YT Enters the E-MTB Market With Decoy

Mar 28, 2019
by YT Industries  

Press Release: YT Industries

With the Decoy, bike manufacturer YT Industries brings their first E-MTB to the market and proves that the brand can also build toys with batteries that own the steeze. YT interprets the E-MTB topic in its very own way and guarantees customers even more fun while riding. Three models of the Decoy can be pre-ordered from today on via the webshop www.yt-industries.com. The first batch will be available mid May.


An E-MTB from YT? Seriously? Those don’t go together. Forget about it!

Whoever thinks that E-MTBs are for old or lazy people has really missed the boat. Until now! The drop of the brand new Decoy will be a wake up call even for the hardest doubters, will demonstrate the mountain bike world what's possible with an E-MTB and that they are incredibly fun to ride.

The Decoy opens up a new world of mountain biking. It lets you go further and discover new trails that you would never have ridden before, and it also lets you really make the most of your time on the bike – all of which means more fun. With the Decoy you will master climbs that you have never even attempted with another mountain bike, promised!

bigquotesRiding the Decoy is like downhill with a built-in shuttle. The difference: going uphill is now a lot more fun than sitting in a lift chair.Markus Flossmann, CEO


It's a YT: downhill-genes uncaged

An E-MTB from YT must first and foremost be able to prove itself worthy of its downhill genes. That's why, just like on all bikes, YT relies on their proven and award-winning V4L (Virtual 4 Link) rear suspension linkage that literally sticks your bike to the ground, but still has enough pop to launch off every root and enjoy the airtime. The 165 mm of rear travel combined with our new-school geometry creates a trail weapon with extra power. Additionally, YT have minimized the pedal kick-back to avoid any negative influences on the suspension action.

New-School-Geometry unites ergonomics and performance

The geometry of the Decoy delivers consistent performance on long rides and on every trail, whether uphill, downhill, technical or steep. The steep seat tube angle and the long chainstays ensure awesome climbing performance while the slack headangle settles the bike’s handling and gives you a feeling of control when things get steep and fast. The dynamic reach balances the bike perfectly and makes sure the overall length is kept in check. As a result, the center of gravity is deep and leaves you feeling like you’re sitting in the bike, with a perfect mix of stability and agility at your disposal. The FlipChip lets you adjust the BB height as well as the head tube and seat tube angles to adapt the geometry to your preferences and your type of terrain.


Technical features: creative solutions

The 540 Wh battery of the Decoy is YTs own development. For dependable performance and long lasting power, it comes with thirty battery cells of the very latest technology – in fact the very same type of cells that Tesla features in their cars. The battery is fully integrated in the downtube, held in place by two dedicated bolts and can be charged both on and off the bike. Powering the 250 watts Shimano STEPS E8000 engine the Decoy masters even the steepest trails. The engine runs silent, is one of the lightest engines on the market (2.8 kg) and, thanks to its slim design, is ideally integrated into the frame. The lightweight and compact Shimano Steps E7000 display lets you choose between three support modes and achieve a range of about 100 km (Eco) with the Decoy. As usual, YT also put a lot of love into the details that really make the difference. Technical features such as internal cable routing, double-sealed bearings and integrated frame protection not only emphasize the high quality standards of the brand, but also simplify the handling and maintenance of the bike and extend the lifetime of the Decoy.

29” & 27,5”: Best of both wheels

Just like on a motocross, the Decoy makes use of two different wheelsizes on the same bike – the best of two worlds. The 27.5” rear wheel is fitted with a 2.8” tire that can be run with lower pressure without becoming unstable, which creates a larger contact patch that in return generates massive grip. Up front, the 29” wheel with its 2.4” tire is sharp and direct enough to let you carve through every turn with precision.


Progressive design

Design plays an important role in the development of new models at YT. Just look at the Decoy: With the E-Enduro you can join any group of mountain bikers without sticking out like a sore thumb. It just looks damn good! The design language is progressive, clean and expresses perfectly both the technological competence and the high quality standards of the brand. From the integrated rechargeable battery to the volume-matched tube sets, the compact display and the material and color design: The Decoy bears the distinctive signature of the YT designers, both inside and out, and thus blends in optically with the existing YT range.


Decoy range
Three built kits of the DECOY are available, each in five frame sizes from S to XXL. Every model is equipped with YT's custom 540 Wh battery, Shimano's STEPS E8000 engine and E7000 display.

CF Pro Race


At the very top of the range, the Decoy CF Pro Race is the right choice if you are looking for a lightweight E-MTB with high-end components, and maximum adjustability. The Fox 36 Float Factory 29” E-Bike+ fork featuring 160 mm of travel and the Fox Float X2 Factory are Kashima-coated and offer first-class damping, control, and adjustability. The electronic XT Di2 transmission provides lightning quick and precise shifting across the 11 gears of the e*thirteen TRS Plus cassette. The lightweight e*spec Race carbon wheels keep the weight down while ensuring stability, traction and security at the same time thanks to the 29”/27.5” size combo. SRAM’s powerful Code RSC brakes have been paired up with 200 mm Centerline rotors to guarantee the best possible braking performance, while the seamlessly adjustable Fox Transfer Factory dropper post and Renthal’s 800 mm wide Fatbar 35 handlebar round out this top-shelf build in style.

