Video: Inside the DVO Jade Coil Shock

Feb 7, 2014 at 8:35
by Bryson Martin  

The all new coil shock from DVO Suspension is coming shortly! Talk a walk through all the badass features this shock has to offer straight from the engineer. The Jade has been in development for almost a year now and is about ready for production. This shock has been born on the world cup circuit and is ready to race!

www.dvosuspension.com


291 Comments

  • + 66
 he's just like,.......yer i designed a shock that looks so badass and works way better than anything else out their.....................i don't even care, i was half asleep too
  • + 59
 at least I didn't mumble... haha! They had to corner me to get me in front of the camera. Believe me, I'm insanely excited about this shock and everything else where creating. Dream Job!
  • + 23
 Tom, I think you nailed it in this video! Good job buddy!
  • + 3
 Mikey slaying as usual
  • + 9
 Dreaming of a bike kitted out with green Hope stuff and DVO, can't get enough green!!!!!!
  • + 3
 Thanks Matt!
  • + 2
 Soooo wanna see this on the new operator!!!
  • - 11
flag elanto (Feb 7, 2014 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 I wouldn't risk damaging that shock when the frame snaps tho.....
  • + 4
 That was a great video. No BS, just good people making good suspension. Right on.
  • + 4
 Thanks man, just keeping it real and letting the product speak for itself. Cheers, DVO
  • + 11
 elanto, you had one funny comment in this thread, dont push for another. its not 2002, kona bashing is no longer "cool".
  • + 2
 Not much "inside" going on there, most of it was just what we already know. But If I was a shock manufacture id be pretty bloody secretive with what I'm about to put into the market.

Id be curious to know the numbers and percentages the fins offer with the heat sinking.
  • + 2
 Bike consumers have been trained to shop by weight. All things equal - mfg try to save weight by reducing the amount of oil in their shockproducts to make them look good on paper or kick the oil for air altogether. More oil and bigger oilwetted surface help a lot to transfer and dissipate heat. More so if you use ribs exposed to airstream. My DHX3 would work properly for 1-2 Mins. After that turned into a virtually undamped spring. My latest DHX would last maybe 4 Mins. Keeping a shock linear for extended periods of time - like 10 Mins. would be great. A damper with an large secondary external reservoir might be the answer. 30-60ml of extra oil might go a long way.
  • + 2
 wakaba Id find it hard to believe people choosing a shock based on weight over performance, its partly why we haven't seen air shocks make a big mark on the downhill world cup even thought they manage to shave big weigh off. Its only in recent years when the performance is coming on par with coil that air has been used for the rear shock. Even for the forks air has not been a big player until recent years as more manufactures are able to design a fork that performs as well if not better than the coil. With disciplines like xc where the demands of the shock are not as extreme they are able to get onto the air much earlier. No doubt there are people who are way too focused on weight and for them it will matter but I find it hard to believe manufactures will aim to lower performance with less oil or air so they look good on paper if it sacrifices performance. If that was the case we would have seen DVO ditch the arch support for the fork.
  • + 4
 Less weight means less oil. This is the only place they can shave weight for free. Ti spring, magnesium casts increase cost. Dealers like airdampers because they do not have to stock different springs. Fox and RS run very little oil in their forks. DVO has quite a lot. Weight difference 1lb. All things equal DVO will run smoother, longer and more predictable during a hot run. DVO has inverted forks, gravity fed drip oiling in a low speed app like a fork is an old and proven way to keep things rolling and moving contaminants away from the bearing surface. Steamlocomotives last forever...
  • + 1
 Yeah but what I was getting at was I don't think fox or RS would sacrafice performance for oil weight. They would design the fork to run with the lower oil levels. They are focused on inproving the peroemance noone will sacrafice that for a few hundred grams.

No doubt more oil will produce a great fork feel but how much better will it be on the clock than the others on the market? DVO are entering a strong field with fox and bos.
No doubt they will be competitive but with the added weight and the price tag they better make sure they offer the same improvement on the track to justify it.
  • + 2
 They did. Performance and durability have been compromised by those two brands. Fox stuff is finicky, RS small bump compliance sucks. Manitou and DVO seem to have an edge on both. Fox, BOS, CC and RS products look definitely old at the moment compared to MRP, DVO and Manitou. I am glad I chucked my Boxxer. The DVO plays in a different league, only got 4h on it - smoother and faster.
  • + 1
 want to buy me a set then? haha.
Im still running a boxxer I have to agree small bump is pretty bad, im waiting to do a shim stack adjustment and put on some low friction seals which should make it much better.

Id find the cost hard to justify, even if they are a better fork the the world cup riders are fast on the current crop so the current forks wont be holding me back anytime soon and given I can get a set of the new 40floats for about $1800 here its hard to justify the big price tag when in reality the float will be more than enough. Id like to see some times, ultimately the fork ill choose will come down to the clock not feel.

