Production Privée's Steel Full Suspension Frame: The Shan Nº5

Jan 26, 2017 at 2:56
by PRODUCTION PRIVEE CREW  
Press Release


Following on from the SHAN 26, the SHAN 27, the OKA and the SHAN GT, we bring you our fifth frame, the SHAN N°5. We first outlined this project two years ago, but the developmental pace picked up rapidly at the beginning of 2016.

Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike

Once the design had been confirmed, the fabrication of the first two prototypes was left to our Pyrenean friends at Milc, a small company specialising in prototype production.

Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike
Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike

Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike
Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike

We’ve been intensively (and discreetly) testing the N°5 since May. After 8 months of trail testing, adjustments, suspension tests, and general weeding out of any issues, the SHAN N°5 was born.

Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike

As with all our frames in the SHAN range, we’ve created a playful bike with superb versatility, but without sacrificing the comfort and performance a modern full-suspension bike can bring. Throw a steel frame into the mix and you’ve got something very special indeed. The compliance, energy and feel you get from 4130 CroMo tubes is just… magical.

Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike
Shan n 5 in the making our very first full suspension bike

The first pre-series arrives around April, with the first production bikes scheduled for June. We’ve still got a bit of work to do before then, but we will let you know about some tech, specs and price in March.

Like all of our frames, the paint job is chosen with pride at Production Privee. We will release it in March, but be sure SHAN Nº5 will take inspiration from iconic cars like our previous bikes…

This video will hopefully allow you to imagine yourselves by our sides during the last few months of the project.

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As good news never comes alone, we are also launching our brand new website at the same time:

www.productionprivee.com


MENTIONS: @ProductionPrivee




246 Comments

  • + 152
 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY OVERDRAFT! That looks tasty
  • + 46
 Fairwell student loan
  • + 22
 £1800 for the frame alone, similarly priced to most, if not, on the low side. This is what the student loan is for isn't it, nevermind food lol
  • + 12
 Its either this, that Starling bike or the new DMR.... Absolute raw, aggro, UK trail shredding greatness!!!
  • + 33
 They should just sell it without paint job.
  • + 19
 @sicmoto: maybe you should stay in school because it's farewell... ????
  • + 26
 @dwojo: fareplay
  • + 5
 Don't know if being ironic but it would be 'fair play' lol
  • + 14
 @hairy-g: I was being Eyeronic
  • + 10
 @sicmoto: Twoshay
  • - 11
flag barrysbikes (Jan 27, 2017 at 6:21) (Below Threshold)
 @chyu: CHROMO = Rust
  • + 7
 @barrysbikes: clearcoat = crisis averted
  • + 6
 So happy to steel becoming popular again...
  • + 2
 @chyu: Just clear over the steal - would be lovely
  • + 98
 Single pivot with a shock yoke. You lucky Production privee that it's made of steel and that you are a small company. If Specialized made it from carbon Pinkbikers would tear it apart with stingy comments. Even though it would be pretty much exactly same frame.
  • + 29
 These look like its a standard shock, though. Not some funky end like shocks on the Specialized bikes.
  • + 16
 And if Brian Lopes was riding it...watch out. Lol
  • + 30
 @krisrayner: brian lopes on specialized would cause an internal meltdown on pinkbike with so much negative pressure from the comments, it would become a blackhole and life as we know it would be crushed into infinite oblivion. I think flyin brian new that so he chose ellsworth instead to save pinkbike and all of humanity
  • + 20
 @makripper: No the black hole would such us into a new dimensions where everyone rides 26" hardtails with 180mm open bath Marzocchi forks, flat pedals, Shimano brakes, 30mm internal width rims, Highrollers, Fox droppers, Hope hubs and 5000W electric engines run on Red Bull as fusion fuel
  • + 21
 I think you need to look a little closer, the yoke is attached to a normal shock eye. just like Ibis, Salsa and many other brands It is something Specialized purposely chose not to do and make it proprietary. That is the issue people have with Specialized.
  • + 22
 I'm confused- that's a standard shock mount, just turned 90 degrees. And Specialized doesn't make single pivot bikes. Or steel bikes. Actually, this bike is about as far from a Specialized as you can get.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: You mean Bro heaven? sign me up! although my version would be having an eleverlasting camelback full of redbull and my redbull piss poweres the 5000w piss fusion reactor that pours into the roox racing seatpost/funnel
  • + 2
 Is this considered a non-linkage driven single pivot even though it has the shock yoke?
  • + 1
 Huh? It's much the same design as a Kona Process. But steel, which is pretty rad if you ask me. Last I heard, including on pinkbike like last week, the 134 was the top pick amongst trail bikes. So...I think pink bike should freaking love this.

