YT Jeffsy 29 - First Ride

Apr 7, 2016
by Olly Forster  

YT Industries have been patiently setting the scene for the release of something special, deliberately poking the rumor mill with a unique ad campaign for the launch of their latest bike. It's a bike that for YT will not only challenge some deep rooted and outdated notions within the marketplace, but also introduce the company to a new customer base.

With a somewhat odd name assigned to this new bike whose origins are rooted far from YT's North Bavarian home, it's no surprise people have been talking. Who or what is Jeffsy? As it turns out, Jeffsy is a 140mm 29er that's all about delivering a grin-inducing good time on the trails.
Details
• Intended use: trail riding
• Travel: 140mm
• 29" wheels
• 12x148mm Boost rear (standard front)
• 66.8° - 67.6° adjustable head angle
• Carbon and alloy build options
• YT's Virtual 4-Link System
• Adjustable BB drop +/- 8mm
• External and internal cable routing
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• CF Comp 1 claimed weight: 28.22 lb (12.8kg), size medium
www.yt-industries.com & www.jeffsy.com

The inspiration for the unique name has something to do with a legendary trail builder from the steep, wooded hillsides and valleys of South Wales. Although his actual identity remains anonymous, Jeffsy could just as well be a random name given to the authorities when inquiring about illegal trail building. When the team at YT heard about Jeffsy, they instantly drew a correlation between the idea of a selfless individual, real or not, who would work tirelessly so others could shred, and the bike they had in development. The name stuck, and soon Jeffsy was ready for its international debut.

YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
Combining big wheels within a compact silhouette, the Jeffsy appears to be every bit the fun facilitator as its 27.5" sibling, the Capra, but behind those good looks resides some serious numbers that together equate to a hell raiser on the trails...

Frame Design

The Jeffsy's overall frame shape bears a strong resemblance to the Capra, but there are a few notable difference, particularly when it comes to the rear suspension layout. The bike still uses YT's Virtual 4-Link System (V4L), YT's take on a Horst Link design, but the link that helps drive the shock is now mounted to the seat tube, rather than to a brace between the seat and down tube. This design opened up just enough room for a specially designed water bottle, one that holds exactly a pint of liquid, a measurement we're sure many of you are familiar with. The team at YT even created a unique bottle and cage combo especially for the Jeffsy that has rubber o-rings intended to hold a CO2 cartridge and an inflator. Unfortunately, this doesn't come in the box, but you can add one during checkout, as you do know that YT is a direct sales brand, right?


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
Jeffsy's geometry adjustment 'flip chip' sits at the lower shock bolt.
YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
The familiar 4-bar link design found across YT's full-suspension range.

Aside from the internal routing for the Reverb dropper post and the gear cable, which neatly finishes its journey through the chainstay, the Jeffsy's cable and hose routing is a mostly external affair. This will no doubt please anyone who's struggled with internal routing during services or found the noise of rattling cables inside their frames a touch too annoying. Does it detract aesthetically? Perhaps, but considering how good Jeffsy looks, the sight of hoses and cables is easily offset.

Another potential surprise comes in the shape of no ISCG tabs. YT are keen to distinguish the Jeffsy from its bar brawling sibling, the Capra, and considering the chain retaining abilities of modern drivetrains, are they even needed, especially on a 140mm trail bike? There is however, the option to use the E-Mount tabs on the frame. And while we're on the subject, YT have three Jeffsy models that come with front derailleurs and 2x systems.


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride Photo John Hjord
A frame devoid of ISCG tabs is not a deal breaker and with plenty of great E-Mount chainguides on the market, the option is there should you need additional chain retention - check out the extra protection on the top of the BB shell; nice touch!


Out back a 148mm Boost rear helps add that essential element of stiffness that 29ers need, but does not accept 27.5+ wheels - will this come back to bite YT in the near future? It is a possibility, but considering the relative newness of 27.5+, perhaps YT are waiting for the kinks to be ironed out, especially in the tire and rim market, before jumping in. In the bottom bracket department, a BB92 shell means you're still faced with a push-fit interface, but this smaller standard does goes some way to improve compatibility with aftermarket cranks, especially over the BB30 option.


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
The familiar and welcome sight of a RockShox Pike delivering 140mm of travel.
YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
The carbon Jeffsy has both carbon seat and chainstays, delivering a consistent aesthetic.

As far as geometry goes, the Jeffsy sports a relatively slack 66.8° head angle in the lower of the two geometry settings, with a 435mm chainstay length on the small and medium sizes, and 440mm on the large and XL. The reach numbers are in line with similar bikes in this category, and although YT could likely have stretched the front center measurements even further, what they've come up with is very reasonable. Overall there are few shortfalls in the geometry and little to poke at with some excellent numbers all round, most notably in the BB height, stack height and the generous amount of standover. Big wheels can sometimes require more input and direction from above and it's nice to see this that has been incorporated into the Jeffsy's makeup.


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride

Prices - EUR / USD / CAD / AUD:
• CF Pro: €4499, $5999, $7999, $8099
• CF Comp 1: €3599, $4599, $5999, $8099
• CF Comp 2: €3599, $4399, $5799, $6199
• AL Comp 1: €2799, $3499, $4599, $4799
• AL Comp 2: €2799, $3299, $4499, $4799
• AL: €2199, $2699, $3699, $3799
Colors:
• CF Pro: Coral / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• CF Comp 1: Snow White / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• CF Comp 2: Blue Lagoon / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• AL Comp 1: Black Peal / Raw
• AL Comp 2: Black Pearl / Snow White
• AL: Black Pearl / Blue Lagoon


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
This is what three years of development looks like. This is also what a bike designed to leave you grinning from ear to ear looks like.

So, YT Industries now have a 29er. Did we see this coming? As a brand synonymous with the more 'dynamic' end of the sport, perhaps not, but then why can't a 29er be dynamic? The truth is they can and then some, but this concoction of big wheels and good geometry isn't new... It's certainly not old either and with a few other forward-thinking brands, namely Specialized and more recently, Evil Bikes, having previously proved the potential of such a machine, surely more will follow. Here at Pinkbike we've already suggested as much, so keep watching this space to see what else unfolds.

The ability for 29ers to achieve their full potential has taken some time, but it seems we've finally reached a point where both the technology and the ideas are coming together. We now have stiffer wheels and of course 'Boost', to offset the flex that 29" wheels can be prone to and a better understanding of geometry and how it relates to both the trail and the rider, especially with regards to building bikes with larger wheels. The transition to 27.5" wheels did more than just the obvious - it gave the engineers responsible for the bikes and gear we use the opportunity to explore how far they could push things. With that in mind, the Jeffsy joins a growing list of 29ers that mean business, combining solid geometry and dialed suspension with the raw speed and traction this wheel size is renowned for. The question we wanted to know was how fast, and more importantly, how much fun was Jeffsy going to be out on the trails?







Residing 520 km to the west of the African coast and 1,000 km from the European continent (approximately a one-and-a-half hour flight from the Portuguese capital of Lisbon), the island of Madeira would act as host and home for the two days I would spend getting acquainted with Jeffsy. The topography of Madeira has done its part to shape a thriving mountain bike scene on the island, with a trail network that packs a punch for both its size and isolated location. After setting up the suspension with a good base setting for the coming days' activities, it was to the hills and into the mountains for a one-on-one with Jeffsy.

The first trail of the day, and coincidentally the last of the second day, was called the 'red trail', delivering everything from open piste and high-speed sections up top to jumps and drops with plenty of roots and tight corners under the tree canopy further down. After a few hours, something became very clear: I'd completely forgotten I was on a 29er. This bike is crazy fast, addictively so, and if you were to stick a Monarch Plus shock in the back and a stiffer Lyrik fork up front, well, you'd have a full-blown enduro bike, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride
The amount of traction bestowed by the large wheels, supportive suspension and dialed geometry dished up an uncanny level of reassurance to hit things on the trail just because you could, and just because it was fun.

