ofthers), then those are bikes and designs I'd like to avoid. But it's also about the rider, and the terrain... not everyone needs or wants the same thing from a bike... but after testing I now know exactly what I need/want to help my fat ass go as fast as I want in the kind of terrain I ride... which I find super fun!
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 @islandforlife: the dirty little secret about wider hubs is that they actually make frames and forks less stiff (assuming that is the only change). Basically you are lengthening the amount of material between the load and anchor point, kind of like adding a coil to a spring or adding length to a torsion bar. Yes, the wheels are laterally stiffer and 157 makes it POSSIBLE to make a stiffer rear end, but only because the crank spindle is longer. So an engineer CAN make a wider, stiffer mounting point/link, but it IS dependent on the design.

It's easier to picture how the fork becomes flexier with wider hubs. The crown has to get wider. When you add a fore/aft bending load at the hub, the crown becomes a torsion bar, and since it is longer, it is flexier. Sorry if I ruined your day.
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 @FatSanch: I think you have that wrong. Yes if everything stayed the same and all you changed was the width, then yes, things would be flexier. By by going wider (fork or rear end), it allows designers to add material in ways and areas they couldn't before and the tiny difference in increase to load and anchor point is made up many times over by material added and design modifications that end up with a much stiffer end result. By your logic DH bikes and I guess all bikes should go back to 135 rear ends? DH dual crown forks should get narrower? 157 bikes aren't just being designed with wider rear ends and no changes anywhere else. The width, redesign and material changes/additions starts at the end and moves all the way to incorporate bigger stiffer suspension linkages that help make a stiffer rear end while reducing side loads to the shock. Your statement is so ridiculous and wrong...wtf...
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: adding material doesn't always make things stiffer. Look at the coil spring analogy. It is a pretty non-intuitive concept, so I'm not surprised you don't buy it.

Adding those wider links is adding weight. The frame itself benefits by being as narrow at the axle, and wide at the anchor point. That gives the best stiffness to weight. That's ignoring the needs of the wheel to illustrate the concept.

If you could make a strut that went straight to the front hub from the head tube, that would be the lightest/stiffest possible "fork" you could make. Unfortunately the wheel gets in the way.
  • 6 0
 Looking forward to the video of best value model of each bike. Keep up the great work, these field test videos are really well done.
  • 4 0
 was hoping the ripmo v2 might make an appearance ...although not shiny new, but more of an evolution of previous bike I think it really sits towards the "steep" end of the trail cat but at trail cat weight and "pedal-ability". Plus aesthetically it shames the Mojo.. but likely shares some ride qualities albeit 29'er roll speed !!. We never got a long term review of this bike after a preview glimpse.
  • 5 0
 Isn’t the v2 just a carbon version of the Ripmo AF?
  • 3 1
 @unrooted: I think that might be an easy classification, The AF base build is near 36 pounds without pedals. The frame geo is slightly different ( XL ) admittedly, part of it could have been just setup differences in store. ( stem spacers , etc ). The real difference is in the experience on a ride. Where I live, a 37pd do-all bike is holding you back. Not just from KOM's but from having fun, pushing your fitness and riding with others. Unless it is gravity fed and 80% of riding is not here, then you are not doing yourself any favours. Yes you can say "buy a ripley then" and you would be right. However, buying smart and moving to the v2 ( swapping out say a drivetrain ) you are into a completely different experience. It becomes very capable riding trails/xc and enjoyable getting to the top. It is definitely "live-ier", snappier and the suspension can be run more forgiving when you want and trail savy when you want. So as an "all rounder" I think it is a way better bike and realistically not that much more money. the weight savings is far more then 2 pds. ( like over 5 )
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 @spudreau: you might want to buy a new scale. My NX weighs just under 34 without pedals and that’s with DH brakes... and even then Jesse Melamed was talking about his Slayer weighed 37-38 lbs and I would expect his altitude to be within 2-3 lbs and it doesn’t seem to be holding him back. The difference between a full and empty water bottle is damn near the difference in weight between the AF and V2 frames.
  • 3 0
 @spudreau: you think a carbon ripmo frame is 5 lbs less than the AF??? I believe it’s 2 lbs difference.
  • 2 0
 @unrooted: no I don’t think frame alone is 5lbs lighter then AF. Closer to 2lbs. What I am saying is when buy a V2, not only do you safe weight in the frame but also in the build kit. E.g. suspension , going to air shock and drivetrain. In my case buying the lower end NX kit, selling it back to lbs and buying a used x01 kit ( used but brand new take offs from 2020 bikes right here on pinkbike classifieds for a grand total of $50 more then what I was credited for the NX kit. Pay the very reasonable upgrade fee for carbon bar and bikeyoke seat post . Your well under 30 now. Slighter lighter rubber (think Schwalbe) here) and your into it. FYI - I tried many tire combos , unfortunately started on double assegai exo+ and never could replicate the feel/grip, so in the end I’m back on them with a bit more weight and rolling resistance. Amazing tires. The xl orange AF NX build with plastic demo ride pedals was 35.7 lbs in bike shop hang scale. AF with DVO sus for that price is insanely good value and bike. That wasn’t my point. It was more about how the two bikes can have different intentions and how they aren’t exactly the same. They do have different personalities. E.g. ktm vs husky sort ya deal you know.
  • 9 2
 Surprised the Stumpy EVO isn’t in there, or the Kona Process X.
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 Already reviewed those:

