Video: Comparing EWS Pros with Average Joes at EWS Whistler

Aug 23, 2018 at 8:57
by Eric Testroete  

The Enduro World Series is unique in that, the average Joe can enter the same race as Sam Hill and Richie Rude. This presents an interesting opportunity to find out how fast are the pros, really? What makes them so good? What lines do they choose?

In this video, I hike up to stages 1 and 2 and film some interesting corners and features. First with the privateers rolling through and second with the pro's rolling through. The results are pretty interesting!


105 Comments

  • 164 0
 Let's not forget that "Average Joes" riding EWS courses at Whistler are probably still above average.
  • 3 45
flag ADGproductions (Aug 24, 2018 at 10:34) (Below Threshold)
 I dunno, they looked pretty slow..
  • 23 0
 @ADGproductions: Don't forget how it looks so easy and flat on camera...So many times I watched a trail on video saying to myself : "Looks easy" then when I got there I was not so sure about doing it !
  • 29 0
 If they're "average" then I don't want to think about what I am.
  • 3 12
flag ADGproductions (Aug 25, 2018 at 18:13) (Below Threshold)
 @jscyr I’ve ridden pretty much every trail at Whistler, it can be big. And have sent every feature. These folks are definitely “average”. No dis to them though! It’s great they’re out riding and competing!
  • 1 0
 @ADGproductions: Average for Whistler or maybe even B.C. But above average on a more expanded view of mountain biking.
  • 70 16
 I know I'd be a whole lot faster if I wasn't having to pay for all my own gear. Riding flat out gets expensive, fast.
  • 14 1
 Very relevant point. Not to mention how much time the upper tier of pros spend on suspension tuning and set up.
  • 12 0
 Yeah but even the difference in line choice is very obvious, sometimes the pros even take the easier smoother line.
  • 2 1
 @Tmackstab: most pros are smother than the average riders, even going triple the speed
as you said they take smother lines, and they also know how to absorve hits better. having that said if they were ridding slower the bikes would last more.
if you have a good resistant set up, you only need service, when you try to cheap out on something, or save White is when you star to have problems
  • 12 0
 Also how much time they devote to training
  • 19 0
 @thejake: that's what I was gonna say. So not only are they not paying for that frame or wheel they just smashed, but they literally get paid to ride as much as they can. But you can never discount natural talent or ability. I could get the best coach, bike setup, and fitness possible and never ride like Sam Hill.
  • 32 0
 Nah. I am worried about my bones and soft tisue, not my bike.
  • 3 0
 Exactly that, natural talent got them into the position where they now get paid to ride every day and not have to pay for/worry about breaking parts! @gooutsidetoday:
  • 4 0
 I hope I didn't make it sound like I was discounting the natural talent that is inherent in the pro ranks. That goes without saying.
  • 11 0
 BS. I get most of my gear for free or at industry cost and trust me top pros will blow your mind. You will only go as fast as your brain lets you go. Muscle memory and brain response is your biggest thing on going faster
  • 18 0
 To watch the pro's come through that hole at the end should be quite an eye-opener to everyone. Most of the pro's made it look like it wasn't even a hole. That wasn't suspension...Most of the regular mountain bikers almost came off their bike or worse lost their front teeth. The Privateer could ride in the first episode. He didn't learn to ride fast just this year. Comments about free gear are irrelevant. If you could buy TALENT and HARDWORK every novice or Intermediate BMXers Dad would be at the bike shop today looking for the LARGE! It takes years or sacrifice, good times and bad. This is a great series and it's been an inspiration to watch. No wonder it's so popular- we all see ourselves out there. Well done!
  • 1 3
 DarrenT1982, I always thought I was the only one to think that, you could not believe how happy I've felt reading your comment.
  • 2 0
 Remember that they have to make that gear last for an entire race, so they are not just smashing everything in sight. If they break something their result goes down the toilet.
  • 12 0
 @trails801: bang on comment. Hilarious to read people on here actually thinking they'd be significantly faster if they got free gear. Too funny.
  • 3 1