Over the course of the two days, our guides introduced us to a host of trails, many of which we regrettably only hit once and blind as time was against us, but enough of a sampling to see how Jeffsy would fare in a variety of scenarios. One trail in particular, stood out. It was a slog to get to, with some climbing, gravel roads and the usual rigmarole involved with getting to a trailhead - a good test of Jeffsy's handling on less-than-aggressive trails, which thankfully it dealt with admirably. But this one trail - once we got into it - was fast, very technical, marginally steep throughout and pushed you into a gully packed with large boulders and debris from recent heavy rain storms that had taken their toll on the island. Following our guide, I simply let off the brakes and let Jeffsy come to life as I tried to keep up. Damn, this bike loves to open up, and as you find traction in places you would reconsider going to on a smaller wheeled machine, Jeffsy just holds the line and saves your ass.

Riding by the seat of your pants is a hell of a lot of fun, especially when you're in control, but there's far more to Jeffsy - it also offers both the means to explore and the ability to put the miles down like a good trail bike should. In short, if you like to disappear into the wilds with a view to smash and dominate what you find there, while simultaneously getting out and coming home unscathed, Jeffsy could be the bike for you.


YT Feffsy - Pinkbike First Ride Photo Daniel Roos
Picking the front up and popping off obstacles, big or small, was effortless as the Jeffsy begged to be pushed into territory where most 29ers would struggle, but then Jeffsy isn't your average 29er...


bigquotesHaving spent some time on both the Capra and indeed the Tues - two bikes that scream high octane fun, and of course, 'good times' from the outset, I'm delighted to see the addition of a proper 'trail bike' into YT's range, especially one that fits in perfectly with the rest of the flock. I've seen my fair share of Capras on trails where an EWS-hungry machine such as that isn't perhaps being used to its fullest, trails where a well priced and similarly bad ass machine with more apt geometry, and dare I say, wheels, would not only flourish, but duly conquer. With Jeffsy, YT have made a bold yet decisive move into the trail bike market and choosing 29" wheels for their latest vessel was nothing shy of a stroke of brilliance. - Olly Forster



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MENTIONS: @YTIndustries




377 Comments

  • + 186
 Yt prices are really picking up since they picked up Gwin, sucks.
  • + 25
 Yet still, I expect we'll start seeing a lot of these out on the trails.
  • + 71
 Did they? The basic version goes for 2200€, where the cheapest bikes from YT even cheaper before? I don't think so (but am to lazy to check).
  • + 25
 Gwin need much money to maintain their 911 GT3.
  • + 48
 What is important is to keep the aluminum in its range.
  • + 104
 +1 for @jts-nemo. The new Jeffsey Al is €100 cheaper than the Capra Al and the Tues Al. So the prices going up is untrue.

The Al version coming with a Pike, Monarch, SLX, DT Swiss wheels, Reverb, RaceFace etc, €2199 is an insanely low price!
  • + 59
 4500 € for the top of the line....seems reasonable to me, bruh
  • - 12
flag BenParfitterole (Apr 7, 2016 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 they got to charge a lot to pay for Gwin!
  • - 6
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 7, 2016 at 6:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Bruccio: I think the base models went up in price, no? Base level carbon still 4k?
  • + 21
 The parts list is pretty strong for those price ranges.
  • + 0
 wait until the end of the year, you can get a basic carbon tues for approximately 3000 Euros
  • + 5
 They now have carbon wheels
  • + 18
 Anyone know if they plan to offer a frame only option?
  • + 15
 Not so much. The lower end ones are the same sort of price, and the higher end bikes are around €600-€800 more expensive, but I would say rightly so. They now have carbon rims in addition to cranks, bars ect, and more expensive suspension. I would like to see the carbon rims be optional on the top end bikes though, not everyone needs/wants them, (and they're bloody expensive), but I'm pretty sure everyone wants that Kashima! Damn it looks good!

Could also be down to exchange rate, eg euro/gbp conversion has gone from £0.71/€1 to £0.81.
  • + 11
 Specialized Enduro starting at ~2900 € compared to 2200 € for YT seems Ok. Plus I get much better components and have a much wider product spread (next level Spec Enduro is the Expert AL for ~4000 € which is close to the top YT CF model)
  • + 5
 I think you must be looking at the AUD pricing.
  • + 14
 There top model insanely cheep if you look at the spec and compare to Spec, SC and Ibis's equivalent bikes: XO1, raceface, etc and DT Swiss XMC1200 Spline wheelset? 4,499 euro...others are fully twice that
  • - 21
flag dannygoesmtb (Apr 7, 2016 at 7:02) (Below Threshold)
 @Monkeyass: lol 6k.. Pssh that's pocket money. For that kind of money you can get a sick moto or like a used r1 or Duke 690
  • + 38
 I wanna know how YT is able to produce a full carbon bike + wheels, guide ultimate brakes, XO1 drivetrain, dropper post, so on and so on, for $3,000 less than the other major companies. Can't help but feel scammed by every other company out there.
  • + 6
 @Mattin: Really ? Go compare Carbon Capra VS Carbon troy here in Canada (or any other bike) As an example, the carbon troy sx retail at 5600$CAD(don't forget you NEVER pay full price at your LBS) vs Carbon capra comp at 5700$. I wonder whats the point of direct sale model if i can get a similar bike in a bike shop for barely the same price ? And you don't get f ... if you need to replace something under warranty!
  • + 3
 It is still a fantastic deal!
  • + 9
 @Mathhhh: devinci is Canadian and there for doesn't have to pay the Canadian bike import tax.
I can't remember the percentage but it adds up
  • + 4
 Complete carbon bike with several build options under $5k, starting at $4300. Pretty dang good
  • + 1
 @Mattin: not sure what you mean by insanely?
  • - 10
flag mizzter-b (Apr 7, 2016 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Monkeyass: shame they stuck FOX 34 and shock on instead of pike/monarch
  • + 1
 @Billjohn6: you are. you can buy a new MX bike for the same price as the mass produced big name mtb's sure! Yt are giving a kick in the bollox to the LBS's but hey, thats the way the industries going and the lbs need to react and change their business model to suit
  • + 0
 @mitch1616: Yes, but it show you can get a similar/better bike for the same price in a bike shop. I was 99% sure to get a Capra but now theirs canadian price kill the deal ..

No hate on YT but the actual price on their bike make it less tempting than it was.
  • - 4
flag dannygoesmtb (Apr 7, 2016 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 This just shows.. This sport is becoming more and more for the rich people of the western world
  • + 9
 @Mathhhh: The Carbon Troy however has always been a great deal. I agree with you, pretty hard to justify going YT when I can buy a Canadian bike with a LIFETIME warranty at my local LBS for less. Team Devinci!
  • + 2
 @chize: That's my biggest question. I have a full build I could just swap onto that bike and be happy as can be
  • + 12
 @Monkeyass: I'm not sure "insanely cheap" and any mountain bike product belong in the same sentenceWink
  • + 9
 @dannygoesmtb: The world of sports has always been expensive. From skiing, MotoX, Surfing and cycling. The thing you need to realize that if you love something so much and you're very passionate about it you can save up and get what you want.

I'm far from being rich yet I own a very expensive ass bike. I had to make some sacrifices and I did save up for a while but I love this sport/lifestyle.

So, if you see some young adult buying a car for $15k-$20k think to yourself are they rich? Nah, they just bought it on credit and dropped a down payment.
  • + 3
 @Mathhhh: word. The Troy SX is a killer value. It IS my next bike.
  • + 1
 @Earthmotherfu: compared to most cycling companies you'll end up saving enough money to go ride enduro trails in the alps for a week. (Traveling from the Netherlands or the UK).
  • + 0
 @LiquidSpin: thanks for that pearl of wisdom from the font of knowledge Wink
  • + 4
 Danny, they actually have not changed unless there was an upgrade in the component kit from 2015. The price of the entry level Jeffsy, is actually less than any Capra or TUES ever.
  • + 3
 @mitch1616: 13% is the complete bike import tax. That definitely adds up.
  • + 4
 lol wut? $4k for a full carbon setup is the same price as the frame alone on higher end Spesh and Trek.
  • + 1
 @eastcoast97: Except I can't seem to identify a big wheeled Devinci in their current line up.
  • + 5
 That's OK, I hate Jeffsy........for not having a Metric Shock!!!
  • + 8
 I wonder how many off the people that upvote actually bought a 2015 Tues pro. I did and i paid 3999euro
The new tues with fox (fox is almost the same price as BOS in europe) and the other new parts was Carbon cranks, Carbon bars, and Carbon wheels.


