Welcome to the 2021 Pinkbike Value Bikes Field Trip

Apr 19, 2021
by Sarah Moore  


WELCOME TO THE 2021
PINKBIKE VALUE BIKES FIELD TRIP
5 hardtails & 5 full-suspension bikes under $3,000 put to the test on the Sunshine Coast


Words by Sarah Moore, photography by Tom Richards


While the last Field Test was full of carbon fiber, electronics, and the high price tags that come with all that fancy stuff, this time around we’re all about value-minded trail bikes. Of course, it's no secret that if you spend a couple months' salary on a top-of-the-line bike, it's going to work really well. It’s definitely not as simple when your budget tops out at $3,000 USD, like the ten bikes that we rode on the Sunshine Coast for two weeks as a part of the 2021 Value Bikes Field Trip.

That's right, this year, we weren't able to head down to Sedona, Arizona, to do our testing, so we took a staycation on the Sunshine Coast instead. We're pretty lucky to have an amazing network of trails just a quick ferry ride away that were perfect for testing these value trail bikes when the trails in Squamish were covered in snow. What worked, what didn't, what's worth upgrading - you'll be able to watch and read about all our findings in the coming days.


Yep, it's this green in February on the Sunshine Coast.


Our stable included five hardtails, all of which cost less than $1,700 USD, while our five full-suspension trail bikes started at $2,300 and topped out at three grand. All of the full-suspension bikes had less than 135mm of rear travel, and this time we included a record five hardtails in the mix. Don't worry, they were all still subjected to the infamous Huck to Flat, as well as the Impossible Climb and the Efficiency Test. There are also roundtable discussions for both groupings of bikes.


We spent a whole lot of time climbing.
2021 Value Bikes Field Trip
And were rewarded very well on the descents.


These ten trail bikes saw endless Haribo and hot chocolate fuelled testing miles on the Sunshine Coast, and below is how we did it.


5 Full-Suspension Value Trail Bikes

Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Devinci Marshall
• Travel: 130mm rear, 140mm front
• 29" wheels
• 66.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 460mm (medium)
• $2,299 USD
Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Polygon Siskiu T8
• Travel: 135mm rear, 140mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 460mm (medium)
• $2,369 USD

Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Giant Trance X 29 3
• Travel: 135mm rear, 150mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65.5°/66.2° head-tube angle
• Reach: 456mm (medium)
• $2,500 USD
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Marin Rift Zone 29 3
• Travel: 125mm rear, 130mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 455mm (medium)
• $2,849 USD

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Ibis Ripley AF
• Travel: 120mm rear, 130mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 475mm (large)
• $2,999 USD


5 Value Hardtails

Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Canyon Stoic 3
• Travel: 140mm front
• 29" wheels
• 65° head-tube angle
• Reach: 455mm (medium)
• $1,199 USD* (adjusted after filming)
Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Vitus Sentier 29 VR
• Travel: 130mm front
• 29" wheels
• 66.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 428mm (medium)
• $1,449 USD

Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Norco Fluid HT 1
• Travel: 120mm front
• 29" wheels
• 66.5° head-tube angle
• Reach: 440mm (medium)
• $1,499 USD
Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
BMC Twostroke AL One
• Travel: 100mm front
• 29" wheels
• 67° head-tube angle
• Reach: 445mm (medium)
• $1,599 USD

Value Bikes Field Trip 2021
Rocky Mountain Growler 40
• Travel: 140mm front
• 29" wheels
• 64° head-tube angle
• Reach: 450mm (medium)
• $1,669 USD



How We Tested


Evaluating different mountain bikes properly calls for a ton of back-to-back riding, and that's especially true if we're going to compare them against each other, which is exactly what the Field Trip series is all about. So that's how we did it, with each bike facing the same 20-minute-ish course over and over again over a two-week period, a course that was carefully selected to tell us as much as possible about how the bikes perform.

While the lap is relatively short for testing purposes, the testing time added up after a solid two weeks of doing it over and over again.


Roberts Creek mountain biking trails


We believe that it’s important to evaluate these bikes on terrain that they’re intended for, which certainly isn’t the triple-black runs with a 50-percent chance of survival. The first half of our test lap was a rooty singletrack climb that transitioned into a wider, smoother gravel climb. The climb took up about three-quarters of our 20-minute lap, and was followed by a descent that, while perfectly suited to what these trail bikes are capable of, make their suspension work and separated the good from the not-as-good. Since these bikes aren't meant to fly down trails as fast as possible, timing wasn't a factor in this Field Trip.


Green room laps all day.


A lot of our testing is (and always will be) us simply riding the hell out of the bikes and then telling you all about it, but it never hurts to sprinkle in a bit of science to the process. Actually, calling it pseudo-science is probably more accurate. And yes, it turns out that it does hurt - our Efficiency Test required me to do countless laps up a steep gravel road while holding a steady 250-watts on all ten test bikes to see which suspension design made me work the least over a timed course. The top three were pretty close, can you guess how much rear travel they had?

The Impossible Climb is back, of course, partly because it's good entertainment, but also because these are trail bikes and, well, tricky uphills are something most riders are going to encounter on an average ride. We blew the censorship budget last time around, so this time I got to practice tricky technical climb again, and again, and again. Luckily, it wasn't raining and there were no cactus for this Impossible Climb, although the roots were extremely slick and I may have had my only crash of the Field Trip at 2km/h.


2021 Value Bikes Field Trip
Nothing like a sunset over the ocean.


And speaking of falling, even though these bikes are inexpensive and half of them don't have any rear suspension, they don't get a free pass on the Huck to Flat, either, although we did bring some ice for Jason Lucas' ankles. No, we're certainly not aiming to break any of them (in fact, we'd rather not, safety third!), but we do want to show you what's happening to the bikes when they use all of their suspension travel. To do that, we brought out the Phantom camera for those ultra-slow-mo glory shots that I know you want to see.

As you might imagine, watching what an inexpensive hardtail compress at 1,000 frames-per-second is quite revealing and, depending on your armchair opinion, maybe a bit worrying.


Photo by Trevor Lyden
Sarah Moore
Height: 5'7" / 170cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Notes: Content manager, too fast to be so nice
Photo by Trevor Lyden
Mike Levy
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 155 lb / 70.3 kg
Notes: Tech editor, gas station snack connoisseur


A big part of evaluating these value bikes is figuring out how ready for action these bikes are right out the box. The thing with not wanting to spend a ton of money is that, well, you probably don’t want to spend a bunch of money on upgrades a few weeks after you buy one of these things. We paid special attention to the spec of these bikes and boil down what might need to be changed or upgraded down the road on each of our ten test bikes.