CF Pro


The Decoy CF Pro is equipped with the high-performance Fox 36 Float Performance Elite 29“ E-Bike+ fork with 160 mm of travel as well as the Fox Float DPX2 Performance Elite shock. The Shimano XT transmission ensures precise shifting across the wide-range, 9-46T TRS Plus cassette from e*thirteen, while SRAM’s Code RS brakes provide reliable stopping power in any situation. E*thirteen‘s e*spec Plus wheels deliver speed, stability, traction and security at the same time thanks to the 29”/27.5” size combo. The SDG Tellis dropper post and the 800 mm Renthal Fatbar 35 complete the build of the CF Pro and make it the right choice for those who are looking for an E-MTB with a high-performance motor as well as high-end components, but who prefer mechanical shifting.

CF Base


The Decoy CF Base marks the entry into the YT E-MTB category. Featuring a carbon main triangle with an aluminum rear end, the CF Base comes equipped with the RockShox Yari RC 29” DebonAir E-MTB fork with 160 mm of travel and the RockShox Deluxe R shock. The XT transmission from Shimano ensures precise shifting, while the SRAM Code R brakes with their 200 mm Centerline rotors can always be counted on to slow you down when you need to. Up front, the DT SWISS HI900 SPLINE wheels in 29” size bring speed and stability, while the 27.5” Plus version out back provides extra traction and security. The SDG Tellis dropper post and the 800 mm Race Face Aeffect R 35 handlebar complete the DECOY CF Base build.

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222 Comments

  • + 99
 This photo is what I use to explain how I feel about e-bikes: chimaeraspeaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/america-fitness-s.jpg
  • + 8
 Ahahahahahahah! The Perfect explanation...
  • + 22
 You've completely missed the point.... you can still get fit and cover twice the ground in the same time. Also, plenty of people love downhill, and an ebike just gives you moor! I'm looking forward to owning one in the future to keep my trail/enduro bike company.
  • - 1
 LOL absolutely true, but at the same time fits n+1(n=number of bikes currently owned) perfectly Wink
  • + 7
 @Jamsxr: Yeah, I don't see too much complaining about shuttles and lift access...
  • + 0
 I live in England were the weather is crap most of the year.i have a Santa Cruz nomad witch is a blast to ride on my local trails when the weather is good..but I allso have a vitus e summit e bike witch i use in the winter because it’s more fun to ride then my nomad.best of both worlds.nomad for summer vitus e summit for winter..
  • - 5
flag Extremmist (Mar 28, 2019 at 16:42) (Below Threshold)
 @Jamsxr: If you want to cover twice the ground, just ride twice as fast.
  • + 8
 @Nygaard Taking the escalator to the gym is far better than not going to the gym at all.
  • + 16
 Well, this photo explains how I feel about you and all the nincompoops.

i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

I'm riding EMTB for more than two years now and I'm still excited. And I was hoping YT would bring one - directly ordered today! I own a Capra too. The Tues is sold already, needed no more. I'm a gravity addicted feeling younger than 54 and more talented than lots of twens...
I'll never touch a XC or even a road bike... no fun for me. But I'll never be a grinch or hater! Do what you like! Respect the others!
  • + 12
 Not everyone cares about "earning their turns". More laps = more fun.
  • + 3
 Just do a Pink-E bike section, alright !!
  • + 2
 Damn, youre the man.
  • + 3
 @mokydot: Thanks , but I know that already Wink
  • + 4
 Who cares about fitness, this were talking about mountainbiking which is meant to be FUN. As far as I can tell pedaling uphill sucks?
  • + 0
 God you're cringey
  • + 1
 get off strava and enjoy your bike and a Emtb wont be an issue..
  • + 58
 Checked my calendar to see if it was the 1st.
  • + 41
 Makes perfect sense to use an e-bike as a shuttle alternative - go to your local DH track, e-bike it up the fire road and get a load more runs in that you could ever mange either under your own steam or pushing up. Also makes perfect sense for big mountain stuff or people with any kind of physical disability, be that a bad knee, old age etc etc

What isnt a good use of this kind of bike is the type of person who lugs a 165mm travel 2.8" tyre e-bike round their local trail centre, trail centres are designed to include ups and downs, give yourself a good workout, make those climbs on your own steam, save the e-bike for big mountain stuff, dont ruin the trail centre experience for others.
  • + 9
 What about those with a physical disability that want to go to a trail centre on one?
  • + 34
 I'm genuinely interested in that last point though (and not just asking this to be a troll).... but why is it ruining the experience for others? What difference does it make if someone overtakes you on an e-bike? As everyone knows, they have a motor so of course they will be faster. It's not cheating anyone if you aren't racing. And they really don't chew up the ground any more than a regular bike being hammered up a hill or aggressively being ridden down.
  • + 59
 How about we all just mind our own business and let others ride whatever and wherever they want
  • + 40
 Met a bunch of eBikers in Finale that were taking uplifts. To save the battery for going downhill. Wtf.
  • + 27
 I love my ebike. It makes flat trails into flow trails. It gives me a rest on the ups, so I can enjoy the downs without being knackered. I can do twice as many runs. It gives me a good workout to my whole body rather than just my legs. And I'm not ruining anybody else's experience. You ride what you want to ride, and I'll do the same.
  • - 3
 @bigtim: I'll give you an example: I was riding the local trails here in Albuquerque when a dude on an e-bike came zooming up the hill around a corner (seriously, I thought he was a pro XC rider until I saw he was on an e-bike). It freaked me out a bit, and my time to react was reduced due to our mutual speed of approach. My concern that e-bikes may lead to more hazards on the trail with heavier bikes now moving with increasing speed toward each other in both directions. Should e-bikes now yield to downhill traffic?
  • + 6
 Nothing wrong with ebikes in a trail center, as long as those trails are being managed and maintained with ebikes in mind. As LemonadeMoney has mentioned, a capable human can do twice as much mileage in a given time frame, on an ebike. As ebike use increases, so does the maintenance requirements, due to increased mileage per person. Trail Orgs need to make sure that land managers and all involve parties are OK with motorized use in those areas. Very few Trail Orgs (at least around here) have been able to revise their policies and practices at the same rate as ebike influx. And this says nothing of the unmitigated areas, where nothing but a hard-work threshold limits the rate of wear that a trail will receive. It's easy to turn a blind eye to how a single ebike may or may not change the way this sport has been managed and maintained over many decades, but as those numbers grow, it's undeniable.
  • + 3
 @cxfahrer: good grief...
  • + 3
 @IllestT: Okay im going offroading in a Jeep now. I'll tell exactly the Police they should mind their own business.
  • + 2
 E-bikes at a trail centres are fine by me if the riders exercise proper trail etiquette. Unfortunately this isn't usually the case, I have had multiple instances of ebike riders coming up behind me on a climb and just barging past without even acknowledging my existence. They also like to ignore the switchbacks and just plough through them in a straight line where possible.
  • - 30
flag Extremmist (Mar 28, 2019 at 16:53) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername Yes, it indeed makes perfect sense to use a bike as a shuttle alternative on a DH track. But this is clearly not a DH bike.

