Video: Trail Trance

Oct 15, 2013 at 15:24
by ShapeRideShoot  
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175 Comments

  • + 129
 I know it looks fun, but as someone who has spent a lot of time building trails, I don't think riding like that should be encouraged. You joke about destroying trails, but if you work hard at something and someone destroys it, they're not a badass rider, they're just being a dick. oh, and manners is spelled wrong.
  • + 38
 and don't get me wrong, I like to charge as much as the next guy, and a lot of this looked great, but the corner at 1:53, and the part at about 1:40, I just wanted to smack every single one of them
  • + 125
 Yup haven't seen so much skidding since I checked my pants after watching Rampage.
  • + 17
 Funny, EXACTLY what I was thinking as I scrolled down to read these comments. All the absurd skidding seemed out of place in such nice scenic riding locations.
  • - 18
flag ridelife6 (Oct 15, 2013 at 18:41) (Below Threshold)
 honestly, why would you build a trail thats to delicate to skid on? theres nothing wrong with shredding hard if your are also willing to dig
  • + 40
 all those bikes have front brakes, they ride like a bunch of beginner girls. So that's where all the braking bumps come from, Fuck-tards trying to look cool.
  • + 7
 I thought the video was slow at first, then got pretty good. Looks like these guys are having fun, is that not what were supposed to do? Oh and by the way this crew builds more trails than you've ridden so they can surely toss em up a bit if they want...Great video!
  • + 39
 you should complain about the music, not the way they ride.
  • + 6
 Totally agree. While watching I was thinking, "those guys are not trail builders".
  • - 13
flag glenno (Oct 15, 2013 at 19:05) (Below Threshold)
 Just a bit of loam and cutty's what's wrong with that ? Rain does more damage
  • + 7
 dicks you are being too nice.
  • + 31
 HOW COME NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT TRAIL DESTRUCTION WHEN ITS AGGY RIDING? in his first video, "Graham Agassiz Profile" someone is talking about him in an interview, "it's like the kid literally doesn't know how to ride in a straight line, we call it, aggy's destructive back wheel". sure its tons of fun to watch, and he has amazing riding skills, but don't call these shredders out in this video because they are destroying trails. watch Graham Agassiz's "Treefur" and tell me that he is not hurting the trail in the name of style.
  • + 3
 It's only one clip in Treefur from what I recall. Either way, you kinda have a point, but this seemed excessive, very excessive. I don't know why people do this, its way more fun to ride without losing traction on purpose in my humble opinion
  • + 18
 it was excessive, but you have to love a good bit of corner cutting. that one point in this video when they were cutting each other off and drifting corners to pass each other, was a blast to watch.
  • + 1
 I'm hoping that if someone does this much damage to a trail, they would be more than willing to help rebuild.
  • + 10
 Hermit185- aggy rides completely different, yes he might brake a bit but he rides so incredibly fast that he drifts without brakes more than posers who brake in every freakin turn trying to look like pros.
  • + 17
 @hermit: Aggy's destruction comes from speed and the way he handles his bike like few others can. Anyone can grab a fistful of rear break and skid like these kids.
  • + 1
 Being a skIDIOT never looked so fun.
  • - 1
 Haven't seen that much reckless skidding since that last Ritchey Schley video... Or watching my 9 yr old.
  • + 2
 Well done Hermit!
  • + 2
 I'm a trail builder and I skid like that 8O sometimes... only when its so steep I wouldn't be able to make the next turn without setting myself up by doing that. I do that in combo with those front brake pivot turns, its all situational and based on flow though. On a side note, I think its coolest when you skid through a berm without even hitting the brakes.
  • + 15
 Pfffft to all ya neg propters, I build trails and I ride trails , riding like this is the norm in NZ but yet we have tons of sik trails , skids or no skids drifts or no drifts, corners don't disappear from this type of riding , it's called getting loose ! Just sweeping the trails , it's not like taking a shovel to the track
  • + 13
 Come on give them a break!! Atleast they know how to shred unlike most you other grannys.
  • + 8
 Hermit, AGGY can do whatever he wants!!!! Period!
  • + 0
 Haha 2:44
  • + 2
 I think that Aggy has build enough trails by himself that he is allowed to destroy ... and you are right, this looked a bit unnecessary.
  • + 3
