GoPro - Hero5 and Karma Drone

 It's all fun and games until the GoPro drone becomes self-aware and tries to kill you.

 we all know it will not work with the Scottish accent

 SKYNET is coming

 @elepizzle: Haha, so true!

 Living in the bay area (where Go Pro is HQ) I have a couple riding buddies that work for Gopro. Went for a ride about 3 or 4 weeks ago with the new voice activated ones. To say it's convenient to have voice activation is an understatement. The reason I don't own one (or never use it) is because when I'm riding I don't want to waste valuable riding time turning it on and off.

Voice activation is the truth dude.

 @pistol2ne: you can't take the time to simply press the top button to start/stop recording? It takes about 1/2 a second.

Voice activation is cool, but it's not that big of a deal.

 @km79 really think it will understand our accents?

 Just ordering GoPro 5 and Karma drone. From addons I chose chest mount, extra battery, selfie stick and the rail gun

 @elepizzle: There has yet to be technology advanced enough to recognize Josh Bryceland's voice.

 @stevemokan: I've been wanting a bar-mounted thumb switch for on-off so I can begin recording for choice sections of trail. Voice on-off seems to be a good idea. (Who wants to watch a boring climb? Not me! Just the highlights please)

 @sngltrkmnd: YES!

 @bridgermurray lol

 @km79: Fookin turn on yer scunner !

 So when you yell at your buddies to stop because you want to grab a drink or something's rattling in your bike, it will stop filming and you missed filming the whole descent, but the same evening when your girlfriend moans "come on" it will autostart filming everything?

 @Mattin: you get your gf to say come on!? Mine just makes squeeking noises

 DJI MAVIC- looks like a compact folding P4
m.imgur.com/a/EO5g5

 @pistol2ne: Wait why do you need to take your helmet off? Do you have super short arms or something that can't reach your head?

 @WAKIdesigns: Ohh crap i can't even tell if your joking or not.

 @WAKIdesigns:

 @rideonjon: the rail gun is awesome. I just type in the PB user name and the drone finds him...

 @elepizzle: or if Ratboy trys to use it.

 So now we can all voice activate our cameras on; yet still ask our shredding mates "Is the red light on?"

 @scottay2hottay: lol

 @WAKIdesigns: gotta get that instagib

 @poah: Could you say that again? I didn't quite catch what you said

 @sosickdude: I guess you don't ride with gloves and or have never supposedly turned on the gopro only to find out later your long dh ride didn't get caught because you were in picture mode(or not even on).

 @pistol2ne: agreed! I stopped using mine cuz it just interefered with my riding. I found mys of stopping too many times, others waiting, fidgeting, etc.. If it works well, I'm all over it.

 I see a lot of potential for having fun at the chairlift queue.

 @stevemokan: Its a nifty feature but not exactly something gopro users were crying out for

 @pistol2ne: Thanks for the info. I've used mine at the bike park a couple times and then go back home to check out my "sick edits" only to find a 15 minute video of myself riding chair lifts, then getting to the trail head and turning the d*mn thing off.

 @hetfield1: Filming oneself is a very humbling experience and I find it as a great motivator for going faster and bigger. Also a great to way to check how are your skills doing, am I too far back there, am I moving a lot or am I quite static? Film yourself riding a pumptrack, it will tell you hell of a lot about how good/bad you are. I know by looking at myself that if i get stiff on the pumptrack then chances are that I look like a bag of potatoes on a bike in the woods. Makes you also appreciate how big is sht pros are hitting, because if it looks big on the video then it is mother-fkng big. Filming is just great stuff. But if you approach it expecting to look like Brendog then well... you'll be disappointed. You can lie a bit with a pic, Oooh I went that fast, smashed this jump, railed that berm bladi bla, But on the video you are 100% exposed.

 i would do that

 So bad I had to upvote.

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 Boosts revenue. What do they care about your compatibility wishes?

 Older gopros would probably look pretty cappy from that far away

 I guess so, they do make a separate accessory for "Hero 4 cameras" (Hero 3 and Hero 4 are the same size so it will work for Hero 3s as well) So that leaves the Hero 2, HD Hero and Hero which at this point are old enough to where you should probably upgrade before getting the Karma drone anyway.

 Older than what? It works with a Hero 4 which is over 2 years old and you can get them pretty cheap. That's fair.

 The older GoPro's are about twice as deep as the HERO 4 and weighs a bit more than the newer models too, and I would assume by using an older unit would throw off the center of gravity a bit making the drone a bit harder to fly and control. not to mention the old camera's wont fit in the housing for a HERO 4.

