There were so many World Cup riders in town for the DH National Series Round 2 at Fort William it would be criminal not to have a closer at some of their bikes.
KJ Sharp's RAAW DH
Adam Brayton's Nukeproof Dissent
Matt Walker's Saracen Myst
Phil Atwill's Propain Rage CF
Joe Breeden's Intense M29
Charlie Harrison's Trek Session
Danny Hart's Prototype Cube
Mille Johnset's Commencal Supreme DH
Dennis Luffman's Canyon Sender
Phoebe Gale's Canyon Sender
Laurie Greenland's Santa Cruz V10
Sion Margrave's Specialized Demo
Roger Vieira's Specialized Demo
Taylor Vernon's Commencal Supreme
Jim Monro's Atherton 200
Jamie Edmondson's Trek Session
Luke Williamson's RAAW DH
Mikayla Parton's Trek Session
Thibault Laly's Santa Cruz V10
Melanie Chappaz's Specialized Demo
Luke Meier-Smith's Propain Rage CF
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Absolutely, especially when lined up right against all these other bikes, makes all of them look like squiggly over-designed trash. If I could take one home today it would be that RAAW. Extra points for the borderline non-branded parts in all black. Looks like it should be the first result in a google image search for "DOWN HILL BICYCLE".
For a DH bike I don't see much of a downside. Even some of these high pivot bikes are running them. Isn't the main purpose of the high pivot to eliminate pedal kickback?
@WalrusRider: more to have a rearward axle path. The idler is then used to lower the kickback. Most high pivot bikes still have a few degrees of kickback
@wburnes: yes exactly! That's why I run a 6 degree Ochain on that bike. About 9 or 10 degrees of kickback in first gear, but a bit less in the harder gears that I actually use when racing. In those gears (4-6) I don't have any kickback with the 6° Ochain or only a tiny bit when fully bottomed out!
Joe Breeden not on the prototype? Haven't we seen this story before where riders don't get along with whatever Intense cooks up for the protype and they just go back to the old production DH rig?
@Afterschoolsports: I'm going to assume it could have to do with the track. It's not as steep as some others, and full of rocks that require roll over ability.
Off topic, but I love seeing that he's on that M29 because the first year of the Snowshoe world cup that exact bike got delivered to our condo by accident. Like literally our door was open and some backwoods WV airport luggage courier comes in and just drops it in the living room and leaves. We were freaking out lol but it was like 2 AM so we got it back to Joe in the morning.
I remember hearing on a Gwin video that on the prototype, because of the shock placement, you have to unbolt the shock to adjust pressure or settings every time. I imagine that means if your mechanic isn't there you ride the standard bike.
@Geckoblue545: I think they have a cover under the downtube that can be popped off. Also, what pro rider can’t take a shock off? Any rider of any experience should be able to take a shock off. Most of the time it’s literally just two bolts.
If you ride in wet conditions they’re an absolute game changer. Those marsh guards are fine for summer but the fender styles mid guards will keep 90% of the crap from hitting your goggles. People in other countries don’t use them because they think they look weird. Here it’s the other way round. You look weird squinting through puddles without a mud guard.
@thenotoriousmic: Yep I can imagine that, whistler is ‘mostly’ dry all summer and when it does rain it drains pretty well, just the multi day storm when there water sitting on top of the rock solid trails you get lots of dirt getting past the marsh guards into your face. Or I’m just weak and don’t ride in the rain now? The more I see the bigger guards the more I get used to them, all these dh bikes look pretty good
@jazzawil: I think that over here we always ride throughout the year, as we don’t really have much in the way of winter sports or snow, so full length mudguards get much more use. I don’t even bother taking mine off in the summer as you can be sure that as soon as you do it’ll pour with rain.
@Jprestidge: Yep, I took mine off for summer once, then got mud in my eye on an 'Ard Rock stage and it lost me plenty of seconds, so I've never taken it off since.
Usually a camera lens effect from lining up the bike slightly rear wheel closer, or moving yourself slightly to the rear of the bike. Plus how it's held up.
I'd like to see what their method is. If they're doin the ol hold it and jump away for a split second or if they have a nifty little acrylic stand behind a wheel or somethin.
@two-plank: Maybe it's because the mudguard + 29er means the frame doesn't have the clearance. So if you fit a mudguard you have to downsize the wheel. Only a theory.