www.pinkbike.com/news/trail-bikes-ridden-and-rated.html
  • + 3
 @makripper: Yes, you should run piss fusion powered Magura rim brakes too dude!
  • + 4
 @FLATLlNE: There are plenty of single pivot bikes, are you telling me that they all ride as good as Kona? First of all, Kona's suspension has those extra pivots above rear wheel axle (which give a little less brake squat) and is linkage-driven. Another thing is that a single pivot is all about compromises and without seeing leverage ratio, antisquat and pedal kicback you can only tell that it will have a lot of brake squat. So Kona proves that you can make great single pivot bike, ok, it does not mean however that all such bikes are great and that you cannot make even better bike with horst link or virtual.
  • + 2
 @lkubica: no. Thats not what i'm saying. I have no idea if it will ride as well as a process. Just making an obdervation, around simple single pivotnbikes working well as waki seems to want to say people onky like it because it's steel.
Also. Pivots above the wheel axle do very little for brake squat btw. That's why people want four bar, and not faux bar.
  • + 1
 @lkubica: Sorry, but I need to dive back in on this once more. To me, Waki's post came came across as - if a big brand made a simple single pivot bike such as this, Pinkbike would rip on them. But we've seen (linkage driven) single pivot bikes in recent history that get very well reviewed - so why would anyone just start ripping without testing?

This simple linkage drive single pivot has the potential to work pretty well, even without the extra seatstay link which really doesn't do a heck of a lot of anything for break jack - as I understand it. Yes, VPP and FSR is nice sure - I just sold a Norco Range, I've owned a Nomad, and I own a Banshee Rune along side a 111 right now, and I have to say the Process is my favorite ride. Sure it might squat and skip under heavy braking a little more, as this bike might, but I don't mind it. Looks to me however, that they have placed the main pivot in an area on the bike that should minimize that.

As for pedal kickback and anti-squat (which on a single pivot also ties directly into how efficient it pedals, as I understand it), I doubt either is going to be a huge concern as long as the frame is optimized around the current 1x set-up; but sure, hard to comment on without knowing but given how well most single pivots work these days, I doubt it will be an issue.

Regardless...the point is, without knowing more on the specifics, how can you just slag on the bike because of it's simplicity without knowing more?
  • + 1
 @makripper: You drinking again, Makripper?
  • + 3
 @KeithReeder: its 10am PST of course I am!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • + 1
 @FLATLlNE: "Regardless...the point is, without knowing more on the specifics, how can you just slag on the bike because of it's simplicity without knowing more?"

Yes, you are 100% right, you should not.
  • + 5
 Spesh frames are made in China. Spesh is interested in profit. These bikes are built with passion. There is no comparison.
  • - 1
 @Sshredder: still, it isn't entirely fair to say that people working at the Spesh aren't passionate about designing and riding bikes. I am sure that at least engineers at Spesh (Trek, Giant whatever) love what they are doing as much as guys at Prod Privee.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Not as passionate as the lawyers and marketers....
  • + 1
 @HerrDoctorSloth: I'm going to need to look at your data... how many marketers you know? I've been kind of one, making pretty images of buildings, drawing up smiling people holding babies, sunny weather, nice cumulus clouds, or nice evenings with couples holding hands, old lean men eating salad, nice cars, and buildings themselves had features like roof greenery which would be gone before the project is even delivered for building permission.

I am so happy I no longer do this sht. But trust me, you don't do that, you don't win the contract. How cool is that? PEOPLE WANT TO BE CHEATED! Propaganda doesn't grow on resistant land. It flourishes on pliable ground. Go and shoot everyone around you.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: But you did not work for Special Ed, or have you? If not, your soul is not tainted with a big trademarked S. You are totally right about the propaganda here, it almost does drive somebody to those lengths. Fortunately for everybody, it is hard to get that kind of firepower incognito.
  • + 1
 @HerrDoctorSloth: all I mean is that I talked to some designers and they are stoked, great riders Big Grin And their bosses used to be freaks on bikes that would make many of those latest Start Ups look like. I just could imagine that even Mike Sinyard, Gary Fisher were like mr Ritchey from latest video on PB. But that's just a good hearted assumption.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: It is not easy to capture that true pioneering essence. There is nothing I respect more than vision, insight, and the skills to create that vision. Our forefathers had that in spades, and it can still be found today, you just need to look right. I know that you know what I mean... but am humbled to be trolled by the best of them