So all the new carbon parts stands for the higher price on the 2016 tues. Think before you upvote and take someone else opion and make it youre own
  • + 2
 @Billjohn6: Especially when the geometry is less dialed on those other ones, who advertise that the models they produce are the result of a practically unlimited R&D budget.
  • + 10
 Stick a Santa Cruz logo on the downtube and watch the price instantly double.
  • + 2
 @Billjohn6: Direct sales.
  • - 1
 I don't know, once you ride carbon wheels you realise all the marketing talk around them isn't bullshit and they do feel incredible on the trail
  • + 1
 Specialized are notoriously expensive though compared to other brands for the spec you get
  • + 2
 @Mathhhh: How can't you compare the Troy to the Capra? One is a AM and an Enduro. Also you got to compare the specs. You can't just say oh they are both carbon
Pike RC Solo air VS Lyric rct3
Monarch rt 3 VS Monarch plus RC 3
Guide R VS Guide RC
Spline 1900 VS E13 TRS+
Prologo Saddle VS SDG
OEM tires VS Aftermarket tires
  • + 2
 @justwan-naride: Because YT is a direct sales brand. Bike shops need to make a profit too.
  • + 4
 Does direct sales really save 30% off cost? That would mean specialized charges 6k for an sworks stumpy but then it jumps up to cost consumers 9k because it goes through a bike shop. Seems like a pretty big margin but maybe I'm not in the know. Either way this Jeffsy looks like an absolutely blast to ride.
  • + 5
 @Billjohn6: It's not magic, it's direct sales. YT sells a bike to you. After tax, all of your money goes to YT. Other companies sell a bike to a national distributor. That national distributor sells the bike to a shop. That shop sells a bike to you. So the other company gets what is left of your money after tax, the shop's cut and the national distributor's cut.

I wouldn't be surprised if YT make more money after parts and manufacturing costs than the other companies do on the bike that costs $3k more...
  • + 7
 @wingguy: I can tell you for an absolute fact that YT does not bring in more money per bike. The margins are insanely tight and there is very little markup. YT makes its money through volume, not individual sales.

Having worked at multiple shops over the years, I can also say that not all shops buy from a distributor. A Specialized shop purchases from Specialized and yes, there is a 30-40% markup on a bike. This markup is not up to the shop though, it is dictated by manufactures. A shop only sells to a town or even neighborhood, not an entire country (or 2 or 3) and therefore needs to make more per bike in order to keep the lights on.

There are a ton of factors that come into play when determining price, distribution and profit.
  • + 4
 A full 3000USD lower than competitors for the top model seems pretty decent. 1200 spline, full x01, factory shock/fork, next sl cranks, thats quite good stuff right there.
  • + 4
 Apparently Gwin came with some 29" Stumpjumper molds
  • + 2
 @dannygoesmtb: classifieds, buy(live) within ur means. Bikes drop @50% value 1yr
  • + 2
 @Jack-McLovin: Off course. But still, some brands are way pricier than others, or give you a much lower spec by using the "boutique" argument. I just used santa cruz as an example of this. Giant for example, still sold on shop floors, give you a lot more bike for the money paid. My current bike was bought locally and probably my next one too.
  • - 1
 mountain biking is cheaper now than it has ever been! Go back to the early 2000's and buy a Dh bike and then tell me how expensive it is to ride now
  • + 1
 @Bearl: actually the first half of 2000 down hill bikes were tanks built to be as strong as possible. With a bomber fork up front, Double Tracks and Hayes or Hope brakes, they were pretty reliable. Also the costs weren't too different (freeride bikes started around €2000, downhill around €3000, al though I haven't calculated inflation).


The main difference is that they were super heavy tanks and didn't perform as well as current bikes. It was the time when the main focus was on strength though and everything was overbuilt.
  • + 1
 I was thinking the same thing....
  • + 1
 @jts-nemo: a lot cheaper
  • + 2
 Prices are sounds, exchange rate is balls! In the UK the Capra AL 1 has gone up around £300 in 5ish months
  • + 2
 @bhowl: Yeah, I work in a bike shop and I know what the margins are. I also know that all bike manufacturers make their money through volume, so why do you think a behemoth like Spesh, Trek, Giant or Scott makes more per bike than YT, given that they each sell a metric f*ckton more bikes than YT?

Say you buy a £5k 'dale (or whatever) at full retail - 35 to 40% of that goes to taxes and the shop, so now you're at £3k. Another 30% of that goes to the national distributor, so now you're at £2k. YT are fantastic value, but they're not selling £5k bikes at £2k. And OK, they'll need more directly employed customer service reps and warehousing staff than a normal bike manufacturer, but those guys still need a few of those staff too.
  • + 1
 @Billjohn6: I thought YT was a buy direct internet seller? If they are then that explains most of the price difference. Maybe they also use low end crappy carbon product, too?

What you are paying for from the other companies is mostly the independent distributor model.
  • + 1
 Gwin Factor :v
  • + 2
 @Yudistira: 100% true
  • + 1
 @eastcoast97: Love my Troy, not carbon, but completely in love
  • + 1
 @rrsport: but who pays full retail for a specialized? I don't know many who do
  • + 1
 @Billjohn6: direct sales the sell only from there website so the are the only ones that need profit
with other companies the distibutor and bike shop need profit so that ads up
  • + 82
 I recommend that everyone visits the YT website and enjoy the release video they have uploaded, first time I see Zink shredding a trail bike.

youtu.be/edj6lVXK7-c
  • + 12
 Super sweet vid. Thanks for the link...
  • + 4
 Damn, I was expecting a back-flip.
  • + 3
 Thanks for the recommendation... So awesome seeing those guys go fast on a 29er!
  • + 2
 That's a seriously sick video! Smile
  • + 7
 I was expecting to see Andreu riding a 29er
  • + 4
 Damn Zink's segment is awesome.

And that's the dude from the ILOVEJEFFSY video right? With lotsa hair!
  • + 20
 Kudo to the director of this video. The music, the concept, the riding, everything is spot on. I now desire a 29er bike.
  • + 5
 Of course he chucks a three...that dawg! Looks like I gotta up my trail bike game
  • + 9
 secretly they say this is a trail bike, but seeing the way Cam threw the bike around.. this is their innovated 140mm, 29er slope style bike.
  • + 2
 awesome, thanks!
  • + 9
 29ers are lack of fun....they said... They were terribly wrong..
  • + 2
 Looks pretty playful. Good pump and jump bike. My kind of bike.
  • + 9
 THIS VID IS MUST WATCH STATUS
  • + 2
 Sick video! Loved to see multiple riding styles all on one very capable trail bike. Thanks for sharing!
  • + 2
 @Pichy: he wouldn't reach the seat!
  • + 4
 "29ers are not as playful as 26ers"