@JosHan What about those with a physical disability? f*ck them. This is like letting someone on a wheelchair put on an exoskeleton suit because he wants to go to the gym and squat 500 lbs. If you're disabled, you can't do certain things - that's why you're called disabled after all. Get over it.
  • + 9
 @Extremmist: you're a tosser.
  • + 1
 @Davec85: Really - and you think this is because they are ebike riders - if you ride where there are alot of XC climbers its the same - they are on a damn mission - those XC guys are serious freaks!
  • + 1
 @cxfahrer: haha, at Geißkopf Bikepark I was the only one riding the EBike Uphill flowtrail on my Enduro, whilst the Ebikers took the chairlift lol
  • + 4
 @Extremmist: you seem a nice guy
  • + 0
 @JosHan: With a "physical disability" you should think twice doing downhill, brother Wink
  • + 2
 @themountain: So now you're not allowed to ride downhill if you've got a bad knee?
  • - 1
 @JosHan: well you shouldn´t...nobody said anything about permission. Wink
  • + 0
 @bigtim: these idiots just jump on the ebike hating bandwagon without looking at facts and using common sense. Yet if they got one for free they'd ride it. As long as it's not illegal where you ride what difference does it make.
  • + 0
 @IllestT: but you have to understand these guys are the true mountain bikers the rest are just pansies. We can't compare to them.
  • + 0
 @cxfahrer: so what who cares.
  • + 4
 @Extremmist: I think you have a disability of the brain idiot.
  • + 1
 @IllestT: Yes brother!!
  • + 0
 @Riwajc: Mensa thinks I have a high enough IQ to not give a f*ck what you think, idiot.

@JosHan Being honest is more important than being nice. My point is; if you can't pedal your bike uphill, why pretend you can? In road cycling, it's called cheating so what makes mountain biking different?
  • - 1
 Take a look at Martyn Ashton, paralysed from the waist down in 2013, riding the UCI World Cup at Fort William in 2018, e-bikes are here to stay, it's better that we all just accept peoples choices of how they achieve the grin factor, happy riding.
  • + 2
 @Gavalar66: well Martyn Ashton isnt a good example ...he could ride a downhill rig only with his head ! Its about all the other guys who have zero skills AND a disability mental or phisical..doesent matter.
  • + 0
 @themountain: Ashton is a great example, he was a Mountain Biker before his accident and he continues to be a rider post injury, there's space aplenty for everyone to get along and have fun doing so, be it electric or not, happy riding.
  • + 33
 "...and that they are incredibly fun to ride. "
Very few people argue that motorcycles aren't fun.
  • + 28
 "Live Uncaged". Nah...I'll live unplugged. Thanks.
  • + 1
 now go delete your strava or your a hypocrite.
  • + 1
 @GrizzlyAaron: yeah, I quit Strava years ago, but I don't see the relevance of your comment. Are you saying that I'm so fast you think I'm on an e-bike? lol
  • + 16
 "Whoever thinks that E-MTBs are for old or lazy people has really missed the boat. Until now!"

Lol. Yeah.
  • + 1
 “It lets you go further and discover new trails that you would never have ridden before” ...because you are lazy.

“you will master climbs that you have never even attempted” ...because you are lazy.

“you can join any group of mountain bikers without sticking out like a sore thumb”...because you are lazy.

