Spēd Precision Maul TR Wheels - Review

Jul 19, 2017 at 16:50
by AJ Barlas  
Sp d Precision Maul TR Wheels

Spēd Precision is a new player in the ever-growing carbon wheel market and we first showed you their product at Sea Otter this year. The US-based brand has set out to create carbon wheels for most dirt disciplines; DH, trail/enduro, XC, and Cyclocross, and have taken some different approaches in hopes of creating something that is durable and retains good trail manners. To this end, Spēd has done a number of things slightly different to the modern day norm with the goal of servicing a portion of the market where there is a bit more of a value proposition. Did it work in the real world? We find out.
Maul TR Wheel Details

• Six double-stepped pawls, 42t drive ring
• Bead hook design
• Angled tire bed
• Directional, reinforced spoke nipple interface
• 28 spoke (front and rear)
• 28mm internal rim width
• Weight: 1,775g
• MSRP: $1,750 USD
spedprecision.com

One of the most apparent differences from the current trends in wheels is the choice to retain the bead hook, with Spēd claiming that they were able to make the wheels as strong as those without bead hooks, while also claiming that it allowed them to make sure the tires remain seated. To add to this they also built the rim bed with a four-degree angle from the center to the sidewall.

Another immediately noticeable attribute to the Maul TR wheels is the lower profile than many other carbon hoops. The brand wanted to avoid the extra surface area that can be damaged, even punctured, by strikes from rocks and trail debris. They also claim that moving away from the tall sidewall enabled them to focus the carbon layup and possibly generate a stronger surface and rim.

The attention to detail shows in the interface between the rims and the nipples.
The attention to detail shows in the directional, reinforced spoke nipple interface between the rims and the nipples. Note the lower profile than other carbon rims too.

The rim profile on the Maul TR wheels is the same as their Maul DH, but the layup between the two varies slightly. The layup on the TR wheels is a little less robust given that a DH rider is more-often going to put a lot more abuse to their wheels than a trail rider. That said, Spēd is quick to note that the TR wheelset is ready for the abuse of Enduro racing. The wheels are also designed to work with 2.3–2.4-inch tires, with the brand claiming to work with a number of key tire manufacturers in order to produce a wheel that provided users with what they feel is an optimal tire profile, for the most popular tires being sold in this category.

Something that is not noticeable by looking at them is their weight, and while some expect carbon products to weigh less, there are more brands utilizing the material for the tunability that it provides and that is the case with the Maul TR. At 1,775g these aren't the lightest wheels out there, but the brand is quick to note that they focused on ride quality first, then weight second. This is also the reason they chose 28 spokes rather than 32, noting that more spokes made the wheel too stiff and negatively affected the ride quality that they were seeking.


Performance

The Maul TR wheels tested here are of the 142x12 and 100x15 variety. They were setup tubeless with a set of e*thirteen’s TRS tires, which measure in at 2.35, and thrown on my 155mm travel Transition Patrol. I’ve been riding these wheels for a couple of months now and they’ve seen everything from casual rides to more aggressive steep and chunky days and even ended up staying on for a great week riding blind on the rowdy trails of the Trans B.C. Enduro.

Sp d Precision Maul TR rear hub in the 12 x 142 configuration.
The Maul TR rear hub in the 142x12 configuration.
Sp d Precision Maul TR wheel front hub in the 100 x 15 configuration.
Maul TR front hub in the 100x15 configuration and the well finished rotor interface.

Carbon wheels are an interesting thing for me, with many brands pushing for a stiffer is always better ideal with their hoops. With Spēd being a new brand we literally had no idea what to expect and I was pleasantly surprised to find the wheels well mannered on the trails, while still providing adequate snap out of corners or compressions. Having a wheelset that doesn’t turn you into a pinball down trails like the often moist and rooty ones of Coastal B.C. is something that is often overlooked in the hunt for “stiffer is better”.

That’s not to say that the Spēd Maul TR wheels aren’t stiff, but rather, they’re just about right. Their trail manners are great in a number of situations with a good balance between flex and stiffness. They provide that great carbon feel in the rough, snap out of corners, and stay on a line with minimal effort. They won’t snap out of a turn like some of the stiffer wheels out there, but they will keep a line far better and provide a much more comfortable and controlled ride.

The Maul TR rims and Maul DH feature a 4-degree slop to the rim bed and a bead hook.
The Maul TR rims (and Maul DH) feature a 4-degree slope to the rim bed and a bead hook.

Having busted a number of carbon wheels over the years, I am happy to report that the Maul TR’s made it through unscathed. The most damage is a couple of chips to the outer coating on the rims, which is completely normal for any wheel that is subjected to rocky terrain; carbon or alloy. The tires have bottomed to the rim on many occasions, some due to sloppy riding, others thanks to unexpected snipers in the ground, and all is well. There are no signs of cracks or delamination in the rim.

Being the first rims in some time to feature a bead hook, I’m now left somewhat curious why so many brands are moving so quickly away from it. Perhaps some folks don't have issues, but all of the hookless rims I've ridden have burped at some point or another. Normally my tires are set to about 21psi front and 24–25psi in the rear and I am yet to burp a tire with the Maul TR wheels. Even with pressures lower than this—nothing. These and a set of alloy wheels I own (Easton Arc on DT hubs) are the only wheels that have yet to burp on me and they’re the only wheels ridden in recent times that have bead hooks…

Sp d Precision Maul TR


Pinkbike’s Take:

bigquotesSpēd Precision’s Maul TR wheels are up there in price at $1,750 USD, and while some can be found/built cheaper, they often don’t include the quality control that I've found in these—to get the same quality in finish and ride, you would have to shell out even more.

These are a well thought out wheel and it shows in how they perform on the trail. The hubs have a good amount of engagement, the wheels provide a great ride and they are standing the test of time. If you are looking into carbon wheels at this price-range or higher, it would be remiss to not have the Spēd Maul TR’s on the list.
AJ Barlas



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  • 31 1
 So.....around $1800 for 1800 gram wheels that ride "just right"?

For $500-800 less, you could buy (prebuilt or have a local wrench lace 'em) a sturdy wheelset with aluminum rims with comparable weight, durability and ride quality. And......you could get DT 350 hubs instead of the Joytech or other less durable Asian junk laced into the center of these (yeah, yeah they claim to have their own hub design, but I doubt the pawls, springs and drive ring are as robust as DT, I9, or King driver assemblies).

