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Album: Interbike-08
Category: Interbike 2008
Date Posted: Sep 27, 2008 at 20:07
Sep 27, 2008
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Trail: Interbike 2008
Riders: n/a.
Articles: Interbike 2008 - RockShox Boxxer 2010

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more45 (Oct 1, 2008 at 17:24)

interesting fact of the day: 888 ata/wc's dampener is held together with string.

straight from marz them self's

bansheeripper (Oct 1, 2008 at 22:33) (Below Threshold)

I would need to see that to believe it! Even if it is, there must be a reason for it and it must work, since I haven't heard any complaints of their cartridges coming appart!

louis2468routier (Oct 2, 2008 at 18:39)

The number of Marz. forks that come into the shop I go to is absolutely appauling...

I have seen a few of my friends have broken their "older" Boxxers this season but Ive also seen a couple of broken F40s.. But the ### of Marz. 55s', 66s' and 888s' is redonkulous!! Blown Air catridges, Sheared tubes, Snapped lowers.. Theyre never a "simple" fix with Marz. outrageously shitty customer service too!..

If Id were in the market for a new fork...
1. RS
2. Fox
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.RST
10.Marzocchi

bansheeripper (Oct 2, 2008 at 19:00) (Below Threshold)

Hey, Marzocchi replacing a blown cartridge for me for free on a fork that I bought used, is more that acceptable service.

Also, rating RST before Marzocchi? You need a cat scan, for that serious brain dammage!

more45 (Oct 2, 2008 at 20:00)

thats odd because we have a nitro cartridge here thats all messed and they told us to drill holes in it so it works better.

also we needed serive during crankworx and they told us to !@#$ing bad cuz it was crankworx week....hows that for crap service

bansheeripper (Oct 17, 2008 at 9:24)

Hey louis2468routier

Rateing RST before marzocchi, and yet you ride one. That's pretty low

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1553852

louis2468routier (Oct 17, 2008 at 11:50)

Why do you think this seasons build on my bike features a RS Totem?? I got rid of that 66 the fastest I could! From the get-go it was a peice of crap.. The first hour I was riding that 66 it was already spewing oil!..

If your a Marz. fanboy than thats good for you!.. From whats written on this page.. Your wrong buddayyy!

bansheeripper (Oct 18, 2008 at 11:20) (Below Threshold)

Hey alls I know, is Learn from the past! I stick with that that has given me the best of luck, and stay away from those that have failed for me! If you can't see the sense in this, then you got no common sense what so ever!

louis2468routier (Oct 18, 2008 at 12:35)

No common sense?? Just walk away dude walk away!

giant0rider (Nov 29, 2008 at 17:15)

i hope banshee-ripper knows that marz doesn't make the monster anymore.

i also hope he takes a look at these pictures.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/2455596

www.pinkbike.com/photo/2242129

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1295576

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1363173

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1258723

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1124067

and that is just a few.

marz is very low quality.

RS is very high quality with higher standards.

just because you have been riding for 10 years doesnt mean you know EVERYTHING. you obviously haven't ridden a rockshox fork if you think they suck. especially a boxxer. i guarantee you have never ridden one.

ridesanoldskool (Sep 13, 2009 at 19:52)

i agree hes never ridin boxxers or totems because if he had he wouldnt be argueing right now

bansheeripper (Sep 16, 2009 at 8:34)

giant0rider wrote: i hope banshee-ripper knows that marz doesn't make the monster anymore.

That's because, they don't need to, since you can go buy one of the old ones for dirt cheap, and they're still reliable! No need to make any new ones 'till all the old ones are gone! LOL But then at the rate boxxers fail, they better be poppin' out a thousand a day! LOL

more45 (Sep 16, 2009 at 17:11)

bottem line everything fails at some point.
2009 marz 66's are a good example.. dont think so? ask whistler

frdh (Oct 7, 2009 at 10:04)

www.pinkbike.com/photo/4077096

woah woah, is that a super MONSTER T I see broken?!?
I'm taking RockShox side, new marz products suck

bansheeripper (Oct 7, 2009 at 10:12)

OMFG!!!

Monster-T: 1
Boxxer: Hundreds, if not thousands!