Are you doing a solid review and any back to back testing wakaba? id be very interested in seeing some real world numbers and personal reviews.
  • + 3
 Got about 4h on the Emerald. Good stiffness. None of the rattly Boxxer feel. The fork, at 60psi, really soaks up small bumps. Seals are well protected and upside down. So less water, mud and dust messing with the bearingsurface. The stanchions hardly get muddy. Knobs are painful to turn. None of that stictious feeling. Axle and hub are tight fit. Brakes are easy to mount and adjust. Biggest difference to a Boxxer is how active the fork stays in corners. Feels faster and more comfortable. So yes, regular forks suddenly look very oldfashioned, upside down is way to go and DVO, Manitou, MRP(White brothers) deliver more choice than RS/Fox. Only thing to improve on DVO - they should offer one with 250mm travel.
  • + 6
 with 250mm travel................O_o eerrrr don't think so that would need a complete re design and only about 3 people would ever buy it for huck bikes
  • + 1
 DVO plz plz plz make a 100-120 mm dj fork
  • + 1
 Thanks wakaba! We are really stoked to hear your feedback and glad you like the Emerald! Let us know if you need any tuning tips and love to hear the feedback! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 I'd like to see what Zink could do with all that awesome DVO stuff!!!!! Probably some pretty awesome flips!!!!
  • + 22
 i will just say...when i opened Pinkbike and saw the news...saw DVO shock..i didnt even scroll down for other news...just went here...
  • + 10
 Awesome!
  • + 3
 Smart move offering it in the super popular 8.5x2.5 size as well. The green will match perfectly with the new Norco RangeC LE green. Now to make a 160mm AM/EnduroBro fork!!!
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 Thanks! Not only will the green match your Norco it will make it come to life! We have a couple Norco's in the shop as test bikes and they have become some of our favorite bikes after the Jade was installed (honest & un-biased)! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 Awesome. Any plans on a 160 fork?
  • + 12
 Heck yes! The Diamond Enduro fork will be our soon (3 months) and will incorporate a lot of the features that the Emerald has.
  • + 3
 Sweet, maybe I won't be buying a Pike.
  • + 5
 Chunter...you should wait!
  • + 0
 The Norco RangeC is still a toss up for me with the Knolly Warden. A full DVO Warden knowing how Knolly shine with a coil shock, hmmmm...
  • + 3
 Oh shit, forgot to mention I'd need it for wagon wheeler. Are you guys making one for a 29er?
  • + 9
 Yup! 26", 27.5", and 29" !
  • + 2
 Awesome! I'll happily wait then. I appreciate you answering my questions as well!
  • + 3
 No problem chunter, its good to be here!
  • + 1
 Looks really good!! Just curious, has DVO tested the Jade on the devinci Wilson?
  • + 3
 p-dub-4: we have done a lot of testing on the Wilson with the Jade and we have a tune that really works awesome for that linkage and spring curve! We would be happy to get it all dialed in for ya if you choose to run a Jade. Cheers, DVO
  • + 3
 Guys, please make your enduro fork in green to match my lime commencal meta or I will haunt your dreams for the rest of your life!
  • + 2
 Awesome, Green stanchions with black lowers for me!
  • + 1
 That would make for one sweet fork! Ok, we are gonna try to make that happen!
  • + 1
 I have a good idea, you make that happen, coupled with the Jade, I live close enough, you use my carbon Range LE, www.pinkbike.com/photo/10116917 as the mule for pics & demo vids and you sell tons! Deal? Wink
  • + 1
 OK, you have deal.
  • + 1
 My inbox will be waiting...
  • + 3
 Martine jebem ti zivot pa di si ti?

guys, awesome job on the shock and the fork, really impressed!
  • + 1
 Thanks man!
  • + 1
 Really interested to know if that's actually Johnson's...one of my after work rides...
  • + 1
 Sick stuff. Who is selling DVO in Canada? NIce that options to the Big 2 are becoming available
  • + 1
 DVO Products can be ordered directly from DVO USA in California by dealers. We already have quite a few shops signed up so hit your local shop up, if they aren't already dealing with us they can call and get we will get the ball rolling! Cheers, DVO
  • + 8
 looks pretty cool, can't wait for them to make an air rear shock!
  • + 14
 Thanks buddy! Working on the air shock now and should be available later in the year.
  • + 4
 DVO Air Shock and Fork, Dream Set Up!
  • + 2
 yes this company will be a game changer!!!! my buddy just picked up the fork, holy shit, it is AMAZING, so plush an stiff, makes me want one superbad haha, DVO fo sho!!!!
  • + 1
 Oh lordy Lord please have a green shaft edition available i would kill for that
  • + 6
 Working on a green shaft! Just need to make nice and durable!
  • + 18
 I'm really impressed with DVO, they're here talkin with customers. This is how all companies should do it!
  • + 3
 oh i just creamed in my pants, i better get some life insurance before you release it, hope it covers blown minds !!
  • + 2
 Too funny!
  • + 4
 You guys need distributor in Canada!
  • + 3
 We have been talking to some guys to represent DVO in Canada, the products are available dealer direct from DVO USA and we will have quite a few shops signed up by the time summer roles around. Plus, we will be in Whistler full force this summer and Fanatico has already signed up as our key shop in the village. Cheers, DVO!
  • + 1
 Will you guys be doing any product development for the XC/Trail side of things? I have a Tallboy that would look good with black and green.
  • + 3
 Definitely on the trail/enduro side of things and later on maybe xc. We want to focus on longer travel suspension (140+) since that's what our speciality is! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 Should get dunbar on board to carry DVO!

dunbarcycles.com
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 Definitely! Dunbar is already on our list to visit when we get some more product in. Thanks for the support!
  • + 4
 I have a suggestion for DVO:

Make a video showing the same rider on the same bike on the same trail, but switch the shocks & forks between yours & a few of the other big names. Dial in their forks according to their mfr recommendations & show us what we're missing it on. Keep it unbiased, but show us what makes your suspension better.

I think there are a lot of us riding Fox & Marzocchi suspension that are receptive to your shocks/forks but aren't going to invest in such an expensive fork just because it comes in a trendy new color & makes teenage boys' panties wet. All these posts about how pretty their bikes will be with your forks doesn't impress me at all. Having an extra $2000 in my bank account for a bike vacation is much more appealing to me than making my bike look trendy.

I've been riding long enough to see more trendy looking high end shocks & forks come & go than I can recall.

I'm not saying this to slight your product. Believe me, I wouldn't waste my time writing all this if I wasn't sincerely interested in keeping me & my bike riding at our best. But this is a very high end investment, and it will take a lot more than a shiny new color and some tech talk to get me off my current suspension.

Does anyone else want to see a real head to head suspension shoot out?
  • + 3
 Hey SkidmarkJohnny, thanks for taking the time to offer your suggestion! We have also thought of doing the same in regards to trail and bench testing and we wanted to give everyone a clear idea of what we are up to and our different approach to suspension design. Maybe down the road we can approach a "head-to-head" test that's unbiased and clear cut. Thus far, everyone that has purchased the Emerald is extremely happy with the purchase and for us, when our customers are happy, we are happy! Cheers, DVO.
  • + 3
 Can you imagine the media and marketing fuss it would cause for a suspension company to design, run, and then publish the results of an "unbiased" shootout between itself and its competitors? Not even (partially) independent third-parties like Pinkbike do shootouts. Your tests are never thorough enough to stand up to serious (scientific) scrutiny, and your results, to the extent anyone even sees the shootout as anything more than a marketing stunt, are swallowed whole by people who already believed the outcome, or are rejected outright be those who didn't already believe it. You potentially poison business relationships in a pretty small industry and accomplish little good. Plus, what is DVO's marketing budget compared to Fox Racing Shox? Let sleeping dogs lie! Under the guise of getting real information out to the consumer, you would really just be amping up a contest between hype machines--because the numbers in their appropriate context that come out of a suspension test lab are simply not interesting to the vast majority of consumers. It would be a contest of who's marketing dudes packaged them best, who picked the raddest 3 minutes of ride footage to edit in between fake graphs, who chose the background music.

