The Arbr Saker - UK-Made Carbon Enduro Bike

Nov 28, 2016 at 13:54
by Arbr  

Any carbon frame not constructed somewhere in Asia is a rarity. A carbon frame that's designed, tested and built in the UK, with a high pivot-point and idler pulley that also looks like a spaceship is like a finding hen's teeth in a needlestack. This Arbr Saker has been poking up its head here and there for a couple of years, but the wait is finally over and you can place an order today. Its high price tag puts it directly in Robot Bike Co's, Unno Bikes' and Antidote's firing line. A contemporary gun slinging competition of Koenigsegg-esque exclusiveness. We'll hopefully have one between our legs to put through its paces soon. Until then, here's the low down from Arbr. - Paul Aston


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UK company Arbr Limited, today officially launches and presents its first product, the Arbr Saker. Designed and developed over the last three years with a focus to define and integrate critical features, to maximize descending performance while maintaining pedal efficiency for sprints and ascents. A high-performance benchmark to exceed customer expectations and push forward the boundaries of what is achievable with a 160mm bike.

Manufactured from carbon fiber and aerospace core materials the Saker is handcrafted in the UK, with individual frames laminated by the same operator from start to finish. The entire process has been developed in-house, engineered for performance by a team with over 25 years of combined experience in Formula 1.

The result is a unique bicycle which will be made to order in limited volumes.


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Carbon fiber monocoque construction, 160mm travel, 27.5 wheels


Arbr was founded in 2013 by Robert Barr, who is an engineer and designer with a background that covers over ten years of suspension design in Formula 1, as well as projects for MotoGP and World Superbikes. A combination of broad professional experience and a passion for cycling has given Rob the inspiration and knowledge to create such a unique bicycle, transforming his initial concept into reality.

To realize the vision a collaborative team was assembled, fusing expertise from friends and industry leading contacts. Each of them drawn to the project through a lifelong passion for cycling, along with the opportunity to develop and launch a next generation product from scratch. The journey has been a chance to think differently and collaborate with a diverse group, that collectively hold similar ideals and vision.

We have taken our time going to market. That is what it takes when you are as obsessive about details as we are. Our vision is clearly defined – producing the ultimate bike in its class. No compromises.


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The design started with no constraints and a desire to achieve the following attributes:

• A rearward rear axle path to absorb impacts from rough terrain and increase ability to carry speed
• 100% anti squat characteristic for pedal efficiency
• Removal of chain tension feedback and interference
• Progressive rear shock rate, to maximize grip and maintain composure through big hits
• Stable geometry and balanced weight distribution
• Optimized lateral and torsional chassis stiffness

The Saker suspension design is defined by the term ‘HIPR’ which refers to the combination of design elements working in unison: high single pivot, idler, progressive rate rocker mechanism. It’s a development that dramatically improves performance and is instantly recognizable on the trail.


swing arm rocker
The rear kinematics were designed to give a progressive shock rate, keeping the bike supple to find grip early in the stroke. Before ramping up to provide mid-travel support and bottom out resistance against large impacts.


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7075 T6 components, titanium shafts for pivots and shock mounting, Boost 148 rear axle.


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Handcrafted in the UK, each frame laminated by the same operator.


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Metallic interfaces for all bearings, highly toleranced inserts for press fit BB92. Enduro bearings used throughout.


Each frame, logo, and highlight are painted by hand, maintaining the personally handcrafted approach to the way our bikes are made. Applying paint in this way is a painstaking process that delivers a stunning finish. The talents of those in the paint booths also adds flexibility for custom schemes befitting a bike of this level of craftsmanship.


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Combined with the Saker’s suspension characteristics and construction, our aim was to produce a responsive bike with huge stability. The final geometry is race inspired and modern with a long front center, sensibly low bottom bracket and a slack head angle. It has been set to cope with high-speed technical descents on steep terrain while providing an efficient seated position for climbing.

Chainstay and front center lengths have been set to achieve a series of weight distribution targets. Across a variety of terrain and gradients, this creates a bike in which the rider feels centered and balanced, with no extreme shifts of body position needed to achieve traction and grip through the tires.

Each design feature has been combined and developed to work in harmony. The Saker delivers on descents and can be ridden all day. It delivers performance you can feel.


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For more information about Arbr, the bikes and the team behind them please explore our website at www.arbr.bike

Price: £4,390 inc. VAT (approx $5490 USD), frame with Fox Float X and custom color scheme with hand painted decals. Custom builds are also available.

Availability: First deliveries in March 2017. Each frame is made to order; please contact us through the website.

After purchase, we will support with our component upgrade, service, and maintenance program. These versatile packages can provide rolling component updates with pricing benefits for original owners. If you want the latest components or if components are getting worn we can swap them out with new items. If you want a change of color we can do that too.

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MENTIONS: @Arbr






386 Comments

  • + 653
 Ugliest frame Ive ever seen
  • + 137
 Understatement. I'm having trouble even imagining an uglier frame.
  • + 177
 an evil insurgent ate to many cheeseburgers
  • + 158
 Just google "Redalp" real quick...
  • + 70
 are we also forgetting the two morpheus DH carbon frames?
  • + 81
 It looks like it's pregnant with the shock..
  • + 30
 The 90ies' taste of frame design is coming back!
  • + 35
 On the plus side, they could potentially fit an e-bike battery in the weird top tube area.
:/
  • + 198
 Ellsworth called, they want to be the ugliest again
  • + 3
 @taquitos:
Second most ugliest frame!
  • + 7
 Looks like a snail peeking about.
  • + 14
 Wow - it has ENDURO bearings !!
  • - 2
 I concur about this being the ugliest frame I have ever seen. I used to think the prototype Morpheus was the ugliest. Then Morpheus came out with their current DH bike and became the ugliest I've ever seen. But this, this just blew both of them out of the water.
  • + 24
 It looks like its from 2002
  • + 5
 I knew this comment would be first. Sort of dreaded it.
  • + 46
 I'm not sure who made a bigger mistake. The guy who said "I've got an idea for a frame design!", or the guy who said "That's a fantastic idea!"... Probably a f*cking Vegan!!
  • + 11
 why has nobody mentioned that polygon yet? It surely doesn't want to be left out.
  • + 5
 @Cyclismo100: ...That's the plus side?
  • + 1
 @taquitos: that thing killed my brain
  • + 5
 @Husker2112: The only thing that's missing is the 'Y'.

