First Look: Canfield Brothers Riot

Apr 23, 2015 at 17:06
by Canfield Brothers  

Canfield Brothers Riot

Ever since our first experience on the wagon-sized wheels, we always loved the 29er concept; It just screams speed and charges through everything! Uphill, downhill—these wheels are fast. The downside is that most 29ers just weren't as fun to ride. In 2011, we launched the Yelli Screamy, the first 29er with short chainstays. Playful and nimble, the Yelli changed people's perception of the handling characteristics of 29ers. Here we are in 2015 and the Canfield Brothers Riot pushes the bar the further than it’s ever been pushed in the 29er full suspension world, boasting the most aggressive 29er geometry to hit a pedal bike. Coupling 140 millimeters (5.5 inches) of patent pending Canfield Balance Formula suspension with the slack-and-low geometry Canfield Brothers is known for and radically short 414-millimeter (16.3-inch) chainstays, the Riot is the most fun and aggressive full-suspension 29er to hit the trail.

Canfield Brothers Riot

bigquotesEver since our first experience on the wagon-sized wheels, we always loved the 29er concept; It just screams speed and charges through everything! Uphill, downhill - these wheels are fast.

Canfield Brothers Riot

Features:

● 7005 aluminum
● Patent pending Canfield Balance Formula Suspension
● 200mm x 57mm Cane Creek Inline included, DB Air CS upgrade option available
● 140mm travel
● Super short 414mm chainstays
● 142 x 12mm Maxle rear axle
● Stealth seatpost compatible
● Tapered headtube
● 15mm pivot bearings
● Anodized black and factory raw frame options
● Six link color options
● Available in Small, Medium, Large and X-Large

$2100 USD, with Cane Creek Inline
$2275 USD, with Cane Creek DB Air CS

Shipping August 2015

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177 Comments

  • + 90
 First time I think might want ride a 29er
  • + 59
 I had that feeling when Evil realesed the Following
  • + 14
 Ride Stumpy 29 Evo and you'll buy one
  • - 13
flag keystonebikes (Apr 26, 2015 at 5:23) (Below Threshold)
 best part is, if u dont like the 29" wheels, 26 or 27 with a 160 fork will not look out of place on this thing. 16.3 inch chainstays are shorter than my 26!
  • + 38
 22 mm bottombracket drop will keep you from pedaling though...
  • - 2
 feeblesmith - only if you are cranking granny ring, and if you do that in Sweden... you should be ashamed of yourself Big Grin We stigcyklister ban you forever if you don't run single ring!
  • + 1
 How so?
  • + 7
 3/4" drop on a 13 3/4" high bb isnt too low to pedal. that is if u go 27.5 and put a 160 fork on it. of course there are plenty of those already out there. i was more just making a point about the super short chainstays.
  • + 3
 if you use a relatively hard gear 32t front - 36t rear or higher, then your chance of rock strikes diminishes greatly, and Sweden is relatively flat, with little moutnains, hence my joke.
  • + 9
 It doesn't get much love as the smaller sibling of the Enduro 29....but the Stumpy Evo 29 is an amazing bike. I went BACK to one after buying an Enduro 29.
  • - 14
flag Chuvak (Apr 26, 2015 at 7:00) (Below Threshold)
 I still will be a d*ck about 26 inch and tell gay jokes about 29 and 27,5
  • - 10
flag Reinforcer (Apr 26, 2015 at 7:59) (Below Threshold)
 No Boost? No point buying then, since the stupid Boost standard will eventually replace the 142mm rear axle. Probably the next year Riot will have Boost, just saying.
  • + 41
 No boost, but 414mm stays... There goes the line that designers need Boost to make niners with short stays...
  • + 5
 Looks like a sweet bike! I'm impressed that the not so long ago blasphemous phrase, "Most 29ers just weren't as fun to ride" no longer causes the leg shavers to tie up the rest of us to stakes and burn us alive. Glad we could evolve and admit it--and improve the bike so it's "fun". Lol.
  • + 8
 doesn't appear to take a front derailleur, hence no boost necessary
  • + 1
 Touche.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns what if I'm afraid I might get sued?
  • + 0
 Good looking bike but the short rear centre length would put me off. BB is 10mm too high too.
  • + 0
 Who was supposed to sue you @spaced?
  • - 3
 Everybody is forgetting about the greatness that is the camber evo, cant beat 330mm bb height, better than having short chainstays imo
  • - 1
 I fear that Boost will replace the 142mm axle just like how 27.5" replaced 26". I mean look how obsolete 26" is now.
  • + 1
 as much as I appreciate that concept, one thing must be said: 414mm chainstays on a 29er Fully with decent tires are ONLY possible with one chainring or with two chainrings AND boost. Even with the 430mm of the Specialized Enduro you will get troubles with the front derailleur if you're running tyres above 2,3".
  • + 0
 No front derailleur, Oh my Big Grin
  • + 1
 ^^^Yeah, that's a concern of mine too. I guess I will just have to get stronger. I'm really liking this frame to eventually replace my SB95a, which is set up a 2x10.

