YT Industries have been patiently setting the scene for the release of something special, deliberately poking the rumor mill with a unique ad campaign for the launch of their latest bike. It's a bike that for YT will not only challenge some deep rooted and outdated notions within the marketplace, but also introduce the company to a new customer base.
With a somewhat odd name assigned to this new bike whose origins are rooted far from YT's North Bavarian home, it's no surprise people have been talking. Who or what is Jeffsy? As it turns out, Jeffsy is a 140mm 29er that's all about delivering a grin-inducing good time on the trails.
Details• Intended use: trail riding
• Travel: 140mm
• 29" wheels
• 12x148mm Boost rear (standard front)
• 66.8° - 67.6° adjustable head angle
• Carbon and alloy build options
• YT's Virtual 4-Link System
• Adjustable BB drop +/- 8mm
• External and internal cable routing
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• CF Comp 1 claimed weight: 28.22 lb (12.8kg), size medium
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www.jeffsy.com The inspiration for the unique name has something to do with a legendary trail builder from the steep, wooded hillsides and valleys of South Wales. Although his actual identity remains anonymous, Jeffsy could just as well be a random name given to the authorities when inquiring about illegal trail building. When the team at YT heard about Jeffsy, they instantly drew a correlation between the idea of a selfless individual, real or not, who would work tirelessly so others could shred, and the bike they had in development. The name stuck, and soon Jeffsy was ready for its international debut.
Frame DesignThe Jeffsy's overall frame shape bears a strong resemblance to the Capra, but there are a few notable difference, particularly when it comes to the rear suspension layout. The bike still uses YT's Virtual 4-Link System (V4L), YT's take on a Horst Link design, but the link that helps drive the shock is now mounted to the seat tube, rather than to a brace between the seat and down tube. This design opened up just enough room for a specially designed water bottle, one that holds exactly a pint of liquid, a measurement we're sure many of you are familiar with. The team at YT even created a unique bottle and cage combo especially for the Jeffsy that has rubber o-rings intended to hold a CO2 cartridge and an inflator. Unfortunately, this doesn't come in the box, but you can add one during checkout, as you do know that YT is a direct sales brand, right?
Aside from the internal routing for the Reverb dropper post and the gear cable, which neatly finishes its journey through the chainstay, the Jeffsy's cable and hose routing is a mostly external affair. This will no doubt please anyone who's struggled with internal routing during services or found the noise of rattling cables inside their frames a touch too annoying. Does it detract aesthetically? Perhaps, but considering how good Jeffsy looks, the sight of hoses and cables is easily offset.
Another potential surprise comes in the shape of no ISCG tabs. YT are keen to distinguish the Jeffsy from its bar brawling sibling, the Capra, and considering the chain retaining abilities of modern drivetrains, are they even needed, especially on a 140mm trail bike? There is however, the option to use the E-Mount tabs on the frame. And while we're on the subject, YT have three Jeffsy models that come with front derailleurs and 2x systems.
Out back a 148mm Boost rear helps add that essential element of stiffness that 29ers need, but does not accept 27.5+ wheels - will this come back to bite YT in the near future? It is a possibility, but considering the relative newness of 27.5+, perhaps YT are waiting for the kinks to be ironed out, especially in the tire and rim market, before jumping in. In the bottom bracket department, a BB92 shell means you're still faced with a push-fit interface, but this smaller standard does goes some way to improve compatibility with aftermarket cranks, especially over the BB30 option.
As far as geometry goes, the Jeffsy sports a relatively slack 66.8° head angle in the lower of the two geometry settings, with a 435mm chainstay length on the small and medium sizes, and 440mm on the large and XL. The reach numbers are in line with similar bikes in this category, and although YT could likely have stretched the front center measurements even further, what they've come up with is very reasonable. Overall there are few shortfalls in the geometry and little to poke at with some excellent numbers all round, most notably in the BB height, stack height and the generous amount of standover. Big wheels can sometimes require more input and direction from above and it's nice to see this that has been incorporated into the Jeffsy's makeup.
