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@properp: agreed ... ebike is a lame name and motorcycle is taken and the MX crowd would not be happy about bicycles with motors having the same name. Moped is as lame as ebike plus they run on devil juice. For 15 minutes in the 80's MTB were ATB's (All Terran Bikes... ugh puke) Ebikes are motorized for sure, and way more fun on the trails we ride then motor-less. Wait, thats it ... MTB's become MMTB's aka Motorless Mountian Bikes and we take MTB! Grape is the best

I'm boycotting all Emanufactures ... oh wait Shimano, Rockshock, Sram, Maxis ... are in on the Edemise of mtn biking. The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!! my hair is on fire my hair is on fire

@properp: Its not a motorcycle ... its not a bicycle. just a super fun thing to ride. I guess I just dont get how I'm a lazy Society Sloth for going out and having a great time on something that rips on single track, doesn't make noise or effect other user groups (if ridden with respect ... just like mtbs, horses, MX bikes etc...), may trash trails less then even some non moto users, gets me out for 20 mile 2,500 vert trail ride after work and still get a wicked work out and before you bemoan the workout, ride one for a few days on some legal flowy single track. ebikes are reinvigorating a stagnant market similar to what MTB'd did to the bike industry and snowboards did for the ski industry in the 80's /90's. The industry probably figures half the riders on a board like this will be "lazy Society sloths" in 2 - 3 years and they are right.

@properp: 6 hardcore longtime mtn biking friends all were all nice enough to go out and try it with me while rehabing from an accident. I had a demo for myself and the LBS was nice enough to loan me an extra for a few weeks so friends could go try it too. All 6 now have ebikes. as I said, these are not people with lots of cash on hand ... they just loved the bikes so much and had so much fun, they had to get them. My nephew once said "who doesnt smile on a jet ski" ... I assure you I don't. Hate the damn noise machines that ruin the enjoyment of lakes for every other user group, but drop a noiseless motor on one that wouldnt effect my enjoyment of a lake, well thats another matter! Still wouldnt want one, but they would no longer be as big a bother. Hate all you want, but the quite revolution is here so just start wrapping your head around it or just stay angery until you finally get out and Eride some trails for a few days. Sort of off topic here but keep in mind the fittest still wins when riding with other eriders. Regarding your commnets: Overpriced: ask a non rider if just a $1,000 (let alone $3000 plus for a decent one)is a lot for a mtn bike? Under-preforming: They climb the unclimabmable and make rolly terrian and gnarly climbs way more fun. the long slow grinding climbs are now super fun to ride up. Pathic: did you mean pathetic, if not, at least my eriders friends are not the passive males of greek mythology you may seek. Motorcycle: 50% moto / 50% bicycle ... but way more fun then the moto in my opinion

@brytar: hang on before buying your next bike, there will be plenty of highend non erides avail for cheap at garage sales or for free in mtn town dumpsters ... right next to straight skis, toe clip pedals, rigid forks, etc. Please tell me you never got on a chairlift to ride unless it was powered by sunshine and daises.