If your curiosity is about something that can only be looked at subjectively, then that's how you have to go about it. Rent two bikes. Ride one trail. Pick your favorite. My 2c
  • + 2
 A concrete example for anyone interested in the interplay between science and marketing: It would be feasible to get oil temperature data from a pair of shocks being run through the same 'program' of cycles on a pair of test rigs in the same room. Ambient temperature, airflow, humidity, etc could be tweaked, but conditions would be controlled across Shock A and Shock B. Then the manufacturers of Shock A throw the data into a nice histogram with catchy colors and get it bumped onto Pinkbike's main page: Look, Shock A runs cooler than Shock B. And in the text there would be some engineering-ish 'rule' that bikers are supposed to know and repeat and impress their friends with like "damping performance is temperature sensitive, and so the shock that rund coller had better damping." All the readers are then expected to add 1 + 1 and conclude that Shock A is better.
  • + 4
 The problem (for a scientist) with this scenario is that the context was stripped, and therefore the data are incomplete at best and junk at worst.

First question a scientist asks: are the numbers really different? Sure, 33.4C and 33.6C are different numbers, but do those two numbers reflect true differences? That is a matter for statistics. Sometimes 33.4 and 33.6 are not different!

Second question: if there is a statistical difference in some data (temperatures for example), is there a consequential difference in some other phenomena? A 'statistically significant' difference in temperature does not necessarily mean a 'significant' difference in a related value, like damping performance. Biologists (my field) call this 'biological significance' and I bet engineers have a different term for the same idea. One can imagine a very thorough test that repeatably shows a 0.2C difference between Shocks A and B, but it may be (due to the nature of the particluar engineering context) that only differences of 0.5C or greater result in noticeable performance change.

Do you see why this stuff is totally inappropriate for a business' media/marketing communication? So many places the consumer, the reviwer, the blogger, the marketing dude could be confused. But if you don't say all this stuff, then your 'unbiased' test is a fraud! There are no half measures. You're either doing science or you are not. I prefer companies that don't try to wow the public with fake tech. Just put out a good product and let it speak for you. I think that's just what DVO is trying to do. Good luck!

This has been a lecture by snfoilhat of Berkeley, CA. Thank you and good night.
  • + 1
 Nice work Snfoilhat and I note that the DVO suspension typists haven't come up with any catchy marketing riffs to comment on your very educational and pointed rebuff to internet sensationalism/marketing. To quote the DVO guys-keep up the good work!
  • + 1
 Thanks for the detailed and very informative information Snfoihat! We could do a very straight forward unbiased (in our eyes) testing on oil temperature and how it relates to damping fade between compression and rebound. But how much will that buys us in the consumers eyes? Its hard to say, so we are sticking to making great products and let everyone feel the difference in superior performance and excellent customer service. We will let the product and the company speak for themselves! Cheers, DVO
  • + 3
 I'm not who the little douche with the piss-poor attitude that's neg prop'ing every comment/response is, but why don't you go play out in the street with your scooter because whether you like the product or not DVO is at least decent enough to respond to basically every question/comment posted. Some of us appreciate that especially when, more or less, no other manufacturer does this.
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 *not sure who
  • + 2
 Thanks h82crash, customer service means a lot to us. Our entire company has been built from the perspective of a rider and we understand the complaints/concerns people have with poor service and poor functioning equipment. We feel our job has been done when the customer is out riding their bikes and getting what they pay for. We want to make products that allow that, not something that spends more time in the mail than on their bikes.
  • + 3
 Love the DVO guys, buts its funny to listen to people talk like this has never been done before. Avalanche has had a bladder shock on the market for years that's built to order and custom tuned for your bike, it uses a HUGE reservoir and tons of oil so heating isn't an issue therefor no need for cooling fins, and your probably gonna be in the same price range. Not to mention while the easily removable shim stack would be cool if people knew what they were doing, the truth is THEY DONT! %75 of guys cant even get their spring rates right, the last thing they need to do is try and valve it, you just made a shock that's really easy for idiots to f*ck up.
  • + 1
 Avalanche has the right idea, but their tuning is just flat out wrong. You talk about people not knowing what they're doing, but Avalanche themselves aren't the best, to put it gently. I'm sorry, but when you pay that much for a shock, and then you have to drastically revalve it yourself to get it to feel decent on anything, that's a bit disappointing. Their fork cartridges are "ok", but their shock tuning is just bad.

To give them credit, you're right, they have a very sound concept, bladder, dual stage shimstacks and good piston porting, easy rebuild, very durable, top out and bottom out control, etc. But you really have to fine tune and perfect a product if you want it to get anywhere.
  • + 2
 Thanks buddy! And yes, this in some degree has all been attempted before, especially with Avalanche and they make some great products! But we did go the extra mile in designing a system where the bottom loader on an Emerald has zero oil loss tuning capability and the Jade is almost as easy to work on. Cheers, DVO!
  • + 1
 Six dollars. You are the first person I have heard that had anything bad to say about Avy. I am thinking about sending my Elka stage five to them for a custom tune. Would you suggest against it. If so why exactly.. And as far as the DVO suspension goes.. It all looks promising but it's too much money for the emerald and jade to try an untested product. I'll wait for a year and see how these items perform in the hands of the typical weekend warriors before I spend that kind of cash on something.
  • + 1
 Hey Beer, I have not worked with Avy for about 3 years now, but back then I worked with the guy that did all their tuning and shimstacks. We simply had very different views on how things should be done, and I got a lot of attitude about how he knows best. In the end I got a shock that was way overdamped for my weight, and had to reshim it drastically. Just my personal experience with them. I don't know what services Elka themselves do, but they're a good company and they know their shock very well. If anything I'd try to contact them and see how they can help you out. Good luck!
  • + 1
 Sixkdollars..thanks for the info. My first thought was to go directly to elka but they no longer have a MTB division. They sold all of their spare parts to mrp.
  • + 1
 Huh, didn't know that. I imagine Ronnie @ DVO might help for a case of beer? Smile Push Industries does good work too, they might work on Elkas. Good luck!
  • + 4
 Now I'm not a bad guy. But, if I see you out runnin a set of emeralds up front and a jade at the back, it's quite likely ill try and make love to your bike. Then rob you. Then kill you. Sorry...
  • + 1
 Thats hilarious!
  • + 2
 About 8 months ago, a friend of a friend who works in the bike industry said "DVO will never make it to market". I had a little laugh to myself as I knew 5 guys wouldn't put their livelihoods on the line like this without reaching their goal. So stoked to see the reality is looking even more badass than the dream. Well done DVO. Awesome to see another player in the market. Can't wait to ride your stuff.
  • + 1
 Thanks Kramster! Its not easy but we all have the experience and passion to make it happen. Look forward to having you on the product, cheers!
  • + 1
 Coming from a motorcycle (road racing) background, it's good to hear a company making parts for bikes say these things.