o7
  • + 1
 @HerrDoctorSloth: Smile I am not trying to comvince you to anything, just enjoy a good conversation. Now I personally have problem with exactly that what you are describing. We look for that genuine spark of vision and creativity, the spirit of going head on at it. But... why do we believe, so easily, that some small start up has exactly that? Especially that guys from Prod Privee are working in the industry since some time.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns:
I dont think these steel Prod Privi are all that innovative.
The frame just needs to work and perhaps last a while.
They are limited run boutique frames .
I watched the video.
They take tame and many measurments for each and every part that makes up the frame.
Its not about numbers or cute acronyms.
These bikes are all about old school craftsman ship.
Its about feeling good about what you ride.
Spesh engeneers and desighners are awesome.
But spesh bikes are not boutique.
  • + 31
 Wow, that's a beauty! I like the raw version too.
  • - 17
flag RedBurn (Jan 26, 2017 at 12:14) (Below Threshold)
 No curves like a DMR !!
  • + 22
 Banana tubes can fk off
  • + 2
 Was just going to say how nice it looked raw!
  • + 3
 @mossy81: yer darn toot'n Smile
  • + 5
 Ya, def keep a clear coated raw version!
  • + 5
 Meanest raw bike I've seen.
  • + 2
 @excavator666: Yes!! Let us have this option. Please!
  • + 0
 For a moment I thought it looked cool, then I thought that it looked old and rusty like myself.
  • + 1
 @nojzilla: misunderstanding folks i forgot a coma!! I just said the frame was made of straight tubes and no bullshit like dmr are ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb11353911/p5pb11353911.jpg
  • + 1
 Too pretty for makeup, leave the paint off!
  • + 28
 Beginning of the end of carbon!
  • + 9
 It's already dead to me.
  • + 14
 yup i did the carbon frame once, went back to aluminum (and steel depending on the bike). I was tired of getting freaked out every time i heard a rock strike.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: i've already been in a few spills with my metal bike that I know if i was instead on a plastic bike it woudlnt have survived...
  • - 3
 I'm pretty sure this is the bike dirt reviewed and said it was quicker than all of the carbon wonder bikes
  • + 4
 @multialxndr: nah that was a Starling
  • - 11
flag therealtylerdurden (Jan 26, 2017 at 19:32) (Below Threshold)
 @ledude: How do you know that, bud? Ever heard the word 'speculating' before? Cuz that's what your doing.
  • + 4
 Steel is the original carbon
  • - 5
flag therealtylerdurden (Jan 27, 2017 at 0:00) (Below Threshold)
 *you're. Damned autocorrect!
  • - 2
 @therealtylerdurden: pick your battles. You will not win an argument for carbon fibre under article with such bike, where certain type of people run around excited and aggressive with erected penises, looking for a dentist to club to death. As an Elder Troll I can sense the Keep it Real hormones in the air... ekhem - code, already before I open the article. The sperms in the pre-ejaculates at the end of their willies scream Steel is reeeaaaal! Flat pedals for life! 26 ain't dead! Then sperms get tired and whisper... pornhub time... kill us pleaaaase

Good morning! It's going to be a great day! Big Grin
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: lol Beer

Funny thing is, the only bike I own right now is a steel 26" hardtail with flats and a 150mm fork that I ride dh on lol.
  • + 0
 @therealtylerdurden: it has nothing to do with actual product. It's about the attiude Smile
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: The funny thing about the 'bike for a dentist' attitude is that we have even got to the point where a 4130 steel single pivot frame is considered reasonable at £1800.

£1800 for a frame results in a £4k build, easily - Is that not 'dentist' money still or is everybody a lot richer than me (probably true)

I do like the frame though but think a simple single pivot steel bike should be accesible in price - and probably could be if purchased in bulk - I bet we could get a frame like this down to £600 retail with a budget shock considering a 4130 HT frame can be had for around £250 direct sale.
  • - 2
 @Racer951: A decent non-lumbersexual ht steel frame costs anywhere between 350-700€ MSRP. I count out stuff like On-One. I got a few quotes on making frames in Asia and they all started at 120-150 for 100 pieces in 3 sizes in Chro-mo. Reynolds 853/cro-mo started at 220-250. How do I make my profit here?
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I did say it would need to be in bulk - not a small 100pcs order but a real bulk order like the big guys do - 1000pcs - From what you have quoted I imagine by not using a replacable dropout, shock yoke and shock mount you could bring them in at around 200 a frame (very simple design) , add a shock to that and you have a decent profit margin direct-selling them for 600 - no?

On-one was the kind of business model I was using as an example, start introducing dealers, race teams and large marketing budgets and everything costs more.

The reality is though, people wouldnt buy a simple bare-bones frame with sensible suspension kinematics and modern geometry as it would look too simple and be heavier than the competition and much less fancy.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: I wouldn't knock OnOne. I have an OnOne 29er Inbred frame. It's 3 seasons old. 6000 miles. Hit the jumps at Ray's, manuals easy, the BB is stiff. It's a very balanced bike (S, 67.8HT, 48 offset). Probably one of the best feeling bikes in the corners that I've ridden in 20 years. My center of balance feels like it's an inch or two in front of the BB. It's the bike that had me re-think this whole "29er's suck" mentality. (Did take a 29er out 10 years ago for a full day demo, and it sucked) I wish there were still Dual Slalom races in my area. Only way to prove it. Really, the only thing holding it back, an 1/8th steerer. Paid $179 for it, free shipping to the US and zero taxes/tariffs. I have a few Cotic's with 853, I paid around $500, on sale. Rode my brothers Gunner, USA made in Waterford, WI, $1200usd. Yeah, I really like my "cheap" frame. It's not the price or the metal.. You can have it custom drawn too (OnOne has a special draw), even hardened. I can tell a slight difference, but really, in a blind test.. No..

I have also looked into producing my own frame. Found steel wholesalers, etc.. Air hardened tubing can be had for less than $200usd for a full frame. I could sell my hand made, air hardened frames for $500-$600. (I HAVE to work, so it'd be an art's and crafts kinda thing). But I can TIG weld, braze, paint, have a friend with a frame fixture.. Friends with a commercial powdercoater. I actually can't believe people pay $1000 or more for a steel HT frame made overseas.

