DVO Introduces New Onyx 38 Fork

Sep 26, 2023 at 7:52
by DVO Suspension  

PRESS RELEASE: DVO Suspension

Experience incredible steering precision, small bump sensitivity, and absolute control with the new Onyx 38. A unique E-Designed chassis, wider-than-ever stance and burly 38mm stanchions launch the Onyx into a new era of MTB suspension.

New demands require new thinking. What does it mean to be specifically E-Designed? For years, the market has taken “acoustic” suspension and made after-thought upgrades in order to make it “E-Bike Approved”. Bumping up compression damping, using a slightly thicker crown, or just saying “Add 10 psi” isn’t doing it right. E-Designed means we thought about these needs from day one. How can we make a fork flex equally as one unit? How can we achieve unreal steering precision without the harshness or deflection? How can we control the fore and aft flex with the added weight of an e-bike? Questions like these were the foundation, the bones of this concept. After years of engineering, different thinking, and countless hours testing, we nailed it. The final result wasn’t only a fork that met all the requirements and needs of a modern, aggressive E-bike, but it directly translated to a regular bike.


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One Unit Chassis Design

We knew what we wanted to achieve in overall performance, we just needed to understand how to get there. Keeping in mind that e-bikes are heavier, faster, and can cover more ground than “acoustic” bikes, the starting point was creating a chassis structure (steer tube, crown, stanchions, and lowers) all as one component. Learning from decades of design, fully optimizing individual parts for weight tends to create an unequal flex pattern in the fork. A “beefed up” crown mated with a thin walled pair of stanchions won’t allow the fork to flex properly. Each critical piece of the chassis was designed to work together, as one unit. Based on our engineering and design efforts, we focused on designing a chassis that was compliant enough to mitigate low & high frequency vibrations while dispersing the energy waves throughout the entire chassis structure. This delivers unmatched confidence in terms of traction, braking, steering precision and comfort no matter what kind of bike you are riding.

“The precision of the front wheel, the steering is a massive improvement. I found there is a lot of support, which makes it easy to adjust whenever needed.” -Remy Metailler

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Performance Tuned Arch Design

"The steering precision is insane!" One comment we keep hearing over and over from every level of tester. We strategically reinforced and relieved specific areas of the arch for incredible precision without the dreaded deflection or harshness. Acting as a torsion bar, the arch becomes stiffer as more force is applied. This provides the initial compliance, comfort and traction without sacrificing control in high force situations.

“The grip in the corner is unreal and with this new chassis, it’s a real pleasure to go full gas.” -Karim Amour

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Crown Design

The Onyx 38 crown plays a massive role in the way the fork feels. The idea was to stabilize the chassis as the fork flexes in big impact situations. The crown is the connecting interface between the steer tube and the stanchions. This “bridge” needs to be a stable connecting point that offers a uniform flex pattern. Thicker arms on the crown, an oversized race platform and strategically variable wall thickness all work together to deliver amazing steering precision while reducing the dreaded “tuning fork” effect.

Key Updates:
•Increased drop for extra down-tube clearance on e-bikes and standard bikes.
•Strategically variable wall-thickness for improved stiffness and strength.
•Oversized crown-race platform puts more material around the steer tube. This helps to stabilize the steer in high load situations and offers a clean look on modern bikes.
•Dual Hollow Bore Design keeps weight down and strength up.
•Forged aluminum with a sand-blasted finish.

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D1 Damper

After achieving our performance goals with our chassis design, we had a clear view on how our damper needed to perform. Since the chassis delivered incredibly smooth sliding performance, the upgraded D1 damper became an easy project to undertake. Targeting a wide range of adjustability for various rider weights and abilities while avoiding any compression spiking under high-speed impacts. Starting with computer-generated fluid flow analysis based on real world trail data, we were able to create a very adjustable damper with zero compression spiking and a predictable rebound characteristic.

Key Updates:
• New High-Flow Linear Compression and Rebound circuit. Increased damping response and support without the high speed harshness or packing.
• New low-friction Trelleborg damper seal reduces friction by a whopping 50%. Silky smooth suspension performance during maximum shaft speeds.
• Our industry exclusive Compression Bladder System received a 30% increase in size for increased small bump sensitivity and damping consistency.
• A new detent design improves the “clicker feel” for precise adjustments.