People knew as far back as the late 80's that extra oil resevoirs (which he is referring to as a bladder correct?) had a positive effect on the stability of the oil over the course of an event. Eddie Lawson used to turn his rebound and compression settings a little higher then his ideal knowing that as the race progressed and the oil heated up, his bike would begin to handle better.

Good job DVO. Send one out to the East Coast so I can do some testing for you and show up at races with it. ;-)
  • + 2
 Thanks buddy! We are old moto heads and we know that there are proven designs out there so no use reinventing the wheel, just refining it! Hope to have ya on the product soon!
  • + 1
 Tom's honesty is super refreshing. Lots of companies act as though their ideas (and I mean every single idea they have or minor tweak they make between models) is equally as profound as the wheel. By acknowledged that "air fins" are seen in sports, such as; car racing, and that it simply makes sense to bring that technology into mountain biking is really honest. Tom's won me over - Tom for Prime Minister!
  • + 1
 Thanks and thats exactly what our company modo is, lets not try to reinvent the wheel, lets make great products and stay away from making any outlandish BS marketing statements!
  • + 2
 Wow, just the fact that DVO answers all these posts is just awesome. Seems like a company who got the connections to the costumers right!! Big Grin
Shock seems awesome along with the fork.
  • + 2
 Thanks Frederik24! Appreciate the support!
  • + 1
 Looks good DVO! As I as said many times before, It makes me happy to say it again: all the best of luck! I hope you succeed and we have yet another taste on the market for good. Your designs look original right away, and hell, if you want to do a righty fork, then I'll be happy to see you guys making it! I hope one day you will make a trail shock and fork and I will be able to consider it as an option. I feel your devotion to what you do, that is very important. You have DVOtion hehe Big Grin Right now Fox seems to be a very weakened player, CTD got them pay heavily, most bikes in the "bike of the year" tests in various places are specced with Pikes. I haven't seen a picture of a 34 since a long time. Use that chance Smile

Cheers! and again: good luck!
  • + 2
 Thanks Waki! Appreciate the great words and really glad you can feel our "DVO'tion" to the dream! Cheers!
  • + 2
 Seems like DVO is onto a winner. I like the fact they'll be self serviceable; CCDB's are top notch, as is CC's customer service but I wish I could take it apart myself without voiding the warranty. I also dig the way DVO communicates with the public, approachable and down to earth.

As for Fox, let's hope they've learned their lesson as pre 2012 stuff was quite good. Not in the same league as BOS or CC but at least they were close and it was great stuff to start out with.
  • + 2
 Thanks for good words bonky!
  • + 1
 I admire DVO but it's like the suspension company that never was.... I've seen a few articles but has anyone actually seen one on a bike yet ? If I buy a new bike I guarantee it'll have either fox or rockshox suspension bundled with it..... I don't want to see just 2 companies ruling the suspension world, get a move on DVO !!!
  • + 2
 Thanks fedz! We are real and making it happen though! Check out our Face Book pics, we have posted everyones pics from all over the world who have them mounted on a bike and riding. To date we have shipped out hundreds of forks and we have hundreds more in production. From the OEM side, we are talking to everyone but since our production is limited we won't bite off more than we can chew. Cheers, DVO
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 Thanks for answering that, still wearing my free T !!
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 Awesome!
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 In the moment I have a Vector HLR Air for Enduro (Hey, what´s Enduro?) or better said serious AM ;-) which momentarily is, so I feel, the best compromise weightwise and performancewise in relation to a coil shock, to get the light do it all bike running on the DH.
But I´ll definfitely get your shock if it just comes clearly under the vectors weight or overpowers it. I´m really looking forward for a shooutout (BOS KIRK is no option as it is next to the Void the most expensive Air shock and except weight I doubt it is worth this of the rest of the competition).
And it certainly will be interesting comparing the Mattoc Pro with the Diamond as both use most parts of the technology of their big and very good DH brothers.
Can you already give a rough range of the price for the diamond, please? circa 800-1000? More or less? And the shock?
  • + 1
 The Diamond will be less than a grand and the price of the Jade will be released within the week and it will be around the price of the CCDB. Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 Nice vid on the shock - looks extremely promising! Smile
DVO, can you tell if the Jade would require some kind of internal tuning in order to make it work on an Iron Horse Sunday? Smile
Also, the air shock you are working on - would it come in DH-oriented sizes? Smile
  • + 1
 Hey Buddy, the Jade would work really well on the Sunday and basically with the design of the shock we can pretty much tune it to meet any linkage/leverage curves out there. As far as an air shock for DH, we are focused on DH coil and Enduro forks and shocks but it is a possibility! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 Any chance the Emerald will be released in a black version>? I am still on my 2007 888rc2x and its a great fork, but dated and I want something new, just not stoked on the green.

