YT Releases New Aluminum Jeffsy Base

Jan 16, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  
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YT have released details of the mate to their carbon Jeffsy, the aluminum Jeffsy Base. The bike features an updated geometry and spec and is available in their 2020 colors "Twotone Blue and Black Magic." The Jeffsy Base comes with either 27.5" or 29" wheels to accommodate various riding styles and is available in sizes Small to XXL.

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A RockShox Deluxe Select shock manages rear suspension duties.
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SRAM's 12-speed SX Eagle drivetrain provides a wide range of gearing.

The geometry carries over from the recently released carbon model, with a slacker head tube angle, longer reach, and lower front end. The geometry is adjustable via a flip-chip that can drop the bottom bracket by 8mm and slacken the head tube and seat tube angles by 0.5-degree.


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The Jeffsy Base in Black Magic.
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Internal cable routing throughout.

Both the 27.5" and 29" Jeffsy Base models are spec'd with a RockShox Yari RC with 160mm of travel for the smaller wheels and 150mm on the 29er. This is paired with a RockShox Deluxe Select rear shock. The bike also comes with a SRAM 1x12 Eagle drivetrain, Race Face Aeffect R 35mm bar and stem, DT Swiss M1900 wheelset, and Maxxis Minion DHR tires. The frame also fits a Fidlock water bottle.

Servicing and maintaining the Jeffsy Base is designed to be simple with single-sided hardware enabling the suspension linkage and rear triangle hardware to be installed and removed from the same side. There are also additional double seals that protect the bearings and keep water and dirt out.

The Jeffsy Base 29 weighs 15.3 kg or 33.7 lbs and the Jeffsy Base 27.5" weigh a claimed 15.2 kg or 33.2 lbs in a size large with tubes. Both bikes sell for $2,299 USD.

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For more information: yt-industries.com

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223 Comments
  • 106 3
 Now you guys can stop whining about the lack of AL versions this year! (:
  • 6 0
 Finally!!
  • 26 33
flag pperini (Jan 16, 2020 at 6:15) (Below Threshold)
 those weight number though...i wonder why they are so heavy? My Radon Swoop with 29ers and 170mm front and back weights 14.6kg on size XL...why are these trail/AM bikes so heavy?...
  • 36 1
 @pperini: Aluminium frame and low end nx group set could be to reason
  • 17 1
 would you give me some time already?? i'm sure i'll find something to whine about.
  • 3 0
 @pperini: Frame and components (drivetrainn, wheelset, handlebar) are heavier and sum up to the main difference I guess
  • 46 6
 @pperini: Its $2300 - get some perspective, some parts are going to be heavier to achieve the price of this bike - a bike good enough that it wont hold back 95% of the riding population but costs less than a chinese made carbon frame from Santa Cruz, Yeti etc.

I imagine your Radon isnt as cheap as this either and travel doesnt really have to correlate with weight, it depends on what the bike has been designed to do, a longer stroke fork / shock alone wont add up to a large amount but a stronger frame, more durable tyres etc will.
  • 10 21
flag Scart35 (Jan 16, 2020 at 6:34) (Below Threshold)
 Still on lowend components so... nope
  • 19 3
 @wowbagger: Why is the aluminum model so low-spec. Wahhhh!!
  • 19 3
 @pepazz: Even worse, it's SX
  • 13 2
 @pperini: The SX eagle drivetrain is 2,328g, that's the culprit. I bet the frame isn't light either.

Also people seem to be forgetting this is a £1999 bike. It's not going to be the greatest spec you've ever seen.

I agree they should do some high end alu builds - but this is the base model and the spec looks really good for what they're charging.
  • 12 0
 @roma258: I dig the inexpensive models but would love to see a mid or high range build as well. I have the Jeffsy Pro Race but would have gladly purchased the same spec on a metal frame if their was a financial benefit.

pricing and builds aside, it's a great looking metal frame.
  • 11 3
 @Scart35: It's $2,300, did you expect high end components... $2,300 alternatively can buy you a shiny new Fox 36 Fork and an X01 Eagle groupset.
  • 15 2
 @pperini: They probably use lead base paint.
  • 4 1
 @daugherd: Just buy the complete, take off every component new, sell it, and buy what you want. It'll still be cheaper than most bikes. A Santa Cruz for example aluminum frame only is $2000.
  • 12 2
 Once I saw SX I lost all interest
  • 9 2
 @pperini: light, strong, cheap - u only get to pick 2
  • 20 2
 @artistformlyknowasdan: NX is considered cheap. SX is considered junk.
  • 1 0
 That is most certainly not a DHR on the back! LOL
*on the full picture of the black bike* also wrong on both bike on their website.
  • 20 1
 @edrs: I would take the lowest offering of Shimano over SX.