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SL “Super-Light” Air System

Our goal was to create an air negative system with an equal level of comfort and traction. Our new SL air spring was extensively modeled in our computer systems to find the perfect balance between the negative and positive chambers. After countless laps on the trail testing various volumes and bleed port locations, we nailed a setting that offered incredible small bump sensitivity, no mid-stroke hammock, and adjustable end-stroke progression.


“The steering is incredible, something I’ve never felt before in a fork. You look where you want to go and you go. There’s no hesitation, no deflecting. It feels directly connected to you.” -Bryson Jr.


Floating Axle System

A design cue taken from our Emerald Inverted fork, a floating axle offers perfect alignment of the uppers and lowers. This takes up any imperfections in hub fitment that could cause the legs to pinch together resulting in stiction and harshness.


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Specs:

•D1 SL: High/Low Speed Compression | Rebound | Positive Volume Reducers
•D1 OTT: High/Low Speed Compression | Rebound | OTT “Off the Top” Adjust
•Travel Range: 160-180mm
•Offset: 29 = 44mm
•Stanchion Size: 38mm Tapered Alloy
•Wheel Size: 29
•Axle: 15mm Floating Axle
•Color Options:
SL Version : Apatite Grey, Onyx Gloss Black, DVO Factory Green
OTT Version: Apatite Grey

Available Late October

For more info visit https://dvosuspension.com/product/onyx-d1-38/

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174 Comments
  • 118 8
 Please tell me that we aren't settling on "acoustic" as the preferred nomenclature for non-electric bikes.

Also, is there really a need for e-bike specific components? Nowadays you're talking about a 20lb difference between ebike and non-ebike. How is that any different than person who weighs 20lbs more than me riding the same bike?

Also Also, love DVO, looking forward to this fork!
  • 75 4
 Agreed. ID's should be Mountain Bike and E-Bike. I'm not playing guitar here so no need for Acoustic.
  • 47 16
 We thought about saying MTB Unplugged but acoustic was shorter... You asked a really good question, the difference is where the increased mass is located. The center of gravity and the loads it applies to the fork are much different. Plus the e-bikes just put so much more wear and tear on all components. What we landed on and what this fork is all about, is designing a product that could really handle all that and do it better than anything else. Increasing durability, strength, braking control, stiffness etc.. just makes for a better fork all around e-bike or not. Thanks for the support!
  • 10 8
 The acoustic ship sailed a long time ago.
  • 13 6
 E-bike specific components are good because they tend to be built to last.
  • 8 0
 @Three6ty: Seriously. And what better selling point for a mountain bike component than an e-bike certification. No need to rename an entire sport.
  • 6 22
flag andelinc (Sep 26, 2023 at 12:33) (Below Threshold)
 Analog, perhaps?
  • 44 2
 @andelinc: Why not just Mountain Bike. That's what it is.... and an E-Bike is an E-Bike
  • 16 5
 Hey OCSunDevil, We really did design this fork to handle the increase in forces delivered by the increased weight of the battery & motor along with the increased in overall ride time. We started with increasing the bushing overlap to 140mm & 25mm bushings top and bottom, that's more than the other guys & helps stabilize the chassis which improves steering precision. The crown, stanchions, and mag lowers were all designed to flex as one unit which further improves steering control and comfort with less vibration & harshness. When all said and done, this fork works great on E and non-E enduro bikes & give us a call for more details, cheers.
  • 3 6
 @DVOSuspension: Appreciate the answer! I've got 2 Diamonds at home on my MTB unplugged bikes, and I'll probably add an onyx one of these days. Nice to know it's not purely marketing copy and there is some real method to it. Thank you!
  • 2 0
 @OCSunDevil: Thanks buddy!
  • 2 11
flag njcbps (Sep 26, 2023 at 14:34) (Below Threshold)
 Analog mountain bikes.
  • 13 7
 I love how chapped people still get about this whole acoustic / analogue / mountain bike thing.
  • 3 1
 Cattle class.
  • 30 2
 My vote is for Amish bikes
  • 7 1
 @thustlewhumber: I didn’t even know it but thats my vote now too. Amish bikes from this day forward
  • 12 5
 @Three6ty: you misspelled “moped”
  • 6 1
 @thustlewhumber: The amish don't want any relation with our devil bikes with their gears, dropper posts, crazy colors and supple suspension that the laziest heathen would love. Black rigid single speed only for them.
  • 7 1
 My bike is not acoustic, it is a cappella. And there's a quartet of sounds from zzzzzzzzz (hub), woo-whish-crish woo wish-crish (tires), peesh peesh peesh (air springs), and wooooooooohoooooo (rider)
  • 4 1
 @pruss1: banjo bike didn’t fly. No one likes to hear banjos out in the backwoods!
  • 3 0
 Amish!
  • 2 1
 I agree: Mountain Bikes and e-Bikes, but the reality is sometimes further clarification is needed, then it’s Muscle Bikes & Electric.