For example, Dt 350 Centerlocks, 32 light spokes (say, DT Comp race front, Comp race non-drive and Comp drive side), alloy nipples and some decent 500 gram rims will get you there (weight and strength-wise)-at around $800 (including an upgraded, higher tooth count driver).

I don't outright dismiss carbon as a rim material-done right it can be stronger and lighter than a comparable aluminum rim. That said, most carbon rims are too harsh riding or don't offer any notable weight advantage, and the replacement cost is steep. Sorry Sped, but you bring nothing to the table but a high price tag for an unimpressive product.
  • 17 7
 When I say they ride "just right", I mean they don't provide the harsh ride that you are complaining about from carbon wheels (I hear ya, that shit sucks). My alloy wheels mentioned in the review, which are my favourite alloy wheelset, still don't offer the trail manners that the Spēd wheels do, and they cost around $1,100 USD with the upgraded driver, handbuilt in Bellingham. The fact is, these carbon wheels do bring something to the table that many others I've ridden don't and that's a great feel on the trail (and they haven't cracked yet, where others have by this point). I hear ya though, if you want lighter hoops, these aren't it
  • 16 19
 @AJBarlas: Probably should have articulated that in the review instead of the comments.
  • 20 3
 @TerrapinBen: lots do read the comments. I for one appreciate the reviewer's feedback
  • 7 0
 Seriously, you can get a set of spank oozy wheels for like 450$ if you do some searching, and I cant see any major downsides to them vs these
  • 27 1
 How about Hope Pro 4 hubs laced to Stan's Flow MKIII rims using DT-Swiss super comp spokes for $512?
That leaves me with more than $1k to spend on hookers and coke.
  • 4 0
 @leelau: Obviously, I too read the comments. I was more speaking to the fact that the review is pretty vague and general for a long term review. Good to know the wheels are durable, but beyond that there wasn't much info about the product that I couldn't have gathered from the manufacturers website. Without the comparison AJ made in the comments section, it's hard to take "just right" as anything more than benevolent filler fluff written just to say something about a new product in a over saturated market. I think everyone appreciates the reviewers first hand feedback, and actually expects that experienced feedback to be included in a long term product review It's good to read personal bias and comparisons to similar favorite products for a component at this price point. Perhaps the comment are the appropriate venue for that sort of discussion and information. What do I know?
  • 3 0
 @AJBarlas: Hey I just noticed that you may want to stipulate what diameter wheel you are actually reviewing next time.... There is no mention if these are 27.5 or 29 or if they are available in both diameters ect.
Its a pretty critical piece of information.
  • 2 3
 @smokenhq: Tested on a Transition Patrol. Pretty obvious what diameter was tested.
  • 2 14
flag Ryanrobinson1984 (Jul 25, 2017 at 10:52) (Below Threshold)
 @TerrapinBen: hey, go eat a big pile of shit, Ben. I'm getting goddamn tired of all of this negativity. If you guys don't have anything nice to say, or something that requires more than two neurons firing, then don't say anything at all.
  • 3 3
 @smokenhq: Good catch, though I did note the bike, which is very well known and only fits 27.5" wheels. Thanks.
  • 3 6
 I apologize about that. That was way over the top now that I think about it. Sorry Ben....I agree
  • 4 1
 @Ryanrobinson1984: No hard feelings, bub. Who takes the internet seriously anyways? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • 2 5
 @TerrapinBen: haha, I totally wasn't getting that angry, I like to f*ck around but people can't tell through internet writing. Ride safe out there, Ben. Again, my apologies
  • 4 0
 @abzillah: Yes hookers don't care about carbon rims but they do like a bit of cola though Smile
  • 3 3
 @abzillah: those be some cheap hookers and low quality coke for only 1k.
  • 1 0
 @AJBarlas: I figured that's what you meant. And I stand by my point: if I can build up a set of wheels that weigh the same, ride well and can hold up to heavy use for half the price (with a $100 or so rim replacement cost), what's the point?

I get that the cost of good carbon (layup schedule, good qc etc.) is expensive and adds cost to a wheelset. However, there should be more tangible benefit to justify the price premium. Any wheelset at over $1500 retail shouldn't just be really good, it should match (or raise) the bar for performance.

I may be jaded because I can (and do) build my own wheels, but the quality of rims, spokes, and hubs today is astonishing (esp. compared to 20 years ago). Also, if Fanatik is charging $1100 for a decent alloy rim wheelset, it had better have King or i9 hubs!!
  • 1 0
 @abzillah: Hahaha! A man after my own heart!
  • 95 65
 Same garbage in every review and how the wheelmakers try to explain why their $2000 are so different and special compared to all other $2000 wheel sets out there. What a joke...
  • 167 47
 Piss off. The review says something like "if you're in the market for a wheelset at this price range"

If you're not, move along and stfu about it. Enjoy the amazing free content or take your whining elsewhere.
  • 14 3
 @maxlombardy: seriously though. If you want cheaper wheels that's fine, no one will knock you, but I don't understand everyone whining about the cost of these. They are a high end wheel, with a high end price tag.

Seems pretty normal and understandable to me! I've spent a lot of time on these wheels right after riding a set of Reynolds and Enve M60's. Those two brands are even pricier than the Spēd Precision’s Maul TR's and I preferred the Mauls in every way. Actually for the ride and strength achieved, they are pretty damn competitive in the marketplace.
  • 30 4
 we need a review about where our money goes when we spent 2000$ for wheels ....
  • 21 6
 if only there was a carbon rim brand that was 100% made in Canada.
  • 44 2
 @MisterJones:

Actually this is a good idea. We are trying (slowly) to put together a short video story on the development of our rims. Design, testing, lab breakage etc. With so many off the shelf cookie cutter rims available online and direct from every corner carbon shop in Asia, we feel the story needs to be told on what the real difference is. I agree that most of these rims look exactly the same. Under the matte black paint the end user has no idea what they are getting. I can promise you the price tag is inline with the regular margins that the bike industry operates on. A great deal of the price comes in the labor it takes to lay up a carbon rim. Depending on the layup there can be upwards of 50-75 pieces of precisely cut fiber that needs to placed accurately in the mold for each rim. So building a carbon rim with the intent of creating a tuned ride is quite time consuming. Doing it consistently for each piece takes a lot of time and training for the person laying the pieces together. We take the time to make sure each one is done right. To the extent of sometimes only making 10-12 rims per day.
  • 4 6
 @maxlombardy: He said they're not really different from every other wheel out there. You said they're only intended for rich people.