Prices - EUR / USD / CAD / AUD:
• CF Pro: €4499, $5999, $7999, $8099
• CF Comp 1: €3599, $4599, $5999, $8099
• CF Comp 2: €3599, $4399, $5799, $6199
• AL Comp 1: €2799, $3499, $4599, $4799
• AL Comp 2: €2799, $3299, $4499, $4799
• AL: €2199, $2699, $3699, $3799
Colors:
• CF Pro: Coral / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• CF Comp 1: Snow White / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• CF Comp 2: Blue Lagoon / Raw and Raw / Jet Black
• AL Comp 1: Black Peal / Raw
• AL Comp 2: Black Pearl / Snow White
• AL: Black Pearl / Blue Lagoon
So, YT Industries now have a 29er. Did we see this coming? As a brand synonymous with the more 'dynamic' end of the sport, perhaps not, but then why can't a 29er be dynamic? The truth is they can and then some, but this concoction of big wheels and good geometry isn't new... It's certainly not old either and with a few other forward-thinking brands, namely Specialized and more recently, Evil Bikes, having previously proved the potential of such a machine, surely more will follow. Here at Pinkbike we've already suggested as much, so keep watching this space to see what else unfolds.
The ability for 29ers to achieve their full potential has taken some time, but it seems we've finally reached a point where both the technology and the ideas are coming together. We now have stiffer wheels and of course 'Boost', to offset the flex that 29" wheels can be prone to and a better understanding of geometry and how it relates to both the trail and the rider, especially with regards to building bikes with larger wheels. The transition to 27.5" wheels did more than just the obvious - it gave the engineers responsible for the bikes and gear we use the opportunity to explore how far they could push things. With that in mind, the Jeffsy joins a growing list of 29ers that mean business, combining solid geometry and dialed suspension with the raw speed and traction this wheel size is renowned for. The question we wanted to know was how fast, and more importantly, how much fun was Jeffsy going to be out on the trails?
Residing 520 km to the west of the African coast and 1,000 km from the European continent (approximately a one-and-a-half hour flight from the Portuguese capital of Lisbon), the island of Madeira would act as host and home for the two days I would spend getting acquainted with Jeffsy. The topography of Madeira has done its part to shape a thriving mountain bike scene on the island, with a trail network that packs a punch for both its size and isolated location. After setting up the suspension with a good base setting for the coming days' activities, it was to the hills and into the mountains for a one-on-one with Jeffsy.
The first trail of the day, and coincidentally the last of the second day, was called the 'red trail', delivering everything from open piste and high-speed sections up top to jumps and drops with plenty of roots and tight corners under the tree canopy further down. After a few hours, something became very clear: I'd completely forgotten I was on a 29er. This bike is crazy fast, addictively so, and if you were to stick a Monarch Plus shock in the back and a stiffer Lyrik fork up front, well, you'd have a full-blown enduro bike, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Over the course of the two days, our guides introduced us to a host of trails, many of which we regrettably only hit once and blind as time was against us, but enough of a sampling to see how Jeffsy would fare in a variety of scenarios. One trail in particular, stood out. It was a slog to get to, with some climbing, gravel roads and the usual rigmarole involved with getting to a trailhead - a good test of Jeffsy's handling on less-than-aggressive trails, which thankfully it dealt with admirably. But this one trail - once we got into it - was fast, very technical, marginally steep throughout and pushed you into a gully packed with large boulders and debris from recent heavy rain storms that had taken their toll on the island. Following our guide, I simply let off the brakes and let Jeffsy come to life as I tried to keep up. Damn, this bike loves to open up, and as you find traction in places you would reconsider going to on a smaller wheeled machine, Jeffsy just holds the line and saves your ass.