I want to know how OnOne does it. Fun for the dollar, big box brands should be suing OnOne.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: "I bet we could get a frame like this down to £600 retail with a budget shock considering a 4130 HT frame can be had for around £250 direct sale."

Mass produced, yeah - but this isn't that.
  • + 0
 @KeithReeder: of course not, thats why i stated it would need to be mass produced and simple without the machined parts.

Not comparing mass produced with the production privee frame, just openly thinking about the potential to get a simple single pivot frame in at a very low price.
  • - 1
 Production Privee possibly do not operate with volumes of thousands.

@oldschool - for the respect of On One owner as a bike designer I will skip pledge of contempt for that particular brand of his. After all... why do we even have rear suspension on bicycles? A few plumbing pipes welded together, without even bothering to bend them... oh sorry I promised.

Yea frame building your hobby, Please try to make living out of that, try to feed family with it, pay taxes, do stuff with high environmental and work place standards (like paying employees for treating work related injuries) and then come back to me with selling steel frames for 300$. Then please try to find time and money for riding. Good luck mate.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: any thinking on the idea that you could get a full sus 4130 frame down to around the 200-220 realistically Waki? - if the numbers were right and design suitably simple. Was it maxway you previously contacted about frames? They seem to make frames for half of the brands out there.
  • - 1
 @Racer951: I asked about a HT. I know the purchase prices for small companies for shocks like RS, Fox or Cane Creek. Good luck getting a good price if you don't order 1000 units at once. Good shock easily adds 300-450$ to the price of the frame if you deal with small orders and you earn pennies on the shock alone (and why wouldn't you charge money for delivering someone a custom tuned shock? CNC costs a lot. When I made my frame, CNC costed almost 50% of tubing and welding everything. And I had a few small elements. two sided CNC - double the price. Assembling the sht? Tolerances? Pushing bearings in? Quality bearings, axles, seals, hardware? R&D costs of a FS frame vs a hardtail?

This is a frame that costed 500$ in Poland, like 8 years ago. A beautyBig Grin
www.bikekatalog.pl/2010/ppg_fotki/foto_big/8_51618_03_01_10.jpg
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I have zero issue with the design other then the 1 1/8th steerer. But I do come from BMX, so what ever. And I did say,"I could sell MY.." not building a huge business. Not having employees. I only need liability insurance to sell frames, for $500usd frames. Trump will remove all EPA standards anyway. And I have a feeling I ride way more than you. I know I have had more skill than you for the past 30 years... Good luck to you... Wink
  • - 1
 @oldschool43: hah, Jared Graves has more skill than you, should you feel lesser to him? Do you want me to reexamine my life choices, because I did other sht in life, given circumstances? You are a self made man - I did it myyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaay
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: Offense to you, but I can't stand you. I mean, you are an actual idiot. Anytime I read the comments, you're an idiot. A complete jerk to people. I've posted whom I've ridden with in the past. Or worked with in the past. Ridden prototype products that opened the door in the mtb world. Look it up, it's a nice list.. I was better than some, some were better than me. But I don't care, because I was riding with them! It only drove me, either way. Never resented. Was always humble, win or lose. Sorry, you wouldn't know what humble is. I said it before, you were on here 7 or 8 years ago, talking crap. I then found out, after a Ryan Leech "How to" post, that you didn't even seem to know how to ride. I post "MY EXPERIENCES" and you have something to say, always.. If YOU don't have the experience, how the hell can YOU judge ME? Answer me that! You can't. BTW, I would never ride a WAKI bike, because I wouldn't trust you or it's build quality. Apples don't fall far from the tree.. You actually need the luck. I have had a wonderful bicycle life and personal life. Have a wonderful family. Have a thousand pictures and wonderful memories. And not one person hates me that I ever dealt with, professionally or personally. But you sir... You're an idiot. Good luck..
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Hmm you have kinda replied about something different like a custom one off frame

ignore the fancy custom cnc bits and I know hangers / dropouts will be stocked in varying designs by a large overseas manufacturer so cheap, leaves a few bits like laser cut and finish machined shock plates etc.

Also a monarch rtc3 is only 200 retail and is good enough for an entry level frame thats for sure, feels fine on a smuggler etc...