So here its is...WHY????
  • + 0
 @Husker2112: oldschool 4life
  • + 0
 @taquitos: well played.
  • + 0
 @taquitos: well played.
  • + 22
 I thought it was an e-bike before I read the headline. If it were, it might get a pass on the appearance.
  • + 1
 @bashhard: ha ha ha ha...! what a funny call
  • + 3
 Unsure if my old 07 big hit was prettier or uglier than this!
  • + 15
 I'm just happy my old '95 Mountain Cycle San Andreas frame was able to be reproduced in carbon with 27.5 wheels.
  • + 17
 Looks like the UK wants to have an Ellsworth too! Good for you Britain, good for you.
  • + 1
 @bashhard: hahahahhaa MY WORDS EXACTLY ! ! !
  • - 2
 Its every ex Balfa BB7 owners DREAM bike .. a reincarnation only in Carbon.
  • + 1
 @RedBurn: I have a Super 8.....
  • + 1
 looks like a 90's jamis frame?
  • + 2
 @Bluefire: that was a joke
  • + 8
 R.I.P. arbr, I hope they didn't pay for this press release just to get bashed on by a bunch of us cheapskate mountain bikers.
  • + 2
 its looks like and obese pig
  • + 2
 I bet it makes some WICKED crunching and grinding noises when its dirty
  • - 1
 @Fundamentalist: That's f*cking funny!
  • + 3
 Also the monocoque design..... I thought norco moved away from this with the vps cause the tube frames were stronger. Maybe im wrong with carbon but.....
  • + 2
 @XCMark: So pretty and pretty heavy .
  • + 1
 Anybody posted a redalp pic yet?
  • + 1
 ahahaha, I 100% agree with you, ahaha
  • + 5
 Yes! Can't recall or imagine an ugliest frame (not to mention that it will probably fly away in any wind) but ... it is cheap! $5500 for a frame! it is the bargain of the year!
  • + 12
 This kind of thing reminds me that we buy bikes based on looks as much as performance (ok we all differ a little but its clear we like our bikes to be lookers)

I initially thought that was a superficial, idiotic way to choose a bike but I suppose you have to realise top end bikes will likely be the third most expensive purchased (for some second) item after house and car - people want something that rides well and looks nice - like a sports car I suppose.

This is one of the reasons companies have industrial designers as well as engineers, personally though I really like this frame though that is almost completely irrelevant as I build my full bikes for less than the frames cost.

I imagine this was a much of a technical exercise as a business venture - shows off the skills of the engineers to potential clients etc.
  • + 1
 @Racer951:
Yes, so it is for every things and for every kind of item, even a bottle of coke has its "charms". Human being is a sophisticated animal and his emotional component plays an important role when operating his choices
  • - 6
flag mb83 (Dec 1, 2016 at 0:40) (Below Threshold)
 @taquitos: I actually think this is the future just one main top tube frames. I really want a bike looking like Redalp. Check the galley it looks good: www.redalp.com/EN/gallery.php
compared to this: www.ridingfeelsgood.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MLandry_Demo_II-120902-00050.jpg

The future is simple and sharp straight lines
  • + 9
 For f**ck saker!
  • + 7
 @Racer951: Yup. This is why so many technologically superior companies/ideas never gain traction, their makers forget they are selling to people and people are generally irrational when making purchase decisions.
  • + 1
 word
  • + 4
 @robwhynot: Does this frame sit into the bracket of technological superiority, I am not sure?

I still think the cost of this thing makes any opinions voiced on PB largely irrelevant - Who has the money / motivation to purchase such an expensive, unproven bicycle - I would give one a go, I honestly would as the looks dont concern me, I just cant come close to affording one.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: I don't know. There's countless direct and implied references to engineering, so I;m guessing that's their claim: they've built better mousetrap.
  • + 8
 But... but... Formula 1!
  • + 1
 @melias24: Dude that's a classic! prettier for sure!
  • + 8
 If Brexit were a bike, it'd look like this
  • + 5
 @atlas4gr: What the hell would Trump bike look like?
  • + 6
 @Racer951: A Huffy?
  • + 1
 @bhd13: so did I lol
  • + 0
 I'm pretty sure the only drawing implements used in the design of this bike was a compass and pencil
  • + 2
 you sir never seen a redalp
  • + 5
 @Fundamentalist: HEY! I'm a vegan. Ok, no I'm not. But leave them out of this. All they ever did to you was leave more meat for the rest of us.
  • + 1
 @wesfife155: Actually, I think it was designed by someone bashing their head against a digitiser pad.
  • + 2
 Redalp is still the king of Fugly.
  • + 5
 @hardyk: well that's a google search I never wish to do again
  • + 1
 @PIggoth: I read that the first time as "San andreas frame reproduced with some carbon wheels" and thought, "strange analogy, but looks about right"
  • + 4
 Always feel bad when someone invests soo much into such a horrible idea. Dreams and futures are about to be crushed
  • + 2
 @bashhard: hahaha, loved that one!
  • + 4
 Kids nowadays. There were many uglier frames.
  • + 4
 Well you cant look at it when you're riding anyways
  • + 1
 @waywardtraveller: I would revisit Ellsworth
  • + 0
 I don't think its actually that ugly; the lines are pretty good. If the lines/silhouette was kept the same, and the shapes were just changed to tubes it would look great; not unlike the Evil bikes.
  • + 7
 @hamncheez: Evil quite possibly has the sexiest lines in the business, IMO. Their bikes look fast sitting still. The proportions on their frames just look 'right'. On this bike the forms are just too big and not balanced. I think they're borrowing from the Honda RN1 and the San Andreas. That said, I definitely don't think it's the ugliest bike. Redalp still holds the crown. I dare anyone to find something more 'wrong' and over engineered than that bike. I feel bad for these poor Arbr engineers. This is a classic PB comment shit show.
  • + 2
 @vokes: Don´t you dare compare this to a BB7!!!!!!
  • + 0
 "A 2009 study found that heterosexual male fat admirers preferred females that were clinically overweight and rated both overweight and obese women more positively than slighter individuals. The study also found that participants reacted positively to a much wider range of figures than a control group, even rating emaciated figures higher. It concludes "these findings suggest that an explanation for fat admiration may be that FAs are rejecting sociocultural norms of attractiveness"
  • + 1
 @Fundamentalist: ya people who like animals are idiots right? That makes sense.
  • + 1
 No need for a review. Fugly!
  • + 2
 @Fundamentalist: f*ck you, f*ck your vegan comment.
  • - 4
flag Axxe (Dec 3, 2016 at 12:30) (Below Threshold)
 @Uncled: vegans are unnatural. I think it is a mental disease.
Prime apes need to eat meat.
  • + 4
 @Axxe: weird that we need meat yet i havent had any in over 5 years. Guess i should be dead....
  • - 2
 @paulclarke: vegans are unnatural and misguided.
  • + 1
 Look like Honda RN01 DH bike, piloted by Greg Minnaar back in the days.
  • + 1
 @Axxe: nothing we do these days is natural. Live in a house. Drive cars. Not natural. I am not musguided. If i do not have to kill an innocent animal to eat than i dont want to.
  • + 1
 @paulclarke: Animals are not innocent.