It’s also a helpful bonus that there’s an emoji already pre-built for both of those terms.
  • 7 1
 @DVOSuspension: how about just 'regular' bikes. E bikes are different and came second, not the other way round.
  • 4 0
 @pruss1: / Amish
  • 4 2
 I think it should be designated as "OG" and "LAZY NOOB"
  • 2 2
 Hardtail, Mountain Bike and Dweeb Bike are what I call each of mine.
  • 2 2
 @mwysel: E-bikes have a motor thus they are motorbikes not bicycles. So it's ebikes and bikes or motorbikes and bike. No need for ridiculous "muscle/muscular/acoustic" bike
  • 3 0
 @Kiltymac: aka sailboat
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension:

Die you increase bushing overlap as Well?
Did you keep the selfequalizing Casting valves which has been written about before?
  • 1 0
 @OCSunDevil: fork looks a little foxy, doesn't it?
  • 2 0
 Let's call a bicycle a bike. Everything else that isn't really a bicycle should ante up and modify the name. E-bikes, uni-cycle, motor-cycle, tri-cycle, crotch rocket, skate board, roller skate, one wheel. Acoustic, analog, unplugged, disengaged, wtf.
  • 1 0
 @Paulchen: Bushing overlap has been increased to 140mm (more than any other fork maker) and we use 25mm upper and lower bushings.

We are updating the self equalizing bleeder valves, still in the testing phase but it looks promising for production.
  • 1 0
 Personally I've been using "meat powered"
  • 1 0
 @scottlink:

The Onyx Foxy?.....than rather Like the Zeb. The Fox has a round shape of the casting's arch
  • 61 4
 I once dropped a floating axle and it sunk.
  • 14 0
 youtu.be/QXJOSvUkX1E?si=OJYG6vLdvCd2WURX
  • 2 0
 @AppleJack76: thanks for my best laugh today
  • 2 0
 @pargolf8: You are WELCOME! When a German talks about sinking, this 1st gen German American is going to be thinking about it. LMAO
  • 2 0
 @AppleJack76: I remember that commercial! I think I first saw it circa 2007 or so--funny story, it was watched by two native English speakers, and a Korean girl who was ESL. She didn't get it at first, so we had to explain it.. then she laughed for 2 weeks about it! Big Grin A classic, for sure.
  • 30 3
 Love DVO! Great company and awesome customer service. This should be an absolute hit.
  • 11 5
 They need to fix their OTT system so it don't wind itself up tight. Awesome feature but when you have to readjust every lap it gets old very quick
  • 3 0
 @gearbo-x: I have owned several DVO forks. I checked the OTT occasionally had to adjust, but never every lap and I lived near a ski lift bike park for years
  • 6 1
 @gearbo-x: not sure why you are getting down votes. My experience is the OTT can self adjust very quickly. To DVOs credit they will send out a 3D printed cover to lock the OTT. The bad news is the one they send will break quickly. I have had better luck printing my own with the plans online.