my options are this
fox 40... been there, constant serviceing pain in the ass... no thanks ( feels great though )
boxer... hate this company, bad experiences with crappy products.. never again
marzocchi... hey wait, You guys are the only good thing about marzocchi... I want a emerald Smile
  • + 1
 Thanks dmadness! Yes we have a Black Emerald, check out the pics of it on our web site or Face Book. Plus theres a lot of product already out there and riders have sent in a bunch of pics. About you last comment...100% agree and thanks for the props!
  • + 1
 its a beauty.. I will be in contact.
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 Awesome!
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 Looks awesome if only the ccdb didnt work so well in my norco aurum i'd go for the jade...but never chane a running system. Wanted a ccdb air cs for my green range... Maybe i wait a bit for the dvo air... I' d love to try it...also my fox fork in the range has to go this year...i wait for your endurofork maybE. Cheers dvo and keep it up..sounds and looks good!
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 Thanks!
  • + 2
 Cool vid DVO. Heat buildup is definitely a big issue, glad you guys are addressing it. Out of curiosity where is the riding shot? Socal for sure, Simi Valley maybe? Seems very familiar, just can't put my finger on it.
  • + 2
 Thanks buddy! Heat build up is a real issue with most shocks and heat equals fade! We do a lot of testing on Stage Coach cause the impacts are quite violent (especially at speed)! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 Love that trail. Lots of high speed large displacement hits. Perfect place for shock testing. The rider is tearing it up!

How do you address bottom out and ramp up, seeing as your bladder is a preset volume?
  • + 2
 Its a great trail for testing bottom out and high speed compression, between compression and the pressure on the bladder, we control bottom out really well. Its based on a lot of math and seat of the pants testing in relation to volume, displacement, and speed. The bladder pressure can be adjusted between 160 PSI up to 200 which does aid in bottom out control. Cheers, DVO!
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 So the main difference from other shocks here is that they will be (mostly?) serviceable by users at home without special tools? Anything else that will make it preferable over other shocks? What about tuning options, how tune-able will it be? Both on the trail at and home (i.e. while servicing it).
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 There's quite a few differences between the Jade and many of the other shocks out there. We aimed at making a cooling running shock because heat fade is such a serious issue, then we wanted it to be serviceable so a lot of you can get comfortable with opening up a shock and getting it back together without the need for master's degree in Engineering. Then when it comes to tuning, this is where the Jade really shines, we will provide some base tunes and we encourage our customers to spend time dialing in the compression settings right at the shim/piston to get that perfect feel. With so many different bike designs, leverage curves, riding conditions, and rider skill levels you now can have the ability to either turn some knobs or really get into becoming a suspension tuner! Cheers, DVO
  • + 5
 Heat fade ? Not on the Jade !

You can have that line for free ty Razz
  • + 1
 Love that! Thanks bigburd!
  • + 1
 hi, i am thinking to move to a Jade shox too...i had for 2 days a test one...it is super plush, very sensitive but i had an issue (maybe it was specific of that shox): LowCompressionRegister works badly...i mean in the position "full open" (it was OK) but in the "full closed" one to make it firmer during the pedaling session it looked like to be no difference between the 2 settings (the same for all the othersthe partial positions)...i am wondering if it was a problem regaring the Jade they give to me...ciao

ps i run it on a Devinci Spartan.
  • + 1
 @DVOSuspension I see the service guide for the Jade is still "coming soon" on your website... so the question is "How soon"?
My Jade makes some rebound noise (squishing noise, quite loud), is it to be considered normal or does it need a service? I'm looking to service it by myself but some king of tutorial would be nice to have
  • + 2
 DVOSuspension….I am seriously impressed with your attention to detail and innovation! I will honestly consider your equipment when it comes time.. I might have to sell myself, but it sounds like it would be worth it!
  • + 3
 Thanks MtHood-G, appreciate the awesome words and it will definitely be worth it!
  • + 1
 Sweet footage of the front and rear suspension getting a beating! DVO actualy cares that I don't have major down time servicing my fork and shock. They understand that keeping the oil cool is important to the consistent feel of a rear shock. DVO ROCKS!
  • + 1
 Thanks Sshredder! We are trying our best to make our products easy to service cause down time is one of the biggest gripes, especially during a short riding season. Cheers, DVO!
  • + 1
 would be funny to have a little fan installed to keep the oil cooled
  • + 1
 Dvo, love your shim stack technical page, that's great for explaining how as a rider I can tune the shock in ways that simply dialing in more of less compression sampling don't allow. Any chance you could educate us similarly on the rebound adjustability of your products, I'd love to get the full picture.
  • + 1
 Sure can! We will work on something and post it soon!
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 So, larger shaft, larger seals, more drag. Great. I'm assuming Ohlins did their FEA on the CCDB shaft so I'm not concerned about it being too thin. They know the max compression damping their valving can offer and I'm sure they have good data for max rider hits, its a trivial issue to work out the max load on the shaft and spec it accordingly.
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 FEA wouldn't really give you details on seal drag, FEA is more for material analysis. Its not a trivial issue to work out max load on the shaft and spec it accordingly, there are many different frame designs out there and if a shock becomes a structural member then shafts will end up breaking. Experience makes up for a lot! Cheers, DVO
  • + 2
 Please, read what I said again, I was clearly referring to shaft strength with the FEA comment, not seal drag. But I assume the lack of rebuttal regarding your main shift seal drag is admission of it being higher.
  • + 2
 Oh yea, you're right! Reading it from an iPhone isn't ideal. But to clarify the point, its not always easy to correctly estimate what the max shaft loads can, there are just too many moving variables. On a larger shaft, there is slightly more seal drag based on increased surface volume but we have removed other high friction areas internally that ultimately make the Jade very sensitive to small forces and quick direction changes between compression and rebound. Cheers, DVO
  • + 2
 Solid answer, thanks...
  • + 2
 You're welcome and its good to hear from everyone!
  • + 4
 I love the DVO approach to the rear shock.
  • + 2
 Thanks Paul!
  • + 5
 wooo metallica!
  • + 9
 Heavy Metal in the morning!
  • + 4
 Nailed it with the music. Metallica back when they were good Wink
  • + 1
 Thanks! Can't go wrong with some old school metallica!
  • + 2
 Dammit. I came here to see Ronnie in some capri's and an old ass cheeseburger. I am so disappointed. At least the shock is rad as all get out!!
  • + 2
 Thats the other video!
  • + 2
 I think we should at least get to see Ronnie in some capri's for each video. Kinda of like seeing a wild oompa loompa. Oh look I found Ronnie!!
  • + 2
 Been riding the Emerald for a couple of hours. Smooth on small bumps and roots. Suspension action in corners feels good. Painless to dial in. Great plowfork.
  • + 2
 Sweet! Thanks for supporting us and feel free to hit Ronnie up is you have any questions. His email is ronnid@dvosuspension.com thanks!
  • + 1
 What are you planning for your enduro shock as adjustments?
not overkill adjustments as CCDBA cs,more like the Kirk would be great, but with your Performance and support ;-)
Please tell
  • + 2
 Enduro shock is on its way! Really easy to adjust and tune just like the Jade is will offer some great performance features that are needed by today's pro enduro racers!
  • + 1
 Really awesome that you take the time to answer every ones comments and questions. Really shows your commitment and service.