www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-stumpjumper-evo.html
www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-kona-process-x-dl.html

I think we'll do a Stumpjumper vs Evo vs Status cage match video soon though.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: But didn’t you guys also review the “regular” Stumpy? As with everything this year, it’s all running together.

Anyway, these field tests are great. Keep it up!
  • 3 0
 Keen to see if the shockmount on the new carbon stumpy shears off on ride #1 like it did on mine. Also would be cool to mention whether frames fit a proper shock with a piggy back or coil, cuz Spesh did not mention that the new Stumpy is not compatible with any coil shocks - thank god they took a broken return.
  • 2 1
 @MikeyMT: damn that's not good to hear. Pretty surprised they didn't go with the tried and true horst link. Felt like a bit of a downgrade for very minimal weight savings.
  • 5 0
 Ripmo. Ripley V4. Ripmo AF. Ripmo V2. Mojo V4. How many new bike designs with progressive geometry does Ibis need to release before you consider these "non-Ibisy"?
  • 3 0
 I'm excited to see the results, a bunch of very cool bikes here. I'm a big fan of the field tests. Last year your guys budget trail bike test convinced me to get the virus mythique and I've been so happy since then. Absolutely love the bike, and for a younger rider without tons of disposable income, it's nice having something so sick that I could actually afford haha. You guys rock!!
  • 2 0
 Fucking auto correct lmao. Of course it switches vitus to virus haha.
  • 4 0
 Nice choice - I really enjoyed that bike! Thanks for the kudos Smile
  • 3 0
 Here's an idea for the 2021 edition:

Start with the pinkbike editors creating preliminary lists of say, 15 bikes in each category that the manufacturers are able to provide for the field tests. This step lets pinkbike maintain their relationships with the manufacturers.

Then have a reader poll to pick the top 5 bikes that readers most want to see field tested.

From there, let the pinkbike crew get at it with the bikes the readers most want to see.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy How is curling camp!? Also, a long time ago I met you on a couch at the Santa Cruz HQ when you were testing out the new Santa Cruz e-bike. You were looking for good Taco places. I said they were all in SF. Did you end up going there?
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 I remember meeting you on that couch! That was a fun trip. I'm not sure where we ended up but I know that I ate all the tacos haha
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 Rather than cap the budget on the bikes, I'd rather see them focus on a 'frame' test. Control tires, and everything else they can within reason. I hate reading about the latest wonder bike and wandering shimano bite point or tires with thin casing tires, soft rims, etc - those are all things you can fix or avoid altogether if you build your own. The frame defines the bike, that's what I want to hear about. And for the record, I love my Shimano brakes...all 5 sets. Just tossing an example out there.
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 Probably not realistic, but you're right it would be intriguing. On the other hand, it ignores how 99% of people buy bikes, and all the work product managers put into shock tunes, etc.