How is what you said a counter argument to what he said in any way?
  • 2 23
flag abzillah (Jul 25, 2017 at 9:44) (Below Threshold)
 @rmx1: Seriously though. "The US-based brand has set out to create carbon wheels for most dirt disciplines; DH, trail/enduro, XC, and Cyclocross" and the internal width is 28mm. The only thing these wheels will be good for is Road Cycling.
  • 4 6
 @MisterJones: much of that depends on where the company is located. Hopefully most goes back to the investors and hopefully a profit, but if your ina high taxation state then moat likley most goes to gov.waste.com
  • 3 0
 @maxlombardy: Well put my guy
  • 30 2
 @WaterBear: that's not remotely what was said. He said the review was garbage, a joke. I said it's free, if you don't like it then move on.

On a side note, I absolutely do not believe that expensive bike parts are only for rich people. I make a modest hourly wage and live within my means. My bike is also probably the most expensive thing I own besides my house. That's what I prioritize, and I don't harbor any hard feelings toward companies that charge exorbitant fees for their products. I don't ride enve wheels because I can't personally justify the price. I also don't go complaining about editors whose impressions I willingly read in a free online media. There's a lot to like about pinkbike and while I definitely don't agree with everything written here I take the good with the bad. I like reading about shit I would never buy, I think it's interesting.
  • 10 0
 @abzillah: believe it or not, not everybody wants fist-sized rims. These seem to be a very good option for those who run 2.3 tires.
  • 3 0
 @jrocksdh: Well said. Profits are absolutely necessary for the sport. Profit attracts new players to new markets, which drives down costs in the long run and fund R&D making all of our bikes better. Profit attracts better engineers, scientists, and manufacturing.
  • 1 2
 @MisterJones: rmx1 doesn't want to know where his $2000 goes oops I mean $3000...he'd be pissed that it's marketing...oh and that one engineer.
  • 1 10
flag Ryanrobinson1984 (Jul 25, 2017 at 10:45) (Below Threshold)
 @SpedPrecision: f*ck yes!!! I would be interested in a video for sure. Also, is there any way that I could get a set of these for $1000.00? Please? Is there any way that you could give me a deal like that??
  • 2 11
flag Ryanrobinson1984 (Jul 25, 2017 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: I'm being for serious though- how did you reach that asswipe of a conclusion. Next time you wipe your ass, take a look down at the tissue, and that is basically your mirror.
  • 2 0
 @nicolai12: Actually I know exactly where the money goes and it isn't to a few people. If you think making a high end carbon rim is cheap think again!

Im not saying they are for everyone either. For most a set of light bicycle wheels is more than enough and is far more cost effective. Those are aren't made with the care and detail that these wheels are, but they do a damn good job. They definitely don't ride as nicely though. For people that want to spend the cash to buy the best, there are some great options.
  • 1 10
flag Ryanrobinson1984 (Jul 25, 2017 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 @maxlombardy: piss on your own head, Maximilian
  • 6 3
 @WayneParsons: Hmm, if only.



Hey - what about weareonecomposites.com?


OMG non off shored carbon manufacturing. And at a competitive price? Unpossible.
  • 8 0
 Y'all are arguing about the price and somehow overlooked this fun nugget-

"The Maul TR wheels tested here are of the 142x12 and 100x15 variety... not to say that the Spēd Maul TR wheels aren’t stiff, but rather, they’re just about right."

So what you're saying is the old hub standard feels just right...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
  • 5 0
 @Ryanrobinson1984:

We are gathering video on all our travels. Whether its to our factory, to a local or WC race to work with our athletes or just BS talk on the local trails on our daily rides. Ideally we would like to put it all together to show how it all comes about. Its a real project..but its a slow project and honestly gets worked on after all the other tasks are done for the day.