By the way, any chance you've tested the Makulu with your shock?
  • + 2
 Thanks! Haven't had a chance to test the Makulu yet!
  • + 2
 I'd be down for a coil with lockout. The CTD settings are crap of the Float and I'm either slogging uphill or charging downhill, there is no 'trail'...
  • + 1
 Soon buddy, coming soon! But, we will have a climb setting but not complete lock-out, I think you will be impressed!.
  • + 2
 heat fins...makes sense. Keep it coming I'll be checking out the stuff in the next years build.
  • + 1
 Awesome, thanks!
  • - 1
 All this talk about servicing these shocks & forks....are these things going to be needing a lot of service? If so, I'm out.

I have two bikes with Fox 40's and one with a 36, I can do all the service I want to do on them aside from the cartridge.

My oldest 40 is a 2009 & I've never had to do any cartridge work on any of them.

I'm not saying the DVO's are bad, but come on, everyone seems to be going on & on about how easy it will be to work on these things. If you want me to lay down 2 large in a fork to replace my perfectly functioning Fox 40, it better not need a lot of service attention.
  • + 2
 The Emerald and Jade will be very reliable products, the Emerald has nearly 400cc's of oil in it which greatly increases durability and performance over the long run. When you want to change the oil or work on tuning the shim stack, it will be real easy and no need to send it out and pay extra service fees. The same goes for the Jade rear shock, it will be easy to tune and work on when desired. If you're not keen on getting into the inner workings of DVO Suspension, no worries, just ride!
  • + 3
 you ride a 40 and it is LOW maintenance>??? mind is blown, you must have gotten the only one..... ever.

...great feeling fork but.
Salute
  • + 2
 Damn!! Never thought I would hear Call of Ktulu in a product video! Wicked looking shock btw!
  • + 1
 Thanks!
  • + 1
 Dvo should sponcor ur Hutchinson the emerald and jade suspension would look way sweeter than plain old bos suspension and dvo would get the publecity they derserve
  • + 2
 We are down for that!
  • + 2
 Just have to give Kudos to DVO for participating in this discussion. Good guy DVO :pbsalute:
  • + 3
 Thanks! We enjoy talking to everyone, DVO customers or not, its just good to hear everyones feedback!
  • + 1
 To what degree are these shocks going to be serviceable by the consumer? Will it just be bleeding or is there going to be more to it to keep them riding?
  • + 1
 The Jade can be easily serviced from a complete tear down or just a simple oil change. The easiest part of the Jade is accessing the compression loader so you can tune the shim stack without having to send it to a pro shop or back to the factory if you're looking for a special set up. Since there is such a limited quantity of oil having to do so much work, changing the oil on a regular basis will keep your shock in optimum condition for years to come. If you need to get into the seal housing for a seal change, its also easy without the need for any special thousand dollar tool! Cheers, DVO!
  • + 1
 So my understanding is that this shock doesn't need to be vaccum bleed/presurized . Making it servicable by DIYers. That is great! I always have this fear that a guy at service would swap his worn internal with your new ones.
  • + 1
 You have it right, just a simple bench bleed is all it takes!
  • + 1
 Hallelujah DVO for using bladders, used in moto for years and never understood why mtb shocks used crappy floating pistons Thankyou
  • + 3
 You're welcome man and glad you see our vision!
  • + 1
 Carry on the good work and keep going everything's looking good to me, watch out Fox these are proper shocks that work by the looks of it
  • + 1
 Thanks buddy!
  • + 3
 The Santa Cruz with the all jade everything... So gorgeous.
  • + 1
 Thanks binnes!
  • + 1
 DVO, is there any possibility of other colour options? It looks great in green, but some of us are a bit vain and green doesn't fit with every bike (especially not my blue one!).
  • + 2
 We have a black Emerald and maybe another color option coming out soon!
  • + 1
 Its pretty cool seeing that such a big up and coming suspension company is based like 5 miles from me in Valencia! Some of the best trails only 30 min away!
  • + 2
 Stop by anytime, door is always open!
  • + 1
 I have a KHS DH 300 and was wondering if you guys were planning on making a base tunes or anything? Seems like a long shot, but possibly I could help with that?
  • + 1
 Thats a pretty straight forward design and we have a few riders on the DH 300 already so we can get you all set up.
  • + 1
 This is also kind of a far stretch, but do you have any job openings? As far as a job for a high-school student going into college?
  • + 3
 Stop on by and fill out an application!
  • + 1
 Thanks for the opportunity, I'll stop by next week because of the Fontana DH race this weekend. Appreciate it
  • + 1
 We will all be out at the race this weekend so feel free to stop by.
  • + 2
 hmm... hopefully metallica doesnt sue DVO of business before they get the chance to dominate Smile
  • + 2
 That would suck!
  • + 1
 I,ve been lying awake most of the night thinking of my next bike build, 26" evil uprising with dvo fork and air shock, cant wait, all being well
  • + 1
 That would be a sick build!
  • + 1
 Great video.. but a year to develop a whole shock, is that all? You either deserve a medal or you copied something.
  • + 1
 Very nice looking products though.
  • + 1
 Shocks are quite easy to develop when compared to suspension forks, we actually have a lot of shock designs in the works right now and will be releasing more soon!
  • + 1
 finally the music is spot on & not that dubstep/Drum and bass/breakbeat shit we've had in most biking videos
  • + 1
 Would love to get my hands on one of those. Surprised no one else has though to put the cooling fins on. Class!
  • + 1
 Awesome thanks!
  • + 1
 Enduro coil with lock out? That's super light? Next in line? Call it the dimond.
  • + 1
 Thats a possibility!
  • + 1
 Do I get a free shock for this idear?
  • + 1
 No PROB!
  • + 1
 Is the axle end of the Diamond just round or has it a certain form like Manitou Hexlock to Make the 15mm axle stiffer?
  • + 1
 Its round. Manitou has a patent on hexagonal shape for an axle. We have increased the surface area of our drop outs and axle interface so the grip is excellent.
  • + 1
 Yes,I know this.but My question was referring to a similar shape.perhaps round but 8 teeth to prevent from turning.
But it'answered now ;-)
really looking forward to DVO's shiny Diamond!
  • + 1
 Actually Manitou has a patent that basically covers any shape that isn't round, kudos to them for the patent. To give you some insight though about axle shapes and its relation to slipping within the drop outs, we have found through testing that in order for the drop outs to actually slip or rotate within the drop outs, the fork will have to flex to a degree that you wouldn't experience when riding. Therefore, the main concern is axle stiffness in relation to the drop outs, we have very large forged magnesium drop outs which increase the surface clamping area on the axle. Between that and the CTA, torsional stiffness is excellent. Hope this helps, DVO
  • + 2
 How are they going to handle production expansion?
  • + 3
 Thats an easy question to answer, Very carefully and strategically! We have plenty of space in our factory and we look forward to filling it up! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 looks like an awesome product, but ive already spent my entire lifes savings on marzocchi. hey DVO, wanna trade?!
  • + 1
 Well, lets just say we can work something out with ya since you supported us in the past and we appreciate that!
  • + 1
 rock on man DVO rules!
  • + 1
 Love that feeling at 3:10 - gnar, gnar, gnar, gnar, whooooosh, gnar, gnar gnar.
  • + 1
 Totally agree. Great riding and soundtrack. Now i want to get on the trail!
  • + 1
 i was thinking about a new coil shock for my MEGA, the Jade might just be the one.
  • + 1
 Heck yea it should!
  • + 1
 who is the distributor in the UK ?
  • + 1
 I,ve seen the forks on display at demon tweeks, in all honest they look f**kin good as well
  • + 0
 Silverfish is our distributor.
  • + 1
 That track looks awesome. Should be a perfect proving ground for suspension.
  • + 1
 It is rough as hell!
  • + 3
 DVO + Metallica = WIN !!
  • + 2
 You got that right! Thanks buddy!
  • + 1
 Looks like the best MTB suspension comes to us. Really looking forward for Enduro/AM DVO products...
  • + 1
 Thanks!
  • + 1
 looks very good, I hope the air shock will fit 190mm centres, 50 to 55mm travel though heavy metal all day for me
  • + 1
 Yes for sure!
  • + 1
 I cant wait to get my hands on this fork guys, keep up the kick ass job your doing,
  • + 1
 Thanks finalgear!
  • + 1
 No problem Bryson you will know who this is if you look at my profile lol.
  • + 1
 OK, I'll check it! Cheers, Bryson
  • + 1
 With the compression and rebound of the jade how does it hold out to repeated hard hits 30+ft?
  • + 1
 If you are doing repeated 30+ft of repeated "ledge" style drops you'll need the special Bender Compression & Rebound set up!
  • + 1
 Does the jade offer this special "bender" set up? Ahhha
  • + 1
 Yes we can set that up for ya!
  • + 1
 Yes! I will keep the jade in mind. With the 2014 Jedi having something that can hold up to some rough impacts is key! #hucktoflat!