 Its funny because I've also developed this same opinion since getting to NZ 3 months ago. Something about NZ and getting loose goes well together...
  • + 1
 Yes!!!
  • + 21
 What the hell is going on there woaaaw, you definitely take everything seriously, it should be not funny to ride with you, the trail is next to Julien's house at the top of the mountains, there is nobody who get there except us, that's the ass hole of the world, that's pure loam, the trail stay the same every day despite our passage pfuuuuu i don't know what it is this kind of hate, go on a road bike man...
  • + 4
 Chill out guys.
I build.... lots, I choose to build because I enjoy it.
Come skid on my trails if you like, just dont straight line them Wink
Trails evolve, when straight lines or silly insides appear, either leave them and accept it or block them, making the outside line more attractive/fun to ride.
Fun video btw.
  • + 0
 @BenSawyer i wait you man, that's our trail.....
  • + 3
 Come on, man! That's simply not true! You are not only on "your" area... you are drifting on hiking trails... I can see the yellow sign :-(
  • + 1
 Okay come on you, riding the trail to see how it's clean, you know what it means loam? If it don't us who sweep the ground with our bikes it will be the rain, so stop crying and if you're not happy you can sign in "les Verts" and play keyboard
  • + 1
 funny guys... it's a pretty polemic discussion... I know ;-)
  • + 8
 And then we are surprised if in some areas MTBs are completely banned from mountain trails, and for that we have to thank a bunch of overexcited guys with a really easy trigger on the rear brake. Next time go pay a bike park to destroy some trails!
  • + 3
 @lukerhrf, Good point.
Sadly there are many sweet trails that are never made in the U.S. because landowners are fearful of ground erosion. While this style of riding can only promote trail erosion, it does look freak'n killer for a video of other people having fun on their bikes. Yes, I am envious of these blokes.
  • + 3
 @glenno @Demo4ever it is great to get loose and shred. But when some areas in the country where you live are being banned because of reckless bike driving you cannot afford to give this impresions to the anti-mtb groups.
Your reality in NZ is not ours in CH, where more and more places are becoming banned for bikers. We know what we are talking about.
  • + 4
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/10165182 -- all of those comment are kudos, but I wonder what they'd be if its description was like "was recently invaded by rowdy unsophisticated (not famous) mountain biker..blah blah..destroyed the loamy trails and shocked the local..blah blah..lack of manners and dangerously out of control.."
  • + 1
 I would kill to have dirt like that to ride. I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting it all with lame skids.
  • - 11
flag RedeyeSamurai (Oct 16, 2013 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 Dear guys who ride like this, either go faster to justify it or lay down so I can break your teeth out with a good stomp.
  • + 5
 Very aggressive young gentleman!
  • + 2
 @RedeyeSamurai ~ I ride like this & if its your own country then no problem, not your country then respect it: Guess you wrote this before smoking a fatty as you seem angry haha
  • + 3
 SORRY RIDING POLICE
  • + 1
 In other word, kids do not do this at your local trails! Unless you help maintain them Wink
  • + 2
 Yeh, after the fatty I calmed down. Sorry was being sarcastic.
  • + 1
 Aggy is destructing back weels more than trails, and aggy uses ftont brake. These riders clearly have it for fashion. Sorry if somebody is getting hurt on any way, but that's just visionable from the vid. They are trying to get loose on wrong way. I understand when the tire loses grip, but this is riding for dummies in my opinion.
  • + 0
 My suggestion would be to not work on trails unless you are prepared to deal with people riding them the way they want to ride them.
  • + 1
 Lol quality video, even the music was good, if your European and cool that is Wink
  • + 3
 I don't mind if people skid as long as they work on the trails and fix what damage is done.
  • + 1
 Agreed, that section was well filmed and a blast to watch.
  • + 51
 trail riding or trail widening?
  • - 1
 Best comment of the day
  • - 2
 trail plowing for farmville.
  • + 16
 wow, ironic. Most of the posts here are complaining about shredding and yet a lot of the videos on Pinkbike are of riders shredding the shit out of the trails. ShapeRideShoot - These guys respect MTB lifestyle more then most of you guys realize. They do build trails, they ride to have fun and they shoot video for our entertainment, for free I might add. (yes, they are sponsered)