Speaking of changing, one thing we didn't do this time around is put identical control tires on all our test bikes. The idea here is to compare these value bikes as they are sold by the manufacturer, not as they might be if you spent another $250 on over-priced rubber.


2021 Value Bikes Field Trip
2021 Value Bikes Field Trip

Welcome to the 2021 Value Bike Field Trip. As with all of our Field Tests and Trips, there’s a crew behind the cameras who are working ten times as hard as us to make these things happen. Stay tuned for all the videos, and remember to subscribe to the channel so you don’t miss any of them.

Field Trip was filmed prior to current B.C. travel restrictions. All filming was done in accordance with Provincial health orders.



The 2021 Pinkbike Field Test was made possible with support from Toyota.





314 Comments

  • 301 2
 Thank god...Levy is alive.
  • 118 0
 "Field Trip was filmed prior to current B.C. travel restrictions. All filming was done in accordance with Provincial health orders."
so he WAS alive when this was filmed...
  • 20 0
 @ReformedRoadie: I hope he STILL is alive
  • 70 0
 Scrolled to the comments to check before even clicking on the video. I missed that goofy fuck.
  • 111 0
 @ReformedRoadie: He's not dead, he just in hiding because he heard a rumor that the border was opening and that he'd have to race kaz soon.
  • 47 1
 But is he still alive for PB?! Sarah is listed as single author on top and it then says "Words by Sarah Moore, photography by Tom Richards" although Levy is part of the video. No words about Levy on the podcasts, neither.

Hope he wasn't Clarkson-ized
  • 1 0
 @chrsei: True, I did not realize that!
  • 17 0
 #whereislevy #didtheinterndoit?
  • 27 0
 He is on a quest for the :Golden Doughnut," it requires him outfitting a minivan (the Argo) and traveling with the greatest heroes of our time the "Argonuts." He won't be back for many years.
  • 3 0
 @chrsei: yeah, never really thought he wasn't alive, but wondered if he had moved on from PB.
I believe Seb had new content appear on his old site, after he moved over to PB, so it is still possible.
  • 20 0
 Glad he’s back, the pinkcast became way too sane and reasonable the last few episodes, and I had to relisten some old ones to hear someone say stankxshions.
  • 4 0
 @Upduro: I don't think he's back. He hasn't posted a comment on this site since early March. And this was filmed a long time ago. Hope he's doing alright.
  • 242 0
 @chrsei: he hasn’t been clarksonized. He’s taking some well deserved time off. He’s not going anywhere (except to the Tim Hortons and the gas station for sugar free Rockstars).
  • 39 0
 @brianpark: Thank you for clearing that up, we were very worried.
  • 9 0
 @brianpark: That's good to hear, I was wondering myself. I always enjoy Mike's content...
  • 1 0
 @dolores: that is a funny pic
  • 33 54
flag unrooted (Apr 19, 2021 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 Thank god the rumors aren’t true, I heard he was cancelled when he mis-gendered someone else’s bike.
  • 9 7
 now that we've cleared up his whereabouts, whats it going to get to get him on some weight gainer protein shakes and maybe hit the squat rack
  • 1 0
 @manhattanprjkt83: oddly enough, I do as well ... And going out for rides without checking my tire pressure
  • 2 0
 Don’t count on it just yet!! Someone’s had to have put up with him, in person- for a period of time!
The podcast experience is one thing but, confine to a particular location, without rest bite, may well have created a homicide situation.
  • 2 0
 opposite end of the cycle work spectrum, but worth the try #LetLevyRide
  • 27 0
 @brianpark:

I heard a rumour he moved on to NSMB as Director of Spy photography.
  • 1 0
 @sspiff: f*ck yeah!
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: good. I think we would have missed the odd fellah.
  • 1 0
 I think the greys have farmed his DNA and replicated him.
  • 3 1
 @brianpark: dude needs a pay raise after all these comments about him, assuming he gets paid in money vs Tim Hortons vouchers of course . . . in which case, a full years supply of Farmer Breakfast Wraps.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: Thanks for killing the rumor mill! I would have really missed Levy at PB!
  • 5 0
 @chrsei: don’t believe any of it. He’s dead...it turns out Levy was actually Prince Philip. May he Rest In Peace and god save the queen!
  • 3 0
 He's likely hiding, hoping to avoid the NSMB mafia outing all his secret test bikes and parts. Personally, I can't wait!
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: glad to hear that.
  • 2 1
 @noplacelikeloam: flip those farmers bacon breakfast wraps are the bomb. I just wouldn’t eat one before a big ride or I’d have to bring TP with.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: didn't have Levy pegged as someone who favours sugar free energy drinks. Maybe that's something I'm missing out on here/there/everywhere?!
  • 1 0
 @brianpark:

Smart! When they find the body now this guy Tim H. gets the blame.

Well played!
  • 124 0
 can we all just appreciate... this is a $2299 USD Devinci...MADE IN FRIGGEN CANADA!!! With all the challenges of importing crap from overseas, questionable labor and environmental policies, why are there so few companies who can pull this off?
  • 14 7
 I dont think the canadian labour and environmental policies are that bad....Even in Quebec.
  • 6 3
 Except the price went up. I got mine prior to the increase in price. Bought it because its made in Canada. Wanted a more enduro bike, but couldn't pass on the made in Canada thing. For the price I just couldn't refuse and upgraded everything.
  • 14 0
 Pretty sure there is a comprehensive tax incentive in Quebec for working with local aluminium. Their carbon frames are from overseas. Still great to see Canadian made.
  • 4 3
 Are they actually welded in Canada, or are the frames imported from Taiwan and assembled in Canada, making them "Canada made". I know a lot of brands in the past took some liberties with that statement.
  • 11 0
 @Maestroman87: They have a list of frames which are made in Canada versus Taiwan: www.devinci.com/en/quebec
  • 6 0
 Because they want to be price competitive and for every one person who says this they’d pay more there are 100 who won’t.
  • 6 0
 @usedbikestuff: this is unfortunately true. People will not support local, even after they themselves have lost a job or missed an opportunity due to over seas manufacturing. The almighty dollar (usually) wins.
  • 4 0
 @usedbikestuff: people have been pulling triggers regardless of price simply for availability. I only dream that companies can use this to their advantage and start making shit locally.
  • 4 0
 Buying a Kobain for mud and snow riding, if it was on the list of value hardtails the competition would be over before it started
  • 2 0
 @ryanbouma: so very true.
  • 1 0
 @BoneDog: they’re buying anything because of scarcity, not cost. That’s what happens when things are scare but not the same as your original complaint
  • 4 2
 @ryanbouma: I mean vote with your dollars is fine and all, but bikes are a drop in the bucket.

