The Enduro World Series is unique in that, the average Joe can enter the same race as Sam Hill and Richie Rude. This presents an interesting opportunity to find out how fast are the pros, really? What makes them so good? What lines do they choose?
In this video, I hike up to stages 1 and 2 and film some interesting corners and features. First with the privateers rolling through and second with the pro's rolling through. The results are pretty interesting!
@ADGproductions: Don't forget how it looks so easy and flat on camera...So many times I watched a trail on video saying to myself : "Looks easy" then when I got there I was not so sure about doing it !
@jscyr I’ve ridden pretty much every trail at Whistler, it can be big. And have sent every feature. These folks are definitely “average”. No dis to them though! It’s great they’re out riding and competing!
@Tmackstab: most pros are smother than the average riders, even going triple the speed as you said they take smother lines, and they also know how to absorve hits better. having that said if they were ridding slower the bikes would last more. if you have a good resistant set up, you only need service, when you try to cheap out on something, or save White is when you star to have problems
@thejake: that's what I was gonna say. So not only are they not paying for that frame or wheel they just smashed, but they literally get paid to ride as much as they can. But you can never discount natural talent or ability. I could get the best coach, bike setup, and fitness possible and never ride like Sam Hill.
Exactly that, natural talent got them into the position where they now get paid to ride every day and not have to pay for/worry about breaking parts! @gooutsidetoday:
BS. I get most of my gear for free or at industry cost and trust me top pros will blow your mind. You will only go as fast as your brain lets you go. Muscle memory and brain response is your biggest thing on going faster
To watch the pro's come through that hole at the end should be quite an eye-opener to everyone. Most of the pro's made it look like it wasn't even a hole. That wasn't suspension...Most of the regular mountain bikers almost came off their bike or worse lost their front teeth.
The Privateer could ride in the first episode. He didn't learn to ride fast just this year. Comments about free gear are irrelevant. If you could buy TALENT and HARDWORK every novice or Intermediate BMXers Dad would be at the bike shop today looking for the LARGE! It takes years or sacrifice, good times and bad. This is a great series and it's been an inspiration to watch. No wonder it's so popular- we all see ourselves out there. Well done!
Remember that they have to make that gear last for an entire race, so they are not just smashing everything in sight. If they break something their result goes down the toilet.
@gramboh: how can you say that a local kid (with talent) wouldn’t be faster if he had a couple of frames, new drivetrain, a box full of tires and fresh suspension with spares wouldn’t be faster Then if he had to work while fitting in training and riding a clapped out bike? ? ?
@abgs87: Natural talent doesnt get you very far these days to be honest. I've seen plenty of kids on shitted out old bikes with more talent than your average sponsored rider. The truth is like most extreme sports, its expensive and the kids who come from richer families have a massive advantage.
@Hardtailkook: Do you understand how money works? It's literally from being successful. I'm not a good hockey player, good hockey players have tons of money.
I've long wished someone would do this for the UCI XCO courses. Commentators are always trying to describe how technical certain sections are, but it's all so relative and vague. I'd like to see a middle-of-the-pack citizen mountain bike racer do the "course preview" before the race...just to as a reference point.
@brodoyouevenbike: Tried Vallnord XC track with a Spectral, didn't feel like too big bike on the downs haha Uphill was a bit painful obviously (just getting up the hill I mean. Getting there fast is another thing)
I like that thought, possibly a roadie who was once a bmxer as a kid could pull it off. Those guys are lean fit and I just don't see anyone pulling it off.
The toughest part is getting your shit together on the technical sections after scraping all the fitness you have trying to get past the uphills. And then realizing later on that you actually need to do 6 laps of this.
I think the pros on the bomb hole at the end managed to get their front tire over it or at least on top of the tailing edge letting the rear suspension take the brunt of the force. So awesome to see the side by side comparison!
So if none of the privateers (at least the filmed ones) did it the way you described with getting the front-end over the hole, could that suggest, that the pros are also much more careful when pre-riding those lines on practice day and remember those lines better AND are not letting adrenaline take over?
@pioterski: Watching their pre-ride footage over and over the night before is supposedly normal, but I wonder how much more time the pros spend on this?
After watching the big hole theme again and again, for me the Joes are "simply" not prepared to take the hit. The pros seem to know it is there nad know how to handle it.
@showmethemountains: I can spend quite a bit of any free thinking time I have running over sections and lines in my mind, so as these pros have nothing else to think about I would suggest it's alot. But could also depend on the person, I feel visualisation helps me alot, but others might not feel the same. Also you should be able to ride faster on the 10th time down a trail than on the first time down, if watching your first time down ten times on video is the closest you can get to riding it ten times then it must help?
I've always been slow bicycling, even compared to my friends. I always figured, "I'm going to end up back at the same spot anyway, whether I go 100 miles per hour, or 10". Also low-ish tire pressures for grip maneuvers. Plus it's a mountain bike, I do it for my own entertainment, don't really measure anything.
@smokingtires: Yeah, I used to be faster when I was younger. More interested in skillful riding. On flat ground my maximum speed was 40km/h as a kid. I don't know, obviously everybody wants to be the best at everything, I'm just not all that fast, it's not like I don't want to be.
If we all didn’t have to make sure we could go back to work each week injury free I’m sure all of us “Average Joes,” would be a hell of a lot faster. Truth of the matter is a lot of pros were just lucky enough to grow up in areas that presented the opportunity to pursue a career as a pro rider and also had the money and support aka their parents, cough cough.We gives pros too much credit, go enjoy yourself these guys are riding flat out for a paycheck. I would too
I am seriously amazed by the response to that hold Pros vs. Joes, the Joes are taking the A-Lines and look just as good in every other regard on that line but are missing some ingredient on getting through that hole- are we assuming just not putting the time into pre-riding the line and having a strategy? Too weird...
Fantastic video. Helpful and informative, and really puts into perspective how much work the pros put in. Much respect to them and their skills.
I'm happy with my speed, but better line choice not only makes you faster but smoother as well.
Factory(and properly tuned) fork valving was the major reason why the 'pros' took that bomb hole at the end smoother than the privateers. You can see it when slowing down the vid. The privateer's forks blew through their stroke very quickly and hard-bottomed, while the 'pros' forks caught it and drastically slowed the hit down through the mid and end stroke. Having a 'pro' set up your suspension pays off.
The difference in mid to bottom end "good" suspension and something custom tuned to you and your bike is night and day. I've had both Push Industries and Avalanche tune suspension on my bikes and it really transforms them. I'm still not much faster though!
Do your homework its not that hard to see who couldn't make the cut in DH. You're naive to think all those guys started their racing careers in enduro. Graves Rude Hill Mae's obviously top bike handlers but there are many who dabbled in the DH world cup and weren't good enough.
as you said they take smother lines, and they also know how to absorve hits better. having that said if they were ridding slower the bikes would last more.
if you have a good resistant set up, you only need service, when you try to cheap out on something, or save White is when you star to have problems
Tried Vallnord XC track with a Spectral, didn't feel like too big bike on the downs haha
Uphill was a bit painful obviously (just getting up the hill I mean. Getting there fast is another thing)
Having a 'pro' set up your suspension pays off.
I've had both Push Industries and Avalanche tune suspension on my bikes and it really transforms them.
I'm still not much faster though!