Anyway its just a brain fart and well off topic anyway.
  • - 2
 @Racer951: ehhh, I must admit, I have no fkng clue why I came up here defending Production Privee... I am fine with the price. I just mean that pricing is complex as hell, and I do not see low price as any kind of virtue. Explaining where I come from with this is impossible. It would be like 100 pages long and I cannot write/communicate well anyways. Since 7-8 years I listen to some documentary or lecture almost every day while working. Millions if not Billions of bytes of information filtered, interpreted, connected by my human mind. To be perfectly honest with this frame I fkng hate the looks... like with most single pivots, like most steel frames, like finish of most carbon frames, I personally dislike most of them. I am a raw aluminium guy. And I have no fkng problem with the fact that someone likes them. Good on them!
  • + 14
 Shove a standard threaded BSA BB shell and a 44mm head tube on it and maybe then I'll consider it...
  • + 2
 this.
  • + 3
 i can't wait for more companies to follow specialized make BSA the primary standard again
  • + 17
 Bottom bracket, certainly.
I don't understand why anyone would lament a 44mm head tube though. Buying a 56 to 1.125 headset is exactly the same as buying a 44 x 1.125, with the added bonus of being able to use a tapered fork. There is literally no downside to using a 44/56.
  • - 1
 @adrennan: one could say that spaz were following companies like Santa Cruz with going BSA.....
  • + 1
 @HairyLegs: Santa Cruz never left. Specialized did
  • + 1
 @adrennan: that's what I said. ...
  • + 13
 That is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. That frame is so fresh and so clean clean. eagerly awaiting the release! Come on tax refund big money big money
  • - 12
flag passwordpinkbike (Jan 26, 2017 at 18:48) (Below Threshold)
 You are probly going to get the taiwanese frame made by semi-slave men.
  • + 14
 @passwordpinkbike: you probably never been to Taiwan
  • - 5
flag passwordpinkbike (Jan 27, 2017 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 @kanasasa: I guess all these people that upvote your comment have been there. Don't tell me that they work like people in Google, take coffee brakes whenever they want and laugh while talking between them. They probly work like 10-12 hours a day in a big, noise factory, and have to do awkward positions all day that would lead to problems when they are old. They probly look like they are dead inside like most asian semi-slaves. I didn't say they get hit with a whip while they are welding frames, but I don't believe that they work in good conditions.
  • + 3
 @passwordpinkbike: "They probly look like they are dead inside like most asian semi-slaves."

What a f*cking RIDICULOUS comment!
  • + 6
 Looks an awfull lot like the community bikes second iteration
alutech-cycles.com/ICB20
a (very) german forums idea of the ideal trail bike
i should add that with my recent experience with aluminium frames i am more interested in a steel fs-frame than ever...
  • + 8
 Yuo also should see Cotic Rocket
  • + 2
 it does look like a full sus shan... and that that for, its a beauty
  • + 6
 and Portus cycles is also offering a steel version of the ICB 2.0 which looks quite similar to the Shan! Wink
  • + 0
 Other than the fact that the ICB 2.0 is aluminum. What you ment is the Portus Cycles Version of the ICB2.0.
  • + 2
 @krafkloot my thoughts exactly.
  • + 6
 Checked out Portus and found this:
www.portus-cycles.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/portus_pbe2016-2-e1483884093308.jpg
3,2 kg frame weight which is in the ballpark of my recently deceased Banshee but i bet its going to last a lot longer...
  • + 4
 This kind of BS comparison that we are so obsessed with in the bike industry is a waste of time and probably counter-productive.

How many ways do you think a single pivot can be designed to look?

What you are suggesting is creating a 'novel' looking design despite the fact it may not work as well, I can imagine some brands change design becase they dont want their product to look too much like the competition as somebody will moan.

Single pivots are a simple construction - there is only so much that you can or would want to do to make it different - they are not womens shoes.
  • + 7
 Looks like the starling murmur- similar platform and concept - should be amazing. Glad people are warming back to steel - it's a great ride and super durable
  • + 5
 Altho not as clean as a murmur.
  • + 2
 Love the raw frame. Things looks really nice. Kind of reminds me of Ventana
  • + 5
 I don't want a compliant frame on a full suspension bike. That's what suspension is for...On the other hand I love steel and have a steel hardtail that I built. Don't see the point in making a F.S. steel bike though. Cool looking anyway...
  • + 1
 I don't see the point either. I love the shan though. Hard tail models I mean. This is nice but I can't see myself getting one ever. A plus tyre shan would be great in winter.
  • + 6
 What makes you think a steel frame will be any more compliant than an aluminium one?

Steel is actually stiffer than aluminium, only by using smaller diameter and thinner wall tubing do you gain 'compliance' over an aluminium frame.