Seriously tho, I'd take slx 10 or 11 speed with a sunrace cassette over SX.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: What else comes close for the price though? (RRP, not discounted stuff)
  • 5 0
 @justanotherusername: Vitus Escarpe
  • 14 13
 Meh, pressfit. Pass. Nothing worst that mail order warranty support over things that creak
  • 3 0
 @pperini: Swoop is awesome and cheap as chips, 170 27.5 is under 3kg w/o shock in L. Even cosidering that mine cracked (100+ bikepark or shuttle days), picked up used frame for 350eur and was back riding. Built up bike for my GF on JAB frame I got for warranty.
Not many mortals ride that lot/hard, no reason to overbuild stuff.
  • 2 0
 @usedbikestuff: it's not ideal but once i got a Hope one for my old Jeffsy it worked fine. $100ish fix.
  • 3 1
 @pperini: Lacondeguy isn't on the team anymore but that doesn't mean you can't run 26" wheels. The 27.5" wheeled bike is lighter than the 29" model, so my genius just struck. Thank you. Thank you for the applause. Heck, why even go baby steps like they go with geometry? 24" rear isn't even pushing it. 20" front and rear, now that is pushing it. True technological progress comes from dragging other fields of science into this. Just discovered mathematics. Watch this. Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby present you the Jeffsy AL with minus 29" wheels!
  • 3 1
 @wowbagger: there are options no doubt. But pressfit tools and destroying things as they are removed never say well with me. Shimano pressfit bottom brackets are the k-cup of the cycling world
  • 5 3
 @usedbikestuff: threaded bb over dreaded bb any day, totally with you Smile just i wouldn't let it drive me away from an otherwise fine bike
  • 1 1
 @pperini: "why are these trail/AM bikes so heavy?"

Listed weights are rarely completely honest, with little tricks like subtracting the tubes that are supplied in the tires and adding up the listed weights of all the components, which are rarely accurate. There's a strong incentive to quote a lower number - and here we are, adding to it!

Maybe this weight is just honest, which can be worth several hundred grams. It may also include the tubes and pedals, which are almost never part of a weight spec and could account for 800g - 900g. Plus the SX components.
  • 2 0
 @pperini: bikes are weighed with the Large frame size this year
  • 1 0
 @pperini: not set up tubeless...
  • 2 0
 @usedbikestuff: A new RF PF30 BB is $50. Mine lasted 3 years. Even White Industries makes a PF BB nowadays. You cant ruin your frame cross-threading a PF BB.
  • 1 0
 @flipoffthemonkeys: They never are. Sealant and valve stems are a personal choice.
  • 14 2
 you guys are really fired up damn....by the way just for the record: my bike (2019 Swoop 8.0) was listed at 2500euros, so its barely any more expensive than this, plus it ALSO has an Alu frame, plus the weight 14.6 is ALSO with tubes...so again, my question is still quite valid...if Radon is able to offer a "super-enduro" with 170 mil and 29ers front and back with an aluminium frame for 2500 bucks, why the f*ck is this Jeffsy so expensive/heavy?! Directly compared to my bike this Jeffsy should either be lighter or at least cheaper....You guys get triggered pretty darn easy dont you...damn i remember the days Pinkbike was actually a comminity...now its worse than Youtube comment section you cannot even as a question anymore...
  • 6 0
 @pepazz: NX is made from recycled lead shot.
  • 3 0
 @pperini: Because Radon spec decent components and the Swoop frame is actually a very nice, light bit of metalwork. And also probably because they don't spend anywhere near as much on marketing and sponsorship as YT.
  • 2 0
 @R-M-R: They also normally weigh a small and @toesonthenose2 says these claimed weights are for a large
  • 1 0
 @endlessblockades: i know, but you would lose 1/2 lb. from published weight by going tubeless
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: well that is true..
  • 1 1
 @pperini: it could come down to the engineering choices and aluminum specs. Not all AL grades weigh the same and the wall thickness could be different. YT might have chosen to go a little thicker due to their testing / engineering demands. My old Cove STD frame alone, no shock, weighed 4.4 kg. Most frames are lighter now because these companies figured out they can be. Someone also mentioned that the manufacturers tend to under report weights so perhaps your Swoop was under reported more than the YT. Acceptable scale differentials? Wont know without 2 stock bikes weighed on the same scale. SX crank to your X1 crank could be half the weight difference alone. I think someone else mentioned components also.
As far as price there are many variables from supply costs, marketing, brand recognition, warranty / crash replacement policies etc etc that few if any of us have the data on.
  • 1 1
 @chakaping: When Radon signed Manon Carpenter, she landed on a team with a couple of world champs if I recall correctly (including her and team manager). Not sure whether I just haven't been paying proper attention but it seems to me like when Manon quit WC DH racing soon after, it all went a bit silent around them. Not putting any blame on Manon but I can imagine for a company it can be a debacle when you set up a team, are working on the development of new bikes and then your hot shot rider you gambled on to bring in the gold pulls out mid season. They may need to bounce back from that and save up for a new marketing campaign. Obviously a good bit of it was paid for up front but they just had little marketable material to eventually show the audience.

@pperini: I think the response was in part because pulling a direct relation between weight and price is considered a bit shallow. It is like dismissing a lady saying "60kg and only cup B? I've had 58kg girls with cup C." There is just much more relevant to a person than that.
  • 1 0
 @jamesbrant: if thats true, then SX is made from depleted uranium
  • 5 0
 @hamncheez: I'd take M952 XTR from 1998 over SX!
  • 5 0
 @hamncheez: This all the way. I would rather have manufacturers go lower speed on the drivetrain to save money for better brakes. 12-speed is overhyped in my opinion. 10 or 11 at the most are plenty.
  • 2 0
 @pperini: low end overbuilt component. It’s basically a frame only deal you can ride why you save up for new parts. Do they do frame onlys?
  • 2 0
 @endlessblockades: too many years of working at bike companies has jaded me. For every one person willing to spend $50 on a bb like that there are 100 who won’t. That’s who complains. And Squeaky bb’s get the grease as they say.
  • 1 0
 @flipoffthemonkeys: Do any companies ship tubeless? Honest question - I have no recent experience. Does an LBS bike come tubeless? It just seems like such a personal setup equation...inserts? sealant brand, etc. I wouldn't want that done for me I don't think.
  • 1 0
 @usedbikestuff: Fair enough. I've been lucky with them i guess.
  • 1 0
 @Xlr8n: both garbage
  • 3 0
 @bowhunter3: Way I see it, this is a really decent, capable bike for £1999. You could ride serious trails on this bike.