Thanks for the response DVO!!!!
  • + 0
 You're welcome!
  • + 2
 when are you going to sell them?
  • + 3
 Our goal is start production next month! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 That guy is so nonchalant about designing what seems to be a revolutionary shock.
  • + 1
 Thanks Shred, that's about as excited as Tom gets!
  • + 1
 HAHA! I get a lot more excited when I'm out riding my bike.
  • + 0
 I wonder how they're dealing with the off-gassing of the bladder. Typically the oil cavitates much faster on a bladder design when compared to a solid IFP.
  • + 2
 We have all that figured out! For starters there is more surface area on the bladder to pressurize the oil than does an IFP. Second, it has to do with how fast oil can flow behind the piston without generating cavitation and thats in the design! Good question though.
  • + 2
 He works for a Fox distro. He a hater.
  • + 2
 That's ok, no worries here! Motocross shock have used bladders for years and the shock shaft speeds are much higher than what we see on a mountain bike.
  • + 1
 Definitely something worth saving for, and the emerald as well! looking forward to see the enduro fork btw!
  • + 1
 Thanks and we look forward to having you as a customer soon!
  • + 1
 sick little shot of RYAN E. rippin the local trails
  • + 1
 Ryan attacked that trail like a mad man, made for some great footage!
  • + 1
 I want this shock since it was announced...
  • + 3
 Coming soon! Putting the final touches on the settings and we should start production next month!
  • + 1
 I'll take one for the front and one for the back please.
  • + 1
 Awesome! I think we can handle that for ya!
  • + 2
 DVO will rule!!
  • + 1
 Thanks buddy! We just want to make some great products and keep in touch with our customers. We don't want to be the biggest, just one of the best! Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 How much for the newJade and where do I get it?
  • + 1
 are the DVO range available in the UK?
  • + 1
 Yes the Emeralds are already there and the Jade is coming soon. Silverfish is our distributor there, cheers!
  • + 1
 When can I get my hands on one of these for my green V10c?
  • + 1
 Soon buddy!
  • + 1
 I need a shock for my Nomadc too, before SeaOtter I hope! lol
  • + 1
 We will try!
  • + 1
 What is the ballpark pricing of the jade?
  • + 1
 Ball Park will be around the price of the CCDB, keep in touch with us on Face Book for pricing which will be released soon.
  • + 1
 Yeh! Green fairy and sh!t!
  • + 1
 Just Happy they played Metal to it and not Dub step!Cheers!
  • + 1
 Thanks! Doesn't get better than Metallica!
  • + 1
 So my Fox fork and shock plus 50 bucks for the DVO's? Pretty please Smile
  • + 1
 Ok, deal! lol
  • + 1
 Plus my Marzocchi fork, can I get on this deal too? lol
  • + 1
 lol, ok!
  • + 1
 i thought only true gswag's could wear jades??
  • + 1
 So how much is the jade? My lime green heckler would love one.
  • + 1
 Price for the Jade will be released very soon! Keep in touch with us on Face Book!
  • + 1
 Looking good!
  • + 1
 Thx DH!
  • + 0
 yawn, ill keep my ccdb thank you.
  • + 0
 you have no idea what your missing here, but if you like riding with a tool just to adjust your shock trail side and like the limited ability to tune the compression on the shock and with the flimsy flexy looking shaft by all means keep the CCDB.
  • + 1
 How much smaller is the ccdb shaft?
  • + 1
 CCDB shaft is 8mm DVO JADE shaft is 14mm
  • + 1
 The Jade has a 14mm shock shaft, the CCDB is 8mm, big difference there.
  • + 0
 And the JADE is a much better product.
  • + 2
 Thx finalgear! There is a lot of great products out there, we are just trying to offer more performance with easier tuning and servicing. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, just fine tune it and support our customers along the way. Cheers, DVO
  • + 1
 the ccdb doesnt work on displacement of oil meaning they can run a much smaller shaft massively reducing sticktion, and because they use different valves and work on much greater oil flow then any other mtb shock, it makes it the most effective damper available. because of the inherent design disadvantages of using a de-carbon type (jade, rc4, vivid, mx rc2 and every other shock out there atm) the ccdb will always be on top.