Yup, Boxxer really takes the cake on this one!

frdh (Oct 7, 2009 at 11:52)

sorry buddy but i was simply stating that even monster Ts break. we all know there are pictures of boxxers broken, but then again the monster T weighs 13lbs, thats about twice the boxxer and who in the right mind would dh race with a monster and plan on winning anyway? The boxxer got in the top three at every world cup this year, marzocchi didnt get top three once, that says something about each of these companies. Oh and on another note, who won the redbull rampage last year? and on what fork was it won on?

bansheeripper (Oct 7, 2009 at 12:07)

I don't know the answers to those questions... I don't pay attention to the races and other events. I have a history of breaking lots of bikes/parts, and when I did it was very painful! For this reason, when I see a product with the failure rate of a Boxxer, I simply stay away from it for my own good... If others want to risc it on these faulty products, after the hundreds of pictures of proof, then go right ahead, and when you're laying in a hospitol bed, don't cry a single tear to me!

more45 (Oct 7, 2009 at 17:13)

they break as often as any other product... which is not overlly surprizing.. look at what we do with them

frdh (Oct 8, 2009 at 17:36)

Ok obviously no one is going to change your mind, and same for me. Clearly you like to just post on random pictures about how boxxers suck and how horrible they are, and yes there are defects every once in a while with EVERY product but the truth is, companies wouldnt sell a fork that just magically breaks all the time, you act like marzocchi products are perfect, which they are clearly not (especially with their newer line) and that the guys at rs are murdering people, chill.

kmart14 (Oct 21, 2008 at 17:07)

why dont u ppl shut up about wat fork is better its watever ur comfortable with if someone likes marz. then let them get a marz. but if someone likes something else so be it i ride an 06 88 its fine for me and i have had no problems with it so its w/e someone likes

mrbombsquad (Oct 2, 2008 at 18:34)

why dont you two get a room or something cuz i really dont think that anybody really cares and banshee-ripper, take a frickin chill pill

bansheeripper (Oct 2, 2008 at 19:02) (Below Threshold)

Either take a side, or stay the hell out of it!

ocsrider (Oct 2, 2008 at 23:19)

I take sammo's side. You are a douche, banshee

liveless (Oct 3, 2008 at 6:23)

Total agree... Marzocchi quality has dropped ever since 2003... Once they we're good, but they can't hold the standard forever...

ryan-irvine (Sep 28, 2008 at 15:30)

its cool?

Below threshold threads are hidden

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bansheeripper (Sep 28, 2008 at 12:19)

WAIT A MINUTE!!! You're telling me, that fork has the full name on the stanchion, even though, half of it's covered up?!!!!! What the hell is the point of that???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nouser (Sep 28, 2008 at 16:55)

the other half is on the lowsers too

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bansheeripper (Sep 28, 2008 at 17:18) (Below Threshold)

No? REALLY? That's not the point!

Then again, why do I even make a point? It's just a P.O.S. Crockshox!

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more45 (Sep 30, 2008 at 10:05)

if boxxer was crap no one would ride them

dixn (Sep 30, 2008 at 12:41)

very true and since you dont own a major brand suspention company be quiet.
i think its a nice little feature

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bansheeripper (Sep 30, 2008 at 17:04) (Below Threshold)

Hey sammo, wouldn't that then mean that because people ride huffy's with rst's, that they're not crap? DUH just bcuz people pay for it, don't make it good!

Besides, have you not seen the dozens of picture of boxxers snapped in half?

Maybe not for you, but to me a fork that fails that badly that often, is a CROK!

Either way, you ride what P.O.S. you want, and I'll stick w/the best(FOX/MARZOCCHI)!

more45 (Oct 1, 2008 at 14:27)

marz are VERY cheaply built and there customer service is very poor the same goes for fox. after working in a shop i see more issues with new commers like your self bring in there marz/fox products all messed.

if you want fine race inspired adjustments you ride a boxxer. yes technicly marz is lower matance then a boxxer (that doesnt count for fox) but the work needed to keep the boxxer in 100% working order is nothing. people who are total hacks like yourself do not have an understanding the meaning of fine adjustment and proper set up.

boxxers snaped in half? the last dramatic boxxer failure like that (that ive seen) was an 05 model. since the refinment of the casting and motion control the boxxer has been a great sucess and has out sold both marz(888 series) and fox(40 series). manitou is out of the question for sure as they crash there business.

case closed
goodday

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bansheeripper (Oct 1, 2008 at 15:37) (Below Threshold)

NEW COMMER...? Get real! I been riding mountain bike(of the higher-end) for ten years now! I was one of the first to get the Judy100(their first 4" S-C), and that thing and all the other CROKSHOX I've owned were P.O.S. 6" MECHANICAL disk brake, left lowwer tube, snapped in half just above the mount!

Meanwhile, I've had '00 Z1-CR, '01 Z3-QR20, '02 Monster-t, '01 Jr-t, '03 Z1-FR, '03 DJ1, and '05 66RC. And only one prob(not even my prob), a blown Compression, cartidge on the Z1-CR, And ever though I bought it USED, they replaced it for FREE!!! The some awesome customer service in my book, got me hook on that brand!