While we would love to be able to offer you a set at $1000... its just not feasible and be able to run a business. We do have some sets allocated to marketing and R and D. We also are currently setting up ambassador deals for some deserving folks. You can always throw your hat in the ring for that by shooting us an email from our site. Tell us about yourself...
  • 10 3
 @WayneParsons: you need some new material Wayne. Getting kinda bored with your same comment in almost every wheel review of your competitors. Why not just post a link to your site each time as well? Or maybe kick in a few more advertising dollars to Pinkbike and they will make you a banner page?
  • 2 1
 @maxlombardy: "If you are looking into carbon wheels at this price-range or higher," OMG, or higher please! How much am I able to pay for a wheel? next one's going to cut pizza, and fly to space for me. I'm on this wheel trip!
  • 5 1
 Meanwhile pros are riding 25mm internal width alloy wheels, a similar set you can buy for $500 delivered to your door. Carbon just seems like a wholly unnecessary aspect to the sport imo, lighter parts that aren't really much, if at all lighter, stiffer parts that snap all the time, all at 3...4...5x the price.
  • 1 0
 @nouseforaname: I'm seeing $1650 USD for a wheel set from WeAreOne... That's $100 less, am I missing something?
  • 2 0
 @snowwcold55: bead hooks. You are missing bead hooks.
  • 3 2
 Im just curious why Light Bicycle rims are well under $800 and have awesome reveiws and you guys can rape us for an extra $1200 and Enve can rape us even more so? Im definitely getting some LB rims when my rims pooch!!
  • 2 0
 @maxlombardy: i love you
  • 4 0
 @SpedPrecision
I think a potty mouth,abusive speaking forum guy is not a future ambassador for your wheels. Probably best his hat stays on his stupid head.
  • 1 1
 @jrocksdh: I really do not understand your hatred towards governments and the constant bashing of expenses. Restrictions on what you can buy as a gov employee is so harsh sometimes that one soon has to bring Ines own toilet paper. Compare this to the purks you get working at a tech company. Guess where the money for this purks come from. Yes, your wallet. So you are happy to subsidies the purks of a private company but just imagine a gov employee wants a cup of coffee during working hours.
It's the same stupid argument people have about the sales tax the US adds. Add it to the price. You don't see other costs added separately either. "Oh, this milk is for free, but you have to add the costs the damn farmer wants for having to cows and the people delivering it to us. Otherwise, it would be for free." Doesn't happen. It is just there to get people upset.
  • 1 0
 @mitochris: some govs are pro business and many are not. I only dislike those that are not.
  • 1 1
 @mhoshal: Light Bicycle and Nextie do have great products, and killer values, but their quality control isn't nearly as good. They fail often, not from a bad design but from too many lemons making it out of production and out to market. Since their QC is much lower they can sell for less.
  • 3 0
 @mhoshal: A light bicycle wheel rolls, works, and is decently light, but I can assure you that they aren't half as nice as an Enve or the Maul DH in this review. Little things like layup, resin and the subtlest changes in carbon weave orientation are what separate a good wheel from a truly great one. People don't realize how labor intensive a good high quality carbon product is to make, and because of that they don't understand why they are so expensive.
  • 1 1
 @jrocksdh: I accept that, but I actually do not think there are many governments that are anti business. There might be different interpretations what businesses should and should not be allowed to do, and I personally think there should be some regulations on what businesses can and cannot do, as we otherwise would still be having 18h shifts with no breaks, but I understand that this is part of the public debate. But going damn straight out that governments are evil is wrong and doesn't help.
  • 1 0
 @mitochris: the 'without government, we would still be working 18 hour shifts' is not accurate. The 8 hour work day came from Henry Ford and others
  • 2 0
 @mitochris: you speak of individual liberty. Gov limits my ability(liberty) to make money(a living how i choose) bc they tell my employer i cant work 18 hr straight if we(employer/employee) wanted to. And now look what happened 7/26/17...7 "republicans" voted against repealing obamacare.
  • 2 0
 The great thing about this absolute boat load of companies popping up and selling cheap made in China carbon wheels for ridiculously exorbitant prices, is that they are going to continue to over produce past the point at which all the idiots have shelled out $2000 for a pair. The market will be flooded, and then all the less well healed people who desire them might be able to get them for what they are actually worth (and by that I mean $600). The constantly changing hub standards will only serve to increase the discounts on closeout deals.
  • 3 0
 Sorry, what am I talking about? These are not cheap made in China rims. They are much better than those. Really better, like carbon. Really better quality control and like, post production checked and stuff. Makes them ride totally differently. Like, you can really tell the difference in ride feel. Especially with those 160mm of suspension travel and those 2.6" tyres pumped up to 19psi. Yeah, I'm totally sold on all that QC. I'm going to get some on Saturday.
  • 2 1
 @jrocksdh: The gov does no such thing. The gov stops your employer from forcing you to work 18h a day. It does not prevent you from having 5 jobs in parallel. So do not claim so. You are spinning these things completely towards a selfish agenda. If you are so damn proud of your country, then you should also support the people within it and not be some selfish douchebag.
Now what do you want the politicians to do? Listen to some money grabbing minority and vote down the affordable care act and put it something that will make millions pay for it, or do what the majority of the US people want, a better healthcare plan? You tell me.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: Yeah, and the 99.999% of all companies were completely happy with it. They were all going along for the ride, that's why they never had child labor or slavery either.
  • 1 0
 @mitochris: your employer can force you to do nothing. Employment is a mutually voluntary contact. However, when government (not a mutually voluntary contract) forces employers to follow onerous rules, it makes it too difficult for most companies to allow overtime. This takes away my choice to front-load for a vacation, or just make more money. The difference is coercion. Any employer can do nothing to coerce me to do anything; if I don't want to do what they want I can leave. I cannot do this to my relationship with Government. Voting is worthless. You cannot opt out of any government program. It is not consensual.

Economic growth and per-worker productivity increases due to capital gains created weekends, shorter working days, and vacation. All the peer-reviewed economic evidence very clearly demonstrates this.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: try working in Taiwan mate. They can't force you to do anything, but when literally every company ignores the labour laws, knowing that the worst that can happen to them is a small fine, your choice is leave one company only to join another which exploits workers in exactly the same way. The net result is, you do as you're told, accept you're going to be working overtime for free and never getting any paid leave, and if you're three minutes late you're going to be fined an hour's pay. All of those things contravene the labour standards act, but since every company does it and the government allows it to pass, the workers are effectively powerless. That's why we need government regulation. God only knows what it's like for those poor souls in China. It must be the closest thing to slave labour.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: This might be a reasonable assessment, if you are in a purely buyers' orientated market, but the job market does not only consist of high fliers and overachievers. If you have too much work force (we are 7 Billion people on the planet), then an employer will try to find the people to do the same job for less money. And if certain regulations or requirements, such as nonpaid vacations, penalties for coming too late etc can be introduced, your wages will go down, especially for low skilled workers. The thing is, you want the gov to get off your back, so you can work longer. But why should your employer not also benefit and hire someone who will do the same job as you for less? Maybe someone from a different country? There isn't a shortage of low skilled workers.
Of course I understand that we also need a market to sell the goods that are being produced, but again, we are 7 billion people, a large part already is working in conditions that you most likely would not be willing to work in, for a pay that wouldn't feed a family in any western country. Your attitude is purely for the benefit of you, which is fine, but were there are winners, there have to be losers, and you might say you don't care, but again, we see that a less regulated market also leads to a larger divide in society, which will lead to tensions. Using people to work for the benefit of a few has been done before, it was called slavery.
In my opinion, removing certain restrictions (and yes, there are many which I do not see the point in) will only lead to a race to the bottom, with a few winners, and a lot of losers.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: If the available employment choices don't suit your needs, then you can always start your own company.

No one is forced to work for anyone else, except when government coerces you. What forces you to need to work is the nature of the universe. Nothing is free, all things you want have to be produced through the work of others.

We in the West forget our own history, and what it took to industrialize. 300 years ago, living/working on a farm sucked. It sucked so bad that people left that way of life to live in the cities and work for slave wages in dangerous factories because it was still a better living than being on a farm. Because of that, our economies have developed to the point where we have short work days,weekends, and holidays. None of the progress came from Government, but from economic growth. You said it yourself- the government laws in Taiwan are broken both by the employers and the employees that voluntarily work for them, rendering them 100% ineffective. Just because some economies haven't progressed as much as ours does doesn't mean that Capitalism failed.
  • 1 0
 @mitochris: Your explanation of wages being depressed when there isn't mandatory benefits goes 100% against modern Economic theory and the observed evidence. The wage and job market is a demand and supply market, just like anything else. People supply their labor, jobs purchase it with compensation. When firms are not required to offer non-cash compensation, they tend to offer higher wages, since people usually value money over benefits of the same 'value'.

For your second point, "an employer will try to find the people to do the same job for less money" it is also false, but has at least a half truth. People who work for less wages have lower rates of productivity. Once again, wages are set by the law of supply and demand. Hiring a lower skilled worker is like buying milk in smaller containers- yes you get it for cheaper, but you get less. The "race to the bottom", or more formally, the "Iron Clad Wage Theory", is one that has been proven false time and time again with data and economic theory. If it was true, we would see the same thing with the price of cars, yet we still observe a differentiation in price and features in the market.