They are tasty and meant to be killed and eaten. It is the natural order of things.
  • + 1
 @taquitos: what have you done to my eyes xD
  • + 1
 @Axxe: once again, almost nothing we do is natural anymore. That argument makes no sense. Almost nothing we eat is even natural anymore. Im just saying we dont need to eat animals so i dont want to. Also creates 51% of greenhouse gasses yet no one ever talks about eating meat when the whole enviromental issues come up. Its either going green with electric cars or led light bulbs even though the meat industry as a whole cause more pollution worldwide.
  • + 1
 @paulclarke: the idea that vegans pollute less is a myth. Overhead to grow al the fancy stuff is no less.
It is just a cult and an ideology. Way for first world poseurs to feel holier than you.
If one does not like meat, fine. But don't teach everybody around how it is any better. It is not.

Humans became humans because they learned to fish, and later to domesticate animals.
  • + 2
 Yawn, guys. We just want to come here and make fun of this fugly bike/snail mashup as one big happy mob.
  • - 1
 @Axxe: i dont eat fancy stuff. I eat the same as you but no meat. If you actually look into it its just science, common sense. I dont think you know what a cult is. Im not teaching everybody, just responding to your comments.
  • + 1
 @paulclarke: 'science' and 'common sense' are rarely related
  • + 1
 @bluumax: Yep someone already did
  • + 154
 does it have a SWAT compartment? Cuz I'm pretty sure I could stuff my entire cycling wardrobe and a 6-pack in there.
  • + 59
 That's a lot of weed.
  • + 6
 It can also fit a gear box in there too.
  • + 12
 @dmarsh15: I honestly don't know why they didn't go gearbox on this. I mean they are trying for that whole spaceship/F1/Super bike thing they might as well have gone all the way.
  • + 12
 I could shit a cooler frame.
  • + 1
 @NWuntilirest: hahaha, that was great. Take a look at our page here. It is done right.
  • + 124
 It looks like an ebike that is missing its motor in the middle...
  • + 3
 I thought it was a eBike at first!
  • + 117
 Only a face a mother could love
  • + 110
 Fell from Ugly Mountain and cased every drop on the way down.
  • + 21
 Nah, she'd probably put it up for adoption...
  • + 19
 Damn I can't keep it together much longer, those trolls burn so hard...
But honestly, stop before that poor engineer kills himself! Rolleyes
After all, props for completing the project and all the blood sweat and tears that went into it.
However... I'm sorry to say, that I would go for the Unno.
  • + 9
 Did they ever run the designs through tests? Surely SOMEONE could have pointed out how ugly it was
  • + 4
 It might not look the best, but I think it's easy to see where they have drawn their engineering inspiration from. It follows the same general (very general) shape as a modern sports/superbike frame. The engine in them is a stressed member so that's the bottom part of the frame. Just have a look at this link of an Aprilia RSV4 frame so you can see.
www.aprilia.com/assets/aprilia-sites/master/models/moto/road/RSV4-RF/infografics/2016/frame1/original/frame1.jpg
  • + 78
 a) You're all too young to remember the Honda RN-01. This design almost certainly nods to this iconic bike that was groundbreaking in it's time.

b) You are all brainwashed by the fashion of "what bikes need to look like" i.e. "it has to be, or mimic, a front/rear triangle design".

Baaah baaaah
  • + 66
 'member honda RN-01? Yeeeaaahh, I 'member!
  • + 9
 Just because I think the honda was ugly as f*** already back then doesn't mean I don't remember about it. And I'm pretty sure that's the same for a lot of people around here...
  • + 3
 b) You are all brainwashed by the fashion of "what bikes need to look like" i.e. "it has to be, or mimic, a front/rear triangle design".

Baaah baaaah
Oh rly?? YOU are brainwashed by the fashion of "uuugh, this bike is 100x better than a well produced, mass production bike designed by a whole team of engineers." i.e "It has to cost the price of a car, ONLY for a frame, that INDEED, looks like raw sh*t".

You see, we can see valid arguments everywhere!
  • + 4
 Instantly thought of the RN01. Cheers.
  • + 8
 @whey-dh: 'member Showa suspension?
  • + 3
 @feazel: They seem to now make car and motorcycle parts
  • + 2
 @DGWW: it's a southpark reference chap www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndI9vkgw_1Y
  • - 2
 Yeahhh I remember and it was ugly as fuck too.
  • + 4
 @DGWW: they've been doing that since the 30s.....
  • + 3
 @feazel: Ooh, I member
  • + 8
 @Aksel31: I didn't actually pass ANY comment on how pretty or ugly it is, how good or bad it is, or what I think of the price. I'm keeping an open mind.

I think it's good when companies come up with something fresh. Companies like this, the Hope HB.211 and the Zerode Taniwha .. they're all doing something different and that is a good thing.
  • + 2
 @Aksel31: That's entirely unrelated, and only partially valid. If they can demonstrate it's superiority from an engineering perspective, then it is better. Saying that people are brainwashed because they can't deal with the looks doesn't change the other statement. It could cost as much as a jet plane and still, it's price would have no effect on deciding it's superiority from an engineering standpoint. The argument was not "is it worth it", it was "why does it matter what it looks like?"
  • + 50
 This defo doesnt look like a Session.
Ughh :S
  • + 14
 Well yeah, Sessions look good Razz
  • + 35
 frame weight?
Press fit BB ? Really?
At first I thought it was an ebike.
Kudos for ingenuity.
  • + 5
 @paulaston: 435mm short?? You must be really tall. I'm 5'8" and the 435mm stays on my 5010 feel way too long.