I hear their is a new Yeti 29er in the works with the Infinity switch, I'll bet it probably only comes in carbon and I'm not a fan of carbon bike frames yet (or press fit BB's).
  • - 2
 Flat - 29 win
Uphill - 29 win
In & out of corners is where the 29 fails BUT unless you're riding a super technical track, the 29 wins. Can't debate the look of the wagon wheels though, gotta live with that one.

I despised 29er's until I tried one myself. I hate how my epic looks, but the satisfaction comes from the speed on the track... unless it's super technical.
  • - 2
 Nonsense.
  • + 2
 Im just waiting to see what santa cruz does, if they make their tall boy LT more slack or what, at this point im wanting a carbon version of a bike like this.
  • + 0
 Boost sucks.. Id rather have 142 or 150mm
  • + 22
 tricked out placement on that seat tube. other than that, it looks almost like a banshee who's pivots are placed strategically to avoid any patent infringement, haha.
  • + 8
 comes out of same factory (Pacific Cycles) as Banshee
  • + 7
 I was just about to say, it looks like a Phantom
  • + 18
 Even so. It is not designed by the same people. Not even close. But yes there is similarities. Making a unique looking vpp frame today is difficult as there is allot of them out there. But performnce will differ very as the different brands want their product to perform better than the other, and make their own geo unique specs. Millimeters here and the do allot performancewise. As the links are not huge like kona links etc. Anyways. The frame looks good. Thumbs up for that.
  • + 4
 Yeah looks a lot like my phantom but there are some distinct differences, would like to ride it that's for sure
  • + 1
 Yeah the phantom doesn't have the sweeping downtube that this has.. but saying that this looks like the Banshee isn't a bad thing.. they make gorgeous bikes. I've got a Rune V2 and I love the look of frames that use that kind of VPP.
  • + 3
 You think this looks like a banshee? It looks like a balance to me.

Take a look at the legend, and then take a look at the kinematics of the legend's linkage, and then look at the jedi's linkage and kinematics, and then realise that the only difference is the axle path.

One is high pivot and one is not. One has an idler pulley and one doesn't. One is over a decade old in design and production, one isn't.
  • + 3
 That said, I respect the low center of gravity that was accomplished on the legend, the geo is completely different, and it looks like a dramatically different bike, It's just that, I won't keep quiet if people talk like the canfield brothers are ripping off the aesthetic of a company that blatantly ripped off the linkage of the cfb's flagship bike, their baby, their legacy, whatever you want to call the legend the jedi is.
  • + 6
 Kinda went off on a little butthurt tangent there didn't ya.. but it's a nice looking bike. You can unclench.
  • + 4
 yaya, it was fun
  • + 1
 @mayhemsport - it's not a VPP. VPP links rotate in opposite directions. Giant, Banshee, Canfield and DW links rotate in the same direction.
  • + 13
 After recently changing my 29er for a 650b I swore I would never go back to 29. This bike had just changed my mind....and its made of metal thank god!!
  • + 10
 And I've been negative propped for saying this is a great bike....you twat!
  • + 6
 I cancelled out the bad vibes for you buddy
  • + 5
 Welcome to pinkbike. You could say "I personally really like the colour blue" and get neg propped.
  • + 8
 @panaphonic Apparently you can get neg propped just for pointing out why people get neg propped. Tough crowd...
  • + 6
 Lol yeah I reckon. The irony of it.
  • + 7
 This bike really gives lie to the stupid Boost design- "there's no way we can have short chainstays on 29ers without it".