I guess I missed the boat.
  • + 1
 Totally missed the boat. I don’t have an eBike but the thought of going faster and turning a 4,000 ft day into a 7,000 day is pretty appealing. You know you can pedal just as hard on an eBike right Wink @ktnkgb:
  • + 16
 It looks less like an e-bike than the Marin's Mount Vision
  • + 1
 Great comment so true
  • + 14
 Fine geez!
Now can we please finally have a enduro hardtail?
Come on YT.
  • + 5
 Steel.
  • + 7
 I guess cycling isn’t a sport anymore. If you want to ride further or faster, then train. We all have limits doesnt mean we have to bastardize or sellout a sport. The companies that produce ebikes are just as guilty and weak. It will be a problem. People will encroach even further into wilderness areas and worse still, they will be the type of person who buys an ebike... if you want to frequent a bike park with an ebike fine but keep them out of mountain trails.
  • - 4
flag Jamsxr (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:46) (Below Threshold)
 You've completely missed the point.... you can still get fit and cover twice the ground in the same time. Also, plenty of people love downhill, and an ebike just gives you moor! I'm looking forward to owning one in the future to keep my trail/enduro bike company.
  • + 4
 Thanks but id rather earn my ride and not encroach further into already dwindling wilderness areas. Trails are already crowded and really cant stand the whizzing motors of idiots with drones filming, bluetooth speakrs or ebikers. Its a sport. Soon people will wear suits to play soccer like messi! @Jamsxr:
  • + 1
 @jeffitup: so and what with all the folks using an upliftshuttle to get their enduro bike to the trailhead. ... like seen all over where mountains can be reached by car......
  • - 7
flag yeti-monster (Mar 28, 2019 at 14:17) (Below Threshold)
 @Jamsxr: f*cking yawn, how many times do you have to make the same comment. Man up grow some balls, get fit and ride a proper bike. They're for fat lazy old bastards with more money than sense trying to keep up with regular folk. And most fail
  • - 4
flag Jamsxr (Mar 28, 2019 at 14:34) (Below Threshold)
 @yeti-monster: plenty of young for pro riders are using them. I did 4,000 feet of climbing at the weekend, could have been 7,000 on an eBike, meaning more downhill. There will always be naive and ignorant people. Chill.
  • + 5
 @jeffitup: you get twats on all bikes, they just might stick out more on an eBike.
  • + 7
 Hilarious, but normally if you ride out far enough you can escape all them twats lol. With ebikes there will be twats everywhere!@Jamsxr:
  • - 3
 @jeffitup: haha! Well maybe you should be more accepting Wink seriously though, they’re not just for twats, plenty of capable riders with normal bikes also like to shred on an eBike.
  • + 4
 -shuttles use roads last time checked not mountain bike trails @clemson:
  • + 0
 @jeffitup: your the best
  • + 6
 @Jamsxr: Yeah man, thats where I draw the line. If you ride a mountain bike with a motor or ride with a bluetooth speaker blaring music on the trails then I'm sorry, you're a twat. Its ok though, there are enough of you out there so if you go in big enough groups you'll feel like less of a twat. you can even have twat races!

Look, there are animals and delicate ecosystems out there and we need to show respect, not crowd the trails and spread our recreation further into precious wilderness areas. whats next? Charging stations sponsored by red bull and vending machines? lights and speakers in the trees?

Another common argument that I hate: who cares what someone else rides its none of your business. Well last time I checked we are a community. Trail advocates, builders, park services, land owners, riders, hikers, horseback... we all share the trails and need to respect and be a part of the community and move the SPORT in the right direction. Have respect for nature and everyone on the trails.
  • - 7
flag optimumnotmaximum (Mar 29, 2019 at 1:59) (Below Threshold)
 @jeffitup: you speak of the thing you entirely lack -respect. you may have points there but your way of talking is pretty much unbearable.
  • + 8
 @optimumnotmaximum: respect for what? bluetooth speakers? ebikes? red bull? at least I never directly went after an individual... you're the bully dude. its ok though I'm a big boy and can take it. cheers!
  • - 5
flag optimumnotmaximum (Mar 29, 2019 at 2:23) (Below Threshold)
 @jeffitup: lets face it, if you really wanted to change something you would have to find a solution in a dialoge with the people you call "idiots" and "twats" -not the best way to start.
  • + 7
 @optimumnotmaximum: Point taken. If you read the whole feed though "Twats" was introduced by the person I was responding too and arguing against.

I'd be nice if you had something to add to the debate rather than going after individuals. Which in any debate is a fail IMO... I'd be interested in hearing. Best.
  • - 2
 @jeffitup: the thread stands for it self so i wont repeat who wrote what. ebikes a problematic, especially concerning trail access or acceptance of bikers in society. i really doubt though that the main problem is more people diving deeper into the wilderness. usually ebikers stay close to citys or mountainside carparks. for most ebikers wildernesstrails are too burdensome, plus usually those trails do not end in beergardens. this sounds like a cliche but it is also my experience. yes there will be problems on the trails mentioned above, but the solution is not raging. in my opinion in those areas you will have to have seperate trails for hikers and bikers. seperate trails for e and non ebikers would be great too but thats not going to happen. one other question has to be asked: are ebikes really the problem, or is it just more people on trails and in the woods -if so who gives us the right to say other people what to ride. would it be different if mtb was all the rage and a lot of regular noobs stormed the trails?
  • - 5
flag Riwajc (Mar 29, 2019 at 5:30) (Below Threshold)
 No one is forcing you to ride an ebike
  • - 6
flag Riwajc (Mar 29, 2019 at 5:31) (Below Threshold)
 @jeffitup: just shut your trap you moron
  • + 5
 Great argument lol... can i get some bluetooth with my bike lol@Riwajc:
  • - 2
 @Jamsxr: Exactly, some of my friends own regular bikes aswell as emtb's. I myself don't own an emtb, but do see the benefits of owning one. Each to their own, live and let live, etc etc;
  • + 4
 @optimumnotmaximum: Definitely the issue is trail access and ebikes making it easier for people to infest an already strained system... Do bikes with motors belong on hiking, horseback and mountain bike trails? for me no. in some areas trail access is already a contentious issue with trail systems sprawling into wilderness effecting the wildlife, traffic, water drainage and everything else. Ebikes make it easier for people to travel further, faster with more gear. Not something my local trails need. This is just the beginning and there needs to be caution moving forward.
  • - 3
 @jeffitup: Hey - I'm looking forward to going to the Gym in my Exoskeleton Suit to lift weights. Smile

Give us a break mannnn - power (one battery at a time) to the people.
  • + 2
 @Riwajc: You should live by your own words Wink
  • + 10
 This double backflip was absolutely perfect thought...
  • + 5
 Amazing riding! I want this E-bike thing to stop though ..#makemtbgreatagain lol.