Edit: Uh, what happened to the comment I replied to?
  • + 1
 @dlxah: 435mm is close to perfect. 440mm for me would be ideal for me. I'm also 5'8".
  • + 2
 @jclnv: Different strokes I guess. I have a playful riding style and I feel like it takes too much effort to get my weight behind the rear wheel for manuals and drops with 435mm stays. I think something around 420-425mm would be ideal for me, but I haven't had enough time on full suspension bikes with stays that short to know for sure.
  • + 1
 I did too.
  • + 2
 @dlxah: Plenty of bikes out there with around 420mm rear centres. Most 650b Specializeds etc. Just remember, the more rear weight bias the less front grip.
  • + 1
 This. The fact that they don't list a frame weight is disturbing. Looks like an anchor.
  • + 33
 Just when I thought England couldn't make a frame uglier than an Orange. Wow, just hideous!
  • + 24
 It's the minivan of mountain bikes! Dear lord that's ugly, hopefully it rides nicer than it looks.
  • + 10
 Even if it did, that's not saying much.
  • + 2
 im only buying it if it cost 500$ for whole bike.. and use the frame for one of my desk feet.. >Smile
  • + 7
 @sjedawe please don't insult my Sienna.
  • + 2
 @santiagomo87: God no, nothing's not that f$&king ugly, I wouldn't even drive that after 6 beers!
  • + 1
 @sjedawe: damn nicca, i was thinking dropped on 22s would look HARD
  • + 24
 You get all the shame of riding an E-Bike, without actually riding an E-Bike.
  • + 23
 getting over the aesthetics of the thing, I really want to see a video of it going through its travel
  • + 1
 Yup. Thats what it needs. I keep saying that
  • + 2
 Its basicly the same linkage as the commencal supreme v4 if that helps you
  • + 1
 oh yeah, im seeing that now
  • + 22
 This thing looks like it was designed by a committee of really smart people who don't really know anything about mountain bikes.
  • + 4
 What they do know an awful lot about is building motorcycles, and it looks like that's basically what they've done. Who knows, maybe it'll work.
  • + 17
 I swear ive seen this bike at WALMART.
  • + 3
 @Zink
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 It looks like an E-Bike with no E.
  • + 13
 -Bike
  • + 6
 it's looks like an e-bike on E
  • + 1
 @fasian: I'd like some E. Might make me want to ride one of these things. For now I think I'll stick to a Mondraker foxy carbon RR..
  • + 5
 It looks like a bike with no room for a water bottle. Oh wait... the frame IS the water bottle!!! 2 gallons at the ready!
  • + 12
 I'll be interested to see if there is a market for an Enduro frame at this price point. The average Enduro customer is not usually in an age group that has an income for a $5500 USD frame. How many units do they intend to produce in a year?
  • + 6
 Nobody will be the first to pay $5500 for this frame
  • - 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 30, 2016 at 15:35) (Below Threshold)
 GO-RETHINKENDUROCUSTOMERINCOMEAGAIN.com
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 @GO-RIDEcom: I hope you're joking.
  • + 12
 This looks very cool, but is there any appreciable difference in a fully handmade carbon frame like this? What do I actually gain riding a bike that is handmade? Is it simply labour value stored in the frame, or is there some actual appreciable difference in the ride characteristics of the frame?
  • + 4
 In theory carefully made handmade frames will have excellent control over fibre alignment and compression. It should in theory be easier to avoid leaving voids / air gaps in the carbon simply because you're doing it by hand and taking a great deal of time over each one. This should give you really good control over the ride characteristics in terms of stiffness/compliance. Whether the difference is something that can easily be percieved I don't know, I would imagine that the suspension settings and frame geometry would have a much greater effect on the ride characteristics than the fine details of frame material. But hey, it's nice to think about.
  • + 32
 @tom666: all carbon bike frames, even those made in Asia, are laminated by hand. It's the fundamental reason so many are made in Asia. And as a result, many of those factory workers are simply better at it. It takes skill to get the material to drape into complex molds without splitting it or causing bridging. The compression will depend largely on the tool design and whether or not they use an autoclave/press, but maybe these guys do an extra debulk.

Automated fiber placement and tape layup are really only used in aerospace on large flat acreage (wing skins) or big round structures (fuselage barrels) where you can keep tension on the fibers while winding. There are still no robots capable of properly aligning and pressing unidirectional prepreg into complex molds. But I'm sure that day will comeSmile
  • + 2
 Pretty sure all CF bikes are hand assembled. Due to the huge variations in size and shape of the raw CF pieces this is the only way until we finally get those ACME robots with the skinny metal arms and white gloved hands.

Do you get better quality control if its one guy in England putting 100 different CF pieces into a mold vs 10 people in Taiwan each putting in 10? Maybe? The only way to know is if enough "one guy" bikes get sold to do statistical comparisons to "ten people" bikes....oh and everyone has to publish their warranty data.
  • + 2
 @TheSavageBeagle: you sound like you really know your stuff. Genuine thanks for the insight Smile
  • + 1
 @TheSavageBeagle: in a way I want machines to take over because it will be far cheaper for the consumer, but then again, machines take the jobs of so many people building frames by hand. Plusses and minuses I guess
  • + 2
 No really big difference but probably finish quality and knowing it was handmade by passionate people rather than a machine makes a difference to a lot of people.
  • + 1
 @ibishreddin: in the future robots will do all the work, humans will spend their time dedicated to arts and riding
  • + 1
 @ibishreddin: I'd prefer machines to do the work, and people be able to enjoy a life of leisure. The loss of jobs is only bad if we continue on a path that means people need to work useless jobs in order to live a decent life!
  • + 2
 @JoseBravo: Yes! But only if we make that future happen!
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 @TheSavageBeagle:

yes, its a labour intensive, semi-skilled task when done on production line scale (i.e. Giant's "C-Tech" plant in Taichung, TW). 500 CF frames per day come out of that plant.

because it has to be broken down into very controlled layup tasks to ensure optimum QC, makes it repeatable and quick to teach. Its very impressive, the QC is generally excellent, and the product is high performance / affordable, check this out:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=deQ1f9P9f1s
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 @delusional: What happens when the machines rise against us Wink
  • + 2
 @teamcliff: "There's a billion to one chance we're living in base reality" -Elon Musk. According to Elon the machines took over a long time ago...sorry.
  • + 3
 @ibishreddin: machines have taken over in aerospace where flaws and production variability are unacceptable. In fact all composite structures are sized with a ~12mm*12mm square delamination at the critical area in the laminate so that even if there is a flaw, it's not going to cause failure, and anything larger than that will be detected through non-destructive inspection. There are very few hand-layed parts in commercial aviation. There are still quite a few in general aviation because production rates are low enough and certification is typically done through testing.