Said a dude who can't hold the front wheel up and fingers of the brakes for more than 2 seconds.
  • + 2
 Nukeproof missed the chance for not having Sam ripping the Mega 29 during its launch...
  • + 2
 @AlexS1: big time, it's slacker and faster
  • + 59
 Hopefully this means these Jeffsy adverts will disappear now
  • + 8
 Agreed. Dumbest ad campaign in a long time. Wannabe click bait crap.
  • + 5
 Yea seems ike a cool bike, but dumbest ads ever.
  • + 27
 @Powderface: calm your tits
  • + 52
 If that link design doesn't look like Specialized's than I don't know what does.
  • + 3
 or a saracen ariel
  • + 10
 Thought the same thing when I saw the picture.. Slap a specialized sticker on it and no one would know the difference.
  • + 6
 apart from the Horst link a Cotic Rocket maybe?
  • - 1
 @freductions: I don't think it's similar to an Ariel at all
  • + 13
 yeah it's basically a Stumpjumper. Maybe they went back to their old practise of buying Specialized bikes, measuring them out and built their bikes accordingly, like they did with the first Tues etc.
  • + 12
 @Gweggy: so basically you have a specialized for half the price
  • + 5
 @Gweggy: More close to an Enduro I'd say. It's almost identical, in fact. Bit cheeky of YT in a way.
Personally I don't think they'd sell that many bikes if they went through bike shops and were more expensive.
  • + 13
 @giustino: Well I'm not a big fan of Specialized, but they build themselves a wind tunnel etc. and have tons of engineers, that's got to cost more than some dude with a measuring tape and a license for a CAD software ^^
  • + 4
 @Jack-McLovin: well we did see it coming , they leaked over drawn pictures of a specialized ages ago
  • + 4
 Looks like a child between Devinci and Specialized to me.
  • + 3
 @Gweggy, yeah, that's why they cost more, so they can pay for the wind tunnel
  • + 3
 @Robino113 It's a take on the Horst link which Spec still uses a version of, so they should look somewhat similar. There are only so many suspension designs that work well.
  • + 5
 it doesn't have metric sizing, already our of date!
  • + 2
 we should brace ourselves for a lawsuit in the headlines.
  • + 1
 @Gweggy: Hey dont make fun of the CAD license, thats a bigger deal than it sounds!
  • + 3
 @justgivemeanavailableusername: Because wind tunnels really help trail bikes a lot...
  • + 10
 Looks like a Se... wait. Actually the kinematics isn't even that close to a Stumpy (much more progressive). And actually like 80% of bikes look kinda like the same. Maybe it's because they are bikes.
  • + 2
 I just don't get it, it's not really slack for a 29er despite what they say and in a world where you are seeing more and more people switch to shorter 100-125mm travel bikes I think this could be a mistake.
  • + 27
 How many extremely rad 29er do we have to see before I can stop reading lines like "the Jeffsy begged to be pushed into territory where most 29ers would struggle."

Tallboy LT, Enduro 29, Stumpjumer, Trailfox, Following, Wreckoning, 429tr, Hightower, Riot, Prime, Phantom, SB95, Smuggler.....

There are dozens of these bikes out now, please stop equating 29" with XC.

And if I have to read a line like "a 29er than doesn't ride like one" ever again, I just might have to kill a kitten. I WANT a 29er that rides like a 29er, that's why, you know, I like 29ers.

Sorry rant over. Haha.
  • + 1
 Preach it!
  • + 4
 So true. I am still riding my aluminium SB95 that is over 3 years old and it has never ridden like a 29er. In fact it's numbers with a 140mm fork are, in many ways, very similar to this 'new school geometry'. I keep wanting to upgrade but then I go for a ride and remember that my Yeti is still a sh!tload of fun.
  • + 2
 I hear ya - I had a 2013 Giant Trance X 29er. I think that's the kind of bike people think of when they talk about 29er trail bikes. Problem is, that bike was pretty much a joke within a year of being out, not because it was a bad bike (it wasn't, I had lots of fun on it), but because then you had 29ers coming out that rolled and climbed just as well but were a hella lot more fun to ride. These things really go into two different directions - the more playful mid-travel but pretty slack ones (Process 111, Transition Smuggler, etc.) and the burly ones (Enduro 29, etc.). Choose the former for more playfulness and all around riding with remarkable confidence in the steeps; choose the latter if you need the extra squish.

At 6'1", 230#/105kg, a 29er makes more sense to me. It requires a wee bit more input to lean it over - but with the low standover and short chainstays of the modern bikes, that's not a problem for a bigger rider. And it has all the rollover goodness and stability and climbing traction. For a smaller rider, the penalty of the bigger wheel would be bigger, as would the benefit.

And that's the part I don't get - why don't 'they' market bikes in a more rider size specific manner? Not just wheel size, but also component spec? I would choose very different parts to build up a bike (erring on the side of strength over weight) than my wife (just about half my weight - so she'd benefit more from lightweight parts and doesn't put as much stress on them). And I have much more to gain and much less to lose from big wheels than smaller riders.
  • + 30
 And it can take a water bottle.
  • + 2
 yes a specifically designed water bottle that cost 50 euros. im on my fifth water botle this year I dont think my wallet would have a fun time with this bike.
  • + 8
 That's not a real water bottle though... It's just an expensive capri-sun holder.
  • + 2
 * a small water bottle
  • + 2
 See. I never have to worry about whether a bike can fit a water bottle. I am not limited by such things, because I reach down, between my legs and I grab my balls and say "I ride with a hydration pack."
  • + 9
 @TFreeman: does that ritual of yours magically produces water?
  • + 9
 @TFreeman: Your balls produce water? I'd see a doctor.
  • + 5
 Great - a new water bottle size standard, this is really just what we need...normal sized bottles are so boring.
  • + 6
 "What is this, a waterbottle for ants!!"
  • + 27
 No ISCG? Screw that. For me the main advantage of ISCG tabs is not mounting a chain guide, but a taco bashguard. One could run a rockring, but that limits crank choice.
  • + 6
 Agreed. Poor choice if simply trying to make a statement about the bike's intention. Some of us have rocks where we ride. Big ones!
  • + 4
 ISCG is really not a great mount for bash guards anyway. what we need is a new mounting standard (I know, I know) that is designed for to take impacts to protect the chainring, without sideloading bolts mounted into tabs on a frame.
  • + 7
 @groghunter: It's not perfect, but I like it better than crank mounting. I solved the bolt loading issue by making a custom 3D printed bash that fits into the contour of the tabs and bottom bracket. www.pinkbike.com/photo/13200547
  • + 1
 @Pedro404: agreed, & what you did is along the lines of what I'm talking about, but standardized so that you don't have to custom 3d print one to fit the profile of the tabs on your particular bike. I'd like to see some bracing that spreads the load across more of the bottom bracket, instead of everything transfering into the right side of the shell, if we're talking about what a new mount standard would look like.

I've also thought about a spar that tapers forward off the downtube, so that you gradually load the interface, if you're sliding up onto something, but I'm not convinced it's necessary.
  • + 24
 Why, why would you sell a all mountain bike without iscg tabs?! Yes, we all got it, it is not an enduro and you don`t need a chainguide for chain retention, but what about the noise? A chainguide helps so much against chainslap and the resulting noise.
  • + 7
 I've just got a one industries e type front mech mount guide, looks a better solution than iscg tbh, at least if you're not running a bottom guide
  • + 3
 It's a trail bike, not an all mountain.
  • + 5
 I was kind of thinking the sane thing. The is going tabs see like such a small detail that they could have just left them on there in case anyone wanted to use them. The benefits to removing them seem so minimal other than to make some kind of point.
  • + 10
 yeah, that's pretty much a deal-killer for me. Not so much for noise, but no bashguard makes a bike pretty much unridable in my area, and frame-mounted skid plates are the best way to do that these days, with everyone running direct-mount single rings.

I agree with sino - what's the downside to including iscg mounts? None that I can think of. I could give a shit about the half waterbottle mount, but no guide mounts on a bike released in 2016 is just stupid.
  • + 6
 With RaceFace NW & SRAM XX1 I used to lose my chain a few times a year, usually during a race. On my 130/150mm 29er. Then there's the way my taco looks, and what that would translate to in terms of chain ring damage. All solved nice and clean with ISCG mounts (which my bike has). The line between trail & all-mountain is pretty vague, some of us like the long adventure days along with getting rowdy.

