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2011 Ellsworth proto slopestyle
Photo 9 of 10
Bikes - DH
Aug 30, 2010 at 19:55
Aug 30, 2010
San Diego, California, United States
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(Aug 30, 2010 at 21:04)
The suspension always stays active and the bike pedals really. Its super fun and lively to ride where as a VPP bike feels dead to me.
(Sep 2, 2010 at 16:20)
Well you're the minority with that claim. Most people seem to love the VPP. I myself have owned two Blur 4Xs, a regular Nomad 2, and I now have a Nomad C, and I find the suspension to be nigh perfect for all applications.
I'm not saying ICT *cough* fsr *cough* isn't a nice suspension design, but I think that VPP is head and shoulders better for all types of riding.
(Sep 2, 2010 at 16:47)
Thats fine that you think VPP is better but you offer no reason as to why. You only made really broad generalizations and used phrases like "most people" If you are going to make that claim please back it up with fact. I have a ton of time on a VPP bike and speak from my experiences. Also if you want to look @ power transfer no suspension design is more efficient thats why Ellsworth has the ICT patent
(Sep 2, 2010 at 21:44)
"I myself have owned two Blur 4Xs, a regular Nomad 2, and I now have a Nomad C, and I find the suspension to be nigh perfect for all applications."
Remember that part?
I've owned 46 bikes in the past 12 years, and the VPP bikes have been by far the most efficient for pedaling up, riding down, and cruising on flowing single track. This is my
(Sep 3, 2010 at 7:44)
How is it "head and shoulders better" than anything else? What makes VPP so much better than ICT or FSR? Do you think more pivots, more bolts and more places for flex to occur make it better?
(Sep 3, 2010 at 10:32)
Are you implying that the rear end of a VPP flexes more than an FSR? Because you'd be incorrect. The fact that all of the pivots on the VPP are close together makes it so the rear end is far stiffer than any system that has a pivot near the rear axle. That's the main reason why Santa Cruz says you don't need a through axle or bolt-on rear wheel with their new Nomad C.
(Sep 3, 2010 at 20:36)
You are right the nomad doesnt need a bolt on rear wheel because the wheel sits in a fixed rear triangle. The flex will occur within the links between the front triangle and the rear triangle as the bearings wear. The bike will also become quite loud. VPP bikes do eat bumps like crazy and if you swear by it, cool. Im just not into it at all
(Sep 4, 2010 at 0:42)
As the bearings wear, you replace them. It's pretty simple. My VPP bikes never experienced any flex in the rear ends because I always stayed on top of the service, being a mechanic and all.
(Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20)
There is a reason they dont change their design. It works well!
(Nov 4, 2010 at 18:08)
Interesting read. You must work for Tony...
(Nov 4, 2010 at 21:51)
not at all actually
(Aug 30, 2010 at 20:38)
I still have a hard time getting over the rear box triangle. I'm sure it'll be a sick ride.
(Aug 30, 2010 at 20:33)
Is that going into production? Because its Yummy!
(Aug 30, 2010 at 20:35)
top secret info, sorry
(Aug 30, 2010 at 20:20)
(Aug 30, 2010 at 20:36)
thanks, this is number 1 of 1 haha
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