Frame with good geo and kinematics
1x drivetrain
Very decent suspension
150mm dropper post on a large
Decent tires and wheels

It's a bit heavy, but if you've got the extra buck to spend the higher end builds are sub 30lbs.

For a first proper mountain bike this would be really good.
  • 1 0
 @endlessblockades:
You got 3 years out of a race face BB ! Do you live in the desert and re grease after every ride?
  • 2 0
 @endlessblockades: Giant mid to upper level bikes all come factory tubeless.
  • 1 0
 So disappointing that they're only offering a base spec model in aluminium. I don't like carbon, but I do like high end dampers, brakes, wheels, and drive train.
  • 1 0
 @danp63: Different brands, different strategies. Not too long ago I recall if a fancy and expensive bike was featured on PB you'd be sure to come across a good number of "no carbon, not interested" comments or "for that kind of money I can get a carbon ...". So yeah, a fair couple of companies must have gone with that sentiment. You can still get high end aluminium or steel bikes with a high end spec. Think Orange, Nicolai, Cotic, Commencal, Alutech to only name a few. For the kind of money this YT bike goes, you could also choose to buy the complete bike, get a decent hardtail frame (and probably bb and headset) and swap everything over. Then either keep that hardtail for yourself (I think you could have a blast having all these "low end" components on a Cotic BFe) or just sell the hardtail as practically new and effectively have a good aluminium full suspension frame for little money. That's where you can start building the bike to your personal preferences.
  • 1 0
 Not really. One capra and one Jeffsey? What about a Tues?
  • 1 0
 @endlessblockades: There’s a few reasons for this. Most brands that import bikes on a massive scale have hundreds of containers of bikes in different states of transport. They spends months moving through port, on the ocean, on trains heading to warehouses for distribution, etc. If the original assembler of the bike put tubeless sealant in a tire, it would be 6-12 months before that bike hits the shop floor at the very least. Chances are, most of the bikes wouldn’t make it there with sealant still functioning, and the shop would need to scape the sealant out and replace it.

From a more practical point of view, us as avid mountain bikers are a persnickety bunch. We argue over geo and cassette weights, and most of us have a sealant if choice that’s disappointed us least. For me, if a bike was set up tubeless it wouldn’t be a selling point, because whatever came In that tire would be replaced with Muc Off before those tires ever sniffed dirt. I’d rather just pull out a tube than clean out some old mystery sealant,

Now, there are brands that do set up tires tubeless, but most prefer that the shop does it if the customer requests it. I work in the industry and in our bubble of people that ride 200+ days a year it’s ridiculous that anyone would not ride tubeless. But for people who don’t maintain or ride their bikes on regular basis, tubeless is a huge pain in the ass, and unfortunately that’s the majority of the bike buying public.
  • 1 0
 @UnInc126:

Great answer. Never thought about the transit time. I want full control over my tubeless setup and final assembly anyway.
  • 1 0
 @endlessblockades: Brands that assemble to order do actually offer the option to have your tires set up tubeless. This includes direct to customer brands like Rose and Propain. If you know the wheel is going to be set up tubeless anyway, it is pretty much useless to waste a tube on it. It takes less effort to install the proper valve and seat the tire right away without sealant. It may be drive to deliver a bike "ready to ride" that would cause a brand like YT to install a tube by default.
  • 1 1
 @edrs: couldn’t agree more. Some more ocean fill from SRAM. Gross.
  • 2 0
 @bonfire: What's the deal with people dropping their bicycle parts in the ocean these days?
  • 3 0
 @bowhunter3: +1, have 12-speed on my hightower and never even use the 50t, I'd rather have 11-speed it's lighter and cheaper and I feel like the 12-speed chains are easier to break
  • 1 0
 @lukeshort7: e13/shimano combo has been my favourite drivetrain in history. Maybe requires a little more maintenance that maintenance free full shimano drivetrains but it still doesn't need playing with as much as sram brakes or drivetrains. Plus the added rear clearance and smaller front chainring helps.
  • 1 0
 @lukeshort7: Chains in 12spd are actually less likely to break.
  • 1 0
 @bonfire: 12sp chain with a 11sp cassette is probably best in this case. I am actually disappointed that the new 11sp Shimano drivetrain didn't make it. That is, with 12sp spacing but with 11sp cassette hence wider flanges in the same hub width. Makes sense for those who don't really need the 51t cassette sprocket. Eventually Shimano took on too much at once and XTR got delayed so I get that it got dropped. Plus of course apparently gearing range is a big selling point these days even for those who don't really need that range. But just as the quest for more travel (like "I can get more suspension travel for less money" argument) is finally over, hopefully the same will eventually go for the quest for more gearing range. Will probably take something like two more years at least. SRAM has the ego to one-up Shimano once more and release a 13sp drivetrain with even more gearing range and it will become apparent this is utter nonsense before Shimano finally would come around to release their own version.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: I'm pretty sure 12 speed cassettes use the same width driver, they just dish the largest cogs over the spokes.

