Hard Tail Forever - Video

Nov 2, 2016 at 8:37
by COMMENCAL bicycles  
Views: 18,737    Faves: 88    Comments: 1


The new META HT AM is a weapon. A hard tail with 160mm of travel up front is perfect for any type of terrain. Perhaps you simply like a more rigid rig that can take you anywhere and everywhere and if you’re just starting your journey into mountain biking, then it’s the perfect tool to perfect your skills. It’s safe to say that that’s how the world’s best started, not forgetting the rest of us!

All you need to do is sit back and witness Gaetan Vige (multiple junior World Cup DH winner) and see how versatile it is and more importantly, how much fun one can have. HT forever!

Product COMMENCAL META HT AM Pilot Gaetan Vige

Product COMMENCAL META HT AM Pilot Gaetan Vige

Product COMMENCAL META HT AM Pilot Gaetan Vige
Product COMMENCAL META HT AM Pilot Gaetan Vige

Product COMMENCAL META HT AM Pilot Gaetan Vige

There’s not just the Race version (as seen in the video) on offer, we also have the Origin and Essential models in the HT AM family too. So no matter what your budget, you can enjoy a far from entry-level bike which is guaranteed to suit any ability of rider and perhaps, more importantly, enable progression for those just starting out.

Images for Commencal Meta AM HT video
META HT AM RACE 650B Black 2017
Travel: 160mm
Fork: RockShox Lyric RC
Transmission: SRAM NX 1x11
Brakes: AVID DB3 200mm/180mm
Price: 1 599 € / US$ 1,599 / CAD$ 2,099

Images for Commencal Meta AM HT video
META HT AM ESSENTIAL 650B Orange 2017
Travel: 160mm
Fork: RockShox Yari RC
Transmission: SRAM X5 2x9
Brakes: AVID DB1 200mm/180mm
Price: 1 299 € / US$ 1,299 / CAD$ 1,699

Images for Commencal Meta AM HT video
META HT AM ORIGIN 650B Yellow 2017
Travel: 140mm
Fork: RockShox Sektor Silver RL
Transmission: SRAM X5 2x9
Brakes: TEKTRO HD M285 200mm/180mm
Price: 999 € / US$ 999


MENTIONS: @COMMENCALbicycles




101 Comments

  • + 57
 Good timing after that anti-hardtail opinion piece.

#HTforever
  • + 9
 I don't think that piece was "anti hardtail". It was just saying not everyone needs to learn on a hardtail. I didn't learn on a hardtail and I feel like I'm a decent rider with solid fundamentals (I don't just blow through the middle of everything simply because I've always had a FS). That being said, I think all-mountain hardtails look like a riot to ride and I would love to have one.
  • + 4
 @jdreynolds2: The piece wasn't openly anti hardtail, but it was certainly biased.
Also brought hardtail haters out of the woodwork.
  • + 3
 @Buggyr333: ...and the defensive hard-tail-huggers.
  • + 43
 #HTforever
  • + 23
 I love a good hardtail but 160mm up front is way too much in my opinion. The front is writing cheques the back can't cash
  • - 2
 Surely if you screw up a landing and the front has too much squish, won't that throw you over the bars if you're caught off guard? I know the HA is already slack to make up for it, but in the wrong moment isn't there a greater chance of a good ol' scorpion?
  • + 26
 You know that you can bend your knees when you're riding...right?
  • + 8
 Just set up the fork badly, and you're set.
  • + 2
 @mattvanders amen brother, I went through this to and fro when building my HT. Settled on 140mm as the optimal for my style of riding.