Every once in a while I look into doing it this way, and then I give my head a shake. It already takes us stupid long to make these things. We'll see...
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 @mikelevy @mikekazimer Will be super interested to see how the 27.5 bikes fair. Feels like every 27.5 bike review I read these days goes along the lines of “Hey we forgot just how much fun 27.5 bikes were, super poppy and agile, made us want to find new cheeky lines, hit every jump, and just fool around”. I read this as them being better all round bikes if not the absolute absolute fastest at bashing STRAVA lines. But even then the difference is marginal.
  • 4 2
 Would love to see these test with different size riders, short, tall, fat, skinny. 5'10 160lbs riders will have a much different experience on the bikes vs a 6'2 220 lbs or a 5'1 120 lbs rider.
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flag bikerider888 (Nov 23, 2020 at 7:35) (Below Threshold)
 And the same tires on all bikes.
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 I'd like to see you guys kit these bikes out with a consistent component spec. Cut out as many differences as possible and really get down to the performance of the frame. Yeah it might not sell as spec'd but do it for science!
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 I could see weight, but different height would require the manufacture to send multiple bikes. Definitely possible but idk if it is worth it to the companies.
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 @bikerider888: wow I wish we'd have thought of putting control tires on. Smile
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 @rarrity: I was just thinking this. I don't know the inner working of PB, but in my imagination they have a stash of the latest and greatest components. And for these tests, they just get frames sent to them... then build them out with the same fork, brakes, drivetrain, wheels/tires, etc.

I don't really need a review of the components (in a field test)… and it would also mute some of the weight differences.
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 @Baller7756, I think your imagination is a little overly-optimistic. The logistics of building up 10 different bikes from scratch would be quite difficult. Plus, don't you want to hear about the components that impress us or left us disappointed?
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 @Baller7756: They should just get frames and pick the winner by which company followed the instructions the best without even riding them. Oh wait I am confusing the field test with the last few rounds of the PB Academy....
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 @mikekazimer: Yeah... that was pie in the sky. I suppose requesting or targeting bikes with similar spec levels would be the next best thing... i.e. GX builds vs GX builds.

But to answer your question... no I'm not interested in components info in a bike test (this is why they should be spec'd similarly)... I do want to hear about components in a components review or comparison.

We know the bikes with the 38's will be stiffer, we know the bikes with XO will shift and pedal up better, we know the bikes with carbon wheels will have more pop and speed.

Kinda like those S-Works bikes in the XC/DC test... it was hard to differentiate from pure bike performance versus component performance.

Still appreciate the effort and opinions though.
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 @mikekazimer: which components impressed or disappointed is useful in a budget field test or next years $5k caped one but isn't that relatable for bikes costing 5 figures as it's not really applicable to most of us. I want to know however if that frame will perform as well in the $4-5k build that I might buy!
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 @mikekazimer: Excellent suggestion @Baller7756. Compare the actual 'manufacturers bike', and not the sum of it's mix matched parts. Component spec choice is so dependant on your budget, whereas the core of the bike frame stays pretty similar throughout the whole range. Include modern geo bikes, but also include the outliers.
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 @ShortJeffsyOwner: Yes, well said.
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 My money is on the Nomad being the missing bike
  • 6 2
 I must be getting old because I completely skipped over the enduro bikes except for that trek slash...
  • 5 0
 At least no Poles will get disintegrated in this test
  • 2 1
 I think the key takeaway is to make sure that your pole is always stiff under and kinds of forces
  • 3 0
 I can't believe that I'm going to say this, but that Salsa is hot. I guess growing a big bushy COVID beard has made me part of the Salsa fanbase?
  • 1 0
 I know someone who has that exact model/color. Its more than a purple adventure bike. I think it will be surprise in the testing.
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 What's the ETA on that TBA bike?
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 "[Mike Kazimer] Notes: Managing Tech editor, 3x as responsible as Levy"

Thanks for the LOL.

Looking fwd to the tests, although it's a tough season to try and buy a bike when so many are out of stock for the next ~6 months. I think Giant has their Trance X available (as of Nov 2020), but it changes quickly.
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 But isnt 3 times 0 still 0?
  • 2 1
 Do you guys not think that perhaps a couple more test riders is a good idea? The “n” of 2 is a bit lacking..... Perhaps someone that weighs above 170lbs too (good on them for being fit but 155 and 160lbs doesn’t exactly scream average male weight.....)
  • 8 0
 The logistics of a bigger crew just aren't feasible right now with Corona, but they'll be another bigger Field Test with more/bigger riders in the future. Until then, I'll just keep eating candy and see what happens.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: real commitment would see a steady stream of old fashioned sour cream donuts at every meal. I’ll expect to see Levy 2.0 (ie 310 lbs) at next years Field Test....
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 @novicenat-nvan: Mike Hevy
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 @novicenat-nvan: why not have chonky boi Jason have a go?
  • 4 0
 Was kinda hoping the Banshee Prime V3 would make an appearance in the trail bike category. Oh well....
  • 1 0
 The Norco looks designed for another world of park and downhill terrain. Picturing shattered plastic pile that was every other bike and a norco still standing after BIG huck to flat episode. That thing is the only reason the word "freeride" was in this article. should come with a tailgate pad though...
  • 2 0
 I'm more excited about this than I should be for a guy who's not 20. lol

@mikelevy Good job on your oration: Clear enunciation, steady cadence and enough tonal variation to generate enthusiasm.