@WAKIdesigns is starting a small bike component company (small company, not company that makes parts for small bikes) that takes XT and XTR 12 speed cassettes and grinds off the largest 51 tooth cog. Hit him up.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: I recall the new 11sp XTR cassette required a narrower microspline body to allow for wider flange spacing. So it still had the same spacing as the new 12sp XTR groupset, but just with one less sprocket, a narrower body and wider spoke flanges. Because they had issues with the hub, they decided to not release the two different versions and stuck with the more popular 12sp hub and scrapped the new 11sp microspline hub. As far as I know, there is no 11sp microspline hub. I'll try to look up the original press release and link to it.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: from www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-shimanos-new-xtr-m9100-is-more-than-just-12-speed.html

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11-speed? In an unexpected turn of events, Shimano developed an 11-speed cassette that shares the same gearing as its 10 by 51, but with the 51 removed. The reasoning was that, when asked, Shimano's sponsored racers (both from enduro and cross country), maintained that they didn't need the 51, and were unwilling to carry the burden of the extra cog. Riders who commit to XTR 11-speed can choose a special hub that spaces
Hyperglide+ Gearing Options:

10 x 51 Wide Range:
• 12-speed
• 510% gear range
• 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 33, 39, 45, 51
• 367 grams

10 X 45 Rhythm Step:
• 12-speed
• 450% gear range
• 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 40, 45
• 357 grams

10 X 45 Lightweight:
• 11-speed
• 450% gear range
• 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 33, 39, 45
• 310 grams
the hub flange 4.7 millimeters to the right to help even out the spoke tension, but there's no going back to 12 speed, because the 12th cog will touch the spokes. 11-speed cassettes are backward compatible with 12-speed hubs. Adding up the weight benefits of one less aluminum cog, a couple of missing chain links, and by taking advantage of XTR's mid-length rear derailleur cage option, finicky pros can save 80 grams.
"
  • 54 4
 That's a blue bike guys... and there's also a black verison of the same blue bike... for people who don't like blue... and there's the blue version of the black bike... just in case you don't like black
  • 44 12
 Disappointing to say the least. Why have a delayed release for the lowest spec possible AL bike?? Come on YT I thought you were actually going to listen to your customers and provide an AL bike with a half way decent spec? I don"t want to turn this into a carbon/aluminum debate. Just saying some people want an al bike with a higher end spec but I guess that's too much to ask for. YT released their limited edition AL version of the Capra and those suckers sold out quick. Ibis just came out with the Ripmo AF and they are a company known for high end carbon bikes. I don't get why YT couldn't come out with a better spec. I don't want to be forced in to buying carbon for a better spec. Puts a bad taste in my mouth. I had my eyes set on the Ripmo AF and wanted to wait to see what YT would do. Thanks for making it easy YT. Rant over.
  • 23 0
 Clear AF sir
  • 9 0
 You consider a norco sight? You can get a higher (not highest) spec in alum
  • 3 1
 Probably cause they still had LOT's of the old aluminum bikes sitting around ready to ship... so they waited...
  • 7 0
 @ThunderChunk: the sight A1 is a killer build for the $.
  • 2 1
 For the price you could upgrade to what you want. I upgraded almost everything on my 18 AL and it still cost cheaper then my friends HT
  • 2 3
 this is still a better value than an aluminum only brand's base model trail bike [co-ugh-mmencal] just saying.
  • 6 0
 You saw the CARBON comp is the same price as the Ripmo AF right. That makes it a pretty tough battle.
  • 3 0
 I speculate that the cost of producing carbon has come down to the point that the profit margins are much larger on carbon bikes given the 'carbon markup' that comes with them.
  • 2 1
 @Whatajohnny: The META AM 29 RIDE 2020 has a significantly better spec for only $150 bucks more. Not sure what you're referring to.
  • 1 0
 @Chuch: yeah saw that. Looking for al though
  • 4 1
 Instead of complaining, go and buy the Ripmo AF for $2,999 and get support not only from your local Ibis dealer on the phone, but in person. Compressea your warranty timeline by a large amount if it ever comes up.
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: I was referring to the 2020 META TR (Commencal equivalent) which comes with a better shock and drivetrain, but worse wheelset for $300 more. Not a huge difference but - you know. :-)
I was mainly commenting on a carbon manufacturer's ability to produce a cheaper aluminum offering for less than an exclusive aluminum brand.
  • 2 1
 @DHhack: If there wasn’t complaining then there wouldn’t be any change. Give the customers what they want. I like the Jeffsy and YT was hyping the “metal lovers” advertising and I was hoping for more than this. That’s all. But yeah I plan on buying the Ripmo for all of the points you mentioned.
  • 1 0
 @cheeverbrent: Patience.....
  • 2 0
 @Whatajohnny: Aluminum done right is more expensive to produce than cheap carbon. It's better also in my opinion. Not all carbon layups are comparable, much like not all aluminum alloys are the same.
  • 1 0
 @endlessblockades: Got some insider information?
  • 3 0
 its to bad that companies don't just offer all the spec lists in alloy or carbon framesets. you get to decide how high up the price point you want to go with the components on it, and have the luxury of deciding on alloy or carbon. it would be sweet!
  • 2 0
 @Singletrack-minded: This! I know they need to work things so they don't completely cannibalize their carbon sales, but more brands need to work things like Ibis and give the buyer a choice instead of always throwing aluminum to the base model/newbie builds... OR the once a year limited edition builds that are mostly just bought to turn around and resale.
  • 2 0
 @CircusMaximus: it's such a sick build/bike. I'm glad norco is going to continue to offer decent spec alum builds.
  • 30 1
 This with better components, that's what we are hoping for in the comments section this year, isn't it?
  • 12 0
 this! It would be nice to have more than one option with AL frams! Even if it were just two, higher end vs. financially responsible end
  • 5 0
 They going to have another AL jeffsy with better specs , at least I hope so.
  • 10 0
 Yeah I was expecting an AL option with a sweet component spec. *Sad trombone*
  • 7 0
 And external cables, and threaded BB...
  • 5 0
 Or just a frame only...and titanium...or steel
  • 7 0
 Exactly. Or more frame-only AL options.
  • 3 0
 MORE.METAL.MODELS.TO.COME...............
  • 2 0
 I mean this with better components leaves you with the Ibis Ripmo AF or Alloy Canyons, nukeproofs, commencals, etc. There are plenty of great affordable alloy bikes that have kickass components
  • 2 0
 @endlessblockades: Pink Bike tried to DEFILE the metal but the metal had its way!
  • 1 0
 @goldencycle: santa cruz as well (all except the mega...)
  • 24 3
 All you mothaf*ckers bitching about 33.2 pounds for a size large bike built mid/base level components are f*cking hilarious.