I just finished an evening hike-a-bike on my fatbike .. was it cold? Yes! Snowy? Yes! Was it hard work ? Yes! Did I ever want a motor ? No!!!!!! Am I wishing I was out there right now? Hell yes! No pain no gain! I did it all under my own power without assistance .. and felt great after.

There’s people that’ll scramble with their bikes on their backs to access backcountry terrain/ gnar I could fathom slinging an e-bike on my shoulders.

Some things are better enjoyed when not easier..I think riding one of those things!
  • + 1
 I see what you're saying. But just curious if you'd be up for multiple thousand meters of climbing on 99% tarmac, or if you would just get shuttled. This is where I see this type of ebike making sense. Because earning it is fun, but if your shortest climb was 700m on roads, would you be just as stoked about the climb?
  • + 3
 @BuddhaDharma Good for you and congratulations and everything but why should everybody have to enjoy mountain biking the same way as you do? Nobody wants to stop you from riding your fatbike or whatever bike the way you like it and as long as it stays like that let others enjoy to ride the way they like it...
  • + 7
 Yt’s marketing BS is arguably at its largest here, and that’s saying something
  • + 1
 Where is the BS?
  • + 6
 @Jamsxr: here:
"It lets you go further and discover new trails that you would never have ridden before - (I call bollocks on that), and it also lets you really make the most of your time on the bike – all of which means more fun. With the Decoy you will master climbs that you have never even attempted with another mountain bike, promised (I also call bollocks on that, not cleared maybe but attempted??)!

"YT relies on their proven and award-winning V4L (Virtual 4 Link) rear suspension linkage that literally sticks your bike to the ground, but still has enough pop to launch off every root and enjoy the airtime". Hmm a bike that sticks like glue but is poppy and playful??

"As a result, the center of gravity is deep and leaves you feeling like you’re sitting in the bike, with a perfect mix of stability and agility at your disposal" Agility and ebike do not belong together (I have an ebike and have rode many, agile is not what i'd call them)

"Design plays an important role in the development of new models at YT. Just look at the Decoy: With the E-Enduro you can join any group of mountain bikers without sticking out like a sore thumb. It just looks damn good" I'll beg to differ on this one, it looks like it's got a battery in the down tube, accept it and move on. I doubt anyone is going to think, oooh that pregnant enduro bike pedals well

"The design language is progressive, clean and expresses perfectly both the technological competence and the high quality standards of the brand." Pure marketing BS as for quality standards , insert cracked frames and piss poor quality service to the US customers comments here

Anything else?
  • - 7
flag Jamsxr (Mar 28, 2019 at 14:32) (Below Threshold)
 @sewer-rat: wow, you seem like a bundle of joy. I don’t have an eBike but they look wicked fun. I did 4,000 feet of climbing last weekend, that could have been over 7,000 on an eBike, meaning even more time going downhill! Where my brother lives in Scotland, people using eBikes have created new trails where people couldn’t manage just using muscle power. Good marketing in my option, and great brand!
  • + 6
 @Jamsxr: lol copy paste
  • - 6
flag Jamsxr (Mar 28, 2019 at 15:06) (Below Threshold)
 @yeti-monster: have the possibilities of copy and paste just dwelled on you! ????
  • - 4
flag bikeinbih (Mar 28, 2019 at 15:22) (Below Threshold)
 @sewer-rat: Well, that's called marketing and you can find the same amount of real or perceived BS in any other brands' press releases.

Btw. you should try an ebike once and you will realize that not everything is BS. For example "you will master climbs that you have never even attempted with another mountain bike" - I tried it, and it's true. Unless you are some pro XC guy it can surprise you too...
  • + 4
 @bikeinbih: if you read my response in full you would see I actually own one and have ridden many from many brands, agile they aren’t. Do they have a place? Absolutely yes they do ! Are they fun? Yep they are and I use mine instead of shuttles, however YT have really over egged it on the marketing over recent times, just look at the Walken press release / vid
  • - 4
flag bikeinbih (Mar 28, 2019 at 15:48) (Below Threshold)
 @sewer-rat: I think you over analyze it... who cares? The bike looks great, awesome spec for the price and possibly rides great too.
  • + 3
 @bikeinbih: I care, I care how a brand treats it’s team riders and customers!! Ask Gwin how he feels about em when he was dumped in a heartbeat or Zinc how he feels his experience went with them along with quite a few riders (mainly in the US) who had shite service. You are correct the market has become saturated with marketing bs but in no way does that make it right, especially when your new purchase costs the same as a small new car and is out of date faster than a smartphone, ffs I saw a review on a 2020 Alpine last week
  • + 0
 @sewer-rat: The way I see it, you are complaining about capitalism's current state not just YT. Specialized announced the 2019 Stumpjumper last March and I rode it at Garda in April and they are not alone.
You vote with your wallet and if don't like YT won't buy it...
  • + 3
 @Jamsxr: ...and you are a fashion victim Big Grin
  • + 8
 Young Talent
  • + 39
 this one's for Old Talent
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 @bvd453: comment of the day!!!! Lol
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 @bvd453: old talent is better than no talent.
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 Decay.
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 Who buys these top end ebikes? I fully understand that a lot of recreational people buy ebikes, be it fully or hardtails. However, what's the caliber of people that ride these kind of bikes that have aggressive geometry, top end components and are electrified version of top end enduro race bike.
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 From what ive seen in the past, usually people with more money than sense. But that can apply to a lot of things in life. Don't get me wrong, most people know what they're doing. I was in my local shop a few weeks back, a guy came in typical business owner,who liked riding. Traded in his brand new 6 month old Kenevo, for a brand new S works Levo emtb. By his own admission, he couldn't jump, or ride at a skillfull level. But he was loaded so it didn't matter, he was more worried about what his wife was gonna' say lol;
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 I see a lot of 40year old dudes riding the 180mm Speci E-Bike for trails that are better be ridden with an hardtail... More money than sense.