Also, just got my first FOX forx(the f-80X at that), and not experieced a single problem that everyone complains of with these!

You say Marzocchi is made cheap, yet up to a few years ago, CROKSHOX was still using PLASTIC top-cap/ajuster knobs! Marzocchi, has been using metal caps/knobs, for more than the ten years I been riding on them! CROKSHOX was stuck on elastomers, while Marzocci was using open oil bath cartridges with coil-springs! I thing these two fact are enough to prove who the CHEAPO is!

Alls I say is "the proof is in the experience"! You can believe what the tabloids and other people say, or you can experience it for yourself!

Also, you question "Boxxers snapped in half?", well appearently you haven't looked through the "Broken Bikes" photo section too much!

more45 (Oct 1, 2008 at 17:31)

- incorrect set up leads to failure
- marz casting are poor quality
- some rockshox flood gates leak
- marz ata and WC damping units are held together with a peice of string (info via marz canada)
- boxxers need rebuilds according to factory spec's very frequently..if you look at the new marz line up they require the same attention

if all these products where as bad as we claim none of them would still be forsale

get off your soap box america... get off the soap box

nouser (Oct 1, 2008 at 17:46)

sammo i agree with it all... except the lat part hes one american dont make comments that involve the rest of us.

if the fork leaks get some aftermarket seals and fix that easily; enduro seals are much better then the stock seals and cost about the same.

as for Marz. i rode a 66 at northstar and it felt like crap. my fiend has a 888 WC it feels like shit, when you compress it its steps threw the travel

if you ride, you fork will get used and your going to have to change the oil/rebuild it. if you dont like that then dont ride you bike hard and you will not wear out parts.

chochocho (Oct 15, 2008 at 15:31)

well..arnt the snapped boxxers lately just from really bad cases? it couldve happened to any fork..or head tube..w.e. you guys prefer

bansheeripper (Oct 15, 2008 at 20:41) (Below Threshold)

Any fork huh...?

I guarrenty you whatever snapped a boxxer, put a monster-t to the same exact situation, and it would hold up just fine!

chochocho (Oct 15, 2008 at 21:29)

well..except for the monsters..they're so nasty (in a crazy heavy good kind of way) lol..but then again..who would really use a monster for DH? except for FR stuff?

nouser (Oct 16, 2008 at 17:05)

yeah the monster wouldn't break but if you hit really hard it might rip the head tube off

bansheeripper (Oct 16, 2008 at 17:36) (Below Threshold)

Exactly! Most frames would fail before the monster, and the boxxer would fail before most frames(after all, you don't see many frame with snapped head-tubes with boxxers on them)!

chochocho (Oct 16, 2008 at 18:52)

yea..so thats why im planning to get a boxxer race..even though it totally goes against what u said and stuff but i found one really cheap..and i would rather have the fork break than my headtube..and besides..those people who broke ther boxxer probably either was riding very hard, cased a landing, or some stupid idiots who decide to stick freggin boxxers on a hardtail!

bansheeripper (Oct 17, 2008 at 9:19) (Below Threshold)

well see, with me riding a banshee, I would rather the head-tube break, as they have a ten year warrenty(most forks only have a one year). Banshee's also determined to protect their reputation, so a warrenty would be easy to get from them(As where most fork companies would be anal about a warrenty for their fork snapped completely in half)!

Just my

chochocho (Oct 17, 2008 at 15:49)

yea but specialized doesnt have a 10 year warrenty..and banshee's bikes r soo awesome..they know that their bikes won't break..lol what fork do you use at the moment?

bansheeripper (Oct 18, 2008 at 11:17) (Below Threshold)

'05 66RC. The best fork I've owned yet, and the only stronger on e I've owned was an '02 Monster-t.

chochocho (Oct 18, 2008 at 11:34)

thats awesome..ive always wanted the 07 888's but theyre all out know..before i got my bighit they were crazy cheap and was everywhere online..but now its just the 08 888's which is stuff i cant afford..except for the boxxer race..ive always like the 07 888 better than the 08 for some reason..never really like the beefier stancions..

bansheeripper (Oct 18, 2008 at 12:06) (Below Threshold)

Yeah, I wouldn't have minded the newwer beefier structure, but I like the simple rebound/compression ajustments of the '05, and I'm not a fan of the new white forks with the crazy decals/silver stanchions.

chochocho (Oct 18, 2008 at 18:35)

i liked the pure and simple 888 logo on the 06 07's but if i had the chance i would get the new ones..cuz theyre stronger than the boxxers..

ridesanoldskool (Sep 13, 2009 at 19:47)

banshee ripper you suck ass anyway