Maybe the e-mount thing works great, don't know. I just know I would be running a guide/taco on this bike.
  • + 2
 @Blablablup123 Clutch derailleur, chainstay protector and a, upper chain guide. Problem solved.
  • + 4
 @Rubberelli: Whatever that means any more.

And in spite of being a trail bike they put out a video (youtu.be/edj6lVXK7-c) showing guys like Gwin and Regnier tearing it up. Hmm.... What message does that leave?

I and plenty of others like riding mid travel bikes (4 to 6 inches) in the chunky 5h1t. An ISCG option would've been nice.
  • + 2
 it was oneup who do the guide, seems good, weighs less a fart, cost about £25... int.oneupcomponents.com/collections/all-products/products/chainguide-s3
  • + 4
 @sjc88: I don't have a chain retention issue using a N/W and a clutch but like you I like to run a taco bash guard. I can just never feel confident going up and over obstacles with my chain and ring just fully exposed. A bash ring is an option but I just much prefer the look functionality of the taco.
  • + 4
 Yeah, kinda stinks you have to choose between a guide (using the FD mount) or a crank-mounted bashguard. I'd want an MRP SXg, which offers guidance and protection, on a bike like this.

BTW, LOL at all the people saying "it's a trail bike, not an all-mountain bike." FFS, brainwashed much?
  • + 2
 Came here for this. When even my fuel ex has tabs on it and internal routing for a dropper...YT should realize that not putting tabs on their 140mm bike isn't gonna make more people buy the capra.
  • + 4
 @BDKR: YT's message by having these ultimate rippers on this bike is that you don't need a chain guide with this bike because the travel isn't enough to cause problems. Were you also pissed when drivetrain makers stopped using those plastic protectors on the hubs to stop the chain from going into the spokes?
  • + 3
 @Rubberelli:

I'm pretty sure the reason for putting those guys on there was something else. LOL

That said, I'm not pissed at all. :-) I don't have to ride it. ;-)

And I wasn't trying to attack you either, BTW. I just think the Trail, All Mountain, Enduro designations have become so blurry as to be nearly useless.
  • + 1
 @BDKR: You're right, they put them in there to sell their bikes! Haha. The implication being that if Gwin can go that fast on that gnarly of terrain, this bike is all you need. The new reality, at least from YTs perspective, is you buy this if you only occasionally hit the park or DH. It can handle it. You buy a Capra if you mostly ride dh and parks. And a Tues is for racing or for really gnarly stuff. In fact at Fontana, YTs other WC rider raced a Capra not a Tues.
  • + 1
 @pbuser2299: I just bought a Jeffsy and the same guide you mentioned and it won't fit - they advise I need a custom mounting plate, which they don't even have available yet
  • + 14
 Looks like YT pricing is starting to creep up since they first came onto the scene. Its like they were just lowballing everyone until they got traction in the market and have now started to slowly increase their margins. I think I'll just stick to buying from my LBS where I get looked after as a repeat customer and get great pricing on new bikes.
  • + 2
 They got Gwins salary to pay Smile
  • - 3
 @mikeep Smile ?...
  • + 15
 People keep saying this, but until 2016 I don't remember a carbon bike with carbon wheels in the YT line up. A bit of quick pricing up puts the top Jeffsy at less than half an Evil or Santa Cruz with the same spec (£3700 vs £8k+). The bottom Al model is £1800, which is in line with the old YT's of five years ago and similar level spec. As far as I can tell prices are only going up when the spec also goes up, as opposed to creeping up by themselves.
  • - 5
flag Jack-McLovin (Apr 7, 2016 at 6:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Fix-the-Spade:
Yes, but they cut out the middle man, being the bike shop. This 'jeffsy' bike is just a Specialized Enduro. Compare them next to one another, they're nearly identical.
If I worked for Specialized and played a part in developing the Enduro, I'd feel pretty pissed off at this.
  • + 10
 @Jack-McLovin: Except the different travel, different geometry and so on. As for Specialized, they started out by selling far eastern knock offs that undercut US made early MTBs. If their fate is to be under cut by direct sales brands with similar machines I've no doubt the irony won't be lost on Mike Sinyard.
  • - 6
flag Jack-McLovin (Apr 7, 2016 at 7:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Fix-the-Spade:
The geometry is barely different. It's almost identical, along with the shock being in line with the top half of the rear triangle.
It's no surprise really that YT got 'inspiration' from the enduro. From what I've heard it's probably the best enduro machine out there.
But it doesn't matter for YT. They don't need to spend 3 years developing a new and original frame. They can just copy someones else's and rely on it selling because they have Gwin, and because they're cheap.

I don't think they'd sell many bikes if it weren't a direct sales brand...
  • + 1
 @Jack-McLovin: so what's it to you then?
  • + 1
 @Jack-McLovin: what's bugging you about it ?
  • + 1
 My LBS got me a 2017 Scout 3 for around the same price as the AL 2/3 for this bike. No reason for me to risk it on a bike I haven't ridden
  • + 13
 I think its odd that this gets a downgrade to the 'trail' when 140mm 29ers (with slack HA) are EWS levels of travel.
Makes this the 29er equivalent to a Capra in my mind. Interested to see how the sales numbers will compare.
  • + 16
 Its not a downgrade... YT just aren't playing on the Enduro tag.
  • + 5
 @T1mb0: I didn't mean downgrade as an insult or that it is worse in any way, merely that on the spectrum of DH to XCrace, it has slid 'down' to a less technical rating.
Not checked the YT website, this is what the article and a number of the comments have called it.
  • + 12
 Uhhhh This only has a Pike... not a Lyric, how could it possibly be Enduro brah?
  • + 6
 Yeah i was expecting 120mm, seems like it would complement Capra better. Also, If they're going to Boost it and have clearance for only normal 29 tires, it's a little dissapointing they couldn't get the chainstays to 430.
  • + 3
 Because of the typical YT progressive leverage ratio it will probably only use 120mm...unless you are landing crazy hard...so probably more comparable to the Following/Whyte bikes but with that safety gap still there....
  • + 3
 @T1mb0: So does Trail bike == All Mountain?

And there does seem to be a distinction in some minds between All Mountain and Enduro by bike makers and journo's alike.

Phuckin hell! It's out of hand really.
  • + 4
 I don't look at the marketing tags when I choose a bike @BDKR. I look at geometry, sizing, suspension design and what I want to ride it on.
  • + 2
 @Travel66: Good point
  • + 13
 Hey guys, remember that time a few years back when we all grabbed our pitchforks and went after Specialized because they had the audacity to think that their Stumpy 29er was a well designed trail bike and they didn't feel the need for 650B. But we, the masses, told them in no uncertain terms 'BullSh!t!!' Good times, good times.....

If we take the hate for Specialized and the debate about direct sales out of this and strictly look bike to bike - this is undeniably close in design to the Stumpjumper. Thank god YT is here to inform us that a well designed 29er trail bike can be fun and fast.