What if the compliance is engineered to allow a small amount of movement which works to reduce transmission of vibrations etc that are not removed by the suspension system - would that still be bad?
  • + 5
 Steel will last damn near for ever if taken care of and not abused. Aluminum bikes are nothing more then disposal toys. Unfortunately most of us end up on one due to the majority of bikes being constructed from it. I 've had to replace every aluminum within 2yrs time from cracks in the rear or headtube area, but have had a steel dj frame for 7 yrs of hard riding dj,trail and dh no issues.
  • + 3
 @MikeGruhler: The reality of the MTB industry is that after 3 years your bike is considered so 'obselete' you may as well throw it in the bin anyway! ;-)
  • + 4
 I have recently been thinking a lot about traditional tube shapes. I think they deflect baby heads better than modern hydroformed aluminum frames that have square corners and flat surfaces. My last two bikes have picked up major dents on the down tube and chain stays rather quickly. Also, as sexy as the current bikes are, simple straight lines are very pleasing aesthetically. Nice work Production Privee.
  • + 2
 Round tubes definitely resist dents better.
  • + 6
 Fucking DMR should be kicking themselves in the nuts right now. This is what the DMR sled should have been.. using 898 tubing.,
  • + 4
 DMR already did something similar with the Bolt. I think they made the right decision with aluminum.
  • + 3
 @spankthewan: The Bolt is a dirt jumper and it's heavy. There's a lot of scope for 160mm steel frame, this is certainly better looking than the Sled, although that looks suspiciously like a BB92 in the frame pictures...
  • + 2
 @Fix-the-Spade: Bolt Long certainly wasn't a DJ. Excellent bike on trails, mini DH bike really
  • + 2
 They said the Sled would have been too expensive if they made it in steel.
  • + 4
 Ridden single pivot since 97 from super v through yeti asr and orange. Now riding an orbea rallon which despite the concentric pivot on the rear axle is also a single pivot. Wouldn't claim they're any better than linkage bikes but I've always liked the feel and to see a bit of a renaissance in single pivot and steel tubing is great. Think it goes to show there's room for everything if the geometry is well executed and the fit is good. I would have gone with a Cotic or starling if I'd been able to justify the extra £1000
  • + 5
 Since they stuck with an uninterrupted seat tube, they might as well take it one step further and make an Eightpin integrated dropper version!
  • + 6
 Still not as pretty as my Starling Cycles!
  • + 0
 Your's are the centrefold... this the contents page.
  • + 1
 That purple frame with the Prophet back end was the prettiest, plus it made me miss my old Prophet MX.
  • + 1
 You're right sir! And probably faster, and more than anything else, made in Europe and bespoke. You know what, when my Swoop will be ready, I definitely authorize you to send it for a pink bike review...
  • + 2
 Whole lot of stalwart PP Shan riders out there feeling all kinds of mixed up and confused right now. How can they keep being both distainfull about fully bikes, AND also keep going on about how PP is the best boutique steel frame builder out there at the same time? AAAAHHGH!
  • + 3
 Ok, ProductionPrivee, now get rid of pressfit bottom brackets and integrated headsets and I'll buy your frames at once... Still looks great, though.
  • + 1
 Great looking bike.... especially the raw version. However, all you clown pajama wearers will have to swap out for a pair of gym shorts and a t-shirt if you are riding raw.... if you are going to look like you dont give a shit you have to commit.
  • + 3
 Love the shock mount. That's a nice way to handle small tweaks during development.

Are those PF BB bearings in the pivot?
  • + 3
 Bertrand Belin + Feu Chatterton!
Even the choice of music is perfect...
Bravo les gars.
  • + 2
 nicest bike I have seen on here for ages. right up my street. but I'm quite sure I wont be able to afford it. all the same great to some steel.
  • + 2
 This is what a Mountain Bike should be. Steel is difficult to do right-- but they're totally on point. Steel is magic. Just wait and see...
  • + 4
 No space for a water.......ah forget it.
  • + 5
 weight?
  • + 4
 Not light, but who cares?
  • + 6
 @seraph: Just curious
  • + 4
 Downtube says "This will not end well...."
  • + 0
 Looks like something that should be sold as a 'build your own' kit, like an Ikea flat pack. lol I'd build mine and burn it, giving it that 'Rainbow' new exhaust pipe look....
  • + 0
 Finally, someone got it! The first CrMo frame with a shock that doesn't look odd. This is a beautiful bike. Cotic was close but this is much better - in terms of aesthetics that is.
  • + 3
 Ooo, lovely colour! Almost like British Racing Green.
  • + 3
 They base their paint off classic car colours
  • + 2
 loving the look of the frames. simple and clean. awesome to see some handmade stuff again!
  • + 1
 I like the 4130 idea. Now if they could only make the front triangle look more like an SE Racing Quadangle. That would be money...
  • + 3
 And there goes DMR smashed out the water #Shanned
  • + 2
 Please make and XL with a reach of 510 and water bottle mount inside the front triangle!
  • + 3
 I like the likes of it but I personally don't like single pivot designs.
  • + 6
 So I'm not allowed to have a personal preference without getting down voted even after I say "I like the looks of it" I swear pinkbike is full of tools these days lmao!!! Down vote that b*tches!!!
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: No

If you think steel is overpriced and hate single pivot you can go to hell! :p
  • + 3
 @mhoshal: opinions are facts now. didn't you hear?
  • + 4
 I never understood single pivots until I bought an Evil. I don't experience any of the negative stuff I expected to. No weird drivetrain or brake stuff at all. Just good pedalling, good braking, good climbing, and remarkably better at these things than the six FSR bikes that came before. And I'm pretty picky about this stuff - if the Evil sucked I would have flipped it and returned to an Enduro. But I didn't. But a lot of the magic is in the placement and the linkages. So who knows?