It is nice having a fork that feels the same at the end of the ride as it did at the begging of the ride. Especially when the adjustment requires letting the air out of the fork.
  • 1 0
 Thanks Buddy!
  • 3 0
 @gearbo-x: We did experience issues with the OTT winding out under repeated compressions and using the cap prevents it from happening, sorry you had this issue! The new SL air system really matches the small bump sensitivity of the OTT system, the SL air will be standard but the OTT is an option. Cheers
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: will the ott and sl spring be swapp
able?
  • 2 0
 @mtbgangsta: Absolutely!
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: Is this issue with OTT resolved in the new version?
  • 2 2
 I loved my diamond, but the bushing play (from new) drove me crazy. I wonder if that has improved.
  • 1 0
 @kre62: We include a cap that prevents the OTT from potentially unwinding.
  • 1 0
 @handsomedan: That's definitely been improved, we are using a significantly different 3D machining process and bushing design. The new Diamond is a 36mm chassis and the Sapphire is 35mm.
  • 27 5
 The "extra" weight of an e-bike is around 10-15% of the difference in rider weights for adults humans. If you're designing specifically for that "extra" weight, you completely missed something in the process. Mainly the fact that adding a motor puts almost a magnitude less force into the system than just putting a range of normal humans on the bike. If you really cared about that little extra mass, you'd have different forks for light riders and heavy riders, but you don't, so it's all just marketing wankery.
  • 17 11
 Definitely NOT marketing Wankery. Ebikes are 20-25lbs heavier and the weight is dynamic, at speed an extra 25lbs becomes much more and our data testing with strain gauges, accelerometers, g-sensors all back that up. That also showed us we needed to design the chassis much differently not only for e-bikes but also for non-e enduro & park bikes. You are right though, it would be ideal to have different forks for different weight riders, the same goes for bikes frames, kinematics, etc. The difficult part is that developing suspension forks in 2-3 weight brackets will cost a butt load more money and may lead to higher per unit prices. cheers
  • 7 1
 @DVOSuspension1: For the weight brackets, you already have 2: The "Ebike" and "normal" forks. As the Ebike forks are really stiff, they're probably ideal for medium weighted riders and above on Ebikes or very heavy riders on normal bikes. Are there plans to make the "normal" forks less stiff now to give customers a broader range of compliance? Also models usually associated with more mellow riding could be given clearance for rougher use while staying under a certain weight limit (eg 50kg rider could rip a elongated trail fork on the park rig without problems). Ergotec for example already does this for many of their components. This would severely limit the surplus of components. I guess no one of the big players does it, bc they feel like nobody cares anyway and buys stuff bc it's shiny and has good marketing.
  • 9 5
 @Highclimber: Although we did make this new fork with bikes in mind, you are right that bikes forks are way too stiff and harsh feeling. We did tune our chassis to be stiff yet very compliant and we focused a lot on increasing the durability aspect. That's why are late to the 38 game, our original test forks were deflecting too much and didn't track as well as we wanted, we also found that out bench testing the competition. Therefore, we took a much different approach to the engineering and came up with a chassis that delivered excellent compliance and comfort, it wasn't easy! Cheers
  • 4 3
 @DVOSuspension1: I think what you were trying to say but were to diplomatic to point out was this : Suspension products are designed for riders of different sizes with an overall weight bracket. E-Bikes weighing an extra 20-25lbs will keep some riders within that bracket. The average E-Biker however weighs an extra 20-100lbs compared to the average mountain biker. So this fork is designed to handle an extra 125lbs of weight.

PS: This hurt my metric brain, was pounds the correct unit of measurement? Or should I have used big macs?
  • 4 3
 You have to consider the ebiker weight that it’s 20lbs more than an conventional biker
  • 1 0
 @pbls: True!
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: "we needed to design the chassis much differently not only for e-bikes but also for non-e enduro & park bikes"

Sounds more like you showed need a different chassis more for how hard the bike is ridden, not necessarily for extra bike weight. And sure, the extra bike weight is dynamic, but the bike isn't pushing itself hard into enduro and park terrain, it's the rider doing that, so the rider + bike system weight is going to be the overwhelming factor.