the ccdb is essentially a ohlins. (you will find ohlins logo on the side of ccdb) and as ohlins are widely regarded as the best mx suspension available due to the patent for the double barrel technology.

and beacuse of the valves used and the way it circulates the whole volume of oil for damping it means that it can be fully tuned for any rider and bike without disassembly and a slight bit of guess work. (all shim stacks have an element of guess work, computer programs can only do so much, 'trial and error' means guesses and fails till its right) so on the trail tuning for any rider is possible, i can appreciate the intentions however not the best way to go around it, but you are limited by patents.


i will admit the lack of ease of home rebuilds is annoying but not enough to stop me choosing ccdb every time. i have got friends who have converted their ccdb's to schrader valves to do home rebuilds, mine may well be following suit.
  • + 2
 CCDB works by displacing 100% of the oil from one area/chamber into another. It doesn't work off shaft displacement so the size of the shaft diameter is not a determining factor in damping per se but more with strength and durability.
  • + 0
 precisely and that is why the ccdb is a better shock. beacuse it works on much much larger volume of oil for damping (instead of just displaced oil) the required damping force is less, meaning less heat built up during damping, also heating a greater volume of oil takes longer, thus meaning less heat being added to a greater volume of oil meaning greatly reduced heat fade. then back for the fact it works on more oil it means even if same temperature change is achieved (impossible within equal riding/time frame) the ccdb will still dampen much closer to when cool. so more predictable as changes in damping from ccdb are almost negligible in real world, where as de-carbon type shocks head fade is a real problem when ridden properly.

as for durability. smaller seals of the ccdb mean easier sealing and longer lasting, including reduced breaking force (force required to get the shock shaft moving) that and by using a steel shock shaft there is no worry about strength. (with exclusion of specialized, they made yet another catastrophic error in the pursuit of bludgeoning what could have been an effective platform). so reduced breaking force, more effective sealing, damper design making the breaking force of the damper (with shaft force removed) greatly less compared to a very heavy shim stack set up (as required to achieve enough damping force on a very little oil)

as for maintenance, having seen the oil that has come out of an original black bodied ccdb last year (when having schrader valve added) it looked near enough new. despite the years upon the uk race circuit.


however i have got some ideas of how to develop a shock that does no use either twin tube damping or displacement damping. but rather not share so publicly.
  • + 1
 Cheers, BR, more interesting insight.
  • + 2
 There are many ways to build a better mouse trap! But one variable you need to address when state that CCDB is the best because of the large volume of oil displacement is the damping aspect. If you push a large volume of oil through at varying speeds through a small valve/damping mechanism you risk overpowering the damping system and loosing consistent feel in various terrain. Also, such a system is difficult to tune and achieve balance to the front end. Its very important to have the appropriate amount of displacement in relation to the damping system. We have done a lot of calculations on volume and displacement with all the manufacturers shocks and we are right in there when it comes to delivering a balanced system between damping and oil displacement.
  • + 1
 Are you claiming the ccdb has such issues, or just spreading some FUD?
  • + 2
 I'd rather let our products performance speak for itself and not talk bad about other products including the CCDB.
  • + 0
 yes arguably the ccdb is harder to tune and setup with the front end. however changing shim stacks on suspension is vastly more complicated to get right..

im not saying the ccdb is perfect. just that upon balance still presents the better shock. the things i'd like to see done with the ccdb is bladder instead of IFP (which the jade does have) as well as easy home rebuilding (again jade has over ccdb) and tool-less external adjustments. (jade also has over ccdb) but due to damping arrangement on ccdb you do indeed need the leverage over the dials to get them to turn (they are not excessive just too stiff to do by finger)

so that's a bit of unbiased balance for you.

compared to rest of of market, so long as it doesn't blow up every 5mins then will be better then vivid. fox rc4 is your main competition. for which the jade certainly stands in good stead to be capable to beating. (although bear in mind the marzocchi moto rc2 is yet to show its true colours!)
  • + 2
 @bxxer-rider: The cool thing about the Jade is that we will provide different tunes (shim stack layouts) that you can start with then as you become more comfortable with tuning you can always experiment with your own settings. Its quite easy and actually really cool to get into your own shock and dial it in for a perfect ride. Now, thats something no one else wants to do (competitor wise) and we feel a lot of riders want to open up their shock and become familiar with actually tuning via shims and it isn't as hard as it seems.

The Marzocchi shock should be good, we worked on a lot it before we left to start DVO.
  • + 1
 yes this addition of being able to easily build your own shim stacks really does interest me. as building stacks is something i need to get my head around (that is one aspect of a shock i need to work on).

i believe you guys develop the last generation of 888 in which shim its were originally supposed to be provided with to help tune them in (my 888 is an ex crc one with custom stack in it any way so matches my ccdb amazingly)

will be interested to see the differences between the marzocchi version as dvo version (one would help the dvo oud perform better as its a later version of essentially the same shock)
  • - 2
 The DVO-lution of mountain biking
  • + 6
 DVO Revolution!

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