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- May 19, 2011 at 2:04May 19, 2011
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Ramsar, Iran
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kbakes
(May 19, 2011 at 18:24)
That's slightly overkill.
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FUCK ME SIDEWAYS 0.o thats ridonculous !
imagine if the skilift was broken fuckkkkk pushing that up the hill lol
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actually hes proberbly seen loads seing as there just standard 28" 700c wheels :L they just name it a 29er because they put tires with ridiculously high sidewalls on them lol
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having 2 shocks lets you fine tune the suspension more.
they used similar set ups on some MX bikes a while back too
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Or you buy the double barrel? Two shocks makes it much more difficult to fine tune. In MX for practice, the top boys can run a bike round a track, plug it into a computer and be told what setup exactly is needed. In free-riding, this is not a common luxury. Also, who needs a finely tuned shock for hucking; just turn the rebound down...
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its because of the crazy leverage ratio, and putting the right weight spring on just one shock on this bike would put a TON of stress on the little plates. therefore, two shocks with lighter springs and therefore twice the strength. good idea . . . if you are dead set on this type of suspension . . . and 14" of travel!
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The shock plates would still be able to take it. And that also depends on the length of shock used... Because my Ellsworth is 9" by 2.75" giving a ratio of 3.3:1. If it were a 3 inch stroke it would be 4.5:1... this increase would not be enough to destroy shock plates. Although, saying you have two shocks is kinda pimp 
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true, but still, a 4:1 leverage ratio is crazy, especially for a bike thats gonna be blowing through its travel extremely harshly (this is what hucking does to suspension, as we all know) so . . . why not make it safer. besides, a 4:1 leverage ratio is outside of fox's acceptable warranty range. so they must also figure it cant be good for a shock . . . just saying
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whatever, who cares . . . it looks cool and no one rides these anyways. so why argue about it??? lol
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sorry everyone . . . i lied. its NOT a 4:1 leverage ratio . . . its a 4.3:1 leverage ratio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Elchris123, you make a good point. I hadn't realized that that was the case with Fox shox, and obviously there is a reason for that. I actually appreciate it when someone has a reasonable argument on Pinkbike like this 
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However, 'Bike-person' you obviously have no idea about suspension builds such as the 'ICT' patented rear end that all Ellsworths have, making it the benchmark for all other bikes and making it one of the most pedal efficient bikes in the world.... The only thing they have in common is they're bikes with suspension at the front and rear and run an RC 4.. Other than that it's a different ball game.
Christy
.However, 'Bike-person' you obviously have no idea about suspension builds such as the 'ICT' patented rear end that all Ellsworths have, making it the benchmark for all other bikes and making it one of the most pedal efficient bikes in the world.... The only thing they have in common is they're bikes with suspension at the front and rear and run an RC 4.. Other than that it's a different ball game.
Christy
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Apologies buddy, I miss-read your first comment, twice. Sorry! I thought you said the frames were alike, sorry for that mate!
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@downhill christy top mx riders plug there ecu in the computers but you cannot plug a shock into a computer! 
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That's kinda irrelevant, but you're right, you can't. However K9 and other suspension tuning companies provide a service whereby they measure all the fork, shock, bar and frame movement throughout a track and follow it on GPS to get you the perfect system. It is a bit over-sized and fidgety, but it works. Although, from what I've overheard, plugging in shock might be just round the corner; look at Fox's new electronic shock pump for setting sag and recording set up. Honda had a cheeky set-up in 07 like the MX guys, but that's all hush hush.
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I love how its in the album : XC RIDING
.....what do they use for DH? lol... img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_03/1MassiveBikeSOL_800x530.jpg
.....what do they use for DH? lol... img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_03/1MassiveBikeSOL_800x530.jpg
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i hope he comes back to kamloops for another shot at the JAH drop! here in kamloops that is what it is called not JAW..would be fun to try even a 10 footer on that thing just to see how it handles
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wow, a super monster t(12 inch travel fork) with two fox, what appear to be 9 inch travel fox shocks. that outrageous. and is it seriously josh bender's new bike? cause if it is, i hope you tries the jaw drop on it. looks a lot better than the bike he rode, in i think nwd 2, when he hit the jaw drop.