Buy what makes you happy and you’ll be able to justify why, cost or source country.

I do not agree that it’s fair to say that just because it’s made overseas it is of a lower quality.

You are welcome to be proud your bike is made in your homeland but don’t assume local means the best quality
  • 1 0
 @Torrrx: This is great to see.
  • 1 0
 That really is impressive. North American manufacturing ftw!
  • 6 0
 @usedbikestuff: umm, didn't say or even infer it was higher quality. If anything I'd be concerned they had to cut corners to be competitive. Also, you might think it's a drop in the bucket, but I doubt the Devinci worker feels that way. And a bucket of water is made of a thousand drops.
  • 2 0
 Bought this for my wife. Too good of a deal not to. She just got into riding. This thing is so solid for the money. If she wants to upgrade, the frame is worth doing it for. Slap some stans flows on this after the first year.
  • 2 1
 @ryanbouma: it’s actually about 3 million drops in a standard bucket. About 1 million per gallon. 250,000 per liter so you’re welcome for the conversion.

“Importing crap” from overseas has a negative tone to it. So my thought you were referencing overall quality is a correct inference. Questionable labor and environmental policy is a similar vein. The thought that some how by doing it here you are doing it better just makes me shake my head especially after stating that you’d be concerned that they’d cut corners on cost. Sort of confirming what I’m saying. Doesn’t matter where your bike is from when the vast majority of your purchase comes from non-domestic suppliers. Sure you put $300 of margin into devinci’s pocket but you also put more into Component suppliers not made there.

I bet the Devinci worker appreciates a job as much as the next guy, but I bet they’d fall upwards into a more lucrative career path welding something other than bicycle frames. Just a hunch.
  • 3 1
 @usedbikestuff:

I think you’re confusing me with another user. The only thing in your post I said was the cutting corners thing. Reread what I said. I was referring to Devinci having to cut corners to stay competitive, not the over seas manufacturing. I bought the Devinci because I feel it’s a competitive product that supports local. For some reason you have a problem with this. You’re so confused.
  • 2 0
 That was a huge factor in my purchase of a Marshall this year. Good for the consumer, great for the North American economy not to mention the environment.
  • 2 0
 @BoneDog
Makes me wonder if they are still being subsidized by the Canadian government...
  • 2 0
 @DizzyNinja: I wasn't able to get a SLX build but I grabbed a Deore build for that exact purpose. It has actually been kind of fun to bomb around on a under spec'd rig, almost like a "factory reset" to the riding mentality.
  • 2 0
 @ryanbouma: yeah, he’s clearly speaking past you to make his point. No one said “importing crap”, so dunno why it’s in quotes and dunno where he’s getting that anyone implied oversees manufacturing was inferior somehow. And yes, he seems to be confusing some of the points you made. But he also made some good points himself. In the end, buying locally and buying globally have their merits and it kinda just sounds like you were stoked to support a local company because you could because the price was right for once, right? Like I get that, that seems pretty benign to me. Dunno why he gave you such a snarky response about the drops in a bucket thing. If I could buy an American made bike for cheap enough but it was still good quality, I’d do it. If there was a better bike for the same price made elsewhere, I’d buy that. As you and others pointed out, that’s most peoples motivation- dollars, not country of origin. This time though, it all just seemed to line up and that’s rad.
  • 1 0
 @bicimane: Yeap replied to the wrong person. Internet 1: me 0.
  • 73 0
 Maybe this was filmed before Levy was abducted by aliens. Clearly they identified him as one of Earth's most advanced thinkers based on his work on bike geometry
  • 4 0
 I'm fairly sure Levy is an alien. I wouldnt even be surprised to see a whole MIB movie about him!
  • 44 0
 Good to hear about these new travel restrictions. You don't want to risk bottoming out during a field test.
  • 37 1
 That Polygon is spec'd SO nice compared to others. Trance X, kind of not great fork (have this cheaper trance x in the family), garbage SX drive train, etc. But Polygon has SLX drivetrain, 4 piston brakes, Fox suspension, nice geo, looks dope and like 32lbs. For under 2500$ I don't know how anything else comes close. Especially if reliability comes into play. I hope this is a part of this because a 3k$ Ripley AF (very nice) is a big price jump from the budget bikes.
  • 9 0
 Agreed - I ended up going with Ripley AF but sometimes I wonder if Polygon isn't as equally good and at a cheaper price. Not to mention how absolutely amazing the Polygon looks.
  • 6 0
 Indeed , they are so bang for the buck ! Hopefully they'll expand shipping to Canada soon !
  • 2 0
 I’ve got some good time on my Trance X now and it’s the first Rockshox 35 I’ve had. Maybe I got lucky but that fork feels great to me, and everyone who’s rode my bike says how supple it feels. Maybe not compared to the best out there right now but for the average rider I bet it works perfectly.
  • 4 0
 As a Polygon T8 owner since September, I can attest. I'd love to have a Ripley AF though.
  • 5 2
 They really should have thrown in a Commencal Meta TR into the mix, because it won last year and because its very popular. I think it would generally be good practice for their Field Tests to always include last year's winner.
  • 1 0
 @klazzymoto: Agreed. Honestly, I was VERY worried about the 35 and SX when I bought the X 3 because all internet opinions about them have stated how terrible they are. In reality, they are more than adequate for the job.
  • 2 3
 @klazzymoto: from what I've read the 35 is to the Pike what the Yari is to the Lyrik - same chassis, older damper, cheaper. Really good forks at that price range and relatively easy to service too.
  • 4 0
 @sjma: Go look at MTBR for all of the internal teardowns etc. The seals suck and the damping is isn't great at all. Its not a true debonair spring either. Its ok but not great and its not really something you can upgrade or tear down and tune...tho there may be some 3rd party dampers now, but then you should have rather just gotten a proper fork in the first place. The guys that did return to try and fix the compression issues were cutting into the shim stack if I recall. Its definitely not like the Lyrik/Yari if you go inside of it.
  • 1 0
 I've been checking on the bikesonline.com website every week for months and its never in stock....
  • 5 1
 @sjma: The marketing sounds good but the guts aren't, I wish it was like the Yari but its just not at all unfortunately. Crappy damper and weird spring plsu there are a bunch of RS Golds that need to be warrantied out of the box. The Fox Rhythm is a much better fork imo (for the money at least). This plus the freaking sweet SLX drivetrain, in a cheaper package is why the Polygon Sikui T8 is such a sick bike. That SX stuff is straight garbage compared to SLX. It'll work for basic riding but SLX literally performs better than my expensive X01 Sram Eagle.
www.mtbr.com/threads/rockshox-35-gold-rl-disassemble-%E2%80%93-whats-inside.1142709
  • 2 0
 @ryan77777: I WANTED that Polygon.....
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: Its supposed to be back in June right? (buddy is wanting one). They are available for pre-order last time I looked. EDIT: now showing they are shipping at the end of this May! (for XL)
  • 6 0
 @sjma: the Revelation is to the Pike what the Yari is to the Lyrik. The 35 isn’t as good and doesn’t have butted stankshuns so it’s heavier than Revelation as well. The retail price on a 35 is same as Revelation but I’m guessing there’s more mark up on it allowing better wholesale prices for bike companies to buy a bunch of 35’s
  • 1 0
 @pumpjumpnflow: I felt the same way, kinda worried because the internet told me to be. I can’t say anything about the SX drivetrain because I swapped it with NX that I had on another bike and then sold.
  • 1 0
 @pumpjumpnflow: yeah so far sx has in general been fine on my bike. Always shifts nicely, hasn't needed any adjustment since I first got it, it's survived multiple crashes now (probably just luck there). I did upgrade to a gx shifter for a more crisp feel but it's been nice. Waiting for the derailleur to eventually get smashed then go for an nx, or shimano derailleur. Apparently shimano derailleurs work with sram drive trains.
  • 2 0
 @DizzyNinja: I agree with all of your points here and no doubt a revelation would be preferred over the 35. The fox rhythm, marzocchi z2 and RockShox yari would all perform better. All these options usually come on bikes that are $700-1000 CAD more. The components on the Polygon is a no-brainer in the US with its direct to consumer price advantage. I picked up the Devinci earlier this year for $2,600 CAD which was several hundred less than any of these other options here in Canada (the Ripley AF is almost $4000 here).