 Apple still supports even REALLY old computers and phones. Way older than any competitor - what's your problem?

 Turning into Apple? They're turning into the mountain bike industry!

 Gopro 4 and 3+ have SAME dimensions !!!!!!!

 i think the problem is that they lack the interface for image transmission and recognition.
you can probably still mount a GP3 (same form factor) and just have recording, and perhaps transmission but no recognition of shapes and stuff.

ie it seems to be reasonable that you need a GP4 or above to be fully supported, for technical reasons. I do hope you can take off with a GP3 on it though (GP1/2 have diff. form factor and probably wont fit.. and i dont think they can output a hd video stream- only record?)

 @Stenzil: the GP3 is the same form factor as the GP4. About the same weight too.
GP1, GP2, ya you're right.

 @Stenzil: That's not how drones work, otherwise the slightest breeze would send them to the moon. There's really only one true answer here, sales money.

 @bsavery: He wants to be able to connect his old VholdR cam.

 @Stenzil: thats's it... weight. I have a Hero 2 and a Hero 4. The difference is close to half in weight and 1/3 in size, it would make a difference to the drone and the gimbal

 I bet it would take you about 30 seconds with some gaffa tape and you could get the gopro 1 to work with the drone.

 @RedBurn: Battery is in a diff place though. throws the weight off for the gimbal. If you don't believe me check Dji zenmuse range out. they make a dif gimbal for both cameras.. the H3-3d and the H4-3d I had the gopro 4 in an H3-3d and had to use a coin on one of the motors to balance correctly..

 any brand will turn into apple if they can mantain the fanboys buying their stuff

 They'll be releasing the hero 6 with the dharma next year

 @zion-i: Ha!

 What worries me is why did they call it Karma? Because it falls on people's heads unexpectedly?

 Careful now, thats common sense you're talkin. The marketing department ain't got time for that.

 Also looks like they have finally added a replaceable lens cover instead of needing a full case just to protect the lens.

 HERO5 Black is waterproof to 33ft (10m) without a housing

 Yes, both the session5 and hero5 are waterproof! no more cases!!

 The one nice feature about the current waterproof housing GoPro uses is that's it's sacrificial. If you have a bad crash or it falls off a mount on a car etc, you can replace the housing for $30 and chances are the camera is fine. A touch screen and/or glass lens won't fair too well in a bad crash or mount failure. So if you're engaged in an activity like mountain biking, you'll probably want to use the new Hero 5 "Super Suit" housing.

 The case does more than protect the camera from water damage, it also helps protect it from physical damage as well, and for some of us who have a difficult time keeping our bikes upright like the idea of only having to replace the case instead of the entire camera after a good wreck.

 @Aarrce The gopro 5 and both seesions are waterproof without a case to 30 some feet.

For divers, gopro has an additional deep water case that extends its depth to about 100 feet

 They took out the headphone jack, it was very courageous.

 It seemed like a big advert for the CEO, who just comes across as an annoying individual. Really annoying individual.

 agree. I'd prefer technical upgrades over software / cloud BS upgrades. For example interchangeable lenses with optical zoom, etc.

 meanwhile, half an hour after the GoPro event, photos are 'leaked' showing the new mavic from dji lol imgur.com/a/EO5g5

 @mjamo94: That one looks very cool. Also digging the foldable remote.

 Be careful. You just might get hired to work for them.

 terrorists will abuse it...

 @Snowdog85: yes that's the downside. Terrorists will not pay for the live-stream anymore but will get it for free

 All fun and games until someone tries to divebomb a racer..

 Holy Jesus... A comment from you that I fully agree with! Lol I'd love to see drone use for the Tour de France as well

 @2bigwheels - yes, I'd use a fleet of these to crash into those pieces of dumbest human brain tissue, cheering and running way too close to the racers with the main motivation being: I hope my friends see me on Eurosport being drunk and wearing a stupid costume, eventually bumping into a racer. I'd sharpen the ends of rotors, or put a forward pointing dildo right next the to camera and aim for the mouth. Almost like desert storm missile footage. I'd get paid by pro teams to take out these idiots, on camera, for racers watching pleasure. They could look at the compilation during the post-race massage to get extra relaxed. Nothing puts you into a good mood more than a bit of schadenfreude invloving someone you genuinely hate... and I know from pro racers who competed, that this year it's been waaaaaay over the edge.

 @WAKIdesigns: yeah this year was f*cking retarded. Id like to see them get rid of the motorcycles as well. You can't have f*cking riders running into motorcycles during a BICYCLE race.....