Finally, your point about "Maybe someone from a different country" is racist. If I can do the job better for the same pay, or I can do it for less, why shouldn't I get that job, regardless of the accident of where I was born? If someone in India, who has poor English skills, didn't go to as good of a school, doesn't have the social, professional, and personal connections that I do but can still outperform me in programming, then there is something seriously wrong with my work ethic.
  • 23 4
 I bet these would sell even better if the rim said "remember to floss once per day" on it.
  • 2 1
 That's a pretty funny quote
  • 13 2
 why would dentists buy wheels telling them to floss, they should already know that.
  • 14 1
 @jaycubzz: no no, for the other people on the trail. plus it could strike up conversations that might lead to new patients.
  • 1 1
 @gumbytex I am going to use your line in a review. Where should royalty cheques be sent?
  • 18 2
 Yes, where are the €500,- and less wheel set reviews?
  • 1 1
 Totally agree...cant afford expensive exotic parts
  • 5 0
 One guy is gonna buy a custom alloy wheelset built to his specific needs. The next guy is gonna buy a $$$ mass market wheelset because often $$$ = performance. Screw the first guy, there's no margin in catering to him, and he's gonna ignore marketing anyway.
  • 11 0
 these are cool (and expensive) & all, but please oh pretty please can you hurry up and get me the low-down on that 2018 carbon process 153?

it's like i'm wilford brimley and that bike is my syringe fully of insuline.
  • 5 1
 diabeetus
  • 17 3
 I'll stick with my $500 Stans Flow/Hope wheelset.
  • 2 1
 could not agree more with ya. Best combo I've had the pleasure of riding on thus far. So far bomb proof for me through everything. Front wheel was stolen from me and it cost me $250 for the custom build replacement.
  • 10 1
 But seriously Pinkbike...what is going on with the flood of boutique expensive carbon wheelsets? Is there a carbon "bubble" right now where even though a carbon rim doesn't cost a whole lot more to produce than an aluminum one, people are still willing to pay a lot more for it? Can that be sustained? Is that why so many people are trying to get a piece of this pie?

I don't get it. How many people are willing to pay twice as much for a wheelset like this (and the others) when fantastic aluminum wheelsets can be had for 1/2 - 1/3 of the price? Or when GREAT carbon rims can be bought directly from China?

And as a sidenote, pricing carbon this high is, IMO, suicide for manufacturers like Sped. Alibaba/Aliexpress have already infiltrated Amazon - so many products are coming straight from Chinese manufacturers now at 1/3 the price of the high-end western brands. The more ridiculous the pricing for carbon wheels, the more people are going to be looking for the likes of Light Bicycle. As the supply chain continues to grow in efficiency, eastern manufacturers are more able to sell directly to western consumers (exacerbated by the ridiculous pricing on wheelsets like this one).

I'm no expert but I see more and more direct China-to-USA-consumer sales happening in the future and pricing on wheelsets like these that come across as western brands slapping their label on an eastern product don't help.
  • 5 6
 Because its so easy for someone with cash to go to China and get their decals slapped onto a mediocre quality carbon rim. The hardest part would be if a company went out and bought all the equipment and engineered and manufactured in North America. But it is it possible, as We Are One Composites, Enve, and Reynolds have proven
  • 10 1
 @WayneParsons: well...I don't think western in-house manufacturers have been able to convince a significant number of prospective purchasers that their products are superior. I've had an ENVE rim crack and deteriorate on me, and I've been frustrated by internal nipples on ENVE rims. The LB rims my friends have are holding up as well, or better, than the western-made ones other friends have.

If there's a quality difference it's not appreciable.
  • 4 7
 @gumbytex: do your friends rims have the same level of warranty support as a brand like We Are One? Chinese carbon is all well and good until you do need to ask a question or have a problem. Keep your money out of China and support local.
  • 4 3
 @Tmackstab: buy 3 pairs of China rims before one western. It's just not practical to spend 2k+ on one of the most beaten and bullied parts if a bike.
  • 3 6
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: Chinese rims dont come with complimentary hubs as well do they? Don't forget to factor in that cost.

The MAIN point is that comparing cheap chinese carbon to North american carbon is the same as comparing cheap aluminum to pricier aluminum. The ride quality and durability is quite different. Sure you can buy 3 cheaper LB carbon rims for the price of an NA rim but it wont be nearly as refined in the ride quality or quality in general. Now calling a rim a consumable part is a shame imo. The wheelset is the one component that will make a bike feel one way or the other. If you disagree then run a dh wheelset and then switch to an xc wheelset. Bs if you say you cant feel the difference.

Rims used to be consumable items in the hucking days and for some people they still are which I totally get. Nowadays however people are more concerned with ride, weight, durability etc etc. For a person to spend money on cheap carbon, it means that person does want lighter better performing wheels and would prefer them to NOT be consumable but are too financially gun shy to really dive into a quality set.

The sad injustice of it is that carbon rims, up until this point, have been either way too pricey or way too cheap in which case they usually blow up or are expensive to replace. This left an impression of being unreliable and overpriced. Carbon rims dont have to be consumable items, they can last and provide years of unreal performance. Companies like We Are One are trying to prove this and I believe its only a matter of time before people stop being gun shy and give local quality wheels a try.
  • 6 0
 @Tmackstab: when my ENVE rims failed they offered a crash replacement, and the crash replacement cost was like 2-3x higher than a brand new LB rim. EVEN IF Chinese warranty service sucks (it doesn't), it's still cheaper to just buy a new rim from Light Bicycle at full MSRP than to get a USA-made crash replacement!
  • 3 1
 @gumbytex: That is the exact reason I said an injustice was carbon rims being way too pricey ie. Enve, which is the only made in USA option that I know of. As an american you should be looking for wheels *cough* made in Canada *cough* as your dollar goes way further.
  • 2 0
 @Tmackstab: has we r wan been selling enough product yet for people to need warranty support? Wayne keeps sayin their stuff is so strong, that I don't think they have been out to retail customers long enough to break them and require warranty.
  • 1 1
 @Tmackstab: It doesn't go THAT much further.
  • 1 1
 @phobospwns: Try being a Canadian buying something in the states lol. McDonalds drive-thru is even pricey now.

@onemind123: I have no idea, you'd have to ask him yourself. Admittedly I am biased as I am running their wheels (as a clydesdale I break everything so local support is always a must for me) and so far so good. If the need should arise for warranty I don't really see how a chinese rim supplier is superior?
  • 3 2
 @gumbytex : Totally agree, I guess it's the same thing that Vernon's article showed for frames : there must be lots of Original Design Manufacturers that built tons of rim designs and they end up in somebody's catalogue.You lace that to some Novatec/Joytech/Formula hubs and have them machine built with unveven tension.