The 35 comes on mostly cheaper bikes though where a year or two ago they would have speced a RockShox Recon or worse a Judy. Having just come off a bike with a Recon RL the 35 is a nice improvement in stiffness and is definitely smoother and more supple over both small and large impacts.
  • 1 0
 How is no one mentioning the Stoic? (Yes I realize no dropper)
  • 1 0
 I just got the T8, and I replaced the stem, carbon handlebar, and a lighter saddle, went tubeless, and with pedals (Stamp 2 - aluminum) it weighed in at 36 lbs (in size Large).
  • 1 0
 @Brxa13: I’m afraid to weigh mine. I did the same things you did, but changed the shock to a heavier Cane Crek DBair IL
  • 1 0
 @mtbikeaddict: Really solid offering, good geo, ticks all the boxes. I'll likely get a '4' when I move to Germany this year... if they ever get back in stock. It's maybe not the absolute best value but looks like a rad starter bike.
  • 1 0
 @Brxa13: 36lbs seems nutty even for a heavy hitter like a Commencal. BikesDirect and Polygon list theirs at like 33lbs. Are you sure its 36? That's really heavy.
  • 1 0
 @Svinyard: Vital's Medium Polygon T8 weighed 34 lbs 3 oz and Flow MTB's Medium Polygon T8 weighed 33 lbs 3 oz
  • 1 0
 @klazzymoto: yeah I think people are too quick to write off the rockshox 35. It's infinitely better than the coil type forks that used to be specced on these types of bikes.
  • 2 0
 @Noah353: Its a fine enough fork. Its not that its total garbage...its just that for LESS money you can get a bike with SLX and ok Fox Suspension (in the US at least), everything is relative. The facts about the fork having a weird spring and poor damper were just to dispel the idea that this fork was similar to the Yari (which has nice internals like the Fox). But yeah, its better than the garbage coil stuff, tho its still almost 2400g iirc.
  • 1 0
 I definitely think that the Polygon is taking the win in this one.
  • 34 3
 I tried to buy 3 of those full suss bikes back in January, along with a few others. Repeated stock alerts, emails, phone calls. I got lucky and grabbed a Ripley AF on the the day it was announced. So no matter who wind the filed test, my bike was the winner (and only contender) for me.
  • 66 1
 Shame you didn't buy a bike not tested, then you could complain that it wasn't tested AND proclaim your bike surely would've dominated the rest of the field.
  • 17 1
 Disagree. I tried to buy several bikes at the end of last year and into this year with no luck. Finally got one of the Polygons, so that was is clearly the best one in test.
  • 32 1
 Fellow teenagers, this one's for us!
  • 18 12
 Yes, because teens can drop $2.5k on a new bike?
  • 65 2
 @mi-bike: an american teenage working a full time summer job at 7.25$/hrs would take around 13weeks to get 2500$ for a new bike.

Not having rent,foods and bills to pay helps a lot with saving money Smile

that's how I bought my first hardtail 15years ago
  • 8 1
 @Elgaucher: many provinces in Canada, the minimum wage is $15/hr
  • 2 0
 @Couleecruise: oh I know , I was calculation the worst case for north american and since mi-bike isn't even from USA or CAN I can talk for his case
  • 8 0
 @Elgaucher: this hurts me the most, here you work 8 hours a day and make 1.45$/hrs
  • 4 3
 @Noeserd: Ouch ! Time to move to Canada mate Smile We're super welcoming to imigrant .. if you can handle the snow Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @Elgaucher: it's my plan but i don't know how to make it happen Smile
  • 4 1
 @Elgaucher: $7.25/hr? Teenagers can easily find jobs that pay better than that right now. "Help Wanted" signs everywhere!
  • 8 0
 @AndrewFleming: Probably , just showed the bare min USA case. I'm not about to go full on Math stats on PB.
  • 3 0
 @Elgaucher: In still in high school and make over 16/hour, gotta make dat bike shop dough
  • 6 0
 @Elgaucher: there's also an overlap of US states where MTB'ing is popular and states with a higher minimum wage.

E.g., on the left part of the country, California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Arizona are all $12+/hr minimum wage states.

At $12/hr fulltime, you'd take home about $400/wk. It'd take you 6.25 weeks working fulltime at $12/hr to save up $2,500.
  • 1 9
flag hamncheez (Apr 19, 2021 at 10:06) (Below Threshold)
 When minimum wages are "binding" ($7.25/hour isn't binding for most places in the USA), then it reduces employment and makes it harder to find a job. Everything has trade-offs
  • 27 1
 @hamncheez: Nobody's here to argue about economic policy, but a few things to keep in mind if you're looking at minimum wage in the U.S..

If the federal minimum-wage from 1970 was inflation-adjusted, it would be about $12/hr today. If the federal minimum wage were adjusted for increased productivity, it would be about $24/hr today.