How many takes?
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 934867
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 So excited to see 180 mm travel bikes with dropper posts, exactly up to my needs. In case of enduro/freeride bikes- could you guys please compare it to last year's winner, the 2020 spec enduro? I'm looking for something that irons out roots as much as possible, but commencal supreme is useless with no lift available.
  • 1 0
 Personally looking forward to the Actofive P-Train and Propain Spindrift. The rest of the bunch, meh. Would have liked to have seen the Deviate Highlander in this mix or an Evil. To many horst link bikes in this roundup, needs more diversity of rear suspension designs.
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 Does anyone else find it kind of cringe to see 8-9k TRAIL bikes weigh over 30 lbs? (Besides the high pivot one, because that’s obvious) but like a trail bike has at least some sort of focus on keep wait down so for nearly 10k I would hope for at least under 30 lbs
  • 1 0
 My 5 year old knolly is as good if not better than these bikes and cost me half what these bikes retail, and I spent 300$ updating the suspension damper and air spring to 2021 specs. And another 100 on a ti spring for the shock. Get a knolly and be done with it
  • 1 0
 When are we going to see reviews written by Clydesdales, for Clydesdales? I am convinced that bikes handle differently for heavier riders. I am 40 lbs heavier than Mike and Mike. I would like to see PB, pickup a reviewer in the +200 lbs weght class.
  • 2 0
 We respectfully submit that there is a bike missing from this test. The SCW1 is ready to go head to head with the very best. We'll see what we can do to blow minds for 2021, so don't forget about us ;-)
  • 4 0
 I'm keen to hear about the Stumpy and Salsa Blackthorn!
  • 6 3
 Its time the Intense Tracer was updated, thats what my money is on for the TBA bike
  • 3 0
 They released their 2021 lineup a while ago, so that's not going to happen
  • 2 0
 Yea that bike is like, 4 years old now. Still an amazing bike mind. Intense used to be fairly progressive with geo. Not any more sadly
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: I know, I own one Smile
Upsized and with a -1⁰ angleset, it rides really nice but I haven't tried a "modern" bike so I can't really compare to anything. But I know for sure they're in the carbon stage of the development of the new carbine, the one isabeau courdurier used at the end of the 2019 season
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 Sorry, wrong answer Wink
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 New nomad?????
  • 2 1
 I'm curious...as far as the choice of bikes in the test, is there influence from the brand's themselves? By influence I mean, brands reaching out both by request as well as financially.
  • 4 1
 We did have one here and it was going to be included in the Field Test, but the timing didn't work out and Devinci needed it back before we could start filming Smile
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 @mikelevy: Not a smart move by Devinci, I gotta say....
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 @JSW07, there's no financial influence as far as what brands are included. We come up with a list of interesting bikes, and then contact the companies to see if they have one we can use for a while.
  • 4 1
 @mikekazimer: did you guys try Cotic?? Would love to see you test one
  • 4 0
 The Giant Trance is the Monsters Inc. 'Sully' edition.
  • 1 1
 Because 2021 needs something to help us forget this start to the decade, what are Pinkbike’s thoughts on a “Trophy of Nations” field test pitting countries (origin of design not necessarily manufacturing) against each other?
  • 4 0
 That Propain must be the finest looking bike ever.
  • 3 0
 That Mojo has to be one of the worst looking bikes in a while. The box looks like a motorbike’s fuel tank!
  • 1 0
 Hey bike industry - my friends are spending disposable income on mods for their 20 year old 4X4s and new dirt bikes. It turns out that riding a 5 year old Enduro-type MTB is still fun - no need to drop another 8k.
  • 1 0
 Re the Impossible Climb - no disrespect to Mike's abilities, but I just watched another Chris Akrigg video, and it made me think you should re-title that segment. Looking forward to the rest of this year's Field Test.
  • 1 0
 OMG now that is indeed beautiful!!!
Needs to be on next year's Field test for sure.
www.mtb-news.de/news/actofive-p-train-cnc-erster-test/?fbclid=IwAR05bhTxjU4sipNHnLu2BmYvpcZH4T5lTwyQ83cDPYsd4Y24k6yKLDIOj_w
  • 4 1
 This Actofive P-Train will make the porn business obsolete and bankrupt.
  • 2 0
 Nothing like pedaling enduro bikes with Garmin Road Pedals to capture the Watts that Levy can produce.
  • 3 0
 Say hello to the Santa Cruz Nomad v5 with 27 wheels!! LOL!
  • 4 1
 Wish the druid was in the trail category
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flag chasintrails (Nov 23, 2020 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 Would be easy win against that line up of bikes
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: I know it's already been reviewed but I hope it gets mentioned in this test as a comparison with more high pivot things coming to market
  • 3 0
 The "to be announced" bike looks a lot like the new nomad...
  • 2 0
 A $7500 Salsa bike? My how times have changed. Can you tell they are just a QBP brand now?
  • 3 0
 I'd ride TF outta that Norco Shore. That's for shore.
  • 3 3
 Having bought a Trance X 29 (in lowly aluminum) during our Melbourne lockdown I'm now nervous the tests will make me feel like I made a mistake, arrgghh.
Shouldn't as I love the bike, but still
  • 3 0
 I got a Trance 29 2 and it is suuuch a sweet bike, it's not a mistake of a purchase
  • 2 1
 Why? All f\s bikes are pretty much good now. The new Trance X is awesome. I can't find anything I don't like about it.
  • 9 0
 That awkward moment when you cannot love your bike until one of the Mikes loves it as well Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @OzarkBike: Same here, loving the Trance X...but reading reviews or looking at prices after you make a purchase is always fraught with the "what if..."
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 @MikeyMT: lmao, I doubt that. Trance is known as a super solid bike. Long as it's not a Stance you're solid haha!
  • 5 0
 The move is to start your bike search by consuming all the reviews, and then once you've finished your bike search unsubscribing from all reviews and only surrounding yourself with enthusiasts that have the same bike/car/moto/headphones/etc. so everyone just stays chilled in a happy little confirmation-bias-bubble. That's what I do anyway.
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 @brianpark: i did for a few weeks, but then this comparo landed Smile
The worst is buying a bike that is then discounted a week later by a large margin, thank covid that ain't happening this time
  • 3 0
 So Bikes get heavier and more expensive every year
  • 4 2
 Wait! Do I see 3 of 5 bikes with 27,5 wheels in Enduro cathegory? Are we back in 2014?
  • 1 0
 Hey pinkbike,