Cut them some slack.

Awesome video and not so awesome choice in music but all good.
  • + 2
 The point is that here in Europe, particularly in the Alps, we're experiencing trail closures because irresponsible riders are poaching hiking trails and making a mess of them. CH has is the worst of any of the Alps countries as far as I know, with some cantons banning MTB in the mountains completely.
The riding was cool, but these guys (especially because they're sponsored, and therefore influential) should know better. I can't imagine Scott would be particularly happy to have their representatives damaging the potential for their target market to use the products they sell.
  • + 19
 A little trigger happy on that rear brake???
  • + 15
 has it crossed anyones mind watching that in many shots they are actually doing cutties/drifting/sliding in pure loam, with their wheel not locked?
  • + 1
 @schralper11: first thing that came to my mind. But i have to admit it looked like fun in the rocksections
  • - 2
 Reminded me of every cover of Mountain Bike Action from 1989 to 2005.
  • + 3
 thanks xjrides
  • + 8
 About everyone above here forgets you guys shape and build sick trails, and we are not even talking about what happens at Chatel bikepark. I loved the vid, keep it up man!
  • + 5
 @xjrides has it right. a couple obvious skids but i'd say the majority of the stuff you kids are whining about didn't involve a locked wheel at all. i'm a builder. this video didn't offend me.
  • + 3
 its just because the people commenting saw the top comment with 100+ props was hating on them getting loose and so they jump on the bandwagon, The more skids the better!
  • - 2
 So cutting switchbacks as well as drifting in loam is acceptable? Well SWEET! I'm gonna go f*ck up a ton of trails now!
  • + 3
 Loam was made for drifting. Next time I go biking I will not have any fun. At all. Ever.
  • + 13
 Yet another amazing video by shaperideshoot. The amount of whining on this website is getting out of hand! That video was AWESOME end of f*cking story! Man I'm never gonna invite any of you to ride my private trails! It's skidding/sliding all the way down super steep loam! And just for the record I'm a trail builder and so is one of the people in that vid. He is responsible for the awesome network of trails is Morzine which you all love to ride!
  • + 3
 Time and place man! Private trails are great, do what you want. But on public land, where MTB already is experiencing serious access issues, this is just stupid.
  • + 0
 Loads of access issues, I mean these guys were clearly up against the odds to ride those trails. The trail police were out in force, bro.
  • + 3
 the thing about loam is you can barely ride it without ripping it up in the first place. get your panties out of a bunch kids!
  • - 1
 joeyjd, that's not really the point mate. Loam, hardpack, dust, irrelevant, the point is that this area has serious access issues at the moment, so riding hiking trails isn't the best plan if you care about trail access/mtb scene in general.
  • + 17
 Lack of manors? Well sorry if I can't afford a house like yours...
  • + 12
 As a previous poster put it, the worst part of the video was the music.

Those guys can ride. Period. Are they a little flashy with the rear brake? Sure. Do they get loose and cause some carnage? Yes. But it looks like they can repair what they destroy. I'm not sure Scott would put their name on a video that would shine a bad light on the sport.

And if you think this video is bad....look at what they did at rampage to get it ready! The builders were taking mountain sides apart.