One of the biggest disparities is the cost of housing. In 1980 - the average 2-bedroom rent in the US was $308. Today, that's up over 5x to $1,588. The Federal minimum wage was $3.10/hr in 1980. It's $7.25 today, up just 2.3x while the cost of housing is up over 5x.

TL;DR: By many measures, minimum-wage workers in the United States are less well-off than they were 40 years ago. Raising the minimum wage isn't some kind of socialist agenda, it's "the 1980s shouldn't be the high-water-mark for American prosperity."
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 @Elgaucher: This is so exactly how teenagers calculate their wages. I remember when we all first got high school jobs we bragged how many weeks it would take to save up. Zero budget allotted for anything else lol
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 @50percentsure: right ! Damn I miss caring so much about everything else ! At least we have the change to disconnect from everything when hoping on the bike ! cheers !
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 @Elgaucher: but where is your beer budjet ?!?
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flag hamncheez (Apr 19, 2021 at 13:15) (Below Threshold)
 @atourgates: The issue is that you are implying the relatively higher minimum wage from 1970 is "better". All the good economic evidence out there- plus economic theory and common sense- clearly demonstrate that minimum wages harm poor people. This is the most well respected meta study out there on the subject : www.nber.org/papers/w12663

From the abstract: "almost all point to negative employment effects, both for the United States as well as for many other countries... the studies that focus on the least-skilled groups provide relatively overwhelming evidence of stronger disemployment effects for these groups."


Because I know you'll google rebuttals to this metastudy, there is a 1993 study by Krueger et al that studied what happened when NJ raised their minimum wage, and they found no negative effects. The problem is they just phone surveyed a few hundreds small businesses and asked them if they planned on reducing their employment, and somehow that is considered academic research these days.

TL;DR: The summation of 50 years of studying minimum wages has found a small (because most minimum wages are too low to be binding and only affect marginalized communities that don't get picked up by statistic collection agencies, like illegal aliens) but statistically significant effect that minimum wages reduce employment for the poorest in society. There also is 0 credible evidence that minimum wages have any effect on poverty reduction, and some decent evidence it raises poverty (due to increases in unemployment).

If you want, I can cite over a dozen studies, including several by the CBO, that reach these same conclusions.
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 @Elgaucher: Yea, I'm just pointing out that paying minimum wage in the US is rare these days.
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 @hamncheez: Your assertion that 'all economic evidence out there clearly demonstrate that minimum wages harm poor people' clearly demonstrates that either you are not that informed about the subject matter or that are trying to get away with a lie. Minimum wage laws and their effects on economic activity is hotly debated among economists and we could spend all day citing studies that support various conclusions. What would be fair to say is that the overall effects are not well understood and that the Pinkbike comment section is no place to become informed on subjects of micro and macro economics.
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 @mi-bike: I did this! I don’t work at a bike shop though Frown
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 @atourgates: I'm to young for this. What's the tl:dr to the tl:dr?
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 @Lloydmeister: well, I don’t know if there is a tl:dr to the tl:dr. Sometimes you just have to read if you want to understand stuffs, ya know? Something that has been researched and debated for decades by thousands of people unfortunately can’t be boiled down to a few sentences in a pinkbike comment. They are big issues, there is a lot to read about the issues, go read lol
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 @Lloydmeister: actually I take that back, I’ve been trying to figure out the perfect analogy. This ain’t it but it’s close.

Is it more fun for everyone (average Joe and Pro alike) if during a big mass start dh race we all start at the same place at the same time? Or, would it be more exciting for everyone if those who were slower got a head start?

Some people will think, nah it’s more exciting if we start at the same time, and the people who are good will do good and those who do bad will do bad and everyone will just enjoy the competition or not in their own way. Others will think, it’s way more fun if there’s a chance you could beat Gee Atherton to the bottom and he’ll have more fun trying to actually still beat you and we’ll all just enjoy it being a bit more fair and that won’t make anyone lose motivation to race.

Yeah, not a perfect analogy but at least we’re back to talking about bikes Smile
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 @bicimane: In this spectacular analogy of @atourgates post, is Gee Atherton
a) the increasing disparity between cost of housing and minimum wage,
b) the average 2-bedroom rent in the US of currently $1,588, or
c) the 1980 $3.10/hr Federal minimum wage?

Help a brother out. Thanks.
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 @atourgates: Look at the number of dual-income households then and now and I think you'll see part of the reason why housing costs are higher proportionally to minimum wage. Are housing costs are higher relative to wages across the board, or just the minimum wage?
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 @quinnfilbey: My degree is in economics. This is something I've studied for years.

There really isn't a debate in the economic field as to the effects of minimum wages. They, like any artificial price inflation, reduce demand. This phenomenon has been observed in countless studies across the globe, in developed economies and developing economies. Its as clearly established as the theory that free trade reduces prices and increases product availability.

There are political economists that try really, really hard to justify raising the minimum wage. One of them is Nobel Prize winner (in economics) Paul Krugman. In the public sphere, he has been advocating for the raising of minimum wages for years. HOWEVER, in his own academic literature, when hes writing as an economist, not a pundit, he writes, "So what are the effects of increasing minimum wages? Any Econ 101 student can tell you the answer: The higher wage reduces the quantity of labor demanded, and hence leads to unemployment.” In his own Economics 101 textbook that he authors, he writes, "when the minimum wage is above the equilibrium wage rate, some people who are willing to work—that is, sell labor—cannot find buyers—that is, employers—willing to give them jobs."