Machines have also taken over in automotive where the material layups are less optimized, and therefore alignment of the plies less critical. BMW uses non-woven resin transfer molded parts in their i3 and i8, of which they make 30-50,000 cars/year. Wouldn't be possible to make them by hand. But again the material they are using is much lower performance, with higher resin content and less directionality to the properties due to quasi-isotropic layups and braiding. It's still extremely impressive though, and the performance of these cars is outstanding. The i3 ways about the same as a single Tesla battery pack thanks in large part to the small carbon fiber body.

I don't foresee automation in the bike industry for a very long time, for many reasons. The first, bike companies simply don't have the capital and production rates are not high enough to justify the investment. Us bikers also want a new design every year or two, which is not enough time to amortize tooling costs. Cars have a ~6-8 year production lifecycle and airplanes 30+ years! A 2 year old carbon frame is no longer cool on the trailsSmile Finally, the industry simply doesn't have the technical expertise. BMW, Boeing, those guys have teams bigger than any bike manufacturer devoted to composite design and manufacturing. Any technology will trickle down from them, but never be developed specifically for, the sporting goods industry.
  • + 1
 @TheSavageBeagle: Elon was actually talking about us living inside a computer simulation like in the Matrix. I personally feel that is silly...I think he has found an almost 100% probability of an ultimate creator based on his studies but he is too big headed to admit it is God. It doesn't hurt his ego as much so say it is machines or computers in control instead of something we can't see or don't understand.
  • + 1
 @Warburrito: I don't find silly that matrix theory simulation at all. Today scientist are modellating the beggining of the universe and they make thousands of models, it is way more probable than we are part of a simulated reality of a more advanced civilization than we are on the "real universe".
  • + 1
 @JoseBravo: I partially agree...it looks that way because it IS that way. We are not the first civilization to realize this either. Every civilization has come up with some explanation for the complexity of the world around them. As more scientists embrace the fact that the world is too brilliantly designed to not have been planned out.. all will either turn to God or scientists/programmers as the ultimate designers. I could really dive into the argument between the 2, but I'll just start with Occam's razor...the simpler explanation is usually better. Or..the solution with less assumptions made is more likely to be correct.
  • + 2
 A Handmade frame is undoubtedly lower impact than something made in a place sought out particularly because it lacks environmental and human right regulations
  • + 12
 Looks are subjective. I think its looks great for the function of it. High pivot bike rear wheel path is most similar to the front axle path and gets over obstacles is a more similar fashion. Compare the rear swing arm angle to a Honda CR250. I hope this design gets more attention. Here is a ride impression article I found. dirtmountainbike.com/bike-reviews/trail-enduro-bikes/arbr-saker-tested.html
  • + 7
 It looks much better in that article tbh ^
  • + 16
 Raven. (many of you hadn't been born yet to know what I'm saying)
  • + 12
 Ha... Wonder if it's a "quiet" as a San Andreas or better yet, a carbon Y... Hahaha.. oh jeez, my hip...
  • + 5
 @oldschool43: my hip!!! Lols! My bro had a black San Andreas. What a sack of poo. Sounded like it was made from coke cans!
  • + 2
 That's the first thing I thought of when I saw it... A classic in the making.
  • + 1
 No doubt, i was thinking of the 2001-2002 Norco VPS Line
  • + 16
 Arbr-Kadabr... nope, still looks the same.
  • + 5
 Thanks for the laugh, funniest comment on here!
  • + 14
 Hahahaha $5490 for the frame! Go luck selling that turd!
  • + 10
 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the longer I look at it, the less I hate it; and yes at first it is quite a shock to the eyes!. Yes it's very different, but the whole point of going to CF construction is that you can make any shape that works, that supports the projected forces, without being constrained to making triangles out of tubes. Just take a step back and look at the current of 160mm carbon bikes from mainstream brands, and compare their appearance to a mountain bike from the mid 1990's; the differences are almost as striking. I definitely also see come cues from the Ibis mojo here, and if it works, who knows we may all be riding bikes that look like this in a few years time.
Rearward axle path is also obviously coming back into vogue; I for one am happy about that, and the more the merrier.
It is bloody expensive, but they're not planning on selling thousands of them, so there's a decent chance they'll get enough people with open minds (and maybe closed eyes!) to get on board and try it; if it rides well it'll be a winner. Built up it won't be more than about $10K, and you can pay that for a mass-produced bike from Spesh, SC, Yeti, among others. You don't get advancement by doing the same old thing over and over again!
  • + 13
 Hold on, you're looking at something with a clear mind and presenting a viewpoint in a diplomatic method - that will not do here!
  • + 7
 • 100% anti squat characteristic for pedal efficiency
• Removal of chain tension feedback and interference

what?? anti-squat is "The suspension being limited by the drive force of the chain to eliminate pedal bob". how can you have 100% anti squat, and no chain tension feedback......They're just blindly plugging buzzwords in here and hoping no one understands them.
  • + 7
 Torque at the rear wheel, and the way the suspension is designed provides the anti-squat. Usually in bike suspension, chain growth accompanies the suspension design, which can affect pedaling. The idler wheel negates chain tension, but the swingarm pivot location still provides anti-squat. The wheel tries to drive under the bicycle due to the pivot location, offsetting the riders weight transfer....
  • + 2
 Right I'm sure the engineers who design f1 and gp suspensions are mostly just making stuff up. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that nobody does.
  • + 2
 Do you understand antisquat or have you quickly quoted from wikipedia?
  • + 9
 How would it handle a side wind?
  • + 10
 STOP.
  • + 8
 That is what I call fugly.
  • + 7
 Sorry, as much as I want to love a UK made Carbon bike, That... Is.... FUGLY
  • + 4
 You people complaining about the look of it are all completely and utterly shallow and close minded. Look at the design, craftsmanship, geometry, finish. It is better in so many respects and meets the gold standard for any bike in the industry (except price). I would love to ride one because I'm sure it rides differently (better) than your common mass produced Taiwan frame.
  • + 4
 What I don't get is it seems like they could have made that suspension design work with a conventional front triangle design. Flip the shock so the reservoir is pointed up and then you can use the downtube as the stressed member. Instead what they've done is removed the downtube as a structural member and made a subframe. I would love to know why.
  • + 3
 hey guys, we are all mountain bikers. doesn't matter if we are enduro, dhillers, xc guys or whatever! have some respect to each other! when I go trough here at Pinkbike, I feel ashamed... thought we are all a little better humans, as we at least have respect to nature, as we love her. also we are supposed to be a little more educated than others (doesn't mean only high school or university) as we all travel and get to meet people, thats why we are all better educated. so before you post some shit here, be aware what you guys are writing! you guys are hurting. I know, our sport is so emotional and all about feelings! Sam Hill would win on this Sakr Bike, you guys would all like this bike.
Common, try to be a little better! It's only in your heads! Wish you all a happy week. Get out and ride! Cheers from La Palma!
The trails are unreal....
  • + 3
 Richard Cunningham, I'm going to need your help here. Back in 2000ish there was a monocoque carbon hardtail reviewed in MBA that looked really similar to this. Not a big name company. I can see it in my mind and it's going to annoy me for a month if I can't find it.
  • + 7
 Feckin gorgeous..I'm off for another wank.
  • + 6
 What, no integrated dropper post? Would have innovation of the year winner for sure!
  • + 6
 Who needs a water bottle when you could just plug up that space with extra material.
  • + 2
 It's growing on me.. i do love a high single pivot south an idler pulley. Really love how they laid out the rear suspension minus the frame... gives a great idea of how the linkage works. Still think i made the right cask purchasing antidote carbon jack instead.
  • + 4
 How do you go through the entire R&D, testing and manufacturing process and not realise that the frame looks like the dog's breakfast?!
  • - 1
 because you focus the R&D, testing and manufacturing process on function over fashion?
  • + 5
 I am an Engineer and understand function over form but a small amount of time spent asking the target audience or with a bike industry designer would have been a good investment.