50% of you, I guarantee lie about your bikes weight to your friends and yourself (shame on you) , and the other 50% couldn't distinguish a 29 pound bike from a 33 pound bike and more than likely would feel that the 33 pound bike felt more "stable"
  • 1 0
 ????????????
  • 2 0
 I forgot emojis don't work lol.
*laughing face*
  • 1 0
 I added a kilogram on my Slash just by replacing the stock XR4's with a dh casing assegai and dhf. I only notice the weight when lifting a bike, but can't tell a difference when riding and my previous bike was 20kg. Weight is no big deal.
  • 17 1
 Dear consumer direct bike companies....please start spec'ing Shimano Deore and SLX on your base builds over SX and NX.....woof
  • 5 0
 They are undoubtedly getting better pricing by spec'ing SRAM's rock shox suspension and drivetrain together. I bet they pay next to nothing for the SX groupo.
That being said, I think many folks would be interested in an aluminum build with SLX and Fox. It would likely push it close to the $3k mark though.
  • 4 0
 @Xlr8n: I'm aware that this is likely the case, it's just that Deore, SLX, and heck XT are extremely low cost group sets through various secondary market channels which hints at how competitive these components should be with this SRAM stuff. It seems that SRAM by providing a bulk component/suspension discount has facilitated the creation of a "shimano tax" whereby the value of the shimano specd bikes seem disproportionately inflated by comparison and perhaps I'm a skeptic, but the price discrepancies just don't seem to jive and I have a hard time believing it all comes down to a package discount. Oh well....
  • 1 0
 @Inclag: Agree with you. You'd think Shimano would be tired of SRAM getting such a big piece of the pie and get aggressive with pricing, but SRAM has the ball in their court by owning Rockshox.
  • 4 0
 @Xlr8n: The SLX is on the same level as SX? I always thought SLX was the best of both worlds.. still light and capable enough as the XT and XTR, but almost as cheap as Deore... If i could, i would spec all my bikes SLX.... must admit though, I am not one of them super star riders, just a hobby/weekend warrior...
  • 7 0
 @saladdodger: XT = XO, SLX = GX, and Deore = NX. SX would be below Deore level imho. Pretty cheap stuff.
  • 2 0
 @Xlr8n: 100% agree with you. Seems to me that the smart money value build would be Deore with 'pick your poison' suspension. Hollow tech crank technology with Shimanos excellent BB interface, high peak force brakes (unfortunately they last a year under hard use), and a rear mech that is very durable since shimano knows their metallurgy. It used to be that folks would look at weights and the rear derailleur when purchasing. Now it seems like purchasing decisions are based on the size of the dinner plate cassette.
  • 14 0
 No internal storage? So 2019!
  • 11 0
 No kidding. In 2020, you'd expect at least 64GB of storage
  • 3 0
 @ryan77777: yeah but we all know it's all about the RAM.
  • 11 5
 Is it me or are manufacturers increasing the suspension travel and components on their trail bikes to push them more towards enduro? I have a 2018 Jeffsy 27.5 with a 150mm Pike fork and its a great trail bike. This new AL model has a Yari 160mm fork, isn't that going to be less sensitive and more for hard hits? Canyon have done the same with the Spectral. 27.5 trail bikes with 140-150mm travel seem to be fast disappearing.
  • 6 1
 Yep.

"Capable"/"all-mountain" bikes 27,5 or 29, 160 front, 140 to 155 rear, good for climbing, good for descending, good for a bikepark day or two a year, good for few enduro races.
Then 29er (rarely 27,5), 160 or 170 front, 150 to 170 rear, capable of climbing, really great for descending, for EWS, bikeparks laps, etc...
And at the other end of the spectrum, what was "big travel XC" and are now "mini-enduro bikes" : 29 (or 27,5), 130 to 150 front, 120 to 140 rear, very good for climbing, very good for descending on "normal" trails.