Any chance we can get a comparison to last years winners? It would be interesting to see how they stack up to this round of bikes.
  • 2 0
 Mike K "Managing Tech editor, 3x as responsible as Levy". In my math class I was taught any number times zero is zero.
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 LOL
  • 2 0
 Im only here for the huck to flat and to watch levy climb stuff especially on that steel bike.
  • 1 0
 The optic won trail bike of the year last year with a 4800$ spec so hopefully another not absolute top end build can win again!
  • 1 0
 Yeah! This is what I wanted for the holidays ... well, that and a Heeler puppy, a Helm coil fork, a Hazzard coil shock, snd some underwear Smile
  • 1 0
 No socks?
  • 1 0
 Well done as always @mikelevy @mikekazimer and all the crew involved! Looking forward to reading and watching all these tests!!
  • 1 0
 Whats up with the forward slammed seat on the Slash?
Looks like something I am forced to do on my 2017 XL framed bike not something from 2020..
  • 1 0
 I have my money on the all new specialized carbon hotwalk being the mystery bike. Who said freeride was dead?? That thing hucks! And did you see the HA??
  • 3 0
 No Grim Donut 2.0, huh?
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 No, we can barely keep 1.0 together.
  • 2 0
 I'll take one of each please...
  • 3 1
 Is the new Bike the new Canfield Enduro ot the Nukeproof Giga?
  • 2 1
 Giga should be launched on the 9th of December and it will also be available with 29" wheels, 170-180mm travel.
  • 2 0
 YES , this is what I was waiting for.

Thanks PB ????
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 Yay!
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 Where can I get that water bottle is the critical question.
  • 1 0
 Santa Cruz grips on dark purple frame at the end of the vid at the Smith goggle plug 6:33????
  • 2 0
 yo @mikelevy am I right?
  • 1 0
 yeah, looks like santa cruz carbon bars and burgtec enduro stem - standard C/CC kit on SC bikes these days
  • 2 0
 TIL trail bikes have 160mm travel up front, uh what
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 I know and I agree. Trail bikes with 160mm forks...
  • 1 0
 @mikeKazimer I was wondering if PinkBike buys the things they review like Consumer Reports or ?
  • 2 0
 Nope, they're sent to us by the brands to review and abuse, then we send them back.
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 @mikelevy: Well, that doesn't seem to bad... pity you can't keep them and sell them to help fund the continuation of PB forever (or for local trails organizations?) Thanks for the reply!
  • 2 0
 I have no bike purchases planned. But I REALLY want to see that Norco.
  • 2 1
 Huraaay! Did not read article nor see the video yet, but its bikes again! No reality show ! Huraaay!
  • 1 0
 How come you went for an S4 and not an S5 as it’s shoeter than the rest . Does it feel okay?