The thing Enve doesn't tell us is that Minnaar destroys a wheelset per race, they are consumables. At least Reynolds showed us Kerr's wheels.

Carbon wheels are the Pretty Fly (for a white guy) of MTB : made for WC top racers-wanabee show-off. Sorry bruv, It won't add inches to your D.
  • 2 0
 I am. I spent 1400 on some Nox wheels. The difference is pretty incredible.
  • 2 0
 Anyone can go to Taiwan and buy a batch of alloy rims with their name on the stickers. I wonder why they don't? Is it because literally no one would stump up $2000 for a wheelset from a company they had never heard of if the rims were alloy? So how come this is happening with carbon?
  • 8 0
 Why wouldn't Sped get into the mountain bike wheel business? Think about it: They can sell a single wheel-set for the same price of an entire bike... and there are fools (cough... errrrr... I mean "enthusiasts") out there that'll buy em!
  • 11 0
 Really good review of the Race Face Affect wheelset on NSMB about the same weight and way less money.Just sayin
  • 14 0
 i love that nsmb gives reviews of real world products and are not shy of saying what has to be said about a product. i trust their opinion when they say something is quality.
  • 5 0
 @adrennan: Their opinions on beers are also quite good and that only builds trust haha
  • 7 1
 All these new company`s appearing and offering carbon hoops makes me believe that 1-the margins are huge 2-their market research leads them to believe there is a burgeoning market for carbon wheels 3-mtbers are used to being ripped off on the latest greatest thing so lets get in whilst we can...
Ive ran 2 different carbon rims (enve and e13) and they both sucked, the enve was stiff as funk and cracked in 3 places the e13 just cracked after 2 rides. I have just trued my Hope DH that spent 15 days on Whis and had 3 runs done from mid point Garbo to olympic station on the rim cruising (pesky flats), it needed minimal attention and has one tiny ding. Carbon rims can get f*cked.
  • 6 0
 What is the warranty on these?? for that price it better have a life time warranty like the up coming santa cruz wheels. I dont have an issue saving and buying pair but i am sure as hell dont want to experience what i went through with Mavic.
  • 6 0
 Hi @fedfox
We have a 2 year manufacture and workmanship warranty as well as a very reasonable crash replacement policy. Lifetime warranty sounds good and i applaud the term. Lets realize however that any defect in workmanship that would be a warranty would rear its ugly head way before two years if the wheels were being ridden in the manner they were intended. After that it is a repair issue. On our TR and DH models we will lace a new rim into your wheel for $300 with all new nipples and any needed spokes. This includes shipping back to you. Our XC and CX wheels get the same treatment for $290. Most riders will fall somewhere between the two terms. Either way we will make sure you are happy and that those who have invested there hard earned money in our wheels are taken care of. I don't know what happened with Mavic and you but rest assured we have full supply of parts to replace anything needed.
  • 4 0
 Carbon wheels are the latest place for the loudest howls of outrage at pricing but a lot of these same people have accepted mid-level complete bikes costing around $6,000 without carbon wheels. This industry is full of high prices, don't overuse the fainting couch
  • 7 0
 Thats a a big $2000 worth of NOPE.
  • 6 0
 I'm under the impression that spēd is short for special education, this makes a lot of sense after seeing the price tag.
  • 3 0
 You have to wonder just how cheap and easy carbon wheels are to make (or maybe buy and brand) when companies have been coming out of the woodwork recently with new carbon rims. It seems like within the past year theres been an explosion in carbon options, from new Chinese sites selling carbon rims for cheap, new US brands "specializing" in carbon rims, and big name brands suddenly pushing carbon. I wouldnt be surprised if factories have started franchising carbon designs.
  • 1 0
 Exactly. There are so many new companies doing it. Is anyone buying their wheels I wonder. I guess at these prices they only need to sell 20 sets a year to employ three people full time. I am not against the companies or the wheels, but I am against the risible pricing.
  • 4 1
 @SpedPrecision You don't offer individual rims... only complete wheelsets? No thanks, I don't want your hubs and I like to build my own wheels. I've cracked 4(!) carbon rims from various manufacturers and there's no way I would consider purchasing a rim that didn't offer some sort of warranty for damage caused by rock strikes. I've come to realize that carbon mtb rims are an expensive disposable component... they WILL eventually crack if you ride them enough in my local terrain.

Although, I am interested in the great "ride feel" of your rims. Carbon rims can definitely be too harsh.
  • 5 0
 Hi @cacka-lacka

These are all good points. Many times rims can fail because of improper tension. What we set out to do was provide a tuned wheel system. Designing our own shells in relation to the rims allows us to control the feel of the build and the stability. We took all these into account in order to provide and engineered system that works together. From the hub to the rim we can make sure it all is in harmony. We have been in product development in the bike industry for well over 25 years. We saw an opportunity to solve many of the problems and preconceptions that most are talking about in here. Yes everything breaks eventually, especially if you are hitting rocks. We designed our profile and layup to accommodate these strikes on a regular basis. If you happen to do something out of the ordinary we make sure you are back on the trail and happy.
Are these big claims?? sure.
This is why we spent so much time with layups and testing the profiles globally with riders WAY more talented than us. Its a bad comparison but would you warranty a derailer if you hit it on a rock? No, that is a mistake that costs a few bucks. When this happens with our rims make sure its as painless as possible in order to support those who support us. We don't have a relabeled generic hub with our sticker. It is designed and matched to support the spokes we choose to interface with the rim. The whole engineered package is the value in what we are offering our fellow riders.

I hear you on the terrain thing. That's why we test globally. The sharp rocky steeps of Southern California all the way to the DH course at Ft William. Keep following what we are doing and hopefully we can start to show you what we have done.

Thanks for the comment

C
  • 1 0
 @SpedPrecision: Thanks for the reply. You guys definitely have an interesting wheelset since you've been able to tune the whole rim/spoke/hub shell system to have a specific ride feel. That's pretty cool... but it's going to be difficult to pull me away from my collection of I9 hubs. I'm sure other people are similar and have a preference for a particular high-quality hub brand.

Good point about breaking a derailleur and warranty. Obviously, broken derailleurs are usually caused by rider error (took a bad line = snagged derailleur on a rock, crashed = smashed derailleur).