Bandwagon is this way ----> All Aboard!
  • + 1
 A 28 lb 29er with 140mm travel is gonna be the ticket for a lot of riders on alot of trails. However, given my Capra also weighs 28lb with a monarch plus debonair, and160mm travel, I'll gladly stick with my "bar brawler."
  • + 10
 Imho, this is something I've been looking for, for quite a while, enduro races, trail riding, marathon type races, mellow DH trails, this can do almost anything, big props to YT, and the basic version looks like fantastic value for money.
  • + 12
 YT has gone 29er and boost. The end is near.
  • + 1
 Fail to plan, plan to fail.
  • + 10
 Who names these bikes? I would love to see the list of names they didn't choose if "jeffsy" is the best they could come up with
  • + 5
 Think the name is to make you think of it as a companion/friend/pal, not just a thing, pretty clever I think.
  • + 6
 @mikecawsey:
Right. Like a Japanese robot pal.
  • + 4
 Agreed. German version of japanese sensationalist super-mega neohyper naming conventions.
  • + 4
 message to YT marketing dept: wtf is with the name? please use something that is meaningful in English and be sure the name conveys something meaningful in MTB terms. this bike name sounds like a 4 year old's teddy bear. question - does your target market consist of 4 year olds? no? OK. just not cool. no bro credits, and way too enduro ghey
  • + 3
 Some ridiculous but better alternative names for this bike:
Turd burglar
Baconator
Rollerblade
Big Mike
Skinny Pete
Elevator
Smelevator
Who else got some?
  • + 1
 3rd para from the top. It's all there.
  • + 1
 Yep I read it but someone had to decide that name regardless of the reason for it
  • + 10
 Why did they spec such old types of shocks though, glad I can't remember the last time I had to ride an imperial shock.
  • + 1
 AHAHA! That's a good one!
  • + 8
 The way YT developed and grew is astonishing. From a budget bike company with their wonky first steps in the DH business to a serious bike brand running one of the strongest Teams from freeride to racing.
  • + 6
 "Overall there are few shortfalls in the geometry" How about them chainstays at 17.3 inches! After riding a bike with the same length chainstays for some time, that is too long for a fun ride on a 29er. If you like to get after it, 17 is the threshold for "good times". Longer and it just gets hard to manual and the steering slows way down. I bet they kept them long to fit a front derailleur but I don't think that was a good compromise, especially since they went BOOST which allows for a shorter rear end in general. I bet this bike hauls in a straight line though. And I also bet they will sell the shit out of these things here in the US. Its a little more aggressive than a Stumpy, or Remedy 29, but I don't think this bike is anything special. They will sell on price alone.
  • + 6
 I used to think that and had to rent a Stump Evo 29 in Moab after my Covert went tumbling down the freeway. I can honestly say for the terrain that bike was ridiculously fun, more so than the Reign I rented the previous day, and the chain stays on he Stumpy are like 450.
  • + 2
 Yep! Canfield Riot is still #1 on my list for my next bike. And they don't have boost.
  • - 1
 Overall it looks great, but there are a few things here and there that ruin it for me:
440mm chainstays on a size L when you know they can make them 435 Frown , the stem is 60mm and even worse it is 35mm wide meaning I would need to swap both the stem and bar to use my own parts, and the absolute worst is the decision to go 1/2 boost, i could live with boost if the bikes came packaged with decent wheels, but the heavy 1/2 boost wheels they spec will be a pain to replace with off the shelf wheels. If I rode medium frames i would probably have ordered it by now!
  • + 3
 "Riding by the seat of your pants is a hell of a lot of fun, especially when you're in control, but there's far more to Jeffsy - it also offers both the means to explore and the ability to put the miles down like a good trail bike should. In short, if you like to disappear into the wilds with a view to smash and dominate what you find there, while simultaneously getting out and coming home unscathed, Jeffsy could be the bike for you."

Yeah, the bike sounds just terrible.
  • + 9
 YT JEFFSY suspension analysis Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OrxmEQK4g
  • + 3
 Very cool. Any chance of a Vitus Escarpe 275 vs say a Canyon Spectral?
  • + 4
 @zzRider: Thanks. Spectral is coming soon. Added Escarpe to the already extensive request list Big Grin Bye
  • + 2
 @andrextr: I can well imagine you get a tonne of requests, watched loads of your videos this evening. Cheerio. Big Grin
  • + 3
 @zzRider: Thank you man Smile Bye
  • + 8
 Just going to get my popcorn and watch the 29er hate train swing on by.....
  • + 5
 29ers are shiz
  • + 7
 Hm don't think so. Even the most reluctant people start to understand what a good 29er can do. And criticizing something just because you don't like it is something I've never seen on PB before.
  • + 2
 @Uuno: No, never.
  • + 1
 having ridden all wheel sizes I honestly feel that there isnt much need for 650, I feel that there should be 29 and 26 except for 650 fatties those have a place
  • + 4
 Probably neg. prop potential here, but this is kinda funny for me. In late 2013 I purchased my only bike used for $2700 Usd when this bike was not so cool...13 Carbon Stumpy Evo Expert. FULL XX1 Sram guide Rs, 140 Pike, 135 Kashima CTD, Rise 60 carbon wheel set, JC carbon bars, 50mm stem reverb stelth, size XL. Awesome bike, and at 6'3" It jumps fine for me. I have that feeling where you've been wearing that same article of clothing for so long that it came back in style,
  • + 8
 I dont hate, Jeffsy, but I dont like Jeffsy.
  • + 5
 Here's one for you guys... I could have bought my Nomad frame, then a Capra Pro Race, swapped all the components and thrown away the Capra frame, for less than a fully loaded Nomad.
  • + 6
 North American buyers are getting screwed on the exchange rate. Take the top model. 4499 EUR = 5108 USD/6712 CAD. Yet the bike is being sold for 5999 USD/7999 CAD.
  • + 2
 I hear you, but this is not a surprise. This is normal.
  • + 1
 If someone wanted this bike, you could spend this exchange rate discrepancy on a plane ticket to Europe and buy it there.
  • + 7
 So the same as us Europeans get screwed on American brands like SC, Evil or Devinci.
  • + 6
 I won't be buying a new bike until this metric shock length thing sorts itself out.
  • + 3
 I don't like the specific bike but I like the trend of slacker 29ers and hopefully we will see more of them in the near future. Also having a E29 with 160-155 travel that I almost never fully use I think that 140 option is the most versatile.
  • + 7
 Yeah but dude, do you 'Love' Jeffsy or do you 'Hate' Jeffsy?
  • + 15
 I love Ramp.
  • + 5
 @bigtim: Do you really love the ramp or are you just saying it because you saw it?
  • + 2
 @bigtim: I lol'd
  • + 7
 It's a sad day for everyone who was stoked for a slope bike :-(
  • + 5
 Disappointed. Would've picked it up if it was a 140 27.5 and then a Capra to go with it.
  • + 5
 When they only have two bikes, why would they make a shorter travel Capra? Product overlap is detrimental for a new company when they have to focus on expanding line range.
  • + 5
 I'm disappointed the geo isnt that aggressive on it for a 29er, but glad it is a 29er, if you want a ~140mm 27.5 bike, Canyon already have one of the most impressive bikes/deals around with their Spectral! I dont think YT could have beat it in terms of geometry or spec, they probably would have made an identical bike on paper.
  • + 6
 Looking like a nukeproof that is
  • + 2
 I'm kinda bummed that they specifically state this is not 27.5+ compatible. A lot of boosted 29ers can convert so I wonder what the reason is here? Guessing width/clearance at the seat stays but it's not made clear why not yet. Bummer. I think my new bike money is going elsewhere.
  • + 2
 Few days ago DHL has sent me a message that my brand new and very similar bike is on the way and just now, for several minutes, I was really considering the idea of returnig that bike box back when arrives. However, beeing bikeless for the whole summer is a terrible idea.
Sorry YT... maybe next time. Wink
  • + 2
 RIOT ?
  • + 3
 @zemaniac: Escarpe 29 Pro
  • + 2
 Almost thought I found my next bike but for these three things: 1 - half hearted water bottle action, 2 - 24mm wide carbon rims (I'm looking for more like 30mm), 3 - to get the top shelf component setup, I'm stuck with a Fux 34 rather than a Pike. By the time I pay to swap out those parts I could custom build a Hightower or and Enduro 29. But good on YT for making this bike, its an awesome start!
  • + 5
 You can't fault them for not building your ideal spec. That's like saying a BMW M3 is not that great because it doesn't come with the wheel brand I like, or a CF hood I am looking for. So, upgrade then. There's a massive industry that supports it.
  • + 5
 @CaptainSnappy: I hear you but the trend right now, and what people in general seem to be wanting/buying more of, are bikes with rims wider than 24mm, Pikes over 34's, and on a "trail" bike, people generally would like to be able to fit a legitimate bottle inside the triangle. I realize this is "my" ideal spec, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a significant portion of people looking at 5 inch 29ers feel the same. But maybe I'm wrong. Be it a Hightower, Stumpjumer, Enduro, Evil The Following, and the list goes on... all these bikes are specd as I describe. Maybe all those product managers don't really know what the masses are looking for. IDK
  • + 3
 Too short, innit. I have the 440mm medium 480mm large split a lot of European manufacturers seem to have. Too small at one end and too tall at the other - makes it harder to size up.
  • + 1
 *hate.
  • + 4
 Compare this to the Whyte T129 - which is a less hardcore bike - and it's geometry seems really conservative. You'd have to put a 60mm stem on this to give you enough reach.
  • + 2
 ^This. Tall people will buy XL 29ers. Aforementioned tall people will want more than 465mm reach. And >150mm dropper posts mean 520mm seat tubes are rapidly being left behind. I'll stick with my XL Smuggler for now thanks YT.
Nice try though.
  • + 5
 Remember PB bike of the year? It was a 29er w 140mm of travel....hmmm
  • + 6
 #f*ckJeffsy
  • + 4
 Does it have metric shock sizing? Because if not thats a deal breaker for me.
  • + 1
 Some things that seem really strange on the top end spec. - 24mm CARBON rims instead of 30mm - Great cranks but 175mm which seems really stupid with a low BB That said the price for this spec is really good and I'm disappointed that they didn't announce it 3 months ago. I would of held of on buying the Following.
  • + 1
 Let's see here: several models with front derailleurs, prices that are cheaper but still getting closer to LBS models, a frame that isn't too different than a Stumpy or Evil, then to top it off they are sold out until summer? YT needs to remember that the only reason people wait 3-9 months to buy their bikes is because they are ALOT cheaper. I'm sure we'll eventually see these on the trails but I'd rather buy local for a small percentage more. Then again my local bike shop is highly competitive on prices.
  • + 2
 YT havent put their prices up !! Their basic models are still ridiculously cheap it's just that now they have some better spec'd models than previous years with FOX and carbon frames
  • + 1
 I bought one and raced Trans BC on it. It got me round and was a great all round bike for climbing long days whilst holding it together on the decents. My only complaint is the paint job being very easy to scratch and mark, and the bottle cage I had to buy separately is usless. One bunny hope and your bottle is off. Im convinced they have messed up the compound when designing it as its supposed to be a carbon cage but it feels like soft plastic! Im currently trying to send it back. ( good luck with that ! )
  • + 4
 Amazing review on Pinkbike for a bike and massive advert of said bike on home page shocker...............rolls eyes>
  • + 0
 conspiracy (tinfoil hat on)
  • + 0
 How dare PB have MTB adverts on the world's most popular MTB site!
  • + 1
 You know it. I find it ridiculous considering running a web site is free.
  • + 1
 you know that "E" type mount?
It's not actually E type spec. you'll have to wait a few months for them to produce some custom mount to fit that mount so you can put your chainguide on, pain in me hole. Oh, and you'll have to wait for their custom expensive bottle cage too.
  • + 1
 I'm sure I'm late to the game here. BUT YES! Finally acceptable Reach numbers from YT. Now they just gotta remake the Capra Molds! Smile