The simplicity of the Shan is appealing and kind of crosses over to my yearning for a hardtail.
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: ya its strange..youll have downvotes for stating that you prefer one thing over another, or you experienced xyz.
Downvotes are supposed to correct untruths, not feelings or preferences.
But again, it's pinkbike not some critical thinking forum, so you really cant place much value in it.
  • + 1
 @alexsin: A simple frame makes sense. Leave all the witchcraft and sorcery to your suspension guru.
  • + 5
 @jrocksdh: untruths, you mean "alternative facts"?
  • + 1
 @alexsin: 90% of bikes on the market are single pivots they just add linkages and stuff like that to make them look like they're not single pivots so people are more likely to buy them, for good reason as well because single pivots are the best.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: not to mention that with the option loaded rear shocks we have these days...its actually better to have a single pivot becuase it allows for a more straight forward process in tuning for leverage curves, etc...

the shock can accomplish all the tuning needs these days...no need for fancy linkages anymore.
  • + 1
 @ledude: yep there's absolutely nothing you can't do with correct pivot location and the right tune. We don't have horsepower to brag about so we need a different USP.
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: it's not really 90% but I get your point. Those new Oranges with the swoopy lines look unreal. Certainly good enough for me to consider going back to metal.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: Though I agree single pivots can work very well and in many situations you can gain similar performance to a multi-pivot frame there are advantages of multi-pivot systems.

Multi pivot designs allow the desginer to tune the interaction of braking forces on the suspension system and more easily seperate various parameters such as anti squat, leverage ratio etc.

I am a firm believer though that a nice progressive leverage curve (read predictable) on a single pivot with a well chosen pivot location is a bike that is easier to ride fast than a VPP with a constantly changing leverage curve and poor geometry - The bikes that are real gems have it all.
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: Have you ever thought that maybe the people down voting you are also expressing their personal preference by doing so? Yeah - you're entitled to voice personal preference....but so is everyone else. If you can't take criticism, don't post comments on a public forum.

Right....now I'll ready myself for my own incoming downvotes in 3....2.....1..... Smile
  • + 1
 @arna86: it's super petty to read someone's comment and try to get it deleted because you don't agree with it don't you think? Besides it's just turned this site into redit... toe the company line don't go against the grain or get your comment deleted. If you don't agree with someone tell them why.
  • - 3
 @jaame: I struggle to name more than two major companies that don't use single pivots of the top of my head (specialized and Santa Cruz) I doubt I'd be far off at 90%.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: what about giant? They sell a ton of bikes. Yeti, rocky mountain, norco, yt, canyon...

I don't know. I guess it's just a different interpretation of what we see. I would have said the market was dominated by Horst link bikes if anything. I could be wrong.
  • - 1
 @arna86: if I had of said I think single pivot designs are crap than I could understand getting down voted.(Which I don't think) but when I say "I personally" and than someone down votes me that's like them saying I am wrong about my personal preference and I'm not allowed to have my own thoughts. There are alot of people on here that clearly like single pivot designs and I'm not about to down vote any of them because I have a different view. If that's how you view things you're what's wrong with the world today!!!
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: you should invite them for a fight to solve the issue...
  • - 2
 @jaame: yeah but most Horst link style designs are single pivots like kona's and treks etc.
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: huh? The kona is now a horst link (for the last few years at least?) - the wheel is not mounted to the chainstay / a single lever arm.

Treks are single pivots but the abp helps to isolate braking forces.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: konas are single pivots and they always have been.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: my mistake man, not sure where I got that from.
  • - 1
 @Racer951: it just doesn't look like a single pivot that's my point. Back in the day there was a case for a link driven single pivot but with how good shocks are now it's really not necessary.
  • + 1
 i'll start saveing money for a bike like that, if my Orange is ever to break in a way that cannot be fixed, i'll go for something of this kind for sure.
  • + 3
 Not usually a fan of fixed rears but....... WOW!!!!!
  • + 1
 Engineer taking notes on one hand with a drink in other hand...that's what I'm talkin about.... :p
  • + 1
 Production Privee, please stop machining holes in the headtube for your logo. My headset can't take any more.
  • + 1
 Man, that thing is very sexy indeed...but I wonder how heavy is it. Any clue?
  • + 1
 I am waiting for you!!! Such RAWesome frame. Steel is real!!! Up the irons.
  • + 2
 Bike companies should always offer Raw as a colour option
  • + 1
 Can't believe there might be this much love for what appears to be a 27.5+/29er... Wink
  • + 2
 Price £1800 for the frame
  • + 2
 i'm not seeing canadian availability but that seems decent compared to other manufacturers.
  • + 2
 @makripper: 125 euro to have one of their frame shipped to canada, just have to message them. I got pretty close to pull the trigger on a OKA frame, still thinking about it
  • + 1
 @cndhbrider: thats decent! i'll ring them up once I move. thanks man!
  • + 2
 @cndhbrider : Get the oka, its f*cking brilliant craic. Consider upsizing though I regret not going for an XL at 6"0
  • + 1
 @cndhbrider: If you're still interested, I'm selling an Oka frame!
  • - 2
 @makripper: its not lol
  • + 2
 Needs to be offered cleared coated- no paint.
  • + 2
 Stanton Bikes full suspension bike will be good to see soon as well.
  • + 2
 Oooh that does sound tasty. Mr Stanton does know how to make a sexy bike.
  • + 1
 Hmmm yes. Or a Ragley full sus....that would be super stunning I bet.
  • + 1
 @Scottybike36: Yeah I think Ragley are part of crc and so are Nukeproof. Although the Nukeproof bikes are more hardcore downhill and enduro bikes..and not sure if theyre made by the same people or factory. Would be interesting to see a Ragley fs trail bike. Infact someone made a Ragley fs bike out of his broken hardtail frame and the rear of a fs frame.
  • + 1
 is there a stanton FS coming?
  • + 1
 @graeme187: yes. The secret was revealed yesterday. I guess some other people knew of it but it was kept quiet. Apparently the boss has been riding one for the last year now and you should see something in the next 3 months.