And they wont say "Hello" back- I assume they have another battery stored in their ass
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 I'm saving!
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 My theory is main brands have desensitised us to high prices, so many riders buy 4k or more MTBs that they can't ride hard so why not put another 1-2k and get a similarly specced ebike...
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 @msusic Is there some special requirement who can ride what? An S-Works Enduro or Stumpjumper costs 1,5x more (9,800€/9,300€) than the highest spec YT Decoy (6,600€) and it's the same with Yeti, Santa Cruz etc. and many people - other than EWS pros - ride those too...
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 Old, out of shape dudes that have more money than skill.
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 @NotNamed: a lot of the e mtbs i see on the trails are top of the line ones.

my favourite ebiker is the one who owns a specialized öhlins top of the line monster and keeps riding the showroom plastic pedals-for the last 2 years. in summer i often meet him in the beergarden and i have shown his bike to my kids and wife multiple times as a warning how wrong things can go if you dont pay attention.
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 @NotNamed: why does what other people do get your panties in a bunch? You sound jealous and insecure.
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 Just ignore me, I'm just waiting for the e-bike haters to comment.
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 It's great entertainment. I love these threads
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 I would never own an e-bike just because I use biking as a form of fitness and they're banned at my local trails, but glad to see YT diversifying the brand. Something tells me this thing would be a blast to ride and it looks amazing. Plus when compared to the other big names this bike is insanely well priced for its spec.
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 Never say NEVER!
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 Oh no, 9-46T TRS Plus cassette on e-bike. that's not going to last more than 3 months.

why would anyone need such a big range on an e-bike, anyway?
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 Not interested. Please more bikes with Fazua that lets you remove the motor/battery pack and ride it like a normal bike. If I was sitting on 7k for a bike, I’d go for E-Zesty
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 You can modify the Olsen bike too.

I expect the Fazua on more bikes eventually. They can't have developed it just for a French company (being a German motor manufacturer).
  • + 1
 Those Lapierre's are interesting. Pretty smart idea being able to remove the motor etc. I wonder if more ebikes manufacturers will follow suit?
  • + 0
 I don't get this idea of removing motor. Would you buy car with option to remove motor and convert it to cart to use horses instead? Bollocks
  • + 1
 @Havier: you ride with battery and motor when you need it. You go to a bike park or a place with shuttles and you remove both, having only 300g of penalty for the coping. A regular, much lighter bike is simply more fun to ride down the hill than a 50lbs cow. You simply get a normal bike whenever you want. To top that Fazua battery and motor weigh just above 8lbs. Power and range are not as good as on a regular e-bike, but most folks I know ride on “eco” mode anyways (that 30% is actually more than enough and cuts the climbing time by more than a half, and full power has diminishing returns since you don’t go 3 times faster than in 30% mode, not even twice as fast while battery life is dropped significantly ) and they have no more than 1,5-2 hours to devote for a ride due to job/ family duties.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I have some experience in riding 26kg ebike on tight steep trails and it doesn't make you any slower. Using smaller batter gives you just less range. I see this idea of making something different just for sake of this 'being different', but there is o functionality gain her for me here. Yep in eco mode at 20% assistance I can cover almost 40k and 7000ft elevation. Remember that getting to top of mountain more times is one thing, then raid more descends is another and you have to be strong enough to cope with it. Those bikes are not just for fat lazy bastards Wink
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 @Havier: sorry but that is clearly not true. i raced 23kg dh bikes back in the days and the weight already was an issue. furthermore on a regular ebike you always have the motor spinning, decoupling the motor on descents will create a more nonebike feeling. on alpine trails there is almost always carrying involved -26 kg sounds fun. fazua is the way to go for people who actually want to ride a bike (with more range) -and not a motorcycle
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 @optimumnotmaximum: Try a Specialized levo with Brose motor, there is no decoupling at all. It's very natural for an e-bike, just feels like a heavy normal bike.
Even the added weight is totally ok, it is just glued on the trail. (yes, bunny hops are extra effort, manuals very difficult). I would never swap a smaller battery for some weight gain. If the battery only lasts for 20min it's also no fun.
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 @Havier: No, no and no. Maybe for you, not for me. Even the best riders say the major difference between riding a regular bike and E-bike is you can't pop and you need to plow more. I won't bother about a difference 13kg vs15kg, but I definitely mind 13kg (or 15kg my current 160 bike with DH tyres) vs 21kg. And E-Zesty will come at 18kg with DH tyres with the motor and 15kg without it. Then if your e-bike, for some reason runs out of battery, you'll appreciate 4kg less to carry around to make a climb back to the ridge.
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 @Havier: I've never ridden an e-bike but ever since they came around I thought if I'd ever get one, I probably need minimal assistance so no need to deal with a heavy battery and motor. I can pedal, I may just appreciate some assistance in the steepest sections. It seems with the Fazua motor and the Shimano Steps 7000, the industry is finally heading that direction. And very often of course, I don't need assistance at all so to have a single bike that allows me to physically remove the assistance (and the weight) makes it all the more useful. The Olsen bike allows you to swap between Pinion, Shimano Steps or just a regular rear mech so that made it an interesting option. Lapierre did a great job here on a full suspension bike and I expect pretty much every company that makes e-bikes to follow suit (and also make cheaper alternatives).
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 Fortunately everybody is different and has different needs. Otherwise this world would very boring Smile
This was just my opinion as I would rather cope with heavier bike, for sake of being able to have much more riding, practicing trails to ride better, getting tired by descending trails instead of by getting to then. And most important to be able to repeat it on next day. It also means less time spent at gym with weights. I'm also far from trying to convince anybody to this, why would you put such good weapon to your opponent's hands, this is when it comes to practicing for race Wink
  • + 1
 @Havier: I totally get your point on riding more and longer, but for many many people with full time jobs they are limited with time of max 2h per one midweek ride whether they like it or not. Fazua is really not much worse than others in terms of range - 1000 verts per ride in it's full power is not bad by any standards. The real problem with E-zesty is whatever shock (I'd change to CCDB directly - if it fits!) and geo is a bit off. Not much but not best you could hope for.
  • + 3
 The bike seems brilliant