£4300 is too much for a frame that does not deliver on all levels
  • + 5
 @paulaston: Skirts are actually quite functional. Much more functional than pants in many applications. Often they are even cheaper than pants ... how many skits do you own, and often do you wear them?
  • + 5
 The dude that rolls up on this will undoubtedly have a mesh shirt and gold necklace.
  • - 2
 And if it's me you'll get smoked!
  • + 1
 @eurojuice: Oh, if it's you, I'm sure you're well practiced at puffin' on stuff..... both smoke and sausage Wink
  • + 1
 @DBone95: oh man you got me with that one. I did not see it coming.
  • + 2
 An issue with these carbon wonder bikes is the sizing -> only two sizes available. As a big guy, this movement towards limited sizes (due to the cost of carbon moulds) sucks. I'd like to see more options in frame sizes, not less.
  • + 2
 Propain.
  • + 4
 i really wonder why they did not hire a talented industrial design student. it would have been cheap and good for both. but sometimes you need to learn from your mistakes.
  • + 2
 @karatechris
Come on man, I'm 23 and even I remember the Honda, nobody's too young for that, I was not a big fan of it, but this frame right here is on a level of it's own : it's REEEALLY ugly... I makes me feel uneasy, it's not proportionated (does this word make any sense?), it does seem kind of unbalanced because of it....

If there ever was objective beauty, this thing has to be the opposite of it. Don't tell me you are ready to spend 10k on this ;-)
  • + 1
 "it's not proportionated (does this word make any sense?)"

proportional
  • + 1
 @truffy: that is not what i meant Wink
It's more like "well-proportionned" I guess