And there already are different frame and kinematic designs for different sized riders. It can be assumed, and has been directly stated by many manufacturers, that larger frames are built with stronger (and thus heavier) tubes/layups/etc and the kinematics on those are set up to handle larger rider weights without completely overwhelming the specced shock.
  • 8 0
 Nice to see a whole fender come with the fork, half fenders make no sense ..Curious how smooth can the new SL air spring be? I think the OTT makes DVO forks unmatched in smoothness so not sure adding more seals to the air spring side will be what DVO users are used to feeling.. Though it is probably quiter, lighter and less maintenance. Would love to try this fork out hopefully the airsprings are interchangeable.
  • 1 0
 I would be carefull with "less maintenance". However personally I don't care about anything else but friction.
  • 2 1
 @lightone: I'm referring to the OTT system requiring more maintenance because of noise, sticky notch feeling.. having to grease that thing and wipe out the old sludge more often than with the air negative springs .. not referring to reducing scheduled maintenance intervals but the extra maintenance required to keep OTT working quietly and smoothly..The grease on the OTT falls off or mixes with the lower bath oil and then turns into sludge that sits in the bottom of the fork, it happens rapidly and often.. The more conventional negative air spring would alleviate these issues but won't be as smooth.. I was hoping for just an update to the OTT that would keep it quiet with out relying on a massive glop of grease on it that ruins my bath oil...
  • 2 0
 Fender still looks as bad as at the Onyx SC. Way to short and wrong design.
  • 3 1
 The new air system is very smooth, we did a ton of work making sure of it. Everything from a new stanchion coating, bushing design, 3D machine tolerances in the inner bores, low friction Trelleborg dust seals, and a lot of updated processes inside the air sleeve. It's really smooth!
  • 3 1
 @lightone: This fork is insanely smooth and updating our machine tolerances and parts design make it very durable. Cheers
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: New stanchion coating is interesting to me... Harder???
  • 3 0
 @CobyCobie: We mainly focused on the polishing & surface finish process which determines the how the oil sits on the surface of the tube in what we call "Peaks & Valleys". At the microscopic level, the precise dimension of the distance between the peak and the valley will determine how much oil can float in the surface and provide a smooth stiction free feel. Obviously you will also need a perfectly round tube along with a high quality hard anodizing process which will increase durability and reduce friction.
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: So there is such thing as too smooth? That's interesting and I never thought about that.
  • 2 0
 @CobyCobie: For sure, too smooth such as a glass surface will be very sticky.
  • 11 0
 Sweet! Looks and sounds like a classic in the making. I am on the ist.
  • 3 0
 Yup. Been waiting for this one. Love my Onyx 36 D1 but excited to try this 38.
  • 1 0
 @Marky771: Thanks buddy, looking forward to your feedback!
  • 9 0
 Weight? Or did I miss that …
  • 2 0
 The 36mm Onyx weights 2250gr,so I guess this one will be even heavier.
  • 2 0
 @nozes: version without OTT might be light ish
  • 1 2
 @nozes: apparently the 38 and 36 are the same weight
  • 3 0
 @Lololmalol: Its quite close in weight.
  • 2 0
 @Lagr1980: The SL will save you around 80-90 grams.
  • 2 0
 That is the first thing I looked for too.
  • 6 3
 Eagerly replying to claims of 'marketing talk' with paragraphs, but continually avoiding an actual number. This says all we need to know, doesnt it.
  • 3 2
 heavy
  • 4 0
 The new Onyx 38 2.48kg with a trimmed steer.
  • 4 0
 @nozes: The new Onyx 38 SL is 2.48 KG with a trimmed steer.
  • 1 0
 @chaoscacca: exactly
  • 5 0
 imo the first suspension company that introduces anodized knobs and decals and doesn't force you to use their off colors forever will make a killing.
  • 11 0
 We have anodized options in the works, we know everyone has their personal preferences for colors and the samples we made look sweet! stay tuned.
  • 2 1
 Do you whistle when you fart?
  • 2 0
 @DVOSuspension1: heyoooooooo that’ll be sick! Don’t leave us hanging too long please Razz
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: That's GREAT new to hear. Will this be for the whole line of forks (Diamond, Sapphire...)?
  • 4 0
 @FrankS29: We have planned to offer colored adjusters for the Onyx and Diamond at the moment.
  • 1 1
 @DVOSuspension1: Don't forget matching decals for the diff color knobs! Also since DVO has roots in Marzocchi it would be rad to see the DVO logo in an alternate gothic style font like the old Marzocchis. All the fork graphics for most of the major brands are sooo boring and corporate looking. Bring back the fun! :-)
  • 2 0
 @mattmatthew: We agree, it used to be fun!
  • 3 0
 @mattmatthew: Hit up Ground Keeper Custom for custom decals. They make some great stuff.
  • 2 0
 @FrankS29: already do! i also like slik. but it would be rad to see some limited edition stuff from the factory.
  • 3 0
 @mattmatthew: Have you been getting secret updates from someone inside the factory? lol, we have some cool stuff planned!
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: It's like i have ESPN or something
  • 10 4
 We really need Marzocchi to get on the 38 train
  • 7 0
 My guess is that Fox doesn't see enough of a market for big bikes for them to justify it when the Fox 38 Performance probably has a very similar wholesale price point. The fact that there's no rhythm version of the 38 either would hint at something similar.