@levy
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 475mm reach feels like home to me Smile
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 @mikelevy: I love you ! And then I’m on the Bronson V3 Large ( 459 of reach ) and I’m 3 Cm shorter than you ( I’m 1.75 )
Would I find the Stumpy Evo in S4 too long or just perfect ?

Yes we rode the Bronson in the same size and it feels the best for me.
I love the reach of the S4 just super scared of the wheelbase !

Help please ?
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 @mikelevy: and please don’t ever let them host the podcast on their own ! They have no idea what they re doing those mature people

You re the heart of the podcast and what keeps me going back at it every week !
  • 1 0
 @barbarosza: @barbarosza: if you do a lot of tech climbing, a shorter wheelbase is nice. Also, a shorter reach encourages working on your riding skills when going dh. Or just get an s4 and put the head angle to the steepest, making wheelbase shorter.

@mikelevy never change, you need to balance out kazimers' professionalism. The holy balance.
Can the next podcast be about the term "pinker" and why brian hates it.
  • 1 0
 I'll just leave this here. Seems like the tide is turning on long reach and massive wheelbases. Not a moment too soon, imo.
enduro-mtb.com/en/enduro-race-bike-mtb-review
  • 1 0
 @barbarosza: Thanks for the kudos! We have a lot of fun on there, but it wouldn't work if Brian and Kaz didn't keep me somewhat on topic Wink
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 @housem8d: He literally shudders when I say it haha
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 @housem8d: thanks ! Have the hardtail for the skills ( transition PBJ Large ) and come off a Bronson V3 size Large ready to move on a 29er. As I said love the reach of the S4 just hate it’s WB .

Hate the reach on the S3 but WB wise sounds perfectly maneuverable
  • 5 0
 @housem8d: because it's gross and weird and I hate it. I'm very upset that @mikelevy has managed to turn it into a meta joke.
  • 3 2
 Everyone knows what the bike they couldn’t show us. It’s the Forbidden long travel.
  • 1 0
 Except the new Forbidden is not 27.5”.
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: Could 27.5 mean mullet? Or maybe you could switch out the wheels from 29 to 27.5 with the Ziggy Link and a longer fork.
  • 3 0
 The Propain plez
  • 3 0
 the actofive won already
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 Won my heart anyway.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: excited what you'll say about the short chainstay.
  • 2 0
 @Korbi777: Only that it doesn't feel short tbh
  • 1 2
 I really wanted to see what the shup up was on little wheels... scrolled down and saw 27.5.... wait... 26 is little wheels.

Miss sold!

Cant freakin wait for these videos. Even if 26 ain't in them. Wink
  • 1 0
 20" is little wheels! 26 is super-cruiser BMX now. Better wait for the dirt jump bike field test I guess?
  • 1 0
 Lol. I dont really ride dh much any more so cant justify moving from 26 on that one. The trail bike (mega) is 275. Its fast but just doesnt light my fire the same as little wheels. Too many flow trails and 29ers in 2020!

Just put my old 26er gnarr track back in today.
Wheel size goes out the window on this trail!
  • 1 1
 Ace! I've ordered the Spindrift in mullet, be keen to see a review of the Spindrift ASAP to see if I should change for a full 29er. When is this due out? @mikelevy
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer rode that big boi
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 @mikelevy: ah thanks, wrong Mike! Smile
  • 3 2
 You missed 2 great bikes!

Trail bike: Revel Rascal
Enduro Bike: Evil Wreckoning V3
  • 1 0
 From earlier this year...

mikelevy MOD PLUS (Aug 11, 2020 at 13:19)
@JaumeV18: www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-2020-evil-following.html

It'll get reviewed soon.
  • 1 0
 They reviewed the rascal in June of this year. The CBF is the bees knees
  • 2 0
 Is nobody going to talk about the hidden bike? I think its a nomad.
  • 1 3
 Spoiler alert, the "mystery" enduro is a Pole!!!