That's it, those which was named "enduro" are now dedicated to enduro races (so are the new "freerider bikes", capable of climbing on the seat), when a really do-it-all bike is now an all-mountain (just like it should always be) and a trail bike is a bike which shines on your daily trails.
  • 8 3
 How do you even ride that dinosaur?
  • 7 0
 don't worry, they will launch a 130mm downcountry bike eventually
  • 4 0
 @vweb: honestly, I have to wonder how many local (non-EWS) enduro racers really benefit from 160 travel on their bikes. Even EWS cats often use their sponsor's 140 travel "all-mountain" bikes and just throw a big fat fork on it and do great. Meanwhile you're pedaling that monster around all day to what end? I know all modern enduro bikes pedal great, but I mean, it's all relative.
  • 3 0
 YT uppde the travel by 10 mm, to Pro Race level, on the lower end models for this year. Canyon increase travel and decreased tyre volume on the Spectral, to preserve BB height, probably a smart move. The spec on the AL Jeffsy is seriously appointing, would be nice to chose between better component spec or carbon frame, but then we would see that the CF frame probably isn't that much more expensive. Happy I got last years CF Comp on discount last autumn.
  • 4 0
 @roma258: maybe "non-EWS" guys are less fit/less technical ? After a long day, having 20 or 30mm more helps a lot to not crash AND ride faster. BUT those 20 or 30mm more tend to be more difficult to climb...
  • 1 0
 @roma258: it really depends where you live. I'm riding really steep, rocky and gnarly trails where I live. 6ft + drops. I use up all of my 170mm travel. Depending on how rough the trail is, sometimes it's not enough so I bring out my gambler.
  • 2 0
 It is kind of a hilarious tail chasing circle. They will upgrade a mid tier bike with longer travel and more extreme geo.(course most of us consumers gobble that up!!) and then they will have to go push the next level bike so they can differentiate. But then that bike becomes Super Enduro and fir most people it's too much bike for most situations. (Often too much bike for most EWS riders most of the time who ride the next bike down mostly) AND then... there will be a gap in the lineup under the mid tier bike and they will need another model, or at least they will need to over fork the XC bike. (Which YT doesn't have)

Big S was smart, and a big enough company to do versions of the Stumpy for all tastes. Short travel, regular and the EVO. Though you still get pushed to the Enduro if your a bigger guy cause they don't make the evo in larger sizes...
  • 4 0
 @roma258: basing my decisions of what excellent riders are doing would be a really bad idea. Sure, great riders can ride double black sections on rigid bikes. That doesn't mean I should.

I picked up a 2019 AL Capra that weighs 5 pounds more than my trail bike. I got it as a park bike for those trails where my DH bike is overkill and as a backup park bike. But because it is new I've been riding it on local trails. I might be a bit slower on the climbs but not enough that I can tell except by putting a stop watch to it. And I'm having a blast in the down hills. It feels so much more composed that I'm hitting the bigger features without thinking twice. And I'm using all the travel.

5 pounds of 2.5 percent of my total riding weight. So not a huge deal for climbing speed. And the more modern geo and better technical climbing (wheel size) cuts that difference a bit. Regardless it is a piece I'm willing to pay for the down hill fun, apparently.
  • 1 0
 @pcmxa: I can see Capra as a park bike. And if your terrain is huge, sure make sense. Maybe I am just looking at it through the lens of an East Coast rider where our terrain is rocky and gnarly, but maybe our features out on the trails are just not that huge. And we don't have massive sustained descents. It's just having done a couple enduros, you realize how much climbing is involved and I think I'd rather save some energy not lugging around a big heavy, squishy bike and go faster as a result in the stages, then arrive to the start gate completely spent. Maybe I just need to get fitter Smile
  • 4 0
 @roma258: I wouldn't say my terrain is huge. We have plenty of rocks in New Mexico, but like you our trails are setup as more up and down than long descents. They are built so there are plenty of optional features and there are double black sections or features in pretty much every trail system around me, but I think my point was more the whole "overbiked thing." I'm sure everything I ride can be ridden by someone on a rigid bike. But those riders, like Yoann, are 1. very skilled 2. very fit, and 3. very confident in 1 and 2. Pro EWS racers probably also fit this. For the rest of us, a 2.5% weight penalty for a bike that helps with when are skills are just a bit not pro level, might not be a big penalty to pay. Especially if were not racing. I mean do I care about that 30 seconds on a 30 minute climb? Or being 2.5% more tired? I can just rest a bit longer and enjoy the woods. I don't have start times and no one cares how fast I'm going downhill. What that bigger bike gets me is this feeling that "hey, I can hit that and not be at the total edge." That little bit of confidence is often all I need to progress just a step or two further.
  • 4 0
 they go up to come down again... Pricing is margin driven. YT is not a social club and like everybody else in the game are looking after their margins.
  • 2 0
 @pcmxa: Agreed. People tripping like they are top pros. I do race (badly) but I've ridden a Capra for nearly 5 years as my daily driver.
  • 1 0
 @pcmxa: I'd love to see a more precise discussion on this, but I don't think you can say a difference of 5 pounds is only 2.5% of combined weight. Your bike weight acts differently then your body weight, since you have to lift your bike over obstacles, etc... Plus factor in the fact that more suspension means less direct power transfer. I'd love to actually read up on this.
  • 2 0
 Blame the marketing and product development teams. It goes something like:
Guy 1: Okay guys we made a great bike last year, everybody loved it. What should we do for next year?

Guy 2: Ummmm how about more of everything?

Guy 1: Genius! that's a wrap for today everyone.
  • 1 0
 @pcmxa: my Capra AL 29 XXL weighted (15,6kg) is lighter than the Jeffsy 29 AL on paper!

BTW, has your Capra also a broken chainstay (bridge near BB)?
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: But all based on our buying habits, so we have nobody to blame but ourselves...
  • 2 0
 @stiingya: I definitely blame you Big Grin
  • 9 2
 Serious bargain these bikes. Similarly equipped aluminum options from large popular brands cost dealers more than this...
  • 3 2
 For sure, a 2020 Slash 8 with similar spec has an msrp of $3,700...
  • 8 2
 @edruscha: ya and you can also get an AL fuel EX for $2,099 aaaaand that one has the holy shimano on it.
  • 2 0
 @edruscha:
Or a Stumpy ST of $1,680.
High end YT’s are where the bargain is low end is pretty meh.
  • 3 0
 @edruscha: or a Giant stance 3 for $2,000. I could go on but I’m just being an ass.
  • 9 0
 Look at the ripmo AF. 700 more you get top of the line suspension, better wheel set, better drivetrain and better geometry. Was hoping for something better than this from YT.
  • 7 1
 @cheeverbrent: Right on. The Ripmo AF is hands down the winner of the best value in MTB right now. It's nice to see so many examples of great bikes under $3,000.

