Retro Bike Check: Andrew Griffiths' 1994 Giant ATX John Tomac

Sep 1, 2023 at 14:11
by Nick Bentley  


I asked Andrew to send me some information about the bike and to explain why he chose this particular bike to bring back to life. Normally, I would take that and rewrite it, but Andrew's passion is the biggest story here. So, here's what he said about what brought him to the point he's at now with this bike:

"I consider myself lucky to have ridden the wave of the MTB craze in the early 90s. It has been pivotal in shaping my life and career and remains an integral part of my life. After a brief gap from BMX racing, these new, bigger-wheeled off-road bikes came on the scene with their mix of intoxicating, ever wilder colors, progressive designs, riders with serious style and attitude, backed up by accessible magazine media coverage – I was hooked! Out of all this incredible journey of excitement and inspiration in my teenage years, one character stood out as the epitome of what MTBing meant to me. A rider that would win a World Cup XC race in the morning and then take the top spot in the World Cup DH in the afternoon. A rider that always appeared to be pushing the technical boundaries of the sport with cutting-edge kit and advancing performance gains with tech unseen in the MTB cycling world, yet married with unmistakable riding style – oh, and he managed his own sponsorship dealings and race schedule! This Hall of Fame rider needs no introduction, the great John Tomac.

A poster of JT proudly adorned my teenage bedroom wall well into my late twenties, the iconic photo of the American eagle airbrushed BELL helmet, black skin-tight all-in-one aero suit, aboard a Tioga Disk Drive wheel-equipped Giant DH-specific bike. Cornering at full gas with unmistakable JT style, a rooster tail dust cloud in his trail. This is an image that has stayed with me to this day and given immense inspiration, along with still creating a smile inside every time I think about it – this one photo centralizes my unescapable relationship with MTBing and its constant enjoyment.

I’ve been lucky enough to have remained in the cycle industry since starting at the age of 12 as 'the Saturday boy' in the bike shop workshop, moving on to frame building, wheel building, marketing, brand building, management, systems, operations, and everything in between - currently playing my part helping to run UK cycling distributor Saddleback.

The retro MTB bug has featured in my life for a little while now, having started by reliving my youth rebuilding early 90s MTBs I still owned, helping friends with retro RockShox MAG rebuilds and projects, and lusting after those bikes and bling parts that I could never have afforded back in the day. With my retro MTB hero always in mind, I started researching JT bikes, with the YETI and Raleigh replicas quite numerous, but never the first Giant bikes that Tomac transitioned to in early September 1994.

So, the challenge and journey began to build a rideable replica of the 1994 DH bike from the iconic photo that inhabits my passion and relationship with MTBing."

And here is that very bike.

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1994 Giant ATX
Frame: Giant ATX
Shock: Noleen
Fork: Tioga Showa air/oil (57mm travel), Tioga Alchemy 1/18” threadless headset
Wheels Rear: Tioga Disk Drive Kevlar lattice, Shimano M900 XTR hub on Mavic 231 36h CD
Wheel Front: Tioga Suspension front hub on Mavic 231 32h Silver
Tires: Tioga Psycho Kevlar 26” x 1.95”
Drive Train: Tioga Revolver chromoly 175mm cranks, Tioga Revolver BB, Tioga 54t single chainring, Shimano M900 XTR 11-18 HyperGlide 8-speed cassette, Sachs Sedis chain, Shimano M900 XTR derailleurs, GripShift SRT-500R shifters
Brakes: Magura RaceLine
Cockpit: Tioga DL-2001 straight bar 560mm, Tioga Powerstuds bar ends, ATI Tomac grips, Tioga Alchemy AL2 stem 150mm
Seatpost: Tioga Carbo
Saddle: Selle Italia Flite with Titanium rails
Pedals: Shimano M739 SPD
Size: John Tomac custom size
Weight: 12.98 kg / 28.6 lbs (with pedals)

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Let's start with the core of the bike, it's a Giant ATX frame. The frame itself has been a bit of a mission for Andrew. He has effectively made a new frame using his skills as a bike builder and a collection of late 90s Giant ATX frames, alloy frame tubes, plus a ton of time to rework the front triangle as well as retro-correcting the geometry to the steeper angle as it would have been back in the day. Andrew didn't do this alone; the aluminium welding was kindly looked after by a welding pro, and new cable guides were added in the exact positions as the 1994 bike by Alan at Ceeway frame supplies.

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Just the week before the Malverns Classic, the frame welding was completed, and that left one week to go until the 2023 Retro Bike Show and Shine competition. With all the components required for the build assembled, though all disassembled into individual parts, the challenge was on to see if Andrew could achieve the impossible and get his dream bike done in time.