But aftersales problems scares me a lot

If i have standard component failure.. i can sobstitute by myself
..

But with engine????

Is like to buy a motocicle online....
  • + 1
 I've been rather opinionated and against e-bikes but recently rode a friends Trek and it was pretty cool. After that I had been eyeing the prospect of a YT Decoy. Then last week I suffered a tibia fracture as a result of a kitesurfing accident. So now I have 2-3 months of recovery and rehab so guess what? The Decoy is probably a good choice for me now. Either that or it's longer before I can ride!
  • + 1
 Whatever happens I think we can agree that they are here to stay...

I'm not fussed if people want to ride e-bikes if it gives them some sort of entitlement feeling of beating you up a climb...since when was climbing the fun part of mtb anyway?

I can still kick their butt on the downhills Razz
  • + 2
 YT = Young Talent? Youth and ebikes don't typically go together.

Might have to change the company name if this isn't an elaborate joke.
  • + 1
 YT left out the part about the built in small battery air compressor. So you can fill your tires on the trail and also blow the sand out of your v_____ because climbing hurts too much.
  • + 2
 "With the E-Enduro you can join any group of mountain bikers without sticking out like a sore thumb. It just looks damn good" says all of their intended market.
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 i dont get it why all the ebike companies integrate these huge batteries. why dont they use a changeable 100Wh battery with a fifth of the weight and volume, would be enough to go uphill with full motor support for half an hour or maybe 500 vertical meters. then you could have a sweet downhill with a lighter, thinner and cheaper bike and if you want to ride again you could roll to your car and change battery.
  • + 1
 well maybe you can retro fit the smaller battery and then stuff some other things in the downtube.
  • - 3
 The extra weight doesn't hamper the decent very much, if anything.
  • + 1
 the none integrate ones you can fit smaller batteries but to be fair it drastically reduces your range. If you are shuttling up to do downhill trails turbo really eats into the battery
  • + 3
 And behold, the readers of Pinkbike went nuclear.... brace yourselves for many MANY comments.....
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 Haha, I cant wait for all the knuckle draggers to fill up the classifieds with their used YT’s in protest at the company’s decision to start selling ebikes.
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 This is like Trumps pre-election promise:

Not buying it
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flag THE-GUNT (Mar 28, 2019 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 Why do you care about Trump?
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 @THE-GUNT: Why doesnt ANYONE care about Drumph? He'd nuke us all if it meant his approval rating goes up Big Grin
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flag THE-GUNT (Mar 28, 2019 at 10:13) (Below Threshold)
 @ChickenStrips: ignorance .
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 Didn't think that YT would ever take the steps.
  • + 1
 I see what you did there.
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 It must have been a tough decision to Tues the name
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 It’s a good big to ride with your brose
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 I hope those e-bikers won't ever find my hometrails
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 Took my wife and kids to a trail centre at the weekend. Ebikers had taken over, seriously 40% of what was being ridden.
Only ever seen 1 or 2 on my proper trails though. You should be ok if your riding decent gnarly or techy stuff, not really their scene and not really welcome on what we've built.
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 coming soon, Lacon e-edit to prove how fun they are
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 I like how all the ebike edits the riders are all pinning it way beyond the speed at which the motor has already cut out
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 Despite what the people off of the forums say it turns out ebikes are very very popular
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 For sure. Hottest market in Europe right now. 40% of bikes sold in the Netherlands are ebikes. Germany sold a million last year - up 36% from 2017. I was reading about a new factory being built in Spain because they can't keep up with the demand. Like you said, very popular.