@sunringlerider
Fuel EX: Garbage Shimano group, Boring...
Stumpy ST: Yeah, that's a good one!
Giant Stance: Geo kinda sucks, Meh...
  • 3 0
 @mtbgeartech:
Ya the stance is pretty bla. The trance is a little better and still pretty awesome price point.
My point is that just about every bike mfg makes bikes at this price point that have shit components.
I can’t say much I have a garage full of dentist bikes. But I’m not a dentist, just broke.
  • 2 0
 @sunringlerider: Oh man, I'll take low end Shimano over low-mid-midhigh end SRAM every time!
  • 11 4
 That's a blue pig, not a trail bike. 16 kg with pedals wtf? The first alu jeffsy was 14 kg, that's crazy
  • 5 2
 But now they don't have to constantly warranty broken frames??? Just guessing...
  • 2 2
 @stiingya: if their 14 kg alu trail bike frame had failure problems they should have just designed it better. Filling it with lead isn't the best way to solve it i guess.
  • 2 1
 @DavideBalbo: Most alu bikes with this spec will weigh in this much. You can shave some weight on components, but you aren't gonna get high end at this price point. Remember that bikes are getting longer, which requires more material and constitutes for a heavier weight.
  • 1 0
 Yeah my MK1 Jeffsy 29 AL Comp with a DVO Jade coil is 33.6 lbs. So yeah these seem heavy, but likely due to the components not the frame I'd suspect. SX is most likely much heavier than SLX + RF Turbine + E13 TRS+ cassette, and Yari w/ motion control heavier than Pike w/ charger. I think they include the tubes in the weight as well, which shaves a bit off when you go tubeless.

I think that blue with a silver Pike would look sweet though, but I'm not in the market.
  • 5 0
 year 2015 - Pike RC, RockShox Monarch R, sram GX, ... price 2099 €
year 2020 - Yari RC, RockShox Deluxe Select, Sram ... Price 2299 €
Why ??????????????
  • 1 0
 year 2020 Sram SX better only frame, and to finish home
  • 3 0
 I feel like longer travel suspension bikes kinda suffer with lower end builds. It just feels bad to spend more than 2K on a bike and get an SX group set. A similarly speced bike from Marin would be $1900, mostly because short travel bikes can run cheaper forks.

Offer this bike, but also offer a 3K aluminum bike that has solid suspension.
  • 3 0
 34 lbs? Yari? SX? Weighs more than my 1 year older capra 27.5, wich is a turd unless your on a downhill. Oh wait, 29 inch wheels! Hold the phone! How long after I order does it ship?!!! Available in november? Does it come with a YT hat?!! (Ps capra for sale and half gallon of the all mountain enduro koolaid included...)
  • 5 0
 All that weight and no way to hydrate, makes me thirsty just looking at it!
  • 1 0
 It fits their YT bottle called the Thirstmaster 4000
  • 5 0
 Lets see the same aluminum bike with full Shimano SLX and shock with a lockout.
  • 2 0
 Compare to a ripmo af.

Cheaper ($600)

But...

Ripmo = nx drivetrain, better sus package. Better geo, arguably better sus platform.

Reality check says an xl ripmo weight (actual) 35.71 pounds With pretend pedals.

