Raaw Releases UDH Retrofit Kit for All Jibbs & Madonnas

Oct 20, 2023 at 2:08
by RAAW Mountain Bikes  
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PRESS RELEASE: RAAW Mountain Bikes

Want to run SRAM’s UDH or a Transmission drivetrain on your RAAW? Well, we’re pleased to announce that we’re now offering a UDH retrofit kit to give your existing Jibb, Madonna V2, or Madonna V2.2 compatibility.

The kit consists of a fresh drive-side seatstay with a newly designed dropout, a UDH, DT Swiss X12 axle, and dropout insert. Should you require, just the new seatstay, together with dropout insert, is also available.

Chainstay length with the kit is 445mm, and it’s a piece of cake to fit to your frame, meaning SRAM fans can have their RAAWs up and running in no time.

UDH retrofit kits are available in raw or black and start at 169,95 EUR, 155 USD, 210 CAD, 130 GBP or 240 AUD. They’re available to order right away, with delivery expected in March 2024.




For all things RAAW, head to raawmtb.com.

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84 Comments
  • 149 0
 Kudos to Raaw. This is awesome on all fronts
  • 2 0
 Yes, despite the headline being wrong ... as the update unfortunately won't fit the V1. Other than that it ages really well.
  • 8 0
 Yes please other major brands take note and follow suit!
  • 3 0
 And even better in the rear
  • 1 0
 @bunjiman82: hopefully deviate is next in line! woohoo!
  • 1 0
 @collintimmermans: I think they sell the udh rear triangle already.
  • 1 0
 @Roost66: wait what????? where??? link it to me please, thanks!!
i was watching their instagram and noticed the rear triangle, i sent an email and they said something is coming soon but thats all.. hmm!
  • 2 0
 @Roost66: they just announced it today!!!
  • 1 0
 @collintimmermans: Yessir, link is broken in pb posting tho.
  • 88 0
 now this is customer support
  • 8 0
 This makes me want an aluminum bike more
  • 5 2
 @JSTootell: you know this isn’t limited to aluminum bikes, right?
  • 7 3
 @nickfranko: but aren’t most carbon rear triangles one pieces making this more costly and difficult?
  • 7 0
 @Struggleteam: depends entirely on the suspension design. Every horst link bike has separate seat and chain stays, for example.
  • 2 0
 @Struggleteam: still cheaper than a new frame.

And with most companies,it's the logistics of new models Vs old ones. If the new model uses a new chainstay, they're not going to make a new chainstay mold for the old frame which will also reduce the number of people buying the new one. Raaw has gone for a long service life model, meaning treating customers well and bringing stuff like this to market means they'll keep them as customers.
  • 1 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: Oh yeah i totally understand that. Waaay cheaper. Just most carbon rear triangles i have come across are solid one piece units and would be more expensive to make than just one simple bar. Still cheaper than a new frame whether its a complete rear triangle or just one piece. I really like this approach by Raaw. No planned obsolescence here! Eyeing a jibb and yalla as my next frames.
  • 1 0
 @nickfranko: Inside joke. We were debating the merits of aluminum vs carbon in another thread. I prefer carbon bikes.
  • 35 1
 cheaper than a new frame. good move
  • 4 0
 The ironic part is that the rear triangle is usually made of multiple, cheaper pieces. Yet, they’re somehow impossible to replace.
  • 3 0
 @nickfranko: I broke the chainstay on my evo last year and they got me a new one fairly quick. Only experience I’ve had with replacing a frame member. (Chainstay on my 2008 jamis bam broke but they warrantied the entire frame)
  • 11 3
 Not buying Sram is even cheaper though Razz
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: I would buy that even when running standard rear mech just to save the head ache of sourcing special dropout. Walk into any bike store anywhere you go riding, they will have UDH in stock *hopefully*. Smile
  • 2 0
 @i-am-lp: I would rather buy 2 hangers up front (15 EUR each) and have the ability to change chainstay length, not to mention replacing one seatstay. Those are 1-st world poblems - buy a 160eur part to hang a 500eur derailleur ...
  • 3 0
 @lkubica: yup, pretty much first job when buying a new bike is getting a spare hanger or two, then seeing if there's a way to mount the hanger on the bike so it's there if I need it. Ugly zip tie under the seat on my Izzo sadly
  • 1 2
 @mountainsofsussex: and funny thing, RAAW has steel hangers for 50EUR, just in case you would rather destroy your mech (just like in T-type SRAM ...)
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: they have those because the original hanger design is flawed. Many owners have had issues bending both the 6000 and 7000 series hangers very easily. For me, I am running original axs with the steel hanger for now, so ideally the derailleur moves out of the way of impacts. No issues running it this summer.