NB: Clown wheels
  • + 2
 @samoooli: I've got a trek stache 29er, through a mixture of thing (130mm fork, bigger front tyre than rear, and most importantly an off set head set) it's at 65.5" ha, slacker than some enduro bikes (looking at sc and spesh at the moment). It rips! I wouldn't want more travel on the front, though could be tempted with something slacker like a custom btr or a last
  • + 1
 @Kramz: Sick. Supermonsters on the Imperial. Ultimate stairset bike, lol
  • + 13
 I have have spent the last few years looking for the most fun bike out there. I've owned a carbon demo, a few dirt jumpers, a 2016 Enduro, Santa Cruz heckler and a few others. All of which were great bikes, but this summer I bought an entry level fuse, and it has been my go to bike ever since. No, it's not any faster than the other bikes, but I'm not a racer, I just ride for fun. And it's a metric butt ton of fun. I'm now looking to sell pretty much all my bikes and by a dope hardtail. Yolo.
  • + 7
 What's a metric button? Is that smaller than an eight ball?
  • + 1
 Ragley blue pig my favorite bike now!
  • + 1
 Same story here! I went through several FS bikes before I got a good deal on a Fuse. I liked it so much that I sold my other bike and upgraded to lighter wheels, carbon bar, and a RS Pike up front. It's so much fun that I don't care if its fast or not.
  • + 8
 Information from official site:
FRAME WEIGHT 30,40 lbs / 13,79 kg
BIKE WEIGHT 4,62 lbs / 2,1 kg
www.pinkbike.com/photo/14109672
Maybe if I put some more stuff on my frame my bike would be lighter...))))

PS: like HT, like commencal.
  • + 9
 Almost makes me want to sell my FS and get a HT! Almost. Maybe someday I can have two bikes Smile
  • + 6
 I do have two bikes ... one HT, ONE FS and let me tell you... The HT is losing ground but it's not jus about the bike...
  • + 3
 @ulissesportela: is it a hardtail like the one in this video or a more conventional hardtail?
  • + 1
 @jdreynolds2: you may have a point there
  • + 11
 Willing to buy your FS..
  • + 3
 Good video but not as good as the older one from a few years back showing the 2014 HT AM 26 in Pink. Love my Commencal HT AM 26 with 160mm Mattoc up front. Thrown allot at it and still going strong. Most of all puts a smile on my face when I see it or go for a ride on it.
  • + 2
 I think a lot of people forget that expensive full-suspension bikes are more expensive, require more maintenance, and generally have a shorter lifespan. Hardtail's offer a great way for someone to enter the mountain biking world, it did for me and it might not have if my only options were full-suspension bikes with price tags over $2k for a low end spec. Just some food for thought, cheers
  • + 1
 "I think a lot of people forget that expensive full-suspension bikes are more expensive"

That'll be why they're called "expensive full-suspension bikes", then...
  • + 2
 Loved that little 360! very cute Had my 2017 Commencal for over a week but a bent mech hanger in transit has delayed play. She's just been sat in the front room taunting me! New hander arrived yesterday and it's on like donkey kong, she's gonna get it tomorrow and Saturday!
  • + 2
 Been debating getting one of these to ride the mellow trails to keep up my fitness. A little bummed the 2017 ditched the dropper post the 2016 had. The steel version is so sick in person too.
  • + 1
 From the most expensive HT, the purple one: "More comfortable than aluminum, with more flex and grip, everything is simpler. There’s no fuss here, no noise, just pure enjoyment."