No, it's simple- get rid of the front derailleur and you have so much more freedom to play with geo. Screw axle standards, just trim the unnecessary FD and profit.
  • + 9
 That looks fun as fuck! Tell that slacker Gollub to call the shop tomorrow!!! Do want!
  • + 1
 you rang!?!
  • + 2
 Took you long enough! You best not be working and shit!!
  • + 1
 Just got back....had to make sure all the demo bikes are set up for wheelies and skids!
  • + 1
 Dammit!! Send me one!! I cool! I do have references...
  • + 5
 Another awesome bike that has a ridiculous Stack height(and HT length) for tall guys on the larger sizes. Necessitating huge numbers of spacers and hirise bars , etc. to get a decent position.
When you make the XL with a 6"+TT let me know. This and the Evil Following are just dumb designs for larger riders.
  • + 1
 You'll notice the Geo chart omits the Stack height to prevent direct comparison of this dimension with other comparable frames.
There is a reason for this and they are aware of it or else there would be a stack dimension in that chart.
Others do the same when they have long chainstays or other dimensions that don't sell well. What is missing on these charts is as important (maybe more) than what is there.
  • + 6
 Canfield brothers are the best in the industry to deal with. You are mistaken if you think they are trying hold any info back.
  • + 9
 The stack height is listed on the Geo charts on the Canfield website, so they are hiding them in plain sight. Canfield doesn't list the stack height on the Balance either. Get out the tin foil hats. I do agree that sizing for taller riders is tough, period. Of course the usual knock on longer travel 29ers was the stack height is too high. You can't please everyone all the time. At least you have the option to run spacers or higher rise bars.
  • + 4
 Wingnut-My apologies. Interesting that PB omits it. It is just very important as I shop for a new frame and it is annoying as fuck that all the new cool stuff comes in minibike sizes only. BTW-Stack height for XL is 612. Ridiculous low. I would need 50-60mm in spacers. Next.
  • + 3
 No problem. In Pinkbike's defense, the above posted is the original Geo chart. The stack height is on the updated chart on the website.
  • + 2
 True.
I just sold my Canyon Spectral, the suspension did not work - but stack (650) and reach (487) are perfect on the Canyon.
Seattube is fine with 520, if you use a Reverb.
Only other bike I know in that size is the Alutech Tofane.
All those Transiton, Banshee and Canfield bikes are way too low for 6'8"....
  • + 1
 Ummm.... Why do you think a taller rider needs a shorter distance between hands and shoulders???
  • + 4
 oh I get it... you think your bike should look taller because you are taller. LOL
  • + 3
 I'm in agreement. Not sure why a taller rider would want such a short head tube. I hate adding spacers just to make the bike fit right. I was hoping this bike would provide a good alternative when I need a new bike soon. But the E29 has 4cm more head tube a 1.5cm more chainstay. I'm just not convinced that given the same effective seat angle that an even shorter chainstay will help - except to put me way too far off the back?
  • + 0
 I mean the E29 has 4cm more stack and 1cm more head tube.
  • + 8
 This is the bike I wanted years ago when I first rode my yelli screamy. 10/10 would ride that riot.
  • + 1
 Presumably you rate the yelli? I like hardtails and wouldn't mind a big wheel one but it must be able to enjoy taking abuse. Is the yelli everything they say it is?
  • + 4
 Yelli Screamy all the way home. Love mine
  • + 7
 Check out their EPO, finally a carbon all mountain HT!
  • + 2
 Kona honzo if you like steel. Amazingly fun to ride, no front der either. Check out this thread if you habe a couple hours time Smile
forums.mtbr.com/kona/honzo-build-thread-post-your-builds-here-750534-86.html
  • + 4
 I started the Honzo build thread linked above. It is a great bike! I now own a Canfield EPO and it's like a Honzo on EPO. It's "-er" everywhere that counts: lighter, slacker, stiffer, and longer. I'd be happy with either, but I'm happi-er with the EPO.
  • + 2
 The Yelli is an amazing bike. The only bike in my stable that doesn't get replaced yearly. It was so far ahead of its time.
  • + 4
 That could be the first 29er that doesn't hurt my eyes - so many look ridiculous IMHO, with the wheels so big in relation to frame (and sometimes rider!), but this Canfield looks so well balanced aesthetically. I'd like to try a 29er one of these days - doubt I'll be leaving 26 for a long time yet, but still interested to see what the ride is actually like! Smile
  • + 4
 Truly. The canfield brothers have the best aesthetic sense in the industry in my opinion.
  • + 1
 The only thing that looks odd are all of the spacers under the stem.
  • + 5
 This looks like a blast. 414mm chainstays with clearance for meaty rubber? Get outta here.