The move to udh is welcome, for both the V3 and this retrofit.
  • 18 0
 Take note @RevelBikes and others.
  • 7 0
 It’s not so simple. In the case Reve, you have to replace the whole rear triangle.
  • 7 1
 Commencal could do this fairly easily for the metas.
  • 8 0
 And @Banshee-Team , c'mon, its got modular dropouts already.
  • 2 0
 @Struggleteam: and i'm praying to god they do!!
  • 1 0
 @YTIndustries could take note on this as well. Seat stay upgrade for the Izzo? They are already UDH compatible on the new frames but refuse to sell any parts.
  • 14 0
 This is one of the reason's the that Madonna is one of my dream bikes. There are many "rider driven" companies when it comes to marketing material, but few seem to back it up like RAAW.
  • 1 0
 Get one, you won't regret it. I have a v2.2 and it's a great bike
  • 3 0
 everyone is "money driven", don't fool yourself Big Grin
  • 7 0
 This is possibly the coolest bike part release I've seen. A huge upgrade and option for RAAW riders without buying a new bike. I hope this turns out to be a financially wise decision for the brand so that micro mods are a valid benefit to the business and customers. Keep those bikes running longer!!
  • 6 2
 I ordered a 60 rocker link to replace the 65 rocker for my Raaw Madonna in August off their website. Money was received. It was a pretty straightforward transaction. I still have not received the part. Hey Felix, is Santa going put it under my tree? Right now I’m ok with just getting my $399 usd back.
  • 1 0
 I find it a bit unfortunate that the upgrade is available only in the 445mm chain stay length of the size L. So you cannot keep the 440mm of the S and M or the 450mm of the XL if you want to upgrade to UDH. Will be interesting to see if RAAW also will go to a uniform chain stay length with the Madonna V3, or if there still will be size-specific chain stay lengths.
  • 3 0
 Downside is it looks like you lose the chainstay adjustability if going to a UDH setup. Oh well - still really nice to have the option to upgrade. Kudos!
  • 1 0
 Yeah, seems like they chose the most popular chainstay length for this, the middle setting, but if I wanted to get it I would have to settle for a longer chainstay than what I normally run in my size medium. Still considering it, not for transmission but for a derailleur hanger that won’t bend as easily as the stock Raaw one.
  • 2 0
 @pisgahgnar:

They have a stiffer derailleur hangar option aside from the updated udh one
  • 1 0
 @Solorider13: I’m using the steel one now, it’s been good. The other options were failing though.
  • 1 0
 @pisgahgnar: I tried all 3 options of the Raaw derailleur hanger with a GX AXS setup. I havent broken one, but they where all bent after the second ride. Maybe I ride to hard but that isn't how it is supposed to be like.
  • 1 0
 @jonas-stadler: North Shore Billet makes a hanger for the Madonna that has (in my experience) been very good. Plus it looks really nice and I'm superficial.

I found the standard RAAW 6000-series hanger would bend just from chain forces and the 7000-series hanger they make would just snap instead of bending.
  • 1 0
 @shlotch: the NSB hanger is also 6000 series and bent for me. But, I’m using heavy old axs.
  • 2 0
 I have not seen a single bike with udh and chainstay adjustment on the market. The requirements for the rear derailleur to rotate backwards makes it impossible to use the classic flip chip adjustment design. It's sad, but I think SRAM has killed adjustable chainstays
  • 3 0
 @shr3d: That makes sense, and is unfortunate. No more flip-chips at the rear axle for easy, distinct chainstay adjustments.

This got me looking at Rocky's bikes with their endless adjustability and, low and behold, I don't see a single AXS bike in their catalogue. Looks like some other guys get a bit of chainstay differences via their linkage adjustments, but then it's really just a product of the overall raising/lowering of the bike than it is an actual, dedicated adjustment.

Kind of a bummer. Personally, I'd prefer to retain adjustability and deal with traditional hangers (and never run AXS), but I imagine that would put me in the minority.
  • 2 0
 @shr3d: Though now that I write that, maybe bolt-on ends like on the Norco Range would still offer chainstay adjustability with a UDH. I guess we'll see!
  • 1 0
 @shlotch: thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize the range had that until now. Yes, bolt on dropouts are sick, bring them back
  • 1 0
 @shr3d: Bird Aeris9 has adjustable CS and UDH www.bird.bike/aeris-9
  • 1 0
 I think that's great, too. Have nen Jibb and have just AXS screwed to it so currently not really a need for it but to know that it works, is great. That's what I call sustainable! And I also do not think that they will sell less new frames because da gehts in the end not only about UDH.
  • 2 0
 This is why I went with a Madonna in the first place. Never been happier with a bike or a company!
  • 3 0
 Bike companies don’t have to do this, but you did. Bravo.
  • 1 0
 great thing, but sadly only 445. would have changed for the udh, since the original hanger design is rubbish, but 445 is not for me
  • 1 2
 Problem: Not wanting to jump on the UDH train in the first place and missing a great trend.
1. Realising the trend was part of a bigger picture
2. Upselling new seatstay
3. come away as superb customer service.

Accept. Adapt. Overcome

This is great marketing, and most users don't even notice Big Grin
(note pinkers, most things you describe as Marketing is Product Managment)
  • 1 0
 Love my Jibb, not having a UDH was the only thing about it that wasn't future proof. Glad to ride a bike from a company that cares about their bikes being around for a while!
  • 3 0
 Bravo. Nice price too.
  • 2 0
 Come on @Banshee-Team, do something Wink
  • 1 0
 Next thing might be a pinion or ebike driven front triangle to upgrade your rear triangle.
  • 1 0
 Awesome for them to do this! Wish spesh would take note and do the same for the Enduro.
  • 2 0
 Hoping @Banshee-Team is next....
  • 1 0
 Does this mean all new frames will come with it?
  • 6 0
 They’re about to release the Madonna V3 so my guess is yes.
  • 2 0
 DAMN….. SUPER COOL
  • 1 0
 even on madonna v2... congratulations boys.
  • 1 0
 Seatstay seems to be the same on all 3 bikes...
  • 1 0
 This is awesome! Great job.
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