 Hubbie of my sister in law rode it and he was really, reaaaaally pissed off. Made a podcast that I'm sure his sponsors were not so fond of... lucky for him he did it in Polish He threw some "words"

 @WAKIdesigns: Really good friend of mine is Polish and man I can't stop laughing when I hear his mom swear at him and what not when we come back late from an alpine climbing trip haha she just goes off and now that he's taught me all the bad words I cant stop laughing when I hear her pop em off.

 @2bigwheels: haha, yea... but the dude in question is actually Italian He learned Polish through his wife.

 That's literally what a press release is for... to release the product

 @BikeChurch: I would atleast expect full spec list in a press release.

 All the other websites are doing it correct. Full details, spec list and everything.

 It only works if you have metric sizing on your bike.

 Pretty handy they've built a screen into the handset so you don't have to buy a tablet as a monitor either like you do with dji. Tidy. Gonna give it a few weeks to see if they all catch fire or something crazy before parting with any cash!

 that would probably work fine on trails out in the open, but on tight twisty trails through dense forests, It'd be hard pressed to miss trees, branches and the occasional diving owl

 dude, hexoplus doing that stuff since a year

 @Stenzil: reviews.mtbr.com/intel-drone-follows-biker-radness-through-trees it'd be cool if they did something like this

 Dji phantom 4 does that.

 What about this with telemetry data? Any good?

www.decathlon.co.uk/virb-x-action-camera-xmas-id_8358004.html?iv_=__iv_p_1_g_25792531856_c_93735755096_w_pla-176526169976_n_g_d_t_v__l__t__r_1o2x_pla_y_15177021_f_online_o_2034797_z_GB_i_en_j_176526169976_s__e__h_9041110_ii__vi__&gclid=CICvyI2pnM8CFVAo0wodCbcBYg

 @Lone-Wolf-Productions: at a fancy 1km an hour (exageration).... tried it used and didnt bother again

 @juanmenendez: I had a similar issue. You have to start off slow and let it get moving. Once you go for about 25 ft or so slow it will follow you fine. Helps if you allow it to move around objects rather than stop when it encounters structures.

 It's not that hard really. The hardest thing is to start and do the first few grinds. I personally require a more complex program right away, so Adobe Premiere for me please. As to pictures I have never ever understood the necessity of RAW for non-rofessional or even semi-professional use. Perhaps because I do lots of burn/dodge, blur/sharpen photo raping. I could not be more arsed with a bit more noise than what you get if you do RAW. Levels/ Color Balance/ Hue Saturation, a bit of editing on separate layers, marque, lasso + eraser.

 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah, it probably isn't that hard but I just don't have the patience for videos. More than half the times I went to the cinema I fell asleep. With a picture you see right away what you have, with a video you have to keep watching to check if it is what you need. If you just need it for online coaching or self assessment you won't have to be too picky but if you want it to be really enjoyable, you will.

Funny thing is, I never understood why people go for .jpg if the camera has the possibility to store in RAW format, except if you need a lot of bursts so that the writing speed becomes an issue. The thing is, when you want the camera to store in .jpg format it needs to process the raw data real quick. A fraction of a second or so. It needs to translates the color from rgb to human perception level (which is a nonlinear transformation with regard to light intensities and such) and do the color balance stuff, it has to do the noise reduction... Obviously the camera software is taking shortcuts there. My not particularly quick computer takes ten seconds per picture to do it properly. Which is fine, it can run in the background. And if I feel that the noise reduction kills the detail, I can adjust it even for different sections. You can't do that afterwards with .jpg. Sure I trust software for processing .jpg files has become more advanced as well. But if you already applied a filter on a picture (not to mention if you stored it in black and white or sepia) and want another filter instead you can only add another filter that compensates for the first. You can never completely remove the first filter. With RAW, you can.

Contrary to what people seem to think, I don't use RAW because I'm some expert. My reason is pretty much the opposite. I'm taking pretty pictures but I want to be able to bother with the finer details later on. Even years later if I think the color or noise reduction wasn't set right. I've got a nice lens with a f1.7 aperture, I got some instructions from a professional who borrowed me his fancy full frame camera to mess about so I know how to work with aperture and shutter speed, over- and underexposure and such. I'm pretty handy with the manual focus (actually I used to be pretty bad with autofocus) and that's it. For all the other stuff I really have to read into it. And with RAW I don't have to make those decisions on the spot.