Riding by the seat of your pants is a hell of a lot of fun, especially when you're in control, but there's far more to Jeffsy - it also offers both the means to explore and the ability to put the miles down like a good trail bike should. In short, if you like to disappear into the wilds with a view to smash and dominate what you find there, while simultaneously getting out and coming home unscathed, Jeffsy could be the bike for you.
 | Having spent some time on both the Capra and indeed the Tues - two bikes that scream high octane fun, and of course, 'good times' from the outset, I'm delighted to see the addition of a proper 'trail bike' into YT's range, especially one that fits in perfectly with the rest of the flock. I've seen my fair share of Capras on trails where an EWS-hungry machine such as that isn't perhaps being used to its fullest, trails where a well priced and similarly bad ass machine with more apt geometry, and dare I say, wheels, would not only flourish, but duly conquer. With Jeffsy, YT have made a bold yet decisive move into the trail bike market and choosing 29" wheels for their latest vessel was nothing shy of a stroke of brilliance. - Olly Forster |
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MENTIONS: @YTIndustries
The Al version coming with a Pike, Monarch, SLX, DT Swiss wheels, Reverb, RaceFace etc, €2199 is an insanely low price!
Could also be down to exchange rate, eg euro/gbp conversion has gone from £0.71/€1 to £0.81.
I can't remember the percentage but it adds up
No hate on YT but the actual price on their bike make it less tempting than it was.
I'm far from being rich yet I own a very expensive ass bike. I had to make some sacrifices and I did save up for a while but I love this sport/lifestyle.
So, if you see some young adult buying a car for $15k-$20k think to yourself are they rich? Nah, they just bought it on credit and dropped a down payment.
The new tues with fox (fox is almost the same price as BOS in europe) and the other new parts was Carbon cranks, Carbon bars, and Carbon wheels.
So all the new carbon parts stands for the higher price on the 2016 tues. Think before you upvote and take someone else opion and make it youre own
Pike RC Solo air VS Lyric rct3
Monarch rt 3 VS Monarch plus RC 3
Guide R VS Guide RC
Spline 1900 VS E13 TRS+
Prologo Saddle VS SDG
OEM tires VS Aftermarket tires
I wouldn't be surprised if YT make more money after parts and manufacturing costs than the other companies do on the bike that costs $3k more...
Having worked at multiple shops over the years, I can also say that not all shops buy from a distributor. A Specialized shop purchases from Specialized and yes, there is a 30-40% markup on a bike. This markup is not up to the shop though, it is dictated by manufactures. A shop only sells to a town or even neighborhood, not an entire country (or 2 or 3) and therefore needs to make more per bike in order to keep the lights on.
There are a ton of factors that come into play when determining price, distribution and profit.
The main difference is that they were super heavy tanks and didn't perform as well as current bikes. It was the time when the main focus was on strength though and everything was overbuilt.
Say you buy a £5k 'dale (or whatever) at full retail - 35 to 40% of that goes to taxes and the shop, so now you're at £3k. Another 30% of that goes to the national distributor, so now you're at £2k. YT are fantastic value, but they're not selling £5k bikes at £2k. And OK, they'll need more directly employed customer service reps and warehousing staff than a normal bike manufacturer, but those guys still need a few of those staff too.
What you are paying for from the other companies is mostly the independent distributor model.
with other companies the distibutor and bike shop need profit so that ads up
youtu.be/edj6lVXK7-c
And that's the dude from the ILOVEJEFFSY video right? With lotsa hair!
Said a dude who can't hold the front wheel up and fingers of the brakes for more than 2 seconds.
Personally I don't think they'd sell that many bikes if they went through bike shops and were more expensive.
Tallboy LT, Enduro 29, Stumpjumer, Trailfox, Following, Wreckoning, 429tr, Hightower, Riot, Prime, Phantom, SB95, Smuggler.....
There are dozens of these bikes out now, please stop equating 29" with XC.
And if I have to read a line like "a 29er than doesn't ride like one" ever again, I just might have to kill a kitten. I WANT a 29er that rides like a 29er, that's why, you know, I like 29ers.
Sorry rant over. Haha.
At 6'1", 230#/105kg, a 29er makes more sense to me. It requires a wee bit more input to lean it over - but with the low standover and short chainstays of the modern bikes, that's not a problem for a bigger rider. And it has all the rollover goodness and stability and climbing traction. For a smaller rider, the penalty of the bigger wheel would be bigger, as would the benefit.
And that's the part I don't get - why don't 'they' market bikes in a more rider size specific manner? Not just wheel size, but also component spec? I would choose very different parts to build up a bike (erring on the side of strength over weight) than my wife (just about half my weight - so she'd benefit more from lightweight parts and doesn't put as much stress on them). And I have much more to gain and much less to lose from big wheels than smaller riders.