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Looks great and thats it ! i have Mountain Cycle San Andreas and its heavy , this bike is like Moto Cross bike
- 6 31
12 inches in the front and i believe 16 inches in the back when you combine the the two rear shocks
- 49 2
"combine the two rear shocks" what the hell does that have to do with the rear travel, it ain't going to double
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well if you have one shock it takes the entire load of an impact correct? so if you have two they'll each take part of the load. and if this is Benders new bike this might help him land the jaw drop in BC. but if not its just for show lol
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yes and no, if you put one shock infront of the other it world be 16 inches eye to eye correct?
but lets say you did a drop to flat and bottom out one shock so thats 8 inches of travel used, but if you had two shock side by side and you did the same drop to flat you would not bottom it out because you have to forms of resistance instead of one, so instead of 8 inches being used on one shock you'd have 4 inches of travel being used on BOTH shocks, so still 8 inches of travel is being used but you still have another 8 inches left from the shocks (4 inches of travel left on each shock). make sense?
so physically it is increasing the travel.
but lets say you did a drop to flat and bottom out one shock so thats 8 inches of travel used, but if you had two shock side by side and you did the same drop to flat you would not bottom it out because you have to forms of resistance instead of one, so instead of 8 inches being used on one shock you'd have 4 inches of travel being used on BOTH shocks, so still 8 inches of travel is being used but you still have another 8 inches left from the shocks (4 inches of travel left on each shock). make sense?
so physically it is increasing the travel.
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lol
Having two shocks side by side does not increase travel. Travel is the distance that the rear axle moves. Having two shocks just makes it possible to run a stiffer suspension set up and distribute the forces of the impact more, meaning your less likely to damage your shock.
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it will make the shocks use up the travel less easily, but the travel is how far the shock can move
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Oops...I didn't realize brewer22's comment got posted right before mine. My "^^^false" was for the dumb explanation made by RockyMountainRMX
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brewer22 is right, the travel is how much your rear axle moves, the shock is just there to soften it as it moves and control how fast it moves. putting the 2 shocks will not increase the travel at all, just make it a lot stiffer and ad a lot of weight. lets say for example we adapted my lucky 7 (7 inch travel bike) to fit two rear shocks, whether they are in front and back of eachother(which is impossible without a custom built frame) or side by side, the frame can still only travel 7 inches, so since they wouldnt fit in front and back of eachother, you would have to put them side by side. so put two 7 inch travel shocks, such as my van r, next to eachother, and bolt them on to the lucky 7 frame with the new wider pivot points to accomodate the 2 side by side shocks. the frame still will only have 7 inches to move back and forth, just it will move a lot less per weight per square inch. so basically when josh hits a big drop, he can land and use a lot less of his travel, cause the normal resistance of a single shock is doubled, but, he will still only have 9 inches(or 8, not sure how much travel the frame has).
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So its akin to putting a fork on the rear in that he will have 2 stanchions and in effect a LOT of ways to setup it due to each combo he could have per shock.
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@cyfa89, in a way yes, in a way no, a fork actually travels the the full distance that the stanchion is, whereas the rear moves based on where the pivots are and how far back the rear wheel is. but yes, you could possibly do a few different combinations, but im not sure how well that would perform with 2 differently setup shocks right next to eachother, it might make it uneven and possible bend your stay or linkarm.
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Yeah i meant similar to a fork, in that the shock still has a stanchion and travels whatever it is designed to (along with consideration for the frame).
Could go wrong but i presume that theyre close enough to act in unison and thus act as 'one' shock.
Like my stratos fork, has 3 springs in each leg for tuning. If you ran a hard spring in the middle on one side and a mid on the other you get a different result etc. for each setup. Should be made sttrong enough i would have thought.
Could go wrong but i presume that theyre close enough to act in unison and thus act as 'one' shock.
Like my stratos fork, has 3 springs in each leg for tuning. If you ran a hard spring in the middle on one side and a mid on the other you get a different result etc. for each setup. Should be made sttrong enough i would have thought.
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what a bag of shite. i like new concepts but this is just getting ridiculos top band manufacturers have already proved you dont need stupid bikes like this to go big or to ride dh. what ever happened to the good old days 1.5 inch of travel abag with some soggy sandwichs and a helmet that bareley fits.i cant see this being riden to the shops let alone cross country riding. ovekill comes to mind oh and the guy who invented it is abit of an attention seeker. nout wrong with a good old hardtil beneath you and 120mm of travel up front 10ft pah try 100ft. bender can keep his bag of bolts im happy with my santacruz jackal
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3.0 wide. Duro makes that specific tread pattern in three different compounds. They also manufacture them for Arrow Racing (who just re-brands them)