I have pictures of it but I'm not allowed to show them unfortunately. It's pretty amazing, I can say that.
  • + 1
 @silverfish1974: I feel well and truly teased...
  • + 2
 @silverfish1974: maybe 2017 will be the year of the steel full susser.
  • + 3
 @fartymarty: maybe. But there will always be hardtails. Apparently this is how the story goes. The secret about the Stanton Bikes full suspension bike only came out because Mr Stanton keeps all his secrets in his beard. His beard was getting quite long recently and started to weigh him down. So he decided it was time to trim his beard. But, ohhh noo, when he trimmed his beard one of his secrets fell out. The secret of the Stanton full suspension bike was revealed to all. lol
  • + 2
 @silverfish1974: so the moral of the story is don't grow a beard and keep your secrets locked firmly in your noggin.
  • + 1
 I'm curious about how the steel frame handle the shittiest weather. The paint job better be pretty good.
  • + 2
 i wouldn't worry mate. the uk is full of steel hardtails and has been for years. myself included. if they can last over here in our year round mud and grit then this will be fine.
  • + 1
 Looks pretty sick fellas I'd love see a ti version may be in the pipeline!!!.
  • + 1
 if its only 4130 cromo, the pricetag is pretty hefty - should go 853
  • + 1
 Great job guys! Video is password protected though....
  • + 4
 Hi Franck! Thanks for the compliment. About the video we were waiting for 5PM andorra time to release it, 7 minutes and we're good to go!
  • + 0
 @ProductionPrivee: what's the tire size compatibility for this frame?
  • + 1
 @ledude: 27" and 27.5+ from what i've read elsewhere
  • - 2
 @hairy-g: I doubt it fits 27" wheels lol
  • + 2
 @seraph: I quote - 'David, Damian and the rest of the Production Privee crew have gone with a frame that is compatible with 27″ and 27.5+ wheel sizes' from here - www.ddcycles.co.uk/the-all-new-production-privee-shan-no5

I'm quoting info so not me at fault
  • + 1
 @hairy-g: Thanks for the info nonetheless.
  • + 1
 @hairy-g: I'm sure they meant 27.5 and 27.5+ wheels. 27" wheels are something entirely different.
  • + 1
 @seraph: Quite obviously but I quoted because it's what they said rather than me. Hence the quotation marks
  • + 0
 I'm already sold on replacing my new but sadly outdated Nomad with this. Need pricing info, now! Awesome!!!
  • + 1
 Awesome bike. Love this Steel Return wave.
  • + 0
 Sorry , but i never trust anyone who drinks their espresso in a glass...true story, was on Seinfeld once.
  • + 1
 It's Guiness. Sips it throughout the day. Pretends it's cold drip.
  • + 1
 check Dark Owl - Steel Downhill frames
  • + 1
 give me a steel prophet, now that would be sweet
  • + 1
 Why did they post this after I just another bike!?!
  • + 1
 Those pedals at the end look quite interesting...
  • + 1
 Any info of what tubing they are using? Is it "plain" 4130?
  • + 1
 Damn! I could get down with a bike like that.
  • + 1
 They should just clear coat that raw welded frame. It looks bad ass!
  • + 1
 Love it. Would look good next to my Shan and Oka! :-)
  • + 1
 Cracking looking frame, Loved the video!
  • + 1
 Please Please Please tell me it is available in RAW???
  • + 2
 This looks sweet!
  • + 2
 Steel is real!
  • + 1
 What a gorgeous bike!
  • + 0
 Shock mount bolted on? F*** THAT
  • + 1
 very nice
  • - 1
 Nice... If you like this check my Titanium Kingdom Hex (for sale here!?)! I wonder if it rides as well though!?
  • + 1
 About fecking time.REAM!
  • + 1
 Mmmmmm steel!
  • + 1
 Daaaaamn! Very nice!
  • + 1
 Lovely Smile
  • + 1
 love the simplistic look
  • + 1
 Mmmmmmm
  • + 1
 long live metal bikes.
  • + 0
 Steel is real
  • + 4
 Did you just make that up?
  • + 0
 Love my carbon ibis
  • + 0
 Nah.
  • - 3
 Mark me negative all you want guys, but steel frames for DH or AM is stupid!
  • + 1
 Why?
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