I'm sure you guys have wrestled with this question: When is a cracked rim from a rock strike a rider error or design error?

As you mentioned, you guys have designed your rims to withstand rock strikes on a regular basis. So a rock strike is obviously a part of the rim design. So if a carbon rim gets cracked from a rock strike... is that because of a poor design or because the rider was riding too aggressively? I guess there probably isn't a correct answer to that, it's shades of gray.

All I can say is that I've cracked 4 carbon rims on my XC bike. Was that bad luck? Statistically, no. Were the rims insufficiently designed? Maybe. Was I riding too aggressively? Also maybe. When my current carbon rim supplier stops sending me free replacement rims, I might go back to alu rims for a while until the carbon rim market matures a bit more.
  • 8 3
 Sweet Nextie rim. I really like mine but I only paid $200 for each rim direct from the factory.
  • 5 1
 These rims are not anything off the shelf from Asia, spēd designed the rim from the ground up and controls the whole production process
  • 9 5
 FYI, Nextie does not have a factory. They are 2 dudes working out of an apartment that buys rims from an actual factory.
  • 3 2
 @kleinblake: then why do they look exactly like my Nextie rims? Same profile, same raised spoke hole area, twice the price. Although my Nexties do have the benefit of being hookless.
  • 4 1
 @seraph: if nextie are hookless then surely you can recognize that it's a different rim? Hookless isn't a benefit, it's a cost cutting measure that results in a weaker seal, it doesn't matter how good your wheel is if it doesn't have any air. If nextie hoops are your thing and you're confident in them then by all means continue to buy them and support them, no one is making you buy spēd
  • 1 0
 @seraph or maybe was it Quai or Astro ? I'm getting confused they're all neighbours after all
  • 1 0
 @kleinblake: car rims are hookless too... And I am sure that is not a cost cutting benefit...
Hooks are not needed... if the tire is well fitted...
  • 1 0
 @Trailstunter: car rims aren't carbon, and you're expected to use tire levers to help with the seal. Using tire levers on carbon hoops is usually a big no no
  • 1 0
 @kleinblake: I am interested in your comment about the rims not being anything off the shelf from Asia. Where are they made? Is it not an Asian factory? Is it not normal for said factories to offer customisation? And who actually laid the carbon? Was it not a factory worker in an Asian factory? There is nothing wrong with any of this, except for the pretence that these rims are markedly different from any other Asian carbon rims made by Asian factory workers in an Asian factory. If I am not mistaken, the rims are made in an Asian factory by factory workers, just like all the others. Very similar production cost, exactly the same shipping cost and taxes. So why the sky high prices?
  • 1 0
 @kleinblake: Haha... well ofcourse you use tyre levers on carbon hoops... just plastic ones.. I have them myself...
  • 2 0
 I'm surprised to hear from @WayneParsons and others that ENVE's have had problems. I'eve never had ENVEs myself but do own a pair of Easton Haven carbon wheels that have been mercilessly brutalized since 2014 here on Texas soil, I mean rocks, as we don't have soil, with no problems except a broken spoke or two. I would gladly buy another pair of carbon hoops in the future but would rather not spend an arm and a leg (got mine cheap as part of an entire bike build).
  • 2 1
 Enve makes a solid rim. Actually all the North American manufacturers test well
  • 4 0
 Anyone else prefer to see rim weight listed over wheel weight? 100grams on your hubs does nothing to your ride, but 100grams on your rims is noticeable on climbs for sure.
  • 4 0
 am i the only one surprised at the reviewers tire pressure? if this is around average psi for all mtn bikers im really not surprised carbon rims are breaking left and right.
  • 2 2
 I assumed he was a midget. He tested them on a 650b bike, after all.
  • 1 0
 At 170lbs geared up, I ride my hard tail with 2.35s at 18/25psi on all terrains. His pressure seemed adequate if he isn't heavier than that.
  • 4 2
 @JohanG: a 7psi spread must feel pretty freakin weird. do you have rocks on your trails or is it only dirt? if i rode at those pressures id be replacing rims every ride.
  • 1 1
 20/25 or nearer 25/30 if I am going on an unpredictable epic ride (hardtail again). No shortage of rocks in Squamish. In fact if you run 30+psi around here you'd probably not have any traction on the steep slabs. As for dented rims, I just bend my legs and look where I'm going. I'm not seeing anything unusual in the reviewers pressures for contemporary mountain biking.
  • 1 0
 @whitebullit: My trails are mostly rocks of the limestone variety. I've never damaged a rim.
  • 2 0
 Why does Pinkbike test all these high dollar items? Well it's because those manufacturers know that PB is a conduit to thousands of mountain bikers. Hey, all you big buck manufacturers, please send me those items to test and I'll give you my best review possible.
  • 1 0
 I was just thinking the other day, I'd LOVE to see a poll on how much money people have spent on their current bikes/gear. Not how much they're "worth", but how much they actually spent (e.g. buying a $3500 bike used for $1750 on PB or picking up a $650 fork on mega clearance for $375 you'd vote the latter range for each).

I'd then love to see reviews/"shoot outs" for new parts in the maybe 2 most common price ranges. Or perhaps they could do some quick research and find the most common bikes/parts in the buy/sell portion of the site in those ranges, and compile their previous reviews should they exist, or review those items.

Basically, I'd love to see more articles and reviews of things the majority of people can/do actually buy. It certainly wouldn't be 2k+ wheelsets and 5k+ bikes that got the attention. Maybe it's just me though, and people really only want to read about the latest and greatest stuff they'll never be able to afford- or maybe more people can afford those things than I think.
  • 1 0
 @phobospwns: Great idea. I spent $1900 on a year old nomad c frameset, and $500 on a fox 36. I run full xt, spank parts and specialized tyres.

I could go higher, but it's just not worth it, is it? My bike will do anything a top spec bike will do, and I can still have three or four holidays a year and pay my kids' school fees.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Exactly. Most of the bikes I have put together myself, or bought, have been in the 1200-1600 range. Solid bikes with reliable components, usually a few years old. For my next bike (if I can move the one I've got in the Buy-Sell section) I might get up to 1800-2300 on a new new bike, or a nice used one.

So I'd love to see a shootout between a Vitus Escarpe SLX, a Nukeproof Mega 275/290 Race, a Canyon Spectral 5.0 EX and a Rose Granite Chief 1.0. How do those bikes compare to a used Tracer 275a Foundation, or a GT Force X for 2k?