This comment is long enough already, so I'll try to avoid ranting. You can believe anything you want to, and grown, educated individuals can both honestly disagree about something, but don't assume I'm uneducated on this. Don't assume I'm uninformed. And don't assume there isn't a mountain of economic evidence that raising prices reduces demand.
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 @hamncheez: proudly proclaiming you have a degree in economics is the surest sign you know absolutely nothing about this topic. congrats. you owned yourself.
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 @hamncheez: Your BA in econ may suggest that you know a little bit about economics - good. I would suggest that having a degree in the subject gives you a bit more responsibility to describe the relationships more entirely and refrain from using dishonest argument to mislead a less educated audience in promoting your personal conclusions. Further, an undergrad in economics is nothing to use as an authoritative argument against a Nobel Prize recipient in this field who happens to reach a different conclusion than you. Then, discrediting him by describing his status a part-time-pundit (but only where he disagrees with you) is just ad-hominem. There is quite a bit more nuance to this argument than a Econ 101 supply/demand relationship would suggest and you know that - what are the downstream effects? If macro economics were that simple, people wouldn't need years of post-secondary education to be able to make even the most feeble attempts at market predictions. Even then... it's a social 'science' and unless you can crawl inside the brains of every person interacting in the market, it is difficult to discern what causes what and to what degree. You are right - there is little debate about the average short-term effects of increased minimum wages on unemployment but average short-term unemployment does not describe the entire economy or any economy. It certainly doesn't mean minimum wages always harm poor people which is the sentiment expressed that I originally took exception to. If you would like to continue to reduce these matters down to common denominator evaluations, you will only be able to get away with it on online public forums but even here, I believe you have already discredited yourself... Wise people live in a world of nuance and doubt.
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 @hamncheez: jed bartlet had a phd in economics.
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 Legit Question. Where is the review of Sub $3000 Longer travel enduro bikes?? I feel like there's an entire demographic of riders (Me and all my friends) that like to ride really gnarly rocky dh enduro type riding, but don't have a ton of cash to blow.
So we look at bikes like the Meta AM origin, The Capra comp build, Polygon, Basic Slash etc. Its not really telling the full picture when the reviews of Sub 3000 bikes always = Short travel. Less money doesn't have to equal less travel. SHOW ME THE CHEAP LONG TRAVEL BIKES!! okay thats all thx
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 Perhaps they've got something lined up for the future with that in mind? A few years ago they had a head to head value bike battle between the Ripmo AF and Canyon Spectral.
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 Decent question... and I was actually looking for another set of bikes in the intro. I think the EN category makes more sense for heavier aluminum bikes with heavier low end components. The knocks on most of the bikes in this review is going to be weight and all the negative aspects associated with it.

But no doubt the best EN for $3k would likely be the Ibis Ripmo AF with DVO setup.
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 2 years into my mega comp 275. Lovin it.
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 How many takes was that? Well scripted and almost flawless presentation. I’m certainly looking forward to these reviews with high hopes. Nice work PB.
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 Thank you! Definitely more than a little editing magic in there Wink
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 A fork that doesn't fork really made me lol and also reminded me of my old Fox 34. It came stock on my bike and i hated that stupid thing... Harsh as fence post and yet no support what so ever and diving on every opportunity, making it the perfect blend of crap.
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 Who’s the new guy?
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 I kinda like him. I think he should guest in the podcast
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 I wonder if he knows anything about bike design?
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 @mybaben: one day he just showed up in a Delorean...
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 I get limitations on how many bikes you can include, and that you want to focus on new, as yet untested stuff. But it would be pretty useful to have a well known reference bike in the mix. A Process 134 or Stumpjumper in base trim would fit right in and be a useful comparison.
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 In the podcast a several weeks back about this, they mentioned there was one that they wanted but just couldn't get. My guess would be the base alloy stumpjumper. Would be an interesting comparison since the carbon and alloy have different suspension systems. But right now when hardly anyone can get a bike in any timely fashion, it's pretty impressive they got all the bikes they did get.
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 @FMHUM: Valid point. And then there's the issue that no matter what bikes they review, shops can't keep any of them in inventory with the current demand still outpacing supply by miles. It's funny, this was supposed to be the time when all the new MTBers from last year were going to sell their used-twice pandemic bikes on the PB buy/sell. But man, it's just more of the same, with anything used fetching insane money. And geez, key components are almost impossible to get (try finding 12sp Shimano cassettes...)

Don't get me wrong - I'm stoked that when shit went sideways, people decided that getting out to play in the woods was a good thing. I'm stoked we have a bunch of new riders joining us, not just so there are more people to ride with, but also to build and advocate for access. But it sure would be nice if the supply side could catch up so if you break something, or wear something out, it's not weeks or months before you're back out on the trails.
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 Makes comment about lack of 27.5 wheels, goes back into corner for time out.
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 Yep... better just keep riding what I got
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 But seriously, where is Levy? Levy, wear yellow in your next video if you're in trouble.
  • 5 0
 Is Levy in one of those Britney Spears situations?!
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 @ryan77777: Either that or he's finally made it to the big dance... Working at Tim Hortons in Whistler.
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 Nice bike ! good price ........... SOLD OUT back in stock in 2023 .
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 Gonna call this now. Ripley AF wins.
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 And the Vitus wins the hardtail contest!
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 Not at all sure about this. The Polygon looks really damn good on paper and costs so much less...
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 Probably depends on how much you put on 'value'. Like the Ibis has the best parts apart from the Polygon, but probably a more refined suspension platform than the Polygon. But you're also paying like 600 more bucks...
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 I also predict the Ibis will do the job.
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 It got the most screen time... coincidence?
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 I'm guessing exactly the same. Ibis wins the FS and vitus for the HT.
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 @BenTheSwabian: probably will depend on how they score it. I feel like while this is the "value" test, that will only be one aspect of it. The ibis has that sweet dw link suspension vs a pretty basic single pivot on the polygon. Guessing the ibis will feel much more refined and higher quality. But who knows, I'm super curious to see the results here!
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 @husstler: You and I spend too much time on this site. I'm embarrassed at myself for getting the reference.
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 27.5 is dead apparently
  • 4 1
 They probably couldn’t get hold of any
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 I'm stoked to see so many hardtails in this one!
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 Me too, but I do wish they had some steel hardtails. Alloy HT bikes don't retain that flavor steel has. Maybe next year Smile
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 Looking at the website specs, this selection really underlines how much more you get for a little more money at this level. Spend an extra $300 over the Ripley's price and the Trance X bumps up to full SLX and a Fox 36 for instance.
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 It's the creep up factor though. You can keep adding a little more for the next level up wheels, fork, or whatever, and soon you are spending 6k......
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 What the hell is up with reach? My 2014 xl Scott scale had 450mm of reach, then my 2018 large Nukeproof scout had 450mm of reach. Now most of these mediums have around those same numbers. I'd appreciate if someone told me why, thanks.
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 Basically because a short stem and long reach makes for a better handling, more stable bike than a short reach and long stem. Steeper seattube angles also account for some of the increase in reach. Grips to saddle hasn't necessarily gotten longer.
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 Its often (but not universally accepted) considered that longer reach = better or more stable handling when stood up, but there are some physical limits to what a rider of any given size can actually manage.
Pedalling/climbing ability while seated is more closely related to effective top tube. steeper seat angles mean ETT can stay the same while reach grows.
Also your 2014 scale was probably specced with about a 100mm stem, which will grow the saddle to bar measurement.
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 @AyJayDoubleyou:
@kcy4130:
Thanks to you both. A bunch of it must be in the steeper seat angle. I understood the slacker ht coming from the scale, but even though the scout has a pretty slack ht angle, it's on the slacker side of modern seat tube angles. Also, now I can visualize the reach vs ETT relationship.
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 @rabbitsmokinintheferns: Demo first if you can. The STA is only a factor...if you are sitting. The rest is a pretty long front center (reach is part of this). I think the geometry is nice, but sizing down is a thing now even for some tall pros. Remember when Agility, Playfullness etc were the 29er buzz words? Now its stability and really long reach. A buddy is in the industry and gets a new bike or two every year. He was like "I love the new aggro geometry, but you have to size down unless you need the help and are riding really steep, striaght-ish stuff all the time". Its no different than a car, wheelbase is wheelbase and it has pros and cons for sure.
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 @Svinyard: What you say is exactly the reason that I threw the question out there. I went from a 2014 XL to a 2018 L, looked at the above and thought, jeez, now I'm a medium. Thanks for the feedback.
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 It’s partly driven by spec sheet consumers that want to see a specific number thinking/hoping it’ll improve their abilities. There’s a saying in motorbike world “you can’t ride a spec sheet” so demo every bike you can before buying.
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 @DizzyNinja: the thing is, it is not only spec sheets and bogus stories.
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 First of all: Great job!