I can't tell from the pictures, is the BB threaded or pressfit?
  • + 12
 Its threaded yeyy
  • + 8
 Looks threaded.
  • + 12
 All of our bikes, including our new carbon EPO, feature threaded BB's for creak-free riding!
  • + 3
 Judging by the reach, bike cockpit seems pretty long. 419 for a small is huge. Sweet bike though, pretty awesome that they managed 414mm chainstays, which is pretty short, even compared to 26 and 27.5 bikes. I ride a Canfield The One and would not hesitate to buy another bike from those guys.
  • + 5
 Are those seat tube lengths for real??

508mm & 533mm on large and XL!

It's like going back to road bike geo......
  • + 4
 You mean logical, unlike the Process 111 XL which is a mere 18.3". That's quite ridiculous.
  • + 1
 Judging by the amount of spacers on that thing, someone is finding that reach to be a bit much.
  • + 5
 Don't be silly, there is no such thing as too much reach... modern geometry man Big Grin
  • + 2
 with all those spacers, whomever set this one up either needs sum high rise bars or nxt size up. proly long femur/not long arms.
  • + 5
 29ers worth owning:

Evil Following
CB Riot
Banshee Phantom
Process 111

Stanton Sherpa
CB yelli / nimble
Titus Fireline EVO
  • + 4
 just a few more...Banshee Prime & Paradox, Kona Honzo/ Taro, Cromag Rootdown, SC Tallboy, Salsa Horsethief......
  • + 3
 I would thrown the Rocky Instinct on that list as well.
  • + 4
 transition smuggler
  • - 1
 what about the on one codine... any good?
  • - 1
 After trying and buying it .. i would say Cube Stereo 140 ... i'm having hella fun rides on it ..
  • + 0
 Add the Trek Remedy to the club as well
  • - 1
 Transition Covert 29 is a rad bike also. I love mine!
  • + 6
 Looks like I'm going to be broke again...
  • + 5
 Id buy this purely on the fact that it still has 142x12
  • + 1
 @wingnutPA my phantom measures at 66.3 head angle with my pike at 130mm in a size large in the slickest position.
Some prefer longer chain stays as well. Like I said before I would really like to try this bike out since it seems it could be a better bike for me since it has more travel and wouldn't mind trying the shorter chain stays so I can manual it a little easier.
  • + 1
 I had a Phantom last year, great bike. I loved it, but I prefer a little more travel.
  • + 2
 yeah im finding that out myself too, i like the fun of having the short travel and being low to the trail and having to get creative with lines but im finding myself getting pretty rowdy on it at times and wondering how far i can push it.
  • + 5
 Canfield does it again. This bike looks sick.
  • + 3
 Why doesn't anyone seem to have switched onto DHR2's such an improvement over the DHF
  • + 2
 Just got a new DHR on the rear of my trail bke. Its the best rear rear tire out, Havent tried one in front. It seemes it worked for Jared Graves last season, its prob a great front too.
  • + 2
 Don't they weigh a lot more than DHF?
  • + 2
 In my experience they weigh less than the DHF.
  • + 1
 I got a 2.4 DHR in the back and a 2.5 DHF up front. Not sure about the weight, I use Hans Dampf for my weight-weenie wheelsets. Hans are my "XC" tires, Lol!.
  • + 5
 Pricing is great.
  • - 12
flag eurospek (Apr 26, 2015 at 6:27) (Below Threshold)
 No it isnt. You can get a Process 111 for $600 less.
  • + 12
 Who in thier right mind wouldnt pay the extra 600 for a way better more unique brand
  • + 7
 ...and 29mm more travel
  • + 2
 That is one good lookin' bike. Not bad for a 29er!