But thanks!
  • + 2
 I like it. It ticks off all the boxes. Would it be better with a bottle cage mount, sure. Not too much different from a mojo in the front. My only concern would be getting spare parts. I would demo it for sure to see how it stacks up.
  • + 2
 I'm a big believer in form following function, unfortunately for ARBR, at this price I don't think it's unreasonable to expect both. The press release compares it with a Koenigsegg. They should know that supercars are an irrational and emotional purchase driven by customers requirements for exclusivity, desirability, incredible styling, and the very best engineering available. I wish them the best of luck as its clearly a beautifully engineered product but it has no visual appeal whatsoever, and as proved by so much of the reaction on here, looks count.
  • + 6
 This could've been used as an April Fools' post for Evil Bikes, seriously.
  • + 4
 Interesting ... we dont stop innovation in terms of external design .. whether you like it or not !
  • + 5
 Too late, it already spawned!
  • + 1
 Seriously, if you had the coin, why would you buy this over an Unno that's v sexy. This thing is like a cross between an Ellsworth and a Slingshot........ Soo ugly which is a crying shame given the amount of effort, $$$ and tech gone into it.
  • + 6
 kill it with fire
  • + 1
 "A 2009 study found that heterosexual male fat admirers preferred females that were clinically overweight and rated both overweight and obese women more positively than slighter individuals. The study also found that participants reacted positively to a much wider range of figures than a control group, even rating emaciated figures higher. It concludes "these findings suggest that an explanation for fat admiration may be that FAs are rejecting sociocultural norms of attractiveness"
  • + 3
 doesn't look that bad! kind of like a lower, more beefed up RN01 with better shock placement. this is where you all start ranting.....
  • + 4
 The bike builder at Walmart called.....he wants his Mongoose back so he can go home already.
  • + 1
 Nobody mentioned Lahar? The linkage is even similar. I comment them for going the extra mile. As a format it seemed to be very effective, i have no doubt this rides well. But it seems a bit much if you're going to [end up in Robot Bike Co. territory]. Probably what it takes to do it right without being so overly fly-by-night though.
  • + 1
 "Unfortunately,the shock position matched with the ugly as all hell, ridiculous frame on the Arbr Saker means that the only spot for a water bottle is underneath the downtube, which isn't ideal, but it is still better than nothing."
  • + 2
 Admittedly the first picture does make it look abit chunky, but in the 2nd picture of the frame it looks real hot. I love the blue on the carbon. Over all it looks like a mean bike.
  • + 3
 Mountain Cycles called, they want the offspring of their Shockwave and San Andreas orgy back.Actually they said you can keep it.
  • + 3
 I mean sure cool but why is everything really smart also quite ugly? I'm sorry but ew.
  • + 4
 Seriously? Wow that's brutal!
  • + 4
 what's that saying? "There's a Saker born every minute"?
  • + 1
 This bike is bad ass. I think it's the best looking bike to date. I will buy one, because I can, and smoke the haters to spite them. It's definitely not a half baked almost-Nomad-but-not like the Arktos.
  • + 4
 The Norco Launch now available in carbon.
  • + 1
 ^This is truth. any norco in the 2001-2002 VPS line.
  • + 1
 they must be over the moon reading your generous comments camarades! very gracious for your input. now I know I was right thinking : this bike is fugly. and yes it looks like it's pregnant with the shock Smile
  • + 2
 In terms of practicality it looks great on paper but no matter how good a bike is I have to love the looks to want it and everything below the top tube looks nightmarish
  • + 2
 Love the fact these guys are brave enough to follow their dreams and build a bike but they could have tried to make it look better...
  • + 4
 Are they taking the piss?
  • + 0
 Take out that nasty gusset that the shock mounts to, mount the shock to the downtube, machine off (the mould) the steps between the top tube/ seat tube gusset and the toptube/downtube so that big curve is less defined and there is more daylight in there and it might start to look ok, paint it in a matt blue or silver (something less 80's than laquered 3k). It's nice to see the care and attention to detail being put into bikes, but it definitely looks like someone from outside the industy has thought 'i can do better than that' and come up with something that looks way too complicated than it needs to be. The simplest designs are usually the most beautiful, and beauty sells.
  • + 1
 How the hell does so much work and money get put into something with out the thought... This is super ugly. Maybe we should make it appealing so people will buy it?
  • + 4
 fuck ugly
  • + 2
 MTB has turned into a catwalk. People too interested in looks, MTB is going down the drain..
  • + 2
 I imagine its also the £4300 price tag that puts people off Si, you expect a product that costs so much more than the established to deliver in all areas.
  • + 2
 Someone needs to tell this guy to change this fucking thing ASAP or this company is going tits up fast
  • + 2
 PS : God, can i Unseen this? please remove this horrible image from my memory.
  • + 0
 "press fit BB92. Enduro bearings used throughout" What a load of marketing BS. prob SKF bearings in a new box at three times the price.
I better crack on my Enduro coffee is getting cold in my Enduro specific mug.
  • + 3
 MY EYES! MY PRECIOUS EYES!
  • + 2
 Long live the entrepreneur! Now do what Ellsworth is doing, take your licks, come back and hit harder!
  • + 2
 The guys must have been drunk when they designed that frame. Are they seriously hoping to sell this beauty?
  • + 2
 Can't wait to read about how it rides. Love the idea of high pivot bikes like the zerode. Any idea of weight?
  • + 4
 That is disgusting
  • + 3
 What you don't like handmade, innovative designs? Shallow to judge a bike just based on the look is all I'm sayin'.
  • + 1
 @ibishreddin:
Yeah I'm sure it rides amazingly but it's an ugly bike in my opinion
  • + 4
 What.The.F#ck?
  • + 2
 Would love to see the designers face after reading these comments. Face like a smacked arse.
  • - 1
 a face like a smacked arse, still better than the abomination of a bike they made
  • + 1
 Make a new mould if it rides well. If it doesn't, don't bother. I'm sure pb editors will have some very constructive input... if you can get them drunk.
  • + 2
 I just hope if i paid $5500 + components + winning award for ugliest bike on the mountain...that it rides like a dream
  • + 3
 My eyes!!!
  • + 2
 Saw the frame, knew the comments would be gold.
  • + 2
 looks like a gt sensor had unprotected sex with a zerode...
  • + 1
 The word fineness should be banned from the Oxford dictionary. Finally it's meaningless.
  • + 1
 Do you mean 'fineness' or 'finesse'?
  • + 1
 @truffy: right... blame it on the iPad's word completion and my farsightedness
  • + 2
 Like a devinci but way uglier
  • + 2
 That name sounds like it could be the next bad guy in Homeland.
  • + 2
 Looks like the old 'Honda bike' to me !
  • + 0
 So you want to sell me a bike that looks like it was built in 97, that costs more than my car? (Which was built in 02 and isn't as ugly as this)
  • + 2
 Looks like the Honda rn-01!!!!
  • + 1
 YUUUP!!!
  • + 0
 Not the prettiest bike but I've seen uglier. However it definitely looks strong. But if you want ultimate strength combined with good looks, look at the Devinci Troy.
  • + 2
 If it has a SWAT box i'm buying one for bikepacking
  • + 2
 WTF? it 's so hard to find a balance btw stupidity and modern art
  • + 2
 Quick burn it with fire before it reproduces
  • + 2
 Sorry lads, but it looks like a banjo
  • + 1
 Wow, a very high carbon quality.. Might work well with Yeti's switch infinity.
  • + 1
 um, this bike looks like a fat frog with a very fat neck, it looks like an E-Bike wanna be with no Guts
  • + 1
 I don't know that it's ugly. For sure different. For sure very expensive. I'd rather know more about how it rides.
  • + 2
 Its...different? Would definitely like to try it out to see how it works
  • + 2
 This bike would look sick on the back of my Pontiac Aztec.
  • + 3
 is it not fragile??
  • + 2
 looks like its from the 80s
  • + 1
 This looks like an almost direct copy of the Honda RN01 Big Grin
Yep, in case you missed it - Honda made a donwhill bike Smile
  • + 2
 Doesn't get much uglier than that. Won't even look at the specs.
  • + 3
 A real shame because it is damn near better in craftsmanship, innovation, geometry numbers and finish than 90% of the other bikes in the industry. God forbid something different and innovative.
  • + 2
 About as sexy as a paper mache walrus with scoliosis
  • + 1
 It may be the beer glasses, but it's growing on me.

I'm gonna feel dirty in the morning! Frown
  • + 2
 Looks like an E bike. No thank you.....
  • + 2
 Kill it before it lays eggs! For fuck sake!!
  • + 1
 Looks like a pain in the arse to clean... Cleaning myself is hard enough, this is 10x worse.
  • + 1
 Congratulations upon re incarcerating something as ugly as Susan Boyle into a fully fledged carbon bike...
  • + 2
 On behalf of UE, I apoligize for this...
  • + 1
 We're gonna party like it's 1999! Doesn't matter how bad ass this bike might be nobody will buy it. It's awful looking.
  • + 1
 I'll take two.
  • + 2
 I thought it was an electric bike
  • + 2
 Ellsworth finally has some competition
  • + 1
 this bike hangs out with an elsworth.polygon n9 and the old morpheus dh bike.
  • + 2
 This or a Unno.... argh, tough choice man, tough choice.
  • + 0
 I don't know what's more insulting. It's looks or its £4300 price tag..

Makes me ashamed to be English.

Think John Whyte needs to give em some tips.
  • + 3
 @paulaston: To be fair to Whyte though Paul, they were trying something pretty inventive and I bet it wasnt £4300 for the entire bike let alone for the frame.

That Robot Bike Co bike you have been riding is in a similar market but is much better looking and offers highly customisable geometry, cheaper too isnt it?