They claim CrMo steel is better than Al, if so, why not make all their HT bikes CrMo? And I was under the impression that Al was more expensive (as carbon is to Al) than steel?
  • + 1
 Not true, high quality steel is the same price if not more expensive at times. However it's more than just the price, a beginner that will buy the lower end aluminum versions won't reap the advantages of the steel and it will just be extra weight and mantinece if they scratch it.
  • + 3
 Serious question- what type of racing would one do on a 160mm hard tail? Enduro-ish? Bike looks sweet and all, but just wondering...
  • + 2
 Downieville maybe?
  • + 2
 Cant wait to show up to my local endure race in full spandex and a areo helmet
  • + 7
 freeride.....go up road or trail, go down trail fast...
  • + 9
 I actually raced the Finnish enduro series on a hardtail with a 160 fork. Not very competitive against the full sussers, but there's a separate hardtail class. Stupid and fun.
  • + 2
 oh don't be such a collin!
  • + 5
 @collinp In some enduro races there's hardtail category. Same trails but of course you cannot go as fast as with a FS - but it's fun and you compete with the rest of the HT lovers. Hardtails are fun and make you a better rider.
  • + 1
 I love hardtails so much but this article just made me torn I have to decide between the meta or Nukeproof scout
  • + 4
 Megavalance!!!! Im not kidding, someone won it before with single speed hardtail.
  • + 2
 @bikeordie2772: forget em both, go steel
  • + 1
 I've enduro'd on my hardtail. Slow as death but awesome. People gave me props just for surviving, which is more than I'd get for coming in 6th in my class on a proper bike. Smile
  • + 1
 @TugboatComplex: weight is my only concerne I may sound like a weight weenie but the difference is huge. Also price.
  • + 2
 @bikeordie2772: I'm about a month in riding a new nukeproof scout, super fun so far!
  • + 2
 @Goodnyou: I'm probably get a scout.
  • + 1
 @bikeordie2772: 28lb ain't very heavy...
  • + 4
 Is it playing sped up on anyone else computer?
  • + 0
 Hate to say it but I think a few clips were sped up in the editing process.. Big No-No in my book
  • + 4
 @jcman92: What a tease. I didn't notice anything obviously sped up, but it was over way too fast. Never enough hardcore hardtails!
  • + 2
 @jcman92: doesn't look like any of the clips were sped up really, Gaetan Vige is incredibly pinned so i guess that might be why you think it's sped up
  • + 1
 @jcman92: to me it almost looked like a glitch in the player or something
  • + 1
 @Co2x2: Could be.... only one that looks suspect is at the 0:25 second mark... not hating. Sweet vid for a sweet line of bikes.
  • + 1
 These bikes have an almost identical comparable spec to my 2007 Marin Rocky Ridge hard tail, which still is one of the most fun bikes I've ever ridden, finally other companies are catching up.
  • + 4
 Why not have both?
  • + 2
 Lots of trailing questions in my head: rider vs. bike? 27.5" vs. 29"? Steel vs. aluminium?
  • + 1
 29er steel. on the hardtail the increased rollover capability is key in my opinion. and steel is less rash than aluminum. check out the kona honzo, the chromag rootdown/surface, or the 2soulscycle quarterhorse. or a salsa / surly.
  • + 1
 Still a soldier by ancient astronauts I love that song, I was listening to the song the other day and thinking hour awesome it would be in amtb video
  • - 1
 *Not shown in video, chain falling off virtually all the time, wheel bearings packing up after one wet ride and QR skewer constantly coming loose. Sold my 2016 Meta and bought an Orange crush, world of difference in quality.
  • + 1
 Love my hardtail, but riding like that on one is exhausting. Horses for courses.
  • + 1
 They copied the Matter Slay Ride. Been around much longer than this bike!!
  • + 2
 Lyric over Pike?
Interesting.
  • - 2
 Yeah 160mm is way to much for a hardtail.
  • + 7
 Lyrik is the step up fork from the pike, so it makes sense.
  • - 1
 @thenotoriousmic: All hat and no cattle. Business in the front, jk in the rear.
  • + 4
 XC angles suck for rowdy/fun riding. Long travel forks give you the geo you need without lowering the HT and needing a big stack/riser on top of it. Having ridden two 140mm hardtails for the last several years, I really don't see the point in going shorter than that. Doubt an extra 20mm would change my mind.
  • + 1
 @AllMountin: yeah your right I've got 140mm fork on my hardtail and is there really going to be that much difference once you take into account sag?
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: the angles are not the problem. Yes longer travel forks can slack out the HA but what happens when the fork is fully compressed...the angles chachange mge that much more. Personally I don't know why they dont design these bikes with a slack head angle and 120mm very progressive front suspension. Less OTB head angle change when fully compressed. Heck if you can deal with zero suspension in the back why the need for soo much in the front.