These are the questions most of is actually want answered, not "how good is a wheelset that costs as much as a full bike?". I'm sure they are all great, no shit, lol.
  • 2 0
 @phobospwns: I'm getting a new road bike for Christmas. Cannondale, aluminium. Complete bike, $1800. Yeaw! Upgrade your engine, not your bike!
  • 3 0
 Quiz time:

Finish this sentence:

"If you are looking into carbon wheels at this price-range or higher, ............"




,,,,never forget how lucky you really are."
  • 3 3
 Can anyone give me a reason to buy a wheelset like this (in this price range, carbon, etc.), when it weighs more than a DT Swiss XM1501 series wheelset and costs upwards of twice as much and, given they are carbon, ride harsher (yeah, this is a blanket statement meant to cover all carbon wheelsets, even though the review of this set clearly states they are not as harsh)?

I currently ride a set of XM1501s (only 22,5 mm inner width though) on my 2015 Reign 1 and, despite smacking through and through the rear tire at least three times, the rims are still undented. Sure, they do need more truing than a more burly wheelset, but they have impressed the damn out of me!

(I was set to sell them when i bought the bike, luckily buying a new set didn't go through with the CC, so i was able to see the DT light. I would put XM1501s or maaaaybe EX1501s on ANY dream build.)
  • 3 0
 I'm going to ride Mount Fromme on Wednesday on my 26 inch alloy wheels with tubes. It will be fun.....
  • 1 0
 Yes lad! Tubes for the win!!!!!!
  • 1 1
 I lost count a long time ago with how many wheels are available at this size, weight, and price.
What truly amazes me, is that there's obviously enough people out there buying all these different brands/sets.
Seems like a new-previously unknown- brand/set pops up on a weekly basis, and again, same weight, width, and price.
I gather there's a nice margin in 'em for the manufacturer
  • 2 0
 I just realized that you don't say whether this is a 27.5" or 29" wheelset. Facepalm
  • 3 0
 @seraph
AJ tested our 27.5 TR wheels in standard spacing. They are of course available in Boost as well. We have a few new models in the works right now with our teams.

You can log on to our site and follow our social media pages to see what we and our athletes are up too.
  • 2 0
 PK why do you only review 3000$ wheelset why not reviewing some 500$, 1000$ wheels why it.has to be the most expensive one?
  • 4 2
 This page is paid advertising I would assume. The companies behind these type of ads are selling their products at premium prices and have the cash to throw around on paid words like these, meanwhile the companies making well priced, reliable wheels for the other end of the market do so by going without these larger media campaigns.
  • 3 0
 Yeah Wayne hand made in Canada and only $2200 what a deal.
  • 1 0
 Am I just an idiot, or am I not seeing any bead hook on the view of the inside profile?
  • 1 0
 @phobospwns Not at all. That image is more to show the internals and the angled bed. This shot is better if you would like to see the bead hook: www.pinkbike.com/photo/14637735
  • 2 0
 @AJBarlas: yes, that's a much more clear picture of the hook bead, thanks!
  • 1 0
 At least this isn't a $1200 alloy wheelset review. Still f*cking insane, but at least carbon insanity.
  • 4 3
 Waaaaaaaaa! High end products for my niche sport are expensive! Waaaaaaaaaa!
  • 3 0
 damn, tough crowd.
  • 3 6
 Those bead hooks looks like; bang, bang, snap crack through the rock garden, just saying.
With every carbon wheel with carbon bead locks, they will be weak. They need to add proprietary rim protection from the factory to be able ask that kind of money for potential crack popper carbon wheels.
  • 5 1
 Hi @Fifty50Grip
From the picture i agree it looks like those are pretty thin. I would love to invite you to check out our site to see some pics of the engineering profiles of the rim bed. In reality the bead hook section is 4.5mm thick with 1mm of that being the hook. This is over 2x as thick as many other brands in order to survive the impacts
You are 100% correct on proprietary rim protection. Without going into and showing our layup, i can assure you we spend a LOT of time with the wrap and position of the material in this area. Our layup in that area is proprietary and uses a few different types of carbon in the impact area as well as a process of layup that prevents the usual delamination at this area by enclosing the material instead of having material exposed at the impact point.

The bead hook and strucure was something we spent a lot of time on as we are one of the few still retaining this feature. We knew it had to be right.
  • 2 0
 What's wrong with bead hooks on carbon wheels ? I don't see why these would be a weakness point.
If these wheels manage to be strong then this is a strong plus for them. Hookless design seems like "We know it's really useful and necessary but we don't know how to do it so why even bother"
  • 1 0
 @Whipperman: tell that to car wheels manufacturers... always hookless...
  • 1 0
 @Trailstunter: You do realize just how different automotive wheels and tires are, don't you?
  • 1 0
 @rallyimprezive: not that much... their function is the same... making contact between road and vehicle... in all circumstances...
Forces are the same... directions... tell me how much difference there is...
  • 2 0
 @Trailstunter:
Well, to start, the forces are not the same. Automotive wheels and tires have to cope with far greater forces acting on them. Both acceleration and braking forces are far more significant. And when going around a corner, despite a small amount of dynamic camber, the wheels remain relatively perpendicular to the ground and turn on a vertical axis. This puts a lot of strain on the sidewalls which are reinforced much more than a bike tire would ever need to be. And mountain bike tires are leaned over in a turn, using the curve of the wheel to turn, with much less pivot on the vertical axis. So, the design challenges with respect to developing a strong rim and tire are WAY different than with a bike. And their is far less concern about the weight of the wheel and tire with autos, unless you are talking about race cars. Oh, and heat. Mountain bike tires are never going to see the same extremes in temperature either. Or longevity requirements. For all those reasons, the bead of tire, and the bead seat of the wheel have different design considerations. Not to mention, we expect to be able to put on a bike tire with hand tools, and car tires are almost exclusively installed with a pneumatically powered machine. The car tire seats to the beat with MUCH greater force.
AND finally, I have seen wheels with a hook on the bead, and I have seen wheels with beadlock rims as well.
Does that help you see the differences?
  • 1 1
 @rallyimprezive: forces are the same, but different in size. Car tyres need indeed much higher standards.. and still dont use a bead .. so we mean the same.. beads are not needed for cars so def not for bikes. That was where it was about
  • 3 1
 Carbon is dead
  • 4 0
 looking forward to something more expensive!
  • 1 0
 Beadhooks? Low profile wheels? You had me at 2003
  • 2 0
 Zzzzz
  • 1 2
 Bla, bla, bla ... here is a glass of water for 100 $ only for you coz you need this ...







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