ALSO unlike the Capra and Tues that have their own style. The Jeffsy is pretty much just an Enduro 29 duplicate with less travel. They even charge about the same. Though I'd assume spec to spec you'd be getting more "name brand" parts on the YT. But might not actually be getting "better" parts...?
  • + 4
 'the new 27.5 plus standard' thanks for making it official pinkbike.
  • + 0
 Told you . Canada has a importer for yt and he's a greedy mofo. Canada will never see good pricing on yt Local shop will def have better pricing on different brands Yt got ya hooked with low prices and a good bike Now everyone knows the bikes are good so they can raise the prices . There playing the marketing game beautifully
  • + 4
 Yeah but its only got 11 gears?
  • + 1
 Well this almost describes the superb Specialized Enduro 29. The guys at YT must have ridden one of Dirts Enduro's and realised that well designed 29ers rip like nothing else.
  • + 0
 This 'jeffsy' bike is just a Specialized Enduro. Compare them next to one another, they're nearly identical. I'm not hating on them, but I get the feeling they don't have such a major passion for producing sick bikes, unlike various other companies. YT can just rely on sales coming from having Aaron on their team, but mostly from the fact they're the cheapest out there. To me it looks like they've gotten an Enduro, and then just changed it a little to make it their own.
  • + 3
 Just when I was getting used to the idea of keeping my 2012 Stumpjumper forever. I do not thank you, YT.
  • + 1
 This one looks exactly like a Stympjumper, I think you are OK how you are Smile
  • + 2
 @FrEeZa: Yeah, except the geo is way more updated and dh oriented on this bike, not the stumpjumper.
  • + 2
 Put a YT Sticker on It - No one will notice!
  • + 1
 @dancingwhale: With the new geo, it is simply an updated Stumpjumper. You can put a Spec sticker on it and no one will suspect otherwise.
  • + 2
 @FrEeZa: criminal damage proceedings would ensue.
  • + 1
 @Earthmotherfu: True, true. I could not care less though, I have my perfect bike finally finished. Just made myself a carbon fiber chain guide for chicken scratch and I cannot be happier. YT could have done a better job with the design, then again, so could Mongoose, Transition, Felt, BMC, ect. I guess the price is all right.
  • + 3
 They kept the same boring color schemes from 2015 to 2016... then applied them to this new model. Lol.....no.
  • + 1
 "nothing shy of a stroke of brilliance". - Olly Forster
call me a cynic but who believes that ? oh yeah ,free flight ,accommodation, beer and a goodie bag, might sway my opinion somewhat !
  • + 2
 If I was writing the review I'd say that riding it rivals the pleasure of a stroke of penis after two weeks of backpacking with family. Doesn't sound true to an average internet warrior either, isn't it?
  • + 0
 Very nice. I just can't afford the high end models. I've gotten so much used to riding 1x setup (hardtail) I would like to have seen the low-end model with a 1x11 (or even 1x10!) instead of a 2x10. Now I'd have to make my own abortion I guess..
  • + 4
 Just buy a RF NW chainring and a OneUp kit. Sets you back about USD 100-150, but works perfectly fine.
  • + 3
 The shock sizing isn't metric, hence it's immediately obsolete.
  • - 1
 Nice Bike! However, its a Specialised Stumpjumpe!! The red and Black version is almost a direct copy of a 2011 Stumpy. Now the patent has expired you can copy the Specialised suspension design without penalty. YT - Y Think - now we know Why they hired Gwinn. Marketing Genius!
  • + 1
 Devinci is about to release their 29er trail bike, watch out jeffsy... I like the jeffsy btw, I would buy now, but waiting for the devinci
  • + 2
 I KNEW IT I FU%$#NG KNEW IT it is going to be 29er and im gonna buy it !!
  • + 2
 if this bike had come out last year I would be on one! if I should hit the lottery sometime soon it's on like donkey kong
  • + 3
 Move that shock mount to the top tube and it could be a Stumpjumper
  • + 1
 Very impressed with YT's lineup of bikes as well as the super competitive price points. I think I'll be saving my pennies to invest in one in the future.
  • + 2
 All that marketing for a 29er.. ????.. But in saying that id give it a test ride even though it's not my cup of tea..
  • + 2
 As it is advertised as a trail bike i wonder why there is nothing written about how it climbs.
  • + 1
 So when's the review for Following vs Jeffsy vs the other trail 29ers? I feel like the following, even with less travel out back is more modernized geo
  • + 0
 The following could use 20mm more in the back. I've bottomed mine out a few times hucking to flat.
  • + 4
 Looks enduro to me
  • + 3
 Where is the internet discount ???
  • + 1
 Have you looked at Canadian pricing of late? If you want a Hightower for example the frame alone is $4200 CDN... Too many manufacturers went too far hedging the falling Canadian dollar. Now its recovering slightly its good to see some companies reflecting the correction. Thumbs up YT
  • + 2
 nice review.
but honestly i hoped to read a bit more about "normal" trail riding...
  • + 3
 I love 29ers... This and the Evil following make me stoked!
  • + 3
 Brace youself, already read way too much 29er-hate comments on MTB-news...
Maybe some people just can´t figure out how to ride them...or any bike in general.
Now all that is left are 29er DH bikes!
29ers FTW!
  • + 2
 @zojdson: Too true dude!
  • + 1
 mmmm, the Following
  • + 2
 @blast-off: 29 ftw!
  • + 1
 Eh... was expecting a 27.5, but hey maybe 29er is gonna be the new "norm" like 27.5 has. 29er Tues + Capra INCOMING!
  • + 3
 FINALLY THE XL.
  • + 3
 Yep, BUT, the reach is not THAT long.
  • + 4
 @MTB-Colada: same as the specy enduro xl 29: 465 mm
  • + 2
 @giustino: @giustino: Ya - it's a shame really - if I'd known this was coming out, I would have waited for it instead of buying my new bike last summer as it's perfect for what I want...and the spec is great for the price. You just know this is going to be a great ride Smile
  • + 2
 So why would you buy this over a hightower with lifetime frame warranty?
  • + 5
 For the same reason that you prefer Santa Cruz to YT.... Branding. Only, Santa Cruz is priced higher with comparable component(wizard)ry.
  • + 4
 Well, for the equivalent spec you could have two of these. Or one of these and a Tues, or one of these and a fantastic holiday to the Alps to come and ride bikes with us Europeans.
  • + 2
 @Macropod: The starter CF YT is $4399 while the starter Hightower is $4599. I'm willing to bet that a shop would easily match the price to get the sale. Santa Cruz warranties are awesome too.
  • + 3
 @dualsuspensiondave:
The Canadian pricing puts the YT completes FAR ahead of a Hightower. Santa Cruz Hightower pricing in Canada is so bad their website says "See Dealer for Pricing". Because here they start at ~$8k. The YT Comp 2 is $5,799 CDN. Who's going to discount a high demand bike more than $2k?
  • - 6
flag bohns1 (Apr 7, 2016 at 7:29) (Below Threshold)
 Because I'd rather have the Trek fuel ex 9.9 than either..
  • + 2
 @ns2000x: Well the American made the comment, so that's who my comment was directed towards. I love Canada and especially B.C., but the Canadian dollar sucks right now. Haha.
  • + 1
 you can buy a spare frame with the money you save with the YT (so thats your lifetime warranty if you will) and you get a "dh mode" switch instead of a "27.5+" switch.