But I really wish you included the Commencal Meta TR to compare it against the Ibis Ripley AF. Mostly because it won the Field Trip Award last year. But also because like every fourth bike you see on the trails here is now a Commencal, whereas Ibis... They are so niche that I'm not even sure if they have dealerships in continental Europe.
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 Totally opposite here. I've seen maybe one or two Commencals ever on the trails, whereas almost every other bike around here is an Ibis.
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 That's an interesting comment to read because here in the Northeast US the polar opposite is true - every other bike is an Ibis and the Commencals are hard to come by. I had to just buy my Meta without riding one or even knowing anyone with one. Can't go wrong with the way either rides, the Ripley and Ripmo are both really great bikes too.
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 They do, also in Germany. There's a dealer list on the gocycle website.
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 @ruggedmaine: haha and if you come over to California, literally 70% of bikes are Santa Cruz. I get excited when I see anyone riding an ibis or commencal. You'd think there'd be more ibis since they're from CA but man Santa Cruz practically owns this area.
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 Thank you Pink Bike for reviewing all the bikes. I am really looking forward to this. The high end bike reviews are great, but these lower end bike reviews are really good too.
  • 8 2
 A 100mm hardtail made it in. COOL.
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 I got Growler 40s for my 13 and 15 yr old sons. Besides being a bit heavy, I’m really happy with the bikes. Bikes are solid and ride smooth.
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 Sounds like a hoot
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 I would have bought the Devinci Marshall when shopping March 2021, but as per many brands it was sold out. I think the same for the Giant Trance. After months of shopping and calling / emailing bike stores it becomes a dizzying mess of confusion.

We ended up getting a 2021 Norco Fluid FS1. Decent bike with good beginner geometry (66 HTA / 76 STA) but @norcobicycles, please shave off a few pounds.
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 Nice bike! I have one as well that I've enjoyed a ton after spending $450 on a set of Hunt Trail Wide wheels and selling the stock wheelset for $150.

Dropping 600+ grams of rotating weight for $300 and getting a hub with decent engagement was pretty transformative to the riding experience and I doubt the weight other places will bother ya. Didn't me anyway.

Oh yah, and save up cash for some new rotors when it's time to replace pads. Go with metallic pads and rotors that can handle them and it takes those brakes from fine unless it's steep to pretty damn good anywhere.

Other than those two items pretty hard to find things for me to complain about, particularly since I picked my up 2020 for $2k barely used in Fall 2020 before COVID made everything bike related skyrocket in price.
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 Those geometry numbers are really good for trail riding, I wouldn't personally classify them as 'beginner geometry' (if such a thing exists... geometry on my XC bike is by no means slack and is nerve racking on steep downhills, but my XC bike is faster everywhere else vs enduro bike. Just tradeoffs).
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 @TheLoamDeranger: It's more accurate to call Fluid a beginner bike, instead of the geometry. 66 HTA isn't limiting, but the 130mm / 120mm suspension would be.

I switched Deb 2020 from a 2002 71.5 HTA Gary Fisher to a 65 HTA Optic ... THAT was big change. Besides the geometry, everything else was different too. lol
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 @njcbps: 71.5 is uh limiting I'd say. Sounds scary!
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 @TheLoamDeranger: I'm so used to leaning way back, that I was OK with it. I've never gone over the bars.

But new geometry is much more capable and forgiving - riding steep HTA rigid frame bikes means it would help to pick a line, and not smash through stuff.
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 @isilverman: Thanks for the feedback. It's my daughter's bike and she broke the bank buying it, but good to know if she wanted to upgrade for future ref.
  • 3 0
 Absolutely in love with my growler 40. Although I threw a Lyric, CushCores and went 200 front and rear. She does everything, park, climbs, shuttles. I ride it more than my Jekyll enduro rig for sure!
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 I have an unhealthy level of excitement about this field test. I'm kind of in the market for a new $2k bike (ie., I would be if there were any available), and I'm really interested to learn about all the trade-offs that you need to make. I've seen a lot of one-off written reviews of bikes in this price range, but nothing beats a Pinkbike comparison test.

I made a short-list of FS bikes and asked a knowledgeable friend's advice, and the dominant deciding factor for them was whether the bike had single pivot rear suspension or not (Vitus Mythique and Norco Fluid FS3 were preferred since they're not single pivot). I've read about the difference in ride characteristics but honestly don't understand how that would feel in real life, and then I've read great things about Polygon Siskiu and Marin Rift Zone (both single pivot). So, field tests like this are very educational for me on all that stuff!
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 I was expecting the Cheap Donut in this test. A hardtail with 45 head angle and 180 Yari RC.
  • 1 0
 The polygon can be had with the littler wheels, you get bonus free travel too.
  • 3 0
 I should totally be on a bike named “two stroke”... anyone who rides behind me will vouch for the constant noxious fumes released from my tail pipe! Smile
  • 4 0
 PB, why not a reality show where participants find to find these bikes in stock in local shops--greatest race style LOL
  • 3 0
 More like hunger games? Smile
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 Question about sizing that might be covered in the roundtable at the end - Levy usually rides a large and is riding mostly medium for this test. If supply was not an issue, would you have preferred a large or do you think the medium would have been the right choice for this terrain? Did you notice the difference when switching to the Ripley AF? Not a huge reach difference. And for Sarah - after riding all medium, did the Ripley feel better or would you have preferred a size M? Did you "feel" the difference in 15-20 mm more reach?
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 I watched the intro video and I'll be interested to see the actual reviews when they drop. Two of the bikes I have high on my list are the Ibis Ripley AF and the Devinci Marshall. I do really like that the Marshall is made in Canada - I've done a bit of biking there (and rock climbing) and I'd be happy to support some more local labor for a change. I actually like the fact that the Marshall doesn't bother with internal cable routing and keeps the price low. My 2014 Salsa Horsethief doesn't route internally either and I've never seen the point. There are tons of reviews on the Ripley AF, but almost none on the Marshall (which is also very hard to get). I'm leaning towards alloy over carbon and other than some rather obscure options (like the Canfield Tilt which is kind of expensive), I don't have any other bikes on my list yet unless I add some brands like Giant, Siskiyou, or Marin. Looking forward to this one.
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 Looking forward to the hardtail reviews. I own a 2021 Fluid HT and I find it a great bike. I'm expecting that the PB team is not going to like the cable rattles and cost saving wire-bead non-tubeless Ardent tyres it is supplied with .
  • 4 0
 Welcome back @mikelevy. Did you get trapped in a Tim Hortons bathroom?
  • 4 0
 The field test that's actually relevant!
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 Nice job, y'all! Looking forward to the rest of the series.