 @gramboh: how can you say that a local kid (with talent) wouldn’t be faster if he had a couple of frames, new drivetrain, a box full of tires and fresh suspension with spares wouldn’t be faster Then if he had to work while fitting in training and riding a clapped out bike? ? ?
  • 1 0
 @abgs87: Natural talent doesnt get you very far these days to be honest. I've seen plenty of kids on shitted out old bikes with more talent than your average sponsored rider. The truth is like most extreme sports, its expensive and the kids who come from richer families have a massive advantage.
  • 1 0
 @Hardtailkook: Do you understand how money works? It's literally from being successful. I'm not a good hockey player, good hockey players have tons of money.
  • 26 0
 I've long wished someone would do this for the UCI XCO courses. Commentators are always trying to describe how technical certain sections are, but it's all so relative and vague. I'd like to see a middle-of-the-pack citizen mountain bike racer do the "course preview" before the race...just to as a reference point.
  • 19 1
 I'd need my 6' travel trail bike to get down a XCO track
  • 5 0
 @brodoyouevenbike:
Tried Vallnord XC track with a Spectral, didn't feel like too big bike on the downs haha
Uphill was a bit painful obviously (just getting up the hill I mean. Getting there fast is another thing)
  • 1 1
 I like that thought, possibly a roadie who was once a bmxer as a kid could pull it off. Those guys are lean fit and I just don't see anyone pulling it off.
  • 9 0
 The toughest part is getting your shit together on the technical sections after scraping all the fitness you have trying to get past the uphills. And then realizing later on that you actually need to do 6 laps of this.
  • 30 0
 Great video, need more of these ????
  • 12 0
 There is no question. Yes.
  • 2 0
 Agree! Very useful
  • 7 0
 subscribe to BCPov on YouTube, he posts some cool enduro race diaries as well as generally awesome POV footage of riding around BC.
  • 7 0
 I think the pros on the bomb hole at the end managed to get their front tire over it or at least on top of the tailing edge letting the rear suspension take the brunt of the force. So awesome to see the side by side comparison!
  • 4 0
 So if none of the privateers (at least the filmed ones) did it the way you described with getting the front-end over the hole, could that suggest, that the pros are also much more careful when pre-riding those lines on practice day and remember those lines better AND are not letting adrenaline take over?
  • 2 0
 This, and I wonder about suspension setup too. A lot of fast guys I know tend to ride much stiffer suspension than I do.
  • 1 0
 @pioterski: Watching their pre-ride footage over and over the night before is supposedly normal, but I wonder how much more time the pros spend on this?
  • 4 0
 After watching the big hole theme again and again, for me the Joes are "simply" not prepared to take the hit. The pros seem to know it is there nad know how to handle it.
  • 1 0
 @showmethemountains: I can spend quite a bit of any free thinking time I have running over sections and lines in my mind, so as these pros have nothing else to think about I would suggest it's alot. But could also depend on the person, I feel visualisation helps me alot, but others might not feel the same. Also you should be able to ride faster on the 10th time down a trail than on the first time down, if watching your first time down ten times on video is the closest you can get to riding it ten times then it must help?
  • 7 1
 I've always been slow bicycling, even compared to my friends. I always figured, "I'm going to end up back at the same spot anyway, whether I go 100 miles per hour, or 10". Also low-ish tire pressures for grip maneuvers. Plus it's a mountain bike, I do it for my own entertainment, don't really measure anything.
  • 8 1
 But fast is fun!
  • 1 0
 @smokingtires: Yeah, I used to be faster when I was younger. More interested in skillful riding. On flat ground my maximum speed was 40km/h as a kid. I don't know, obviously everybody wants to be the best at everything, I'm just not all that fast, it's not like I don't want to be.
  • 7 0
 This is really fun because it puts it into perspective just how slow I really am... despite my thinking I'm dope AF on the bike! haha Thanks for this!
  • 10 6
 If we all didn’t have to make sure we could go back to work each week injury free I’m sure all of us “Average Joes,” would be a hell of a lot faster. Truth of the matter is a lot of pros were just lucky enough to grow up in areas that presented the opportunity to pursue a career as a pro rider and also had the money and support aka their parents, cough cough.We gives pros too much credit, go enjoy yourself these guys are riding flat out for a paycheck. I would too