  • + 1
 @inverted180: They do design bikes just like this, Whyte 900 range, Stanton bikes, Orange HT's, Bird HT's just to name a few. They are all the rage over here in the UK, Very long and slack with a 130-140 fork. I have the Whyte 909 and its a very fun bike to hoon on.
  • + 1
 Chromag Rootdown: 29er, 160mm fork, 66 degree head angle, and 415mm chainstays. 75 degree seat angle.
Best bike ever.
  • + 1
 @PeterWojnar: 160mm geo changing fork is not ideal for a hardtail. That was my point.
  • + 1
 @inverted180: my hardtail disagrees.
  • + 1
 @PeterWojnar: curious how often you bottom the fork out? Also curious what being lunged 6" down and forward would feel like.
  • + 1
 @inverted180: Probably bottom out once or twice per ride. Doesn't feel anything like what you think. If it helps you understand, I sold my Altitude Rally edition to buy my rootdown after trying one.
  • + 1
 @PeterWojnar: I will have to hold off my opinion until I get the chance to try it. It doesnt make sense in my mind but there has to be something to it.
  • + 2
 Looks fun, but still way too much jarring on the spine for me.
  • + 2
 Why does it have to have a 10x135 axle? Who does that?
  • + 1
 Imho it's a good idea, the rear end is waaaay too rigid and I think it can help making it a little bit more flexy (I've got the 2015 model)
  • + 1
 You can use 10mm QR, 10mm through bolt, or a 12x135 hub with a step down axle. Yea 12x142 is nice but u can get 10mm dropout stiff enough. At least it's not Boost!
  • + 1
 Huh. Well, I have a HT with 10x135 in the rear and I feel no flex... because the small bump chatter totally obscures it, if it's there. Never ridden a HT with anything else, now that I think of it. Anyone know if it's better?
  • + 1
 I agree. 135x10 wtf?
Would love to build one of the these up from frame, but I wouldn't build a 650b 135x10 rear wheel. Seems crazy. Wish it was 142, I would be all in.
  • + 2
 I love how he's wearing the Fox Metah on the Commencal Meta HT ;P
  • + 2
 Makes me want to sell my Trance and buy one!!!
  • + 7
 Sold my reign and bought the steel one. Love it. Best decision.
  • + 1
 @cunning-linguist: Really!?!?! Interesting, i actually got ripped off hardcore on my trance i bought it un seen....really wanting to save for a new bike off of the shelf, unsure if i want a hardtail or a Commencal AM (dually version of the AM HT).
  • + 2
 @cunning-linguist: Sold my Trance frame for my META HT 26 and don't look back!
  • + 1
 @cunning-linguist: sold my slash and built up a surge, made my local trails fun again and still very capable on rowdy terrain.
  • + 1
 @TugboatComplex: Reckon you could even shred it on the occasional DH track?? Not too rowdy, its a home built track so nothing to extreme just a couple of singles and drops etc.
  • + 2
 @melias24: yeah I use mine for everything. The way I see it is that once upon a time, not so long ago, 160mm travel was loads, plus the travel we had then was crap too, so actually it's more than capable. My mates all moan I could be faster on a full sus again, but it's about enjoyment for me. I don't wanna win races, I like the thought of the downhill lasting longer, it's better value for the uphill!!!!
  • + 0
 If you just aren't comfortable going fast or flying through rock gardens, i agree stick with a hardtail. They can be useful.
  • + 1
 If he could ride like that on flats id be impressed
  • + 1
 Oh Commencal, I wish your sizing wasn't so small.
  • + 1
 ^This. I'm 162cm so naturally fit small frames. I rode a friend's medium Meta AM HT and it was fine, despite the 44cm seat tube. In fact, my current bike is S and still longer than Commencal's L. Wheelbase is on the short side too, maybe their designer loves that BMX feel? Or maybe the short geo works best on Commencal's local trails.

I like what they've done with the seatstays on the steel Meta ht though, I'd love to test ride it.
  • + 2
 @justwan-naride: I would like to ride that bike too. It's shame, we all like playful and nimble bikes I guess, but I can't see myselft riding confortable with the L size (my height is 176cms), it's not even about a stable bike but fiting. I think Commencal doesn't know yet that now we use dropper posts and short stems and that's not compatible with long seat tubes and short top tubes like road bikes, altleast for most of all (that doesn't include basketball players looking riders that complain about short seat tubes).
  • + 0
 Love this bike. Last two years' worth anyway.
  • + 1
 Video will not play?
  • + 0
 I want this in 29"
  • + 0
 sweet bike!!
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