And as both a Canadian and a Californian, thank you for pronouncing it muh-RIN, and not MARE-in. :-)
  • 2 0
 Most of the bikes were size medium, with the exception of the Ibis. Did you weigh any of them? It would have been great to see weights listed in the test.
  • 2 0
 Dang! Just as the green website dropped the same type of video in full instead of keeping my balls blue for another month
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 Upvoted for "the green website" lol
  • 3 0
 Polygon Siskiu looks eerily similar to a Salsa Blackthorn.
  • 2 0
 Some benevolent company reading this please send Sarah a warmer jacket Book
  • 1 0
 I got polygon siskiu t8 last month, and it is great. It is definitely less refined than bikes under big names, but at least 1000 dollars cheaper, so can't complain.
  • 2 0
 all budget bikes do not have to have hula hoops for wheels. now downvote me those who hate smaller wheels. WTAF
  • 1 0
 Hey just wondering if anyone knows why the Commencal Clash is never included in any of these tests, it can be had for under 3000 and is a sick bike
  • 5 7
 I know that the full suspension bikes are all less than 130mm rear travel, but there are a lot of under $3k bikes with more travel that I think would be a good test. Like the Commencal Meta, YT Jeffsy, Marin Alpine Trail, etc. Do this test next time!
  • 2 0
 more travel is more better lol
  • 2 0
 Tests in Canada, prices in USD....
  • 3 0
 Easier to get to "under $3k" that way...
  • 1 0
 So which ones of these can we actually buy this year? Both shops near me are out to fall 2022 or later for most models.
  • 2 0
 Wondering why haven't they included Devincis Kobain in the HT part
  • 1 0
 I think the Riftzone 3 is a killer value. More comparable to a Giant Trance X 2 than the 3 though!
  • 1 0
 At 6:00 in the video, that is the look of a man seriously questioning his life's decisions.
  • 2 1
 Dam that Ripley is so nice compared to those other bikes. That linkage is really something special too.
  • 2 0
 Growler is UK slang, I'll let you urban dictionary that....
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I've learnt over the years that low budget growlers are usually best avoided.
  • 1 0
 Geez, makes a fanny pack look tame in comparison!
  • 1 0
 Well I learned something new today haha.
  • 3 0
 Ten value 29ers.
  • 2 0
 Where's a Kona?!.... Great line-up however
  • 1 0
 Keyword was “value”
  • 1 0
 God - to bad the CAD$ sucks so bad that when you convert from USD to CAD it's still crazy to pay for a budget bike.
  • 1 0
 Is it me or do the closeup shots makes Sarah look more beautiful, and Levy more.... homeless.
  • 3 2
 There goes the neighborhood...
  • 3 1
 He's alive!
  • 4 0
 i see this meme a lot, and i am still out of the loop
  • 2 0
 @Gamertebo: Levy has been missing for a while, and now he is back.
  • 6 0
 @jmtbf: not too stir the pot but this article was written by Sarah, so still no definitive proof of him still existing.
  • 1 0
 @mtmc99: I did not see that part
  • 1 0
 I love these articles/vids - bookmarked for lunchtime.
  • 1 0
 Damn, I never get a gas station snack connoisseur when I need one...
  • 1 0
 I thought they fired Mike for buying donuts
  • 1 0
 Thats a Canyon Stoic 2 right? Not a 3
  • 2 0
 It's a 3 in the US.
  • 1 0
 Levy didn't get canned or die in his Mini! I was concerned
  • 3 4
 BuT wHeN aRe YoU gOnNa DrOp ThE vAlUe BiKe FiElD tESt???




Oh, sorry, I thought we were posting that in all comment sections.
  • 1 2
 Should this feature be titled 'Levy's Last Stand' ??? I have a feeling this might be that last time we see Levy at pinkbike.
  • 4 3
 That intro song is terrible. I hope they change it for the next episode.
  • 2 0
 What is the wording on the intro song?? F-Ducking?
  • 1 1
 Just here for all the complaints about how the price points are now too low.
  • 2 1
 Could sell the Polygon on Whistler Bike Buy and Sell for $6000 right now.
  • 1 0
 Great lineup of bikes. Looking forward to this one.
  • 1 0
 Are any of these hardtails available as a frame only?
  • 1 0
 really looking foward to this... that Rocky mountain is a beut
  • 3 2
 thank god theres only 29er bikes the only type of wheels that exist
  • 4 0
 Someone should invent a smaller more playful wheel size
  • 1 0
 Laughs in £750 Sonder Transmitter self build
  • 1 0
 Never heard so many brand names said so wrong in one video
  • 1 0
 aggressively waiting in the Vitus Rapide FS in the field test
  • 1 0
 That BMC is soooo good lookin'. Awesome.
  • 1 0
 Yay levy's back! Who brought the donuts?!
  • 1 0
 Polygons linkage pivots are total dumpster fire.
  • 1 0
 So where are the test results?
  • 1 0
 YES!
  • 1 0
 Finally!!!
  • 2 1
 Polygon for the win...
  • 1 0
 He's alive!
  • 1 1
 The Marshall just went up $100CAD. Thanks...
  • 1 0
 Good fishing in Quebec
  • 3 2
 Yay Sarah's back!
  • 1 0
 Mike who?
  • 1 1
 The ibis is nice but it looks like it’s already used it’s travel
  • 1 0
 Vital already did it!
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