Andrew's description of that week of madness is this: "Tuesday to Thursday of that week involved an all-night frame sanding session and undercoating. Friday was the first day of the final color base coat and clear coat running into Saturday. Saturday was an all-day mission to get the paint to harden enough to start assembly, with the enjoyable bit of the bike build starting midday Saturday. At that point, it looked like the bike would go to the retro-ball, with decals applied (thanks to Guy at RetroDecals) at 1 am Sunday morning and Magura RaceLines converted over to the Euro brake setup, the final touch." Not that you would notice this was all done in a week; the attention to detail is unbelievable.

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The Giant ATX has 80mm of rear travel, which sounds crazy considering this was a DH race-winning bike. How times and tracks have changed. It's a Noleen coil shock on the back of this ATX.

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Out front, you find a set of Tioga Showa air/oil forks with 57mm of travel. Again, I think it's interesting to see how far suspension forks have come and from where we have come. Andrew somehow was able to locate the unobtainium Tioga Showa fork, although it wasn't in the iconic blue color. With anodizing the parts blue out of the question, he took the challenge to his local powder coating company, Prestige Wheels in Yate, who located a cobalt blue, and the results were a perfect match. The Tioga suspension brought with it a problem; the front hub needed for it was a tricky beast, as Andrew discovered it not only took straight-pull spokes but also that they were super narrow 15g. The solution was to machine out the spoke holes to accept more readily available 14g spokes, with the challenge then to work out the correct spoke pattern and length for the straight-pull build, just one of the many challenges involved in this bike build.

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Now, this being a Tomac bike build, there is no surprise to see the Tioga Disc Drive wheel fitted to the back of this bike; these wheels and John Tomac are pretty much synonymous. The Disk Drive provided some suspension to alleviate the overly stiff rear-end configurations prevalent at the time. The Kevlar strands functioning as spokes enabled the hub to "hover," effectively smoothing out square-edge impacts and considerably boosting traction. Perhaps most notably, the wheel possessed the capability to store energy as it flexed into the apex of a turn and then discharge that stored energy upon exiting the turn, creating a sensation akin to being propelled out of the corner. Tire-wise, there is a set of Tioga Psycho Kevlar 26” x 1.95” tires, and as someone who is a sucker for a set of tan walls, I'm a big fan of these tires.

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We are not quite in the disc brake era just yet, but who needs them when you have a set of Magura's RaceLine HS22 hydraulic rim brakes; these things are so powerful they could crush rims, well, depending on your rim, but for sure they're not without power.

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When it comes to the drivetrain, we see a 1-by setup (it's a DH bike after all). The Tioga Revolver chromoly 175mm cranks have a Giant Tioga 54T chainring fitted to them with a Shimano M900 front mech standing in as a chain guide. There is more XTR out back too, with Shimano's M900 XTR Mech working on a M900 XTR 8-speed cassette, all controlled by a set of GripShift SRT-500R shifters.

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Upfront, there is a set of Tioga DL-2001 straight handlebars cut down to a staggering, by today's standards, 560mm. There is a set of Tioga Powerstuds bar ends, color-matched to the Tioga Alchemy AL2 stem, which is 150mm long, all finished off with a set of ATI Tomac grips.

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Finally, there is a Selle Italia Flite with Titanium rails fitted to a Tioga Carbo seat post. It's amazing to think that this bike comes in at 12.98 kg with a set of Shimano M739 SPD pedals fitted.

Congratulations to Andrew on his win at the 2023 Malverns Classic Retro Show and Shine; it's well deserved.

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73 Comments
  • 67 0
 Who would want a 35lb trail bike when you can have a World Cup winning 28lb DH bike?
  • 47 0
 I remember when I put a Mavic 231 rim with a 2.1 panaracer smoke tire on the rear of my 1986 Rockhopper, I thought I had the baddest ass bike of all time......
  • 12 0
 517 citron rims with velociraptors here. Thought I was the coolest guy around lol
  • 15 0
 @cuban-b: remember when 26 x 2.1 velociraptors seemed HUGE? They gripped like crazy. I never even thought about rolling resistance either.
  • 2 0
 @jokermtb:
You did !! I can still see them, multi color fades with yellow logos.. and the smoke / dart combo was a crusher.
  • 2 0
 Aaaah, the Smoke and the Dart...clearly a last gasp attempt by Big Tobacco to get otherwise healthy kids into smoking.
  • 1 0
 For me it was tiogas 2.3 on a welded and machined rhino lite. That was one of the first parts I bought for my first (purchased with my own money) bike. A beloved Kona Nunu with a Z5 crammed on the front. Shore ready.
  • 28 0
 Where's the pro's and con's
  • 5 0
 Pros: A beautiful job of building an historical bike