Cool video.
  • + 11
 nice switchback destruction
  • + 7
 There seems to be a big clash of cultures between North America and a lot of the rest of the world when it comes to trail etiquette. To me they just looked like they were shredding. For me maintaining a perfectly manicured trail isnt what riding should be centered aorund. Trails evolve through use in all conditions.
  • + 6
 It is amazing you guys don't realize that with videos like this we give fuel to those swiss communities that want to ban mountainbiking in their areas. We should show them how important are the mountains for us, and the sport we love, and the respect that we have for those building/mantaining the trails that we use. Shame on you.
  • - 5
flag Enduro27 (Oct 16, 2013 at 18:08) (Below Threshold)
 I skid every trail I ride, who cares if a trail gets shut down, just ride it anyways. The majority of trails I ride are illegal and I prefer them to be as there are less mtbers on them! More room for skidding!
  • + 4
 Enduro27, hopefully you don't live in New Mexico, because we generally don't like A holes messing up our trails.
  • + 9
 Beautiful Backdrop.... Wack Music...trail abuse
  • + 4
 I have never read so many ridiculous comments in my life, It s a video of people riding bikes, having fun. Not a single ounce of permanent damage has been caused to trails, habitat, local community's etc etc etc. Get over it, and get out their and ride what nature has provided you keyboard bashers.
  • + 8
 Ummm that doesn't look like they destroyed trails Lol.
  • + 4
 Seems to be a lot of simple mountain folk commenting on this.
"invaded by rowdy unsophisticated mountain bikers. They destroyed the loamy trails and shocked the local, simple mountain folk with their lack of manors and dangerously out of control mountain biking."
I thought it was a fun little edit.
Also, maybe they meant manors. As in, they live in apartments, condos or, even more likely, for such a "rowdy unsophisticated" bunch, trailers.
  • + 2
 I thought that, too, but figured being french they weren't being witty, they probably just didn't know the correct way to spell it. but it is funnier if you look at it like that
  • + 1
 trailer park pimping Wink
  • + 5
 The only thing I see is pure terrain, beautiful landscapes, great riding and awesome filming. Nothing further. Enjoy the pictures.
  • - 2
 I see these beautiful landscapes being raped so hard that the next portion of rain can cause irretrievable damage to the terrain. You should never ride a trail like that.
  • + 7
 If you knew how steep are those trails, I bet you would drift it as much as they did in the video. You guy are from those you think a bit too much. Loggers are destroying forests, not bikers.Grow up a little bit. Cheers.
  • + 5
 Great to see a nice swiss video although every one is getting weird on that one. Good job guys !
  • + 2
 Well I thought that was pretty damn sweet. At least people who can ride fast enough to drift those corners are better than the ones who lock both their brakes on in a straight line and just make a rut... And it's not like there was much trail even built! - it was all open with no berms.
  • + 4
 Holy crap I have never seen so much skidding in one video. Their tires (and the trail) must have been gone by the end of filming...
  • + 0
 That was the worst video. There is a difference between skidding because you are riding crazy steep lines or you are speed checking so you don't go into a tree and die, but in this video, those guys are just locking it up for no reason. Then the music.... what the hell man? Could it get any douchier?
  • + 5
 The only people that destroy trails around here at the governemnt
  • + 1
 I live in the mountains, we have worked hard to establish trails with constant overseeing from national park representatives and enviromentalists. This relationship ? is a very tentative one and im afraid with this type of riding would end very quickly. I can appreciate that its effect mostly is for the video, and it was as described, but for the uninitiated it will paint a picture generalising all mtb'ers. I love video, its promotion of our sport accounts for a wider audience now enjoying what we always have, and nothing better than some top rider really mashing a trail, but harmony is the key, at one with the mountain... motorcrossers are banned in our mountains within the national park because of the damage they cause, if it was percieved that mtb's did the same ??
  • + 6
 that crash LOL
  • + 5
 that trail got used and abused
  • + 1
 Oh my God! All of this arguing about skidding has made everyone blind. Whilst you've all been focusing on it, you've missing something even worse about this video. Something you won't be able to stand even more, and something that might even put the mountain bike community in danger. And not even trail builders, or Swiss riders - but all of us. Someone in this video is riding a 650b frame with 26 inch wheels. How can we ignore that?
  • + 1
 that music is balls hahah as a builder it kinda sucks to watch trails get ripped up so easily but you kinda have to take it with a grain of salt. unless you're building a trail on your own property for your own personal use it's gonna be subject to other people's riding styles. looks like these guys are having a good time, and that's what it's really about anyways.
  • + 2
 Yeah buddy all about having a laugh. The guys riding in the video are all trail builders too. I don't see the problem.
  • + 1
 Aside from the skidding debate, I think it's always interesting how there is a rider who (at least looks like) has no provisions for spare tubes, tools, water, etc. Does this rider rely on his friends with backpacks to carry his stuff? or does he think he will never have any mechanical issue or want something to drink or eat during the ride? If he does have all that somewhere, then kudos to him for hiding it well. Everyone wants to ride with as minimal stuff as possible, but if you do and have a problem and didn't prepare for it, then sorry you are SOL :p
  • + 0
 It's okay bro, that guy had his personal aid to carry his bag around.
  • + 1
 I ride without backpack 99% of the time and no problems. For long rides i.e. all day I'll take my wallet and maybe some cookies all in my short pockets. As for water around were I live there is always a stream to drink from. I also set up my bike to be bulletproof so though a tad heavier it won't suffer mechanical. The only tool I carry is a small multitool. This set up has worked for me for +10years.
  • + 1
 cool. i would say you are definitely the minority, and kudos to you for being that self sufficient and prepared. As for bike reliability, i'm sure many of us want/desire/try to make our bikes as reliable as possible. I also carry a multi-tool (as well as extra stans and a tube for punctures) so agree with you there. I'm not saying carry a bike shop, but bringing the "basics" is what I meant by my post.
  • + 1
 I totally agree. If you regularly puncture or have mechanical then yeah it's smart to carry backup material. I don't because I puncture perhaps once a year and, aside from this year having broken shifting cables due to my new clutch deraileur, rarely suffer mechanicals. I do however always ride DH tires though have recently shifted to the new supergravity from Schwalbe to save weight.
  • + 0
 It would be interesting to see what the filmers said to the reactions to the video.