TRP/Hayes take over. Wait till UCI DH.. youll see all the Sram Stuff back.
Again, its not the product but the user. I've ran many Code series of brakes and all have been good. the best part is - bikes i buy usally have xt on them and they sell for a premium and codes sell cheap.
FYI, I can bleed Sram great and have no issues, but recently came up with a cheeky vacuum pump system, that runs on AC or DC(12v) the thing is fantastic and takes less time and less time being spread eagle lol.
@HeatedRotor: i currently have sram code r's on an enduro and dh bike. they're fine for loose dusty stuff but in chunky, rooty long rides theyre always burning when i get to the bottom. I always have arm pump from trying to squeeze them so tight. maybe the rsc's will better. I think i am going to buy some saints or xts though. i would try out the trps but i just dont know anyone that has them so i cant really test them out
@ridelife6: Yep; I have the same issue with RSCs. I’ve gone up to 220mm rotors front and rear and it seems to help, but I’m still tempted to get something better, the Codes seem to overheat too fast.
@eblackwell: you've sold me on moving away from sram. I was tempted to get just the rsc lever b/c the code r calipers are the same as the rsc's and then 220mm rotors. but the levers are still like 200$ so its still a good chunk of change when you compare it getting a whole new set of brakes
@HeatedRotor: You need to try a set of properly bleld Shimano 4 pots, with properly shimmed pad throw and rotor alignment. Codes are cute, with their built in coping mechanism called "modulation", but if you want brutal stopping power XTR's/Saints are the way to go.
@Brave1i1toaster: ill always say saints are good, but ive used alot of sets of XT etc, and if you want to "huck a skid" to be cool, shimano brakes are all the rage. I have XT's on my new spectral.. waiting on more TRP stock... they are superior to both Sram and shimano. Ive done alot of testing with Codes vs XT's, i always get hand/arm pain with XT's on the steep stuff and feel like im just sliding and "about to lock up" all the time, where as codes have a much shorter stopping distance as they wont just "lock" i remember when i couldnt get any RSC's for like 6 months and had to live with xt, then got codes and wonderd why i was going so slow... was all down to how well they slowed me down
@HeatedRotor: It probably just boils down to rider/driver preference, from motorsports to MTB I prefer insant-bite, low input effort setups, where the operating range is only about ~15-20% of a lever/pedals travel.
@Brave1i1toaster: fair, my problem with Shimano brakes is: you get get instant bite but then nothing more and for us heavier riders shimano brakes(more talking non SAINT) cant supply the past bite power/feel
So many O-Chains (exceptthe high pivot bikes)....does that say that the bikes have bad enough kickback to require it or does it just assist with a bit of freedom? They must be worth it considering the first few degrees of "dead" on the initial pedal stroke. Full admission, I've never ridden with o-chain.
Fox 40 on the front, DHX2 on the rear. Judging from the sticker on the fork it's had some tuning from Sprung suspension, they are a tuner/service centre.
Even most pro riders drag the rearbrake a lot, it gets way hotter than the front. It may not be fashionable but a bigger rotor in the back makes sense. Or go straight double 223. The standard Galfer 223 rotor is brilliant btw.
Some kind of linear potentiometer, it 'measures' how far the suspension traveled and it can be shown on a laptop, etc for further evaluation what could be optimized in the suspension settings. There are some manufacturers but every decent engineer should be able to build something like that.
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Again, its not the product but the user. I've ran many Code series of brakes and all have been good.
the best part is - bikes i buy usally have xt on them and they sell for a premium and codes sell cheap.
FYI, I can bleed Sram great and have no issues, but recently came up with a cheeky vacuum pump system, that runs on AC or DC(12v) the thing is fantastic and takes less time and less time being spread eagle lol.
I have XT's on my new spectral.. waiting on more TRP stock... they are superior to both Sram and shimano.
Ive done alot of testing with Codes vs XT's, i always get hand/arm pain with XT's on the steep stuff and feel like im just sliding and "about to lock up" all the time, where as codes have a much shorter stopping distance as they wont just "lock" i remember when i couldnt get any RSC's for like 6 months and had to live with xt, then got codes and wonderd why i was going so slow... was all down to how well they slowed me down
Heat is always a pad/rotor thing.
They must be worth it considering the first few degrees of "dead" on the initial pedal stroke. Full admission, I've never ridden with o-chain.