No, I don't own one.
  • + 4
 Best looking ebike yet
  • + 1
 ahhhh classic pinkbike commenters conflict. Have to love YT but hate E-bikes. What will happen besides an increase of entropy?
  • + 2
 Sometimes I wonder how many E-Bike hater rode one themselves?!
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 Best looking Ebike by far, gonna sell huge, even with the price tag;
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 I think Norco's VLT is the best looking. But this one ain't bad.
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 @ssteve: yea the norco was the top of the list, but this is carbon, carbon hoops, di2, factory everything for way cheaper that the norco low end spec ‘top of the range”
  • + 0
 @Richt2000: Only concern is with the E13 hubs, they are junk. They should work on them because even if their hoops aren't the best, they are not that bad regarding the price.
  • + 1
 You might want to check Husqvarnas HARD CROSS Ebikes, those things are +18 material!
  • + 2
 Cue cognitive dissonance.
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 Deep man, had to Google that
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 I am only here for the comments Big Grin
  • + 0
 I think I'm going to buy this and carry a jar to fill up with tears from starva whores and butthurt riders that cant handle someone riding a different bike than themselves.
  • + 1
 Ohhh the cool kids is on the e-market as well...
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 So people are really gonna buy mixed wheel bikes?
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 pros using it and some marketing and people will buy ANYTHING.

ps; nothing against mixed wheel size myself
  • + 0
 Waiting on the Matrix style plug in which allows me instantaneously to have those skills.
  • - 3
 very good ,very good ,looks like a Capra but more muscled,and there was a part when he almost wanted to “push”the throttle:-)))),it’s the future,just embrace,but not yet for me ,cause the problems are gonna happen for people that really gonna start ridding them for real ,like doing 40 km with 1000 meters or more with almost on the gas and after a phew months problems will come and that will be so many rides to miss if you don’t hown another bike,but for the rest what a dream this is the E bike,glad they came so that many people could ride and have fun with her friends on “old school bikes(no motor on it)”keep on ,very good work on this bike YT it looks amazing ,and love that shimano di screen ,good job
  • + 1
 I see bottle mounts, but can you really squeeze one in there...?
  • - 1
 After the last videos from YT I was expecting an epic movie to watch. im sure this track was used by Commencal for an edit a few months back. Meh!
  • + 1
 Naa man, just naa! Thought you was better than than YT
  • + 0
 I'm still not thinking of getting an E bike but if i ever do the choices will be plenty.
  • + 1
 I've ordered a Decoy Pro Race just got to wait until July now
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 Here is the day when Earth begins to spin in the opposite direction! I like it!!! Big Grin
  • - 2
 Canyon spectral-on , also 29/27,5 but no carbon frame but a shimano battery.
The Canyon with the same specs will cost you 800€ less and weights 500gr less.

But the YT has got the looks.
  • + 2
 not only do it looks different it also will smack the Spectral-ON. Look how Old the geometry is from the Spectral. Size M Spectral by the way would be Size L for the Decoy. I mean the WB allone ...
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 @Serpentras: Well i have a spectral on in Large size with short stem. It runs like an animal!
The difficulty slowing down.

It’s a damn good looking bike I might have bought my canyon a year too soon ...
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 @nobrain: well if I would only look at the geometry numbers I would prefer the YT . It also looks more capable just because it also have more travel. I would really buy it if it was longer and slacker. My normal rig is longer and slacker. Longer chainstays and reach too.
  • + 0
 Why not a proper e-DH bike? And why no gearbox, weight and efficiency don't matter that much with motors?
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 I'd guess probably because it would cost 10000€ instead of 6000 or whatever.
  • + 1
 It would climb like a pig really wouldn't it? DH Geo isn't really suited to climbing with or without assistance. but also, DH bikes are a rapidly shrinking market. trail centres and purpose built DH trails are getting smoother and more flow/jump based across the board. People just aren't buying DH bikes like they used to are they? if you don't need a DH bike to go down it's pointless having a DH bike that goes up.
  • + 0
 As much as I hate (able bodied riders) E'bikes, that actually looks good. Especially the mullet wheels, totally moto bro
  • + 2
 look ok for an easy bike
  • + 1
 What the duck
  • + 1
 Best e-bike to date?
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 No metal ones?
  • + 0
 The only YT bike that wont be sold out.
  • + 5
 Maybe in the Americas, but this will sell out very quickly in Europe. The pro race spec is better than almost twice the price S-works
  • + 1
 I'm sold by the music
  • + 0
 Just ordered mine...
  • - 2
 Another company that will never get my business. Hit these traitors where it hurts, right in the moneys.
  • - 2
 i think e-bikes are great for old people, or if you wanna go out with your non-rider girl/boy
  • - 3
 Don't forget Fest series riders;
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 This bike looks awesome. I can't wait to get an ebike in the future so I can shred past all the haters!
  • - 1
 E-bikes are unreal fk all the haters
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 Looks ace. Local enduro event had 20% ebikers this weekend. Was a handful a few years back. They are the future for sure.
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 It's not an enduro race if the entire liaisons are not rider powered lol. May as well call it a multi stage DH and use shuttles/chairlift for each track.
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 @gramboh: I know of one event organiser in the UK that has an ebike class, they get one more stage to do which is normally a techy climb.
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 @gramboh: and when the shuttles/chair lifts aren't a thing? Say in the middle of a British forest? I don't ride an ebike but if people want a class for them in a race why not!
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 @gramboh: You forget that in a lot of the world, especially Britain, Vehicles aren't allowed into the forests unless it's the authorities. We have something like 2 chair lift accessed venues and our forest land is mostly not recreational for anything other than walking.
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 @aidy: ok I get that, but unless organizers make the liasons much longer and/or aggressively timed how the hell is riding an ebike an enduro event? Key part of enduro is being out on the bike all day and having the fitness to climb 1,000-2,000m (depend on class) AND STILL BE FIT ENOUGH TO DESCEND AGGRESSIVELY! If you just cruise up a fire road on an ebike to the next DH stage that is not an enduro race.
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 @gramboh: over here they are in their own class
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 E-Goat
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 I want one
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 This intrigues me.
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 Well, better get in before all those who spend far too much time worrying about what others are riding do I guess.
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