This reminds me of the K9 bike, Luis really knew his stuff when it came to kinematics but the bike didnt ever look quite 'right'.
  • + 2
 It's a TBT 70's enduro cruiser.....needs streamers.....
  • + 2
 Pressfit and boost. Gads....
  • + 2
 When I hear "Saker" I instantly go to SilencerCo's Saker suppressor.
  • + 3
 I've been scrolling through the whole comment section to see if I was the only one that thought that. We just became friends.
  • + 2
 @Session603: There has to be a few of us on here, right?!? Wink
  • + 2
 Cheers.
  • + 2
 @Session603: ever in need... check out my business.. billet80.com. I take care of my biking brethren
  • + 2
 A perfect example of how bloated and ridiculous the industry has become.
  • + 4
 Ridiculous?? Because of the innovative suspension design, craftsmanship, finish or geometry?? Nope. It just looks different than anything else. So incredibly shallow.
  • + 2
 @ibishreddin: Stoats is not criticising the bikes design, craftmanship, finish, geo or saying it is ugly at any point, it is you that jumps to that conclusion.

'Bloated' is probably a correct term for an industry in which a new company feels confident enough to bring a product to maket that is vastly more expensive than the competition and with a form that is just not accepted by the customer and function that does not set it apart from the current top peformers (read Dirts review, they say its good, but not world beating)
  • + 1
 @ibishreddin: Why shallow? I've been in the industry for 20 years and believe that bikes like this exemplify the law of diminishing returns. There isn't any real innovative design here.
It isn't going to crush the competition because it's a more complex design or because its made in England. It occupies a niche way up high, $2000 dollars more than comparable products. Do you really think it's going to deliver that much more performance?
I hope I'm proved wrong.
I'm sorry you took this personally.
  • + 3
 Erm...
  • + 3
 looks like an e bike
  • + 2
 Probably sounds like a college hippy drum circle when you ride it.
  • + 2
 Looks like a half-cocked E-bike.
  • + 1
 i didnt read 1 post before i say that id love to just break that thing for the fun of it....
  • + 3
 Kill it with fire!!!!
  • + 2
 Somebody needs to kill it!... before it lays eggs...
  • + 2
 Press fit BB... FAIL!!!!!
  • + 2
 All that engineering could not buy aesthetics.
  • + 1
 Has anybody said it? DOESN'T look like a session
  • + 2
 BB is too high
  • + 1
 13.4" is too high? wtf
  • + 1
 @flattire: Where do you see 13.4" it says bb drop is -10
  • + 1
 looks like a mountain cycle
  • + 1
 Man you're right. It does look a bit like a Mountain Cycle. Brings to mind the San Andreas.
  • + 1
 Ooooohhh Myyyyy! (George Takei voice)
  • - 1
 Glad to see carbon bikes coming out of somewhere besides Taiwan..... That being said, I don't think the aesthetics are quite up to par yet.
  • + 11
 What's wrong with making stuff in Taiwan? The reason people make carbon frames in Taiwan is they have the best production facilities and the most skilled workers for making carbon fibre components.
  • + 1
 @tom666: not saying there's anything wrong with it, just good to see some other available options.
  • + 2
 @tom666: Yeah, that's what every PR statement says... do you think Formula 1 cars are made in Taiwan too?
Europe had the best engineers in the world when Taiwan was still a shithole with GDP per capita comparable to central African countries, there's absolutely no reason why European companies shouldn't be able to make any component they want. The economic growth of Taiwan is a matter of last 50-60 years so let's not pretend that they invented carbon fibre.
  • - 2
 @Extremmist: I think comparing someting like a bicycle to an F1 car is ridiculous.

F1 can afford Europes best engineers etc, when you try and get an English person to put your carbon frame together rather than somebody in Taiwan you end up with a £4300.00 frame.

Carboy layup is labour intensive so a poor example of a product easy to bring back to Europe / USA for production - CNC machining is a better example, you pay for floor space, the material and machine, modern machines with multi-pallets or robots do the work, not the European on 10x the wage.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: Thank you for agreeing with my opinion that it's all about money and it has nothing to do with skills or facilities.
Personally I'll rather spend £4300.00 that will stay in my country than send £2000.00 to a country on the other side of the world.
#MakeEuropeGreatAgain
  • + 1
 @Extremmist: Well thats a lovely sentiment, I am pleased you have such a large amount of disposable income!

I am afraid many of us have smaller budgets availabe for a bicycle frame and that doesnt extend to £2000 either in my case, good to hear you are doing a bit better though ;-)
  • + 1
 @Extremmist: Do you still ride a 2006 bike? Surely you are talking out of your ass then?
  • + 1
 @Racer951: Yes, I do (to be specific, the frame is from 2006 and it's the oldest part of the bike, other components are newer, ranging from 2009 to 2014). It was made in Canada. You should thank me.
  • + 2
 @Extremmist: I am not Canadian.
  • + 1
 Can I fit a bottle cage? No
  • + 1
 Look like Honda RN01 DH bike, piloted by Greg Minnaar back in the days
  • + 1
 Looks like a polygon mated with the Honda
  • + 1
 Its basically a carbon framed Moto GP bike with pedals
  • + 1
 Not the best looking frame can't wait for the hope hb211 !!.
  • + 1
 Semantic blockage by Raleigh Arbr Sakers
  • + 1
 I...don't know what to say???
  • + 1
 its ok... ill carry on waiting for the hope hb211
  • + 1
 They've foresakern good taste with this design.
  • + 1
 Maybe the creator worked for norco back in the early 90's
  • + 2
 What in the fuck...
  • + 1
 "...developed over the last three years". For this? Sorry.
  • + 1
 The designers were obviously test subjects for treating PTSD with MDMA. I wonder how many times a day they said "amazing!"
  • + 1
 @Warburrito: Haha, yes!
  • + 1
 Why are you charging americans VAT?
  • + 1
 if evil made an e-bike, it would look like that
  • + 1
 Looks like Chris Bangle BMW's, ugly but inovative Smile
  • + 1
 Am I the only one seeing accents from Orbea, IBIS and Empire?
  • + 1
 No spot on comment, I love my Empires
  • + 0
 Ummmm.........A little outdated looking?
  • + 0
 Way too much material in that, not good indeed.
  • + 0
 such a waste of carbon....
  • + 1
 Looks sick!!
  • + 0
 Just as nice as english women.
  • + 0
 If it had hairy armpits it would still be prettier than a German woman.
  • + 0
 FUGLY!
  • + 0
 Looks like a Polygon.
  • + 0
 Gorgeous
  • + 0
 a other balfa design
  • - 1
 I like how they size it by reach.
  • - 3
 New record for ugly..........good luck with the sale bro
  • - 1
 Not good...
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