Or maybe they're working on it now (which would also make sense as Marzocchi and big bikes go hand-in-hand) and they're going to release it next week to make me look foolish.
  • 2 0
 Better yet, we need them to make a rhythm version of the 38. So when people dump their takeoffs on buy and sell for 400 bucks you can get "Bomber 38" just with a blue compression knob.
  • 1 0
 marzocchi hinted they might be working on one under the release of the ltd Ed. white forks. I'd be curious to see if they use fox's new lower design or if they make a whole new casting to preserve their design language.
  • 28 2
 Just get the DVO 38, we started Marzocchi MTB back in 1989. The current forks aren't Marzocchi!
  • 4 1
 @DVOSuspension1: the real story is always in the comments
  • 4 0
 My guess is that Fox MUST have a Marz 38 (66?) in the pipeline.
A coil version would be a very attractive alternative to the 38 or Zeb (or this DVO).
  • 2 0
 My guess is that it'll be a coil variant... coz why not?
  • 1 0
 @big-red: another guess is fox wants to keep marzocchi relegated to just a niche part of the market, and wants the fox parent company to corner the rest that isn't occupied by rockshox. buying your biggest competitor is another way of getting rid of them, or drastically limiting their market share.
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1: I wish more people understood this about DVO. Appreciate how well y'all engage with the community in the comments
  • 6 0
 i hope the stanchion taper is on the inside, not the outside
  • 6 0
 Yeah, taper is on the inside, it would be a big ass mistake to make it on the outside.
  • 2 0
 @DVOSuspension Since DVO is the tile sponsor of the DVO Winter Gravity Series at bootleg, It would be nice for someone to come out to one of the races and do some demos. I would really like to try your products before toss out $900 on a new fork. I have always been interested to see how DVO stacks up the the Big 2 suspension brands.
  • 1 0
 The shop at the bottom of the hill (All Mountain Cyclery) demos their forks and shocks. There may even be a few on their rental fleet
  • 2 0
 @Kiowa008: Good to know, Thank you!
  • 2 0
 My bikes preferred pronouns are Mountain Bike, MTB, Bike OR lastly, analog… now my guitars are a different story, but never, I mean NEVER, call my electric guitars acoustics. They’ll lose their mind and start playing emo music, tossing bricks and burning stuff. Then they’ll cry about it whilst listening to ‘Bleeding Mascara’ by Atreyu.

Fork looks sic DVO!
  • 1 0
 I like your analogies, we have quite a few guitar players at DVO and they feel the same. Naming a new bike category is hard!
  • 5 0
 Website link no work. Hyperlink missing the colon.
  • 6 1
 I would be embarrassed to have an ebike fork on my non-ebike.
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension1
I love it!! Burly and stunning! But will the green colour be available for the OTT forks & not just the SL?
Is there going to be a 27.5 wheels option? I mean it's not going to be a problem to use my 27.5 wheel on the 29 fork? It's just a query regarding the future of DVO 38mm themed forks.
Thank you
  • 4 0
 Well that’s me sold. Very excited for this
  • 1 0
 Thanks!
  • 4 1
 If it’s as good as their shocks, we’ll be happy? Or how much they blow out with zero compliance?
  • 5 1
 no 27.5" option then ?
  • 4 3
 I really hope they fix the stickiness problem with this one. I’m also surprised you’re still using the OTT. It sucks that it’s only works for select weight range.
  • 4 4
 We have two air spring options, the new SL and the OTT. The OTT was originally designed/invented so varying rider weights say from 120lbs to over 220lbs can be accommodated.
  • 4 1
 @DVOSuspension1: how is that possible? You can’t have a coil spring with one rate do that much of range. That’s why all air springs are self equalizing Otherwise, I would only work for a very small rate ratio, such as a coil spring Can you elaborate a little bit further?
  • 1 0
 @bigmeatpete420: You'll still have to replace the positive spring, but you'll always be able to tune the negative spring via OTT to match the positive one. If for example you go up two spring rates without changing the negative spring as well in normal systems the fork will feel utterly crap in the beginning stroke bc the negative spring is too soft.
  • 2 1
 @bigmeatpete420: Definitely, the OTT coil spring is around 6.5 inches/160mm in length & it functions only from 0-55mm part of the travel and then the air spring takes over from there. With the length of the OTT spring functioning in the first part of the travel, there's a wide range of adjustability with a 6.5" coil spring. After using it for close to 10 years, we have found that it works well for light weight riders and heavy guys as well. We did model our new SL Air spring system to get very close the adjustment range of the OTT, both are options. Thanks for great question! Cheers.
  • 6 0
 @bigmeatpete420: I think they're just referring to the preload adjustment O(TT adjustment)t. But in reality I wish there was different OTT spring options. I like my Onyx. But I just run max OTT like a lot of people seem to. I'm 80kg so not super heavy. So a heavier OTT spring would make sense? I think?
  • 2 0
 @Highclimber: what do you mean replace the positive spring? The positive Springs infinitely adjustable with air well not infinitely, but to a pretty big range. So if the negative spring is only adjustable via preload I find it odd that it will work for a range of 100 pounds difference. If it was this simple and good wouldn’t everyone use this if it was the best? If you have a self equalizing negative spring like everybody else that has infinitely adjustable just like the positive air chamber. Why would you want something? That’s only partially adjustable?
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 @danctm: I'm a heavier rider. I was 260 lbs back when I had my Diamond with OTT. I can confirm, DVO only had 1 OTT spring available, and it just did not work for me. To get the fork setup plush, I had to set it ridiculously soft. If I set the fork up for proper support, it was brutally stiff at the start of travel. I called DVO several times, but they wouldn't offer a stiffer spring.