Cons: I can’t imagine any who rode bikes from that era actually wanting to take that bike down a modern downhill trail
  • 1 0
 @endoguru: ...down hill courses then are not the down hill courses they ride know. Get real dude just as in motocross the courses and track changed as suspension development changed.
  • 20 0
 Gravel bikes in a few years
  • 12 0
 My first two time racing the Mt7 Psychosis was on a 1996 Giant ATX980. I think 2.5" of rear travel? And I had a 5" travel Noleen Chubby LT front fork. LX V-brakes haha. Kids these days will never know just how tough mtb'ing used to be!
  • 2 1
 Hahahaha, more like:
these old MTBs will never know just how tough kids are these days
  • 2 0
 @uponcripplecreek: the kids do what they do on bikes now because the kids today have bikes capable of what they do now.
  • 11 0
 Nice, those 8 speed Grip Shifters were great. Likely a 11-28 cassette, not 11-18.
  • 10 0
 I so remember seeing this bike in MBA back in the early 90s!
  • 6 0
 Need a zoom-in on those sweet Revolver cranks. Maybe my favorite Tioga product ever. I have a set on my desk awaiting installation on my own retro ride once I source the bearings.
  • 4 0
 This thing is a work of art. I really, really, really dig it. Would love to try a disc rear wheel at some point, seems pretty interesting! I wonder how aging impacts their durability and safety?
  • 5 0
 "This retro classic has brought back to like using Andrew's as a bike builder and a collection of late 90s Giant ATX frames."

Huh?
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I had to read that a couple of times, too. I think the frame isn't original, but was instead built from pieces of other frames?
  • 3 1
 So surely it isn't a Giant ATX frame is it?! It's a tribute frame at best, made from parts of scrapped original frames? I mean, all credit for the effort, but call it what it is
  • 3 0
 Are the pedals different from the 737? Is that a typo? I was under the impression they didn't change for a good decade or so. I wanted one of those disc wheels badly when I was young. Saw John at Mount Snow in '91 and you could hear him coming from quite far away. Very distinctive noise. Too bad they only last for 200 hours. Cool bike!
  • 1 0
 Yep, that's a typo for sure--737s.
  • 1 0
 @OceanPhil: those are the best part of this build. Some of the only double spring spds ever made. So easy to get in and out of.
  • 2 0
 @EdSawyer: I agree, had the OG greyeen shoes too, at one point in the mid-90s I tried the ridiculous OnZa offerings--got stuck, and had to remove my shoe from my foot to escape and then a screwdriver to release the shoe from the pedal. Loved the old-school ATACs, switched to CrankBros got tired of their butter-cleats, and now back on SPDs--full oval.
  • 2 0
 @OceanPhil: 737s lasted forever but the screws holding them together fell out all the time, when you lost one you put in a derailleur screw, and they didn't like mud or snow.
  • 5 0
 I remember lusting over this bike when I was 13 years old. I read the front hub as a 'Tioga, suspension front hub' and thought the hub provided some sort of suspension LOL.
  • 5 0
 That M900 rear derailleur is still , in my opinion, the prettiest one Shimano made. My favorite.
  • 2 0
 believe it or not we were riding mtbs w/stems = bar grip width, when you factored in the from bar-ends. you had to hover you butt over the rear wheel to go down anything bigger than a curb on your 35psi skinwall smoke/dart combo on cut down MA-40 mavic rims.
  • 2 0
 Awesome. Not why I'm commenting. Does anyone remember the Manitou EXD 6? that was the Doug Bradbury creation, circa 96, that had a 48" WB, 6" travel fr/ r and dirt bike tires on custom aluminium rims (way lighter than stock moto rims). I can only find 2 pics after a decent search... anyone ??
  • 1 0
 @tulow:
I believe I do, I recall seeing it at an inter bike in Anaheim back then if my memory serves me correctly. Wild for the time. I had already laid eyes on the Balfa NR and mind was fully blown..I needed more travel immediately. I will have to try and find it in the many places to search, but may have an actual picture of it.
  • 1 0
 Someone from pinkbike should get in touch with these guys: youtu.be/A32c7pL-j1s?si=ukB2m432pFqKc7dH . They have a very good knowledge in terms of retro downhill bikes, lots of details covered in their FB group. There are aleo some big names from the industry that joined the group. Watch that space Smile
  • 1 0
 Just watched it...cool, thanks for posting. I'm more into the vintage XC as I was when I started riding back in 94 but do remember watching and seeing a lot of downhill development in person and in magazines.
  • 1 0
 Really cool to see how much they got right with this one in 1994. Very similar suspension design to the current WC winning bikes, 1x chain and derailleur drivetrain. Geo, damper, braking and small updates have been tweaked, but the bike is largely the same as the best in category now.
  • 1 0
 Nice job Andrew. Got love the negative comments though from people who really don't get it from bike of this era. I'm sure you have seen the documentary on Tomacs yeti C26. It be interesting to see the absence of drop bars since that was his perfered bars then. I would venture by this time courses and development of bikes brought Tomacs to reality about drop bars, that how bad of a bad ass he was. The vintage bug has bit me big time to. So much the only way to reel myself in is to not look for anything and concentrate on what I have found. Anyway one again beautiful build
  • 4 0
 front derailleur = chain guide?
  • 2 0
 Yup. we used whatever was available and would get the job done. The market was small and so innovation and variety in parts for fringe use cases came slowly.
  • 4 0
 @big-red: plus the epic chain wrap of a 54T cog!
  • 3 0
 I still have this FD as chainguide setup on my city beater nobody wants to steal.
  • 1 0
 Why is the Psycho in the rear mounted the wrong way direction?
I always ran them front/rear the same. I never liked them though - too much squirming and slow rolling. I liked Panaracers better.
  • 7 0
 Traction. Arrow-shaped tread tires would have better traction mounted backwards on the back wheel. Then again,I would expect braking would be prefered on a DH bike...
  • 2 0
 @nozes:

The Tioga Farmer John (named for guess who?) was a chevron tread. Self-cleaning if 'arrowed' and massive traction if 'cupped'. I used to run a 'mullet' with Farmer John 1.95 in the back and Spec HardPack II 2.2 in the front.
  • 2 0
 Didnt Tomac partner with Kenda for some signature Nevegals? I have a set on my 2007 single speed, but not sure if they would be period correct?
  • 2 0
 Had the ATX 970. It felt so damned plush after a hardtail. Soaked up everything. Bet it would feel shonky as hell now. Think Warner rode one too, hence his Instagram handle.
  • 4 0
 ma! they raced downcountry back in the 90s!
  • 3 0
 Eternal Dart/Smoke vs Psycho dilemma. We had 4 tires, 4 forks and 2 pedals to choose from.
  • 2 0
 @goranNaVAjt:
Then we were saved by the Onza porcupine!
  • 1 0
 @jgottya1: When did the IRC Mythos hit the scene, I really liked those and WTB Velociraptors in the mid 90's!
  • 1 0
 @psyfi: I can recall the mythos but not the time frame, they were not overly popular in my area as a lot of thorns and the knobs were fairly spaced out to my recollection. I think they may have been just pre-slime tube era…The velociraptors were a huge hit and were always flying off the shelf at the shop I was at back then. The mint green Michelins were really good for the time, forgo the name though.
  • 3 0
 Remember when Levy would do a fun feature where he'd ride some old bike and then have a pro ride it? I enjoyed those
  • 2 0
 Pretty sure that it was GIL at RetroDecals thst supplied the stickers, and not Guy.
  • 1 0
 I had the production version ATX 980. Sold the frame for $20 back in 2009!

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/481154/
  • 1 0
 Psycho Kevlar 26” x 1.95”, Qu'est-ce que c'est?
Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away, oh-oh-oh
  • 2 1
 A very well-kept classic, however, the mechanic in me can only see the back tire is on backwards.
  • 18 0
 Back in the day, people would mount rear tires backwards to use the braking edges for extra climbing traction. That’s become far less common as tire tech has matured though.
  • 4 0
 @toxic-toast: Michelin hot S front and rear with the rear backwards was the ticket back in the day
  • 1 0
 Shimano SPD pedals largely unchanged since then, amazing feat of engineering.
  • 1 0
 All I see is the bolt heads and ends sticking out of the linkages waiting for me to drag my calves across them.
  • 1 0
 Sorry, I can't handle it being a bike rat from this era but since you said it twice. Those are 737's not. 739 spd pedals.
  • 2 0
 sweet
  • 1 0
 I would run those grips today if they still made them.
  • 1 0
 where's the drop bars tho?
  • 1 0
 What's better than Tioga components?
  • 1 0
 So awesome!.
  • 1 0
 Thats beautiful
  • 1 1
 Rear tire is on backwards.
  • 1 0
 Nah, that's how I ran my Psycho's on the rear BITD
  • 2 0
 It a down hill bike. Tires were purposely mounted backwards so the directional tread would be more complementary to braking instead of climbing.
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