yea but dobs have really sweet geometry, high bb like a bmx, lowers your front abit which makes it rely easy to spin and do no footed tricks like t-whips, i know the guys who design and hand build em, they make top end equip'd bikes dude

 and bout the frame, i cudnt care less, ive ridin specialized p2/3, 125's, and a couple other frames and dobs still feel better... but ya, personal preference i guess

 i can just about do all those tricks anyways,just cant find the pedals on the t whips

 dobermann frame and ur pimp'd! haha

 i dont know i sorta like my norcos

 how do u like that dj1, better then thye dj2 2007?

 im riding frankie vass's fork right now, its beat to shit haha

 he gave it to ryan rosborough and i got it off ryan, till i get my velvet

 cut ur bars and that thing will be sick

 oh kk i like small bars better... but i geuss personal preference

 the dj 1 is lighter

 frakie has an argile

 i have his old dj2

 no i like wide bars

 thats niiice