  • 2 1
 Years of hard work by parents a,d most of all riders. It all comes down to the individual in the end
  • 6 0
 Nice work man, I enjoy watching your channel.
  • 6 0
 Your Joes are much better then me Smile
  • 6 0
 Sam absolutely baked that corner he was talking to Adam about wow
  • 5 0
 It was painful watching that hole over and over, like watching a helpless person beat up.
  • 2 0
 I am seriously amazed by the response to that hold Pros vs. Joes, the Joes are taking the A-Lines and look just as good in every other regard on that line but are missing some ingredient on getting through that hole- are we assuming just not putting the time into pre-riding the line and having a strategy? Too weird...
  • 2 0
 Fantastic video. Helpful and informative, and really puts into perspective how much work the pros put in. Much respect to them and their skills. I'm happy with my speed, but better line choice not only makes you faster but smoother as well.
  • 6 0
 good one to watch!
  • 5 0
 @Silverthorne looking like a noob
  • 4 0
 Haha, props to our crew @silverthorne for getting the cover shot and the ender????
  • 4 0
 Lol, poor guy happened to take a digger in front of me
  • 6 0
 @BCpov: he is my brother, just making sure everyone knows who it was!
  • 2 0
 @BCpov: Looked like a nice soft landing though Smile
  • 2 0
 I recognized that was @Silverthorne as I was just scrolling though. I bet our "Joe" is faster than yours!
  • 1 0
 I thought you were very handsome.
  • 1 0
 Factory(and properly tuned) fork valving was the major reason why the 'pros' took that bomb hole at the end smoother than the privateers. You can see it when slowing down the vid. The privateer's forks blew through their stroke very quickly and hard-bottomed, while the 'pros' forks caught it and drastically slowed the hit down through the mid and end stroke.
Having a 'pro' set up your suspension pays off.
  • 1 0
 The difference in mid to bottom end "good" suspension and something custom tuned to you and your bike is night and day.
I've had both Push Industries and Avalanche tune suspension on my bikes and it really transforms them.
I'm still not much faster though!
  • 4 0
 Yeah!! Nice job Eric making it on to PB!
  • 3 0
 So cool! ????
  • 3 0
 Am I the only Scot offended by the way Lewis Buchanan’s surname was pronounced?
  • 5 0
 I messed that up! I'm sorry!
  • 2 0
 Did anyone else notice Lew blast the triple in the second to last privateer episode while they were standing around debating whether to go for it?
  • 1 0
 its all good man, we have harder Scottish names and places than that anyways
  • 3 0
 Great video! awesome to see the differences in real time
  • 3 0
 All of the Joes would be doing well to buy a shock pump.
  • 2 1
 By "privateers" are these guys racing in the Pro category still? Are there lower categories at EWS like Expert/Sport?
  • 3 0
 No, there is generally one category. basically 'open'. Some of them have a split for the 40+ in age, but nothing else.
  • 2 0
 More content like this. Thanks.
  • 2 0
 Totally agree with mblar! This was a great perspective piece - the back to back comparison is mind blowing! Thanks for putting this together BCpov!
  • 2 0
 Top job with the video, loved the comparisons. Keep up the good work!
  • 2 0
 So the $8k I just dropped won't make me as fast as the pros?
  • 1 0
 Yes it will.
  • 2 0
 Great video. Thanks BCPOV, well edited as well.
  • 1 0
 What makes them so good? must be the free parts on their bikes compared to the hard worker
  • 1 0
 I’ve wathed with the sound off. Where were the Joes?
  • 1 0
 This is amazing! Thank you!
  • 2 0
 Excellent video!!!
  • 1 0
 In the last section which line is obviously faster?
  • 1 0
 This was an awesome video. More of these please.
  • 1 0
 I could watch a website/channel of just this.
  • 1 0
 This is great, more of these types of videos....
  • 1 0
 The only thing faster than my riding is my belly.
  • 1 0
 Great video!! Awesome to see the different lines. Good job!!!
  • 1 0
 You're famous, Alex! 6:06 Yee-doggie!
  • 2 1
 deadly hole at 5:20 +
  • 1 0
 Cool video. Eye opener
  • 2 1
 BCPOV
  • 1 0
 "Fire in the hole"
  • 1 0
 That was good. Thanks
  • 1 0
 nice different video!!
  • 1 0
 Hole*
  • 1 0
 Thats a great video
  • 1 0
 Great vid.
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