 @WAKIdesigns: RAW makes complete sense especially when using Adobe Lightroom. LR makes organising and editing very fast and easy. You make adjustments on one image and sync it with the rest from the same batch. RAW gives you the best quality, more flexibility adjusting exposure, pulling back highlights or opening up shadows etc. After you done just set the dimensions, compression, output sharpening as needed and export them out to jpeg - or even straigt to FB, Flickr etc. - leaving the original files intact. You can save presets for editing, exporting so there is no reason not to shoot RAW. I shot semi-professionaly and 99% of the editing is done in Lightroom I open PS only if there is no way of doing it in Lightroom. I don't know other softwares because I'm using LR since the first beta in 2006 but if you are editing pictures one by one I can be a pain I guess.
As for the video I also find it time consuming especially if I want to make a 3 min edit from a 1-2hr footage from two cameras. It gets better with time but usually takes a couple of hours.

 theres some things i love doing RAW but taking photos is not one..

 These days its pretty easy to get the clips on your phone, crop them and edit a little piece together. Instant Instabanger!! 60 second video edits keep me entertained. Plus love going out for a ride by myself and filming a selfie. Keeps me interested in the ride, and riding flat out, all too much temptation to just go for a pootle in the woods, not if you're filming yourself you dont

 @bosnianrider: I am a kind of guy that is fine with jpgs coming off a non-full frame camera and listening to music converted from youtube. Content of the picture is where my focus is.

@graeme187 - If i plan a video session then I find the phone harder to use and frame rate sucks, especially in bad light. It's cool for unplanned super quickies though. Gorilla Pod is the sht to have with it.

 Hippies shouldn't reproduce.

 do you know how they reproduce tho? they cum on their feets and let the flies do the rest.

 @JoseBravo: HAAA. love it.

 They did that on purpose because they probably realized GoPro isn't for athletes anymore nowadays, just for tourists only. Need to make some cool shots so that tourists see how cool it is, as well as some random traveling shots so that tourists realize they can take selfies when they're abroad.

 @Mattin: On the Hero 6, you'll actually be able to smell the patchouli and weed when the release edit comes out. No, I get it though. Everyone has a GoPro now, they're no longer solely for those who ride, ski, surf, or whatever. And yeah, it makes sense for them to market to the masses by featuring some incredibly hip millenial instagram family going on an incredibly hip vacation in their incredibly hip vintage VW camper van.

THAT BEING SAID... the 5 seconds of DH footage on this edit looked incredibly good. And the quality is mind blowing. I honestly may pick one of these up based on the video.

 @martis: cannonball at Mt Hood Skibowl. Overall the PNW is nicely over-represented in this vid!

 I disagree. I borrowed one for my first race this past weekend and love having the video of the practice runs and race runs. Now, about the posting and sharing every little video you take may be more in line with your point.

 I never share my rides because of the exact reason you're pointing BUT watching Rampage and WC POV is 10x more immersive and entertaining than a trackside camera. I can only dream about gopros being used for retransmissions as they do in MOTOGP, F1, LMS etc... Drones might also be a refeshing alternative for JOYRIDE etc

 I have the Session4 and it's quite robust. No scratches yet and I don't own any sort of case, so I 'store' it attached to my 3-way arm.

 The "naked" camera has a protective lens cap that can be replaced in case of crash og abuse.

 @tallak: Ah, sweet. Couldn't quite tell from the photos. Thanks!

 Youtube compresses the ever loving crap out of everything. Even at 1080p, you're barely watching HD video. The same thing applies to cable TV, satellite TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu and any other streaming service to different amounts. Really, the only way you're going to get TRUE 4K content is a fully digital video straight from your camera, off one of the new UHD blurays, or while playing a video game at ultra high resolution.

 @Dethphist: thank you for your answer.

 @Dethphist: UHD Blurays are still compressed and quite heavily, they are just less compressed compared to everything else. Uncompressed 4K has a bit rate around 12Gbps, so on the new 4 layer bluray disc(128gb) you will only fit about 10 seconds of footage on it uncompressed.

 @TOU93: Really? The marketing hype is worse than I thought.

 @TOU93: You are comparing bitrate to bytes so your calculations are off by a factor of 8. Just saying

 @tomki: f*ck, I did too and I do this for a job haha, lucky it's my day off. Well without my bad original maths it's very roughly 1.5min of content and that is video only, no audio.

 USD

 @WolfStoneD: haha

so like $85732299CAD?

damn it

 @WolfStoneD: It helps when you receive pay in USD while living in Canada

 Yes.