But... where's the idler?! :p
  • + 3
 Shipping August 15th...boooood
  • + 3
 I really hope I get to own one of their bikes someday... Maybe even two.
  • + 4
 As usual! Amazing!
  • + 3
 I like the head angle most.
  • + 2
 If only they did a Spech Enduro trade-in program.
  • + 2
 CBF suspension... yep, like it.
  • + 1
 Pretty small bike having a 47" WB for XL think it would be better closer to 50" mark....
  • + 1
 it's got 5.5 inches of travel buddy. The reach is really long, it's as slack as it should be, the chainstays could be longer but you could get chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla. Dunno what to say... it's longer than a lot of dh bikes and the chainstays on it are shorter than any current dh bike.
  • + 1
 Just got done testing a WFO longer travel. It needed more reach. I am riding a Megatrail now it has a 26" TT a 48.5" Wheelbase and 165MM of travel. Did I mention the 12.7" BB?
  • + 2
 How tall are you? The riot wheelbase is pretty good considering the chainstays are like nearly an inch shorter than the megatrail,. The xl riot is longer than the large megatrail you seem to love, in spite of the fact that the CSs are shorter, giving it a longer front centre which is better and more modern geometry.

You seem to be riding a large megatrail anyway judging by the geo you listed. So idunno about your criticisms anymore

In the end, it's not a small bike, you're probably just too tall to ride a standard geo bike.
  • + 2
 I want it. Hopefully it's stiff too.
  • + 1
 Sadly despite so much metal no it's not. Carbon version in 2018 will solve that.
  • + 2
 So many spacers under those bars. Why?

Love CBs bikes.
  • + 2
 Head tube is pretty short
  • + 2
 Why not? HT length runs short these days. I run 35mm stack on my XL Honzo and chromag osx bars which only has a 110mm HT. Yes, I had my bars slammed. And then my back hurt.
  • + 8
 According to the thread on MTBR, the bike pictured is a one-off custom geometry for Lance.

What Lance said:

The size of the frame in the picture is a custom size (not production) that fits ME perfectly. Some of you may remember, we built our bikes for quite a few years with some odd sizing, it was my exact sizing that I like to ride.
Chris and I are both 6' tall, both DH type guys and wanting the most nimble geo we can make. So when I had the opportunity to make a perfect size for me, well I did. It's a medium/large, this is only a prototype sizing, not production.
  • - 9
flag banjberra (Apr 26, 2015 at 12:28) (Below Threshold)
 I GET THE OBSESSION WITH HIGH STACK HEIGHT!!! White people sit in chairs/bikes all day and have no hamstring flexibility anymore so they cant ride with proper form and need to gimp their center of gravity to overcome physical weakness! Who would have thought that "proper" bike fit understanding was based on a rusty old body. No wonder I think everyone is seemingly clueless with their bike fit. if they weren't they would be in constant pain! Ya'll need to take up yoga.
  • + 2
 banjberra - White people, really?
Look, I waited for years to get the long Front center and then everyone screws me on the stack height except Turner and Pivot. I'll be happy on my new Burner , but the lack of stack on 29ers is disturbing. 26ers I get it.
Truth is, us old guys keep the industry profitable. If we aren't happy all you youngsters with your flexy hammies get a lot less options.
  • - 5
flag banjberra (Apr 26, 2015 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 I'm white so it's okay.

But yeah you're right, but you should still do yoga. It makes riding much more rewarding and then bikes can all be designed properly instead. It is a white people thing to have short hamstrings. Your age doesn't have to limit your flexibility. try to touch your toes when you get out of bed, when you're done riding, when you're about to go to bed, etc.