I sold my DVO, and got a Rockshox Lyrik - the improvement was shocking. I think DVO's OTT spring is a good idea, but its really limited if they aren't willing to offer different springs for different weight riders. There is no way I would recommend a DVO with OTT for any rider that isn't quite light until they start offering a range of OTT springs.
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 Love and hate them at the same time.
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 So the whole argument that ebikes don't do any more damage than a heavy rider on a mountain bike is bull @DVOsuspension1:
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 Both bikes styles create some heavy loads especially when ridden at 180mm of travel, there are new test standards that we need to meet for ebikes and they are quite extreme. When we say its designed for ebikes its due to the new test standards that everyone will need to meet in the future (fork makers) and its also from the data we captured when testing E and non-bikes.
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 May I ask the weight of the forks with OTT and with SL air spring? Maybe the problem is on my side, but I could not find it here neither on the website. Thanks!
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 All I want to know is If the CSU will creak or not.
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 We increased the overlap between the stanchion and crown skirting, we updated a new machining operation for the crown bores & redefined the press tolerances. We haven't had any creak during trail testing and under our Lab tests, we think worked hard to reduce any chance of it happening.
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 Got as far as 'acoustic; and tuned out. Good luck with whatever this is.
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 Will the OTT be adjustable on the trail without de pressurising the fork?
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 You sound like a SL airspring kinda guy
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 You will definitely love the new SL air spring system.
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 @DVOSuspension1: I do like the OTT adjustability but I’m not particularly heavy or light at 77kg so maybe the SL is the way to go. I love my onyx on the trail bike , diamond on the hardtail but may look to replace my Fox38 on the e-bike to get the whole family (minus the sapphire)!
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 @MattInNZ: You will love the new SL system, your weight is in the target zone and since you're from NZ I am certain you shred, Jessie will get you sorted!
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 Shut up and take my money !
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 Axle to crown sizes and weights in the spec would be nice.
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 ATC is 597 at 180mm travel and the weight is 2.48k with a cut steer. The Onyx 38mm also meets or exceeds all those new heavy duty ebike test standards. Thanks!
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 Very happy with my Diamond D2 (35 mm is enough for me, but max front disc of 203.... Too bad)
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 Brake less
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 Merida launched it before you guys
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 Can't wait to see Remy rip on this thing! Smile
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 Check out our intro video, Remy is already shredding on it.
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 When will the new Diamond be available?
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 We are planning on having them available by the end of October, it will be updated to 36mm stanchions similar to last years Onyx 36.
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 too much marketing mumbo jumbo. Is the crown larger to reduce flex or is it just bigger lowers?
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 The Onyx 38mm crown is larger than the 36mm.
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 Blah blah blah…
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 well its an ads
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 The best just keeps on getting better
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 No lawsuit from fox…. Yet…
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