@tkaszuba also yes
I've also thought about a spar that tapers forward off the downtube, so that you gradually load the interface, if you're sliding up onto something, but I'm not convinced it's necessary.
I agree with sino - what's the downside to including iscg mounts? None that I can think of. I could give a shit about the half waterbottle mount, but no guide mounts on a bike released in 2016 is just stupid.
Maybe the e-mount thing works great, don't know. I just know I would be running a guide/taco on this bike.
And in spite of being a trail bike they put out a video (youtu.be/edj6lVXK7-c) showing guys like Gwin and Regnier tearing it up. Hmm.... What message does that leave?
I and plenty of others like riding mid travel bikes (4 to 6 inches) in the chunky 5h1t. An ISCG option would've been nice.
BTW, LOL at all the people saying "it's a trail bike, not an all-mountain bike." FFS, brainwashed much?
I'm pretty sure the reason for putting those guys on there was something else. LOL
That said, I'm not pissed at all. :-) I don't have to ride it. ;-)
And I wasn't trying to attack you either, BTW. I just think the Trail, All Mountain, Enduro designations have become so blurry as to be nearly useless.
Yes, but they cut out the middle man, being the bike shop. This 'jeffsy' bike is just a Specialized Enduro. Compare them next to one another, they're nearly identical.
If I worked for Specialized and played a part in developing the Enduro, I'd feel pretty pissed off at this.
The geometry is barely different. It's almost identical, along with the shock being in line with the top half of the rear triangle.
It's no surprise really that YT got 'inspiration' from the enduro. From what I've heard it's probably the best enduro machine out there.
But it doesn't matter for YT. They don't need to spend 3 years developing a new and original frame. They can just copy someones else's and rely on it selling because they have Gwin, and because they're cheap.
I don't think they'd sell many bikes if it weren't a direct sales brand...
Come again?
Makes this the 29er equivalent to a Capra in my mind. Interested to see how the sales numbers will compare.
Not checked the YT website, this is what the article and a number of the comments have called it.
And there does seem to be a distinction in some minds between All Mountain and Enduro by bike makers and journo's alike.
Phuckin hell! It's out of hand really.
If we take the hate for Specialized and the debate about direct sales out of this and strictly look bike to bike - this is undeniably close in design to the Stumpjumper. Thank god YT is here to inform us that a well designed 29er trail bike can be fun and fast.
Bandwagon is this way ----> All Aboard!
Right. Like a Japanese robot pal.
Turd burglar
Baconator
Rollerblade
Big Mike
Skinny Pete
Elevator
Smelevator
Who else got some?
440mm chainstays on a size L when you know they can make them 435
Yeah, the bike sounds just terrible.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OrxmEQK4g
Nice try though.
Sorry YT... maybe next time.
ALSO unlike the Capra and Tues that have their own style. The Jeffsy is pretty much just an Enduro 29 duplicate with less travel. They even charge about the same. Though I'd assume spec to spec you'd be getting more "name brand" parts on the YT. But might not actually be getting "better" parts...?
It's not actually E type spec. you'll have to wait a few months for them to produce some custom mount to fit that mount so you can put your chainguide on, pain in me hole. Oh, and you'll have to wait for their custom expensive bottle cage too.
call me a cynic but who believes that ? oh yeah ,free flight ,accommodation, beer and a goodie bag, might sway my opinion somewhat !
Maybe some people just can´t figure out how to ride them...or any bike in general.
Now all that is left are 29er DH bikes!
29ers FTW!
but honestly i hoped to read a bit more about "normal" trail riding...
The Canadian pricing puts the YT completes FAR ahead of a Hightower. Santa Cruz Hightower pricing in Canada is so bad their website says "See Dealer for Pricing". Because here they start at ~$8k. The YT Comp 2 is $5,799 CDN. Who's going to discount a high demand bike more than $2k?
Im saying that and getting a hightower (its on its way already). I think the YT is def. very very tempting.
When is it available?
Frame only option?
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