But yeah, you're right. I was confused about why people were setting up and teaching bike fit "improperly" but it is proper, for an improper body. Most modern white people have improper bodies and simply can't ride a bike that is designed purely for performance. It's probably just as common in young people as it is in old people so it's not an age thing. People just neglect their bodies and biking itself shortens hamstrings.
  • - 3
 That post should be deleted for being racist. As for bar height, ever heard of personal preference?
  • + 3
 The preference is performance, after taking into account compensation for physical limitation. I could have said western people I guess but like, I'm white so I feel obligated to use white people the way I did. I'm entitled to free speech in this sense.
  • + 3
 @banjberra any more info regarding how biking shortens hamstrings would be appreciated. I've been trying to make a comeback after a broken leg. I have the best doctors, doing lots of Yoga, PT, supplements, great diet, staying hydrated. Its taking forever , Wonder if the bike training I'm doing is counter productive to regaining my flexibility?
  • + 6
 @jlhenterprises www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/training/injury-prevention-avoid-hamstring-%E2%80%A8injuries-118874

edit - it's being seated for a long time, and the fact that the legs are never really fully extended on a bike, and your hip flexors are always bent in. it's like you are always sitting on a bike no matter what. It's no good for the hip flexors or your core or your low back or your hamstrings. Every cyclist should take extreme care to make sure they maintain full mobility in these areas.
  • + 2
 @banjberra Thanks for that link! Very helpful
  • + 1
 Damnit sounds like the size I could use being 6' and DH oriented.
  • + 0
 Looks like I'm upgrading my frame this fall. That head tube angle on a 9er should be sweet. I love my The One and didn't get a Balance yet....
  • + 3
 Zero water bottles...
  • + 2
 Anyone knows the frame weight?
  • + 1
 Over 8lbs with a shock. Heavy metal.
  • + 2
 looks dope!
  • + 2
 So tempting...
  • + 1
 not a very original name

www.ghost-bikes.com/riot/?L=5
  • + 1
 I don't know why your comment is being downvoted. This is a perfectly reasonable point. Not to mention that "riot" is a pretty generic name to begin with.
  • + 7
 They could call it "bike" for all I care. Who cares what it's called as long as it's a "Riot" to ride Wink
  • + 4
 well can you imagine if they called it an enduro or a SB6
  • + 4
 There was a Black Market Riot long before there was a Ghost Riot.
  • + 1
 well its even more unoriginal then isnt it Razz

but the black market is not made anymore though is it
  • + 2
 so... Balance or Riot?
  • + 3
 Love my balance. 26" build and a fast ass mofo.
  • + 3
 both...
  • + 1
 Looks super fun. Iam all for these slack 29ers. Best of all worlds.
  • + 1
 The welds are real
  • - 3
 Can anyone say Banshee Phantom, Spitfire and Darkside? It looks like the KS-Link suspension that Banshee just released last year!!! Non-the-less still a super sweet looking frame and I bet it'd rip pretty hard!
  • - 3
 Has no one noticed where the BB is on this bike? The effective STA is 76DEG!! Neat trick to shorten the CS length but this is not going to be nice to pedal unless you like your feet behind you..
  • + 10
 We pushed the limit of travel vs the shortest chainstays possible on the Riot, so the seat tube gets offset forward and then slacked out to get your butt in the right spot. The TT is measured level with the top of the head tube but most people run their seat higher than that. If you measure effective seat tube angle at 32" (a typical inseam) the seat angle is closer to 74.5 degrees effective. Although this might still seem a bit on the steep side, with suspension, as soon as you sag into the travel the seat angle slackens out another couple degrees. Now we're down to about 72.5 degree effective seat tube angle which is spot on. All of this is a difficult balance, but with our 15 years of experience and prototype testing before production, we knew we were on the right track. However, through our Riot testing, Chris and I agreed that we needed to go 1/2 degree steeper than the protos for the perfect uphill seat placement (the important part of seat angle).
  • + 0
 Looks like a sess..... My bad. A Rune.
  • + 0
 Curious if this will fit a 275x3.0...probably not.
  • - 1
 Norco shinobi did the same thing 3 years ago still a very nice bike
  • + 2
 Did what 3 years ago?
  • + 1
 a slacked out 29er with low bb short chain stays and slack head tube like I said both nice 29ers
  • + 0
 But is it boost?
  • - 2
 Nice bike! Anyone who wants to try a 29er should ride the Kona Process 111.
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