Loving alloy but I’m baffled by trail bike weights these days.
  • 5 0
 SX and Guide T, meh. Last good metal Jeffsy was the 2018 AL Comp.
  • 2 0
 i have the 2017 AL comp, race face turbine handlebars, stem, and cranks, sram X1 drivetrain, guide brakes, and pike forks and deluxe shock. it is a great spec now its getting harder and harder to find good specs like that on alloy frames.
  • 5 0
 So happy they ditched the e*thirteen drivetrain. 2020 bike line is dialed.
  • 1 0
 I wonder if YT has something else in the works. Looks like they've beefed up all their Jeffsy models considerably (all carbon versions have piggyback shocks, I think beefier wheelsets than last year), none are below 30lbs, when last year all were below 30 I believe (pro race was low 28lbs I think). Makes me think that (fingers crossed) that might have a short travel trail bike in the works.
  • 3 1
 Or just doing what they can to lessen failed components and lessen warranty applications
  • 3 0
 They also designate the 2020 Jeffsy as an “all mountain” bike. Leaving room for a “trail” bike in their lineup. Not sure if they will introduce any new bikes but it would be cool to see a 120/130 trail bike in their lineup!
  • 1 0
 I think we will see sick metal and coils shortly. Just a staggered news release.
  • 1 0
 @TheBearDen: not just Yt issue... All brands should get heavy to avoid warrantee squeeling?
  • 1 0
 2k and 15kg.. that s not too bad.. I used to ride 15kg bikes all the time - never an issue.. unless you wanna race it, then of course it is different.. I like they make a bike for entry level - it is more than good enough for most people I would think.. And yes.. pressfit BBs are the worst invention yet.. what a pain....
  • 1 0
 It a shame YT does not talk to their customers on platform like pinkbike and facebook. No Questions ever answer form them. They can only put out press release and that is it.
  • 5 2
 Those are some good looking bikes! This may be the year I switch from carbon back to aluminum.
  • 3 1
 My thoughts exactly Smile
  • 3 0
 Would be nice if their Canadian website mentioned this build. And sucks that $2300 US somehow equates to $3500 Cdn...
  • 5 0
 it also equals 2300€ which is close to the 2600usd mark. canada still getting it worse tho. Also is it just me or is the spec worse now than it used to be for the AL base, didnt it come with NX eagle and Fox 34 rythm / DPS ?
  • 2 0
 Yeah that's weird. Should be a lot less than that. Best to just buy from the US site and ship to the border (if you can)
  • 2 0
 You are lucky... The South African site shows nothing... down for maintenance for months now !!
  • 1 0
 @dhengen: add 13% to the price if you do for import duties on bicycles, plus sales tax.
  • 3 1
 @woofer2609: everyone knows the trick is send it to the border, hop across, put it together and take if for a ride. Bring it back across as 'used' and pay no duty!
  • 1 0
 @dhengen: Sounds like a great plan...until Border services asks for your BSF407 form and confiscates your bike, red flags are raised every subsequent visit across the border, and you get demerits against, or completely lose, your NEXUS status. (Yes, it happens.)
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609: I've crossed the border hundreds of times over the years with all kinds of gear... I've never been asked for or even heard of that form. Is my grandpa at risk when he goes cycle touring in Vermont?
  • 1 0
 @bishopsmike: highly unlikely that he would ever run into an issue. I used to fill them out if I had new, or new looking cameras or bikes with me. I haven't even been asked in a decade or more for proof articles came south with me. I do remember my dad getting asked if he had proof that our bikes were purchased in Canada (he did) which probably saved a lot of hassles. He started doing this because he'd had issues in the past proving items weren't acquired while travelling.
  • 2 0
 Hope they'll introduce better specs on AL as well. Propain's offer just seems a lot better otherwise, where you can have same spec on AL or CF based on what you prefer.
  • 2 1
 Finally sold out of the old frame design...??? Now they can do one of those RAW versions with sweet parts on it for the jeffsey that gets sold out in an hour and then goes up for sale again for twice as much... Smile
  • 2 0
 I wish they would do that with the Jeffsy. I’d buy it right now.
  • 3 0
 For f*ck sake YT, Just produce the PLAY CF already. They always sell out.....there’s plenty of market for it obviously!
  • 3 0
 Disappointing specs. Where is a AL Comp with a Pike and Super Deluxe of a Fox Factory Kit?
  • 5 3
 Great bike to get people started in to the mountain bike community. Good times and high fives thanks to YT!
  • 4 1
 just wish they would offer the sale of just their frames as an option
  • 3 0
 I know one thing... That bike is blue AF!
  • 2 0
 #EnduroBlueAin'tDead
  • 3 0
 mate it with DVO Diamond fork in blue! That would be the bee's knees.
  • 4 1
 Bargain Bangers!!! Glad to see reasonably priced bikes in today's market.
  • 1 0
 Nice to see them hitting such a low price point but the comp is a way better value between the components and carbon frame only another $700.
  • 2 0
 At this point I bet sram is paying companies to use sx. Free nx just ain't gonna cut it.
  • 3 1
 Can’t wait for a review about how it rides!
  • 2 0
 You can find them all over the place.. The Carbon frame is exactly the sema GEO so just read that review
  • 6 1
 With this weight? Rides up like a very old and exhausted goat. Down like the carbon version.
  • 2 0
 PB has something up their sleeve. Value Trailbike shootout or something coming soon.
  • 2 0
 Would be cool if this could be available as a frame + rear shock only...
  • 1 0
 The Capra Base with more travel has the same weight. Is it a mistake on their page?
  • 1 0
 YT should include some German beers with each purchase for your local bike mechanic.
  • 2 0
 Actually you do get free beer when you pick it up at the Mill. As much as you can drink. They tune the suspension for riding drunk.
  • 2 0
 is the 2020 geo diff from '19?
  • 2 0
 I believe they updated the aluminum to the same geo as 2019 carbon.
  • 2 0
 2.2k, for this spec? ehhh idk
  • 2 0
 I bought a canyon al 6.0 in 2018 with eagle gx and a pike for 2300.
  • 2 0
 cool... longer travel Cannondale habit.....
  • 1 0
 You mean SJ
  • 1 0
 so. what's the interesting news?
  • 1 0
 Will this bike be available in South-Africa
  • 1 1
 Great, another low end aluminum build which every other bike company offers. not sure whats so great about this?
  • 1 0
 I guess they stick with press-fit BB. -__-
  • 2 0
 $22. Hundred. Dollars.
  • 4 3
 rad bike. nice price point. good for a lot of people but ya wow heavy!
  • 6 6
 Low end components of this rig for the asking price is a joke of the year so far! LOL
  • 3 2
 I can't be the only one who thinks these paintjobs are god-fuckin-awful.
  • 2 1
 dark blue is sure better than groupthink gray, mint, flouro orange/green. and thankfully doesnt have fugly ass orange fork!
  • 1 0
 You mean youre not a fan of 'big boy blue'?
  • 1 0
 Oh and that canyon al 6.0 came in at a bit over 30 pounds
  • 1 0
 Can you get a Mullet version???
  • 1 0
 Why not Spec a better shock?
  • 1 0
 Headline: YT looks to boost ebike sales, releases Aluminum Jeffsy
  • 1 0
 My next bike. It’ll go perfectly with my ‘18 Tues.
  • 1 0
 WHERE DID THE TOP E13 COMMENT GO??????????????????????????????????
  • 1 0
 Seems like YT fell asleep at the wheel.
  • 1 0
 Total gomer pile...lol
  • 1 0
 2018 head angle
  • 1 0
 Will it still snap tho?







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