 For a very unfortunately priced $299US. For that, I'd rather go with a $80 Chinese-built-and-sold option.

 Ugh! Me too.. I wonder if anyone will ever find my one.

 website says 20-minutes on a 1-hr charge.

 batteries are swappable.... I assume you are referring to the Karma.

 @SpillWay: No, I'm referring to the fact the cameras spec on the website has absolutely no information regarding how long they last. Specifically the Session5. And the Hero5 frankly as it just has the mAh of the battery and not how long the thing will last shooting 4k etc.

 @mgolder: no time for that! Give us your money now

 It has a handheld stabilization device, which is pretty cool. DJI's OSMO is pretty expensive in comparison.

 Are you sure about that? Phantom 4 costs 50% more than the Karma but if you add an Osmo to it then over double...

 @bosnianrider I was wrong about half the price, it just 70% of the price, sorry.

Karma Drone: 799 USD
GoPro: 399 USD
Total: 1198 USD

A Phantom 4, which is much more advanced, has object avoidance, a plethora of sensors and is by far not in the same league as the Karma, costs 1169 USD

A Phantom 3 Professional, which is already better, costs 829 USD

And even the Phantom 3 Standard, which has inferior image quality, but still has great flyability, and 2.7 K video, costs less than 500 USD

www.amazon.com/DJI-CP-PT-000312-Phantom-4-Quadcopter/dp/B01CFXQZD0

www.amazon.com/DJI-Phantom-Professional-Quadcopter-Camera/dp/B00VSITBJO/ref=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1474378641&sr=1-4&keywords=phantom+3+professional

 @Caiokv: When you buy the Karma/GoPro bundle it's $100 cheaper so it's just $1100 and comes with detachable gimbal and grip which is kind of an Osmo, and a backpack so I think it's more portable. I am yet to see the image quality of the Hero 5 so I don't know how it compares to anything. The "much more advanced" system not necessary better - at least not for everybody - because it's usually more complicated to setup and control. Karma controler has a built-in screen so you don't need to attach your phone or tablet just turn it on and ready to go. To me it's appealing and due to it's portability this is the first drone that made me interested. I will see the reviews when they start shipping them and will decide if I'll get one.

 @Caiokv: Just want to say that for the phantom, you would also have to get a tablet or the remote but The prices still seem pretty even to me.

 *For the remote

 @Profighterno1 @bosnianrider

Yeah, I was checking some of the first hands on the Karma, and the main point was that it is much more portable, and the lack of lots of different features might help less savvy users. On point that convinced me on the Karma was that it is like a Point and Shoot vs a DSLR, although it might not be the most powerful tool for the job, it might be the best suited one.

I own a Phantom 3, and although I love the way it flies, and all the flight modes, it takes a while to get used to the software, and it's so bulky I sometimes leave it at home...

After all the Karma could end up being a better option for biking and hiking (my main uses).

 @Caiokv: Yes, the point and shoot /DSLR comparison is good. I stopped carrying my DSLR a year ago and bought a premium compact and I am really happy with it. I'm thinking on the same way as my priority is portability and I think the Hero 5 will have acceptable quality. But if it really doesn't have "follow me" mode that can be a dealbreaker for me.

 @bosnianrider: The follow me on Phantom 3 Std is really bad actually, but there are companion apps that help a little. The P4 has a subject recognition mode, but I may be wrong.
GoPro would hardly skip a follow me feature, since this is the most important feature for a "portable" drone.

 @Caiokv: So far what I read no follow me feature on Karma. I don't know if they can/will add it in a firmware upgrade.

 @bosnianrider: Thats a deal breaker for an adventure drone.... But DJI will release their foldable drone next week, mavic or something like that, as a direct hit on the karma. Let's wait and see what it will be!

 @Caiokv: Yes, I'm waiting for the mavic announcement and then decide.

 @bosnianrider: So, the Mavic is less expensive (999,00 USD) and besides having a ton of features (that the Karma could get along the road), it has a lot of sensors for height and obstacle avoidance.

Hope I can get one this year!

 @Caiokv: I am still on the fence. On one hand the size/obstacle avoidance/follow features of the Mavic are killer but also the removable gimbal of the Karma especially for biking mounted on chest. While the Karma can probably get follow features with a firmware upgrade but the size and obstacle avoidance cannot be changed with it...

 No, it comes with Rajesh.

 If Sony somehow manages to get rid of the sound of the wind then it will become as good as GoPro. (unless they've already done that, haven't really followed them lately)

 @Mattin: just go slower works wonders for wind noise reduction.

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