Im saying that and getting a hightower (its on its way already). I think the YT is def. very very tempting.
  • + 1
 I'm short and I need size S thank you. Wink
  • + 0
 Would really like to see a head to head comparison between this bike and the Santa Cruz Hightower! Both seem like do-it-all 29ers with great geo numbers.
  • + 1
 A new consumer base? Didn't they already have the Wicked for that same consumer base back in the day?
  • + 0
 Sweet bike at sweet price. YT is in top 3 of my favorite bike brand! If I didn't go for Antidote, I'd buy this bike right away.
  • + 1
 Totally, wish they did a frame only option.
  • + 2
 that's not a slope style bike...
  • + 1
 How does one get this bike I the states?
When is it available?
Frame only option?
  • + 1
 And here's me thinking it would be an aggro hardtail. Never mind, great looking bike but i'll be keeping my Capra.
  • + 2
 Do they have 0% financing over 24 months with Bi Weekly payments.
  • + 2
 Okay, but why does she hate Jeffsy...?
  • + 2
 I'd rather have a petite please...
  • + 2
 If it was 26" it would of been perfect for me.
  • + 1
 I'm really interested in YT. The build and pricing is great. But why are they so heavy?
  • + 2
 Man YT really delivers. Bring it on!
  • + 30
 Eventually they deliver
  • + 2
 They sort of where right, i hate jeffsy
  • + 2
 Jimmy doesn't like the jeffsy.
  • + 1
 Introduced yesterday and already obsolete, since it doesn't support metric system Deluxe shocks. Shit, that was quick!
  • + 1
 the one with red and black paint is killing
  • + 1
 Next bike will be called Fatbastardgetinmybelly
  • + 1
 Give me a Following anyday...where is a review of the Following?
  • + 4
 well they did a "first look". Plenty of other sites have very deep reviews too.
  • + 2
 @blast-off: i know, but I am surprised that pinkbike hasnt done a review
  • + 1
 Pbbly in the pipe.
  • + 2
 two words. KONA. SATORI.
  • + 1
 Is there an option to purchase just the frame???
  • + 1
 Nope.
  • + 1
 Disconcerting sloping horizon on the shot of the red bike...
  • + 0
 YT = good cheap nice looking bikes + god fearing Gwin = not cheap 5 years time buy buy YT and leaves you thinking Y
  • + 1
 I shall call it Mini Capra!
  • + 1
 Can't believe that's the name of the bike.
  • + 1
 Looks sorted, Is the white and black jeffsy in the pics an XL?
  • + 2
 No Delux shock?!?
  • + 1
 Does anyone else have issues with their website?
  • + 1
 A Niner WFO / Jeffsy comparison would nice about now.
  • + 2
 Throw in the Following and or Wreckoning.
  • + 1
 Is this the first 140mm rear travel 29er? Or are there others?
  • + 2
 Lol
  • + 4
 Canfield Riot, better geometry with 414mm chain stays. It is aluminum only though...for now.
  • + 4
 I've got an Intense Carbine 29... 160 fork and 140 shock... Few others out there also... Wink
  • + 2
 @SGTMASON: Trek Remedy 29r is a full 140mm if my memory serves me correctly.
  • + 1
 You'd think the way PB keeps making it sound like Specialized and Evil were the first.
  • + 1
 ... AND it fits a 10oz water bottle?!
  • + 0
 The all black Pro model is hot sex and extremely economical! I'd get one if I didn't already have my current rig.
  • + 0
 So YT came up with a Stumpjumper without the weird X tube on top of the shock. Interesting.
  • - 1
 are there any bottle mounts?....I can't see any. I use both for water and lights especially on long rides and it could be a deal breaker as I really like the comp.
  • + 0
 Okay so what's the bottle/cage combo
  • + 1
 it's their custom THIRSTMASTER 3000 system - and it fails miserably! lost bottle out of it 10 secs into the first ride and then another 5 times - useless - requested a refund
  • + 0
 Damn you PINKBIKE....you broke YT's website
  • + 0
 Cool to see YT go for something a little shorter travel than the Carpa
  • - 1
 I would spend $200 more and get the Hightower C. Prices for YT aren't that unbelievable anymore.
  • + 0
 The coolest bike launch campaign in a long time. I want one.
  • + 1
 29 ain't dead!
  • - 3
 Nor is it going to be
  • + 1
 The bike looks amazing
  • + 1
 The video is so rad
  • - 1
 I KNEW IT I FU%$#NG KNEW IT it is going to be 29er and im gonna buy it !!
  • - 1
 Sweet bike as always! Btw the link to the gallery links to the canyon senders ones
  • + 0
 TAKE MY MONEY!!!
  • - 2
 no internal cable routing, and cannot convert to 27.5, it is a beauty though.
  • - 1
 Is the reach measurement shown with the bike in the high or low setting ?
  • - 1
 all that hype over a 29er ..yawn
  • + 3
 Have to diversify the product line: DH, AM, Trail. It's key to YT's LT survival. Simple as that.
  • - 1
 why on earth only 29' ???
  • + 8
 because 32" is coming next year
  • + 0
 sexy as heck
  • - 3
 Annnnnnd it's a 29er
  • - 2
 Boost?? No sorry
  • - 1
 stupid name for a bike
  • - 5
flag poah (Apr 7, 2016 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
 stupid wheel size for a bike
  • - 2
 This frame comes with the Cracking Technology like the Capra?
  • - 1
 Looks like an enduro
  • - 1
 Looks like specialized.
  • - 2
 jeffsy can take its 29 inch wheels and feck off
  • + 2
 Deep.
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