So, will anyone dare to say their bike was a "prototype" when if fails the legendary huck to flat?

I absoluetlty love this annual review you guys do. Not sure you can re create the drama of last year, but I lapped it all up. can't wait.

Santa wish list, that Stumpjumper in pain white...... just like the one I have xx
  • 2 0
 That Grim Donut looks good in blue!
  • 1 0
 Why use a Tailgate pad and a North shore rack together? Its usually an either or deal in my world
  • 1 0
 To have the option of more than just the 5-6 bikes you can fit over the tailgate of a Tacoma. I'm sure that truck has been over capacity at some point (8 on the PB academy, 10 for the field test huck to flat).
  • 3 0
 @leon-forfar: Overcapacity at all the points haha
  • 1 0
 I remember when bikes were pretty light. I’m getting old. $7500 Salsa trail bike 32 lbs sans pedals. Tank.
  • 2 0
 I know, same! Trail bikes used to be about low weight and efficiency, but most now put more emphasis on downhill capability. I'm glad that's happening as there are still some fast, light trail bikes out there from Specialized, Ibis, Spot and others.

But since when does a trail bike have a 160mm fork?!
  • 3 0
 Cuz people are finally realizing that feather weight bikes + long travel do not go well together
  • 1 0
 Can never go wrong with Sierra Nevada, but I would have personally gone with A-Frame if I were in Squamish.
  • 1 0
 Guys! Don't tell them we all only want to see the Actofive review or they will save it until the very end!
  • 2 0
 To Be Announced sick name for a bike must be the Grim Donut
  • 3 3
 Love the PB field tests.

Since they already get reviews on PB can we have an e-bike version too?

Let the downvoting commence! Smile
  • 1 1
 I'm sure PB will be doing that in the future!
  • 1 0
 420th like, looking forward to seeing more details and comments. Ibis sure is perty but I still have a Meta TR on order.
  • 1 0
 Motocrosser chiming in to remind you that paying $8000 for a bike with no engine is insane.
  • 2 1
 To be announced...full test tomorrow?
  • 1 0
 nice, been waiting for this one
  • 2 0
 3x zero is zero.
  • 1 0
 Harsh but fair haha
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: seriously

Where are you?
  • 1 0
 The future is now old man
  • 3 4
 Surprised not to see the Meta AM 29 in the Enduro category as it is super capable in the gnar. Not much attention to it....great big bike I found in our review.
  • 1 1
 Is it too late to go study dentistry so I can too afford to buy these trail bikes...
  • 1 0
 Hmm, I wonder if the S-Works bike will finally win a Pinkbike field test?
  • 1 0
 Surprised how awesome that Salsa looks. Not a bike I’d ha e considered.
  • 1 0
 I bet the unknown bike is new Transition Patrol.
  • 1 0
 The Commencal Clash should have made the Enduro/Freeride list
  • 1 0
 Tire sidewall letters all on-point.
  • 1 0
 Mystery bike......Is that a Nukeproof ??
  • 1 0
 oh I love to see propain in the mix
  • 1 0
 Was hoping to see Wreckoning vs sentinel vs EVO, vs Mega
  • 1 0
 Yeah! Have they ever done a Field Test with an Evil bike?
  • 6 0
 @ethanrevitch: no, but we've asked a couple of times. Smile
  • 1 0
 Oh boy, exciting: more reviews to watch! Neat!
  • 1 0
 .. but but you left out bike xyz!!
  • 2 1
 Guaranteed it's the new Cannondale long travel enduro rig
  • 1 0
 Where the heck is the Spech SJ Evo?
  • 1 0
 Wait for the 2021 Crises... even dentist will stressed with "cashfrow"
  • 2 2
 I really didn't want to be that guy, but:

No Specialized Stumpjumper Evo?
No Nukeproof Mega?
No Kona Process X?
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 Those are good candidates, but we've already reviewed all of those models. We try to feature bikes in the Field Test that haven't had long term reviews published yet.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: Right, ok! Given the circumstances, I think it's great that you guys managed to do a Field Test in the first place. Two thumbs up for that. I'm looking forward to the impossible climb, those roots look vicious!
  • 2 1
 If one thing is really missing for 2021, it's a mullet candidate.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: but haven't reviewed the commencal meta AM..

Did you upset them with the grim dohnut?
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Hmmm - what about an Evil then?
  • 1 0
 And no commencals there at all... neither the TR or AM
  • 1 0
 The Norco Shore.....looks like a donut
  • 1 0
 Love Norco’s but 17kg!!!!!
  • 1 0
 The question is are those weight numbers measures or supplied by manufacturers? Norco is high pivot 4-bar design, that somehow explains the weight
  • 1 3
 Why the hell would you use the Actofive when it’s not even available.
Would have been much more relevant with a Fezzari Delano peak. But I guess personal choice out shines what your audience wants to see.
  • 2 0
 We already reviewed the Delano Peak: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-fezzari-delano-peak.html. And it's always fun to have an outlier in the mix with the usual bikes from the big brands.
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 @blakplastic You know what everyone in the audience wants to see? I bet some wouldn't mind seeing a wild-looking steel HSP bike from Germany, but what do I know?

We review loads of common bikes and will continue to do that, including a new focus on good value. And we also review exotic shit that you'll never buy.
  • 4 6
 One thing a bike test shouldn't include - A photo of the tester starting his corner from 2 feet outside in the shrubbery. It's a trail, not your personal landscaping operation.
  • 8 0
 Sorry, that's the high line for extra speeds and more fun.
  • 1 0
 Would love to see a budget bike aluminum frame shootout at some point.
  • 1 0
 Looking forward to reading these reviews + watching the videos.
Thanks Pinkbike Smile
  • 1 0
 What bike rack are they using?
  • 1 0
 North Shore and a tailgate pad. So. Many. Bikes.
  • 1 0
 when did @mikelevy get old?
  • 2 0
 Every Field Test ages me by a decade.
  • 1 1
 Wonder how long it took to balance 10 bikes upright for that video... 2020 bikes are some very evenly balanced bikes
  • 1 0
 Again without Transition?
  • 1 0
 We had the Spur in the XC Field Test, remember? And we reviewed the Sentinel V2 earlier in the year.
  • 1 0
 As always, thank you for premium content!
  • 1 0
 An MSRP limit between $4-$7K sounds very reasonable to me.
  • 1 0
 Yup, agreed. We'll likely have a cap in that range.
  • 1 0
 Maybe I’ll sell my 2020 Tall Boy for $15,000
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 The Ibis has a colostomy bag.
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 Ohh boy, here we go!
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 Here on the first day to see how long we can drag this out. What's the +/- on two weeks?
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 Yeah, we do try to not blow our wad in a single week since this stuff takes A TON of work. There are ten review videos and a few others as well, and we're planning on releasing one every other month. Make sure you add us to your RSS feed. Thanks.
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 @mikelevy: "try to not blow our wad in a single week"....that's some tantric testing going on over there.
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 Enduro bike test without an Enduro...??
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 We reviewed the Enduro in a previous Field Test when it came out. Since it's not new, it's not included Smile
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 @mikelevy: But isn't the Enduro the standard these bikes are judged against??.... haha 3x Enduro owner here.
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 @cky78: You're right - that thing is damn impressive. Every time I ride that bike, I'm blown away by how well-rounded it is, not just by how capable it is when the trail is scary. I think Kazimer and I talk about how it compares to these enduro bikes in our roundtable video Smile
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 @mikelevy: NICE! This crop of bikes is pretty sick too though! I am liking the Norco Shore, and the Propain being in the test. And that Actos5 bike looks sick too.... Wondering what that surprise bike will be!
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 FORBIDDEN DRUID!!
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 I know! Does small wheels mean mullet? Do you think it will be called the Druid LT?
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 It's a shame there is no Meta AM 29
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 R3ACT Suspension?
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 To Be Announced it´s a Transition Patrol Smile ,aluminium probably.
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 To be announced....No, Grim Donut again...
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 Spoiler: the unknown bike is the Santa Cruz Nomad V5, trust me
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 Not spoiling anything for me. I’m sure it is the Nomad too. I’m more interested in what they think of it and the other 27.5” bikes.
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 @JRofficial: since you're in the know.. is there an MX option?
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 @Grosey: only 650b
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 None of these bikes can be bought this year
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 not true. you can atleast buy the spindrift and it already got shipped to the first people.
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 @derechtefux: If you're in the US you can pre-order it and then wait 15 weeks for it to be delivered to the US. So no, not available this year.
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 You might as well run a control fork since theyre all RS and Fox.
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 The cross-country Field Test happened to be mostly RockShox as the SID debuted on many of those new bikes. This time around it's more Fox forks, but it's all out of our hands.
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 Stoked to see what the new Bronson rides like.
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 Too early for new Bronson. If SC are following their three year revision cycle this should be the Nomad. Bronson V4 will come next year al things being equal.
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