They're probably stoked because their video got so many hits on Pinkbike.

Some have said that the filmers build trail and work on trail in their local trails (Chatel it looks like). If they're builders then I would suspect they would care about what the locals think and what their impact is on the Swiss trails. Total speculation whether or not their desire to get lots of Pinkbike video hits and possible VOD outweighs their sympathy to fellow trail builders or fellow advocats in Switzerland. I notice ReyGaetan posts here and possibly al-pine is part of this crew. If so it would be interesting to hear why you thought it would be good to film this video so provocatively and to pose the words of the video also provocatively (I know its satire but thinking about how the crazy anti-biker wanderweg crowd in Switzerland will use this video to try to block bikes from trails.)

Finally not trying to single out a particular nationality but I'm always bewildered by how so many of the Brit crowd are so cavalier with trails getting ridden so sloppy when it seems to me that the British trails always look so trashed. Not trying to be an ass; truly a serious question on my part as I see that so often even here in BC. It's the British visitors who truly seem to not really give a toss about trail conditions and I've never really understood why
  • + 3
 Interesting points. No aggression. Respect.

I am still bewildered why people think why this video was filmed provocatively? The guys in the video seem to just be having fun on their bikes. No damage done there. And why people think the trail was destroyed? Go there today and it will look like nothing has happened.

Yes - the description is different. Try this, and see how it makes you feel:

"Shaperideshoot headed to the magnificent valley near Evolene in the Swiss Valais to sample some of the untouched loam and Moab-style rock sections that can be found perched just under a Glacier. Everyone had an amazing weekend and the trail conditions were all-time. This is enduro riding at it's roots - nature, bikes and good times."

It's all about perception. And group mentality. It's easier to agree and jump on a band-wagon of collective hate and identity (ie, the in-group), some times for even unknown reasons, to persecute the out-group.

Additionally, the anti-biker crowd is a vocal minority. Every hiker I've ever encountered in Switzerland has been the politest, most cheerful and enthusiastic about biking person one could ever hope to meet. It's a totally different story in France and the UK - hikers are generally very aggressive and see no reason why all cyclists, whether that be children, professionals, amateurs, shouldn't burn in hell. Couldn't comment about elsewhere though, so I wont.

Did no one else spot the brazen abuse of trail and local flora in this video? www.pinkbike.com/news/Getting-High-in-the-Himalayas-An-epic-road-trip-with-Andi-Wittmann-and-Guido-Tschugg-2013.html Sure as hell looks to me like they are just riding through peoples fields and skidding their way down the trail. No one cares, why?
  • + 0
 Switzerland has a history of being one of the best environmentally friendly countries in the world. There a "leave no trace" type of community that have been living that way forever. Any land surrounding a glacier is considered very precious and flora takes a very long time to regrow in that type of cold alpine climate. Those types of areas are considered "nature reserves" and bring in people including "families" as tourists to generate money to sustain environmental protection. Why would the Swiss want to condone this? All your boys have to do is ride in single file on the trail & not veer off and use their rear tire as dirt plows. Everybody wants to do that kind of riding to add challenge when biking on mostly a hiking trail. But they hold off on their fun because if everybody rides like that it ruins stuff & bikes will be banned off more trails. Anybody can go to there local nature conservancy & get great scenic shots ripping up a hiking trail. Thankfully not everybody is that desperate to get there video posted online.
www.pinkbike.com/news/It-Pays-to-be-Courteous-video-2013.html
Solang India has a warmer lush climate, flora there regrows very fast. It's hard to keep flora off a built trail in that part of the world anyways. They need a bike park. Shaperideshoot should go there & build trails where there skidding will be greatly appreciated just so the trail will stay visible. India has ample 6000 meter mountain land that they have set aside for conservancy. To bad they have not protected other types of environments that are easier to drive to.
  • + 1
 al-pine, thanks for the response. A bit disappointing to not hear from Rey (I see he's posted) but that is understandable and PB articles are a poor place for discussion. I suspect in person most of us have more in common than conflict.

As to your points, I totally agree there's lemming mentality in article comments. Lots of anti-trail skidding comments here (including from me) www.pinkbike.com/news/Fabien-Barel-Presents-Riding-Spruce-Lake-with-Jeff-Lenosky-2013.html; and in other articles but a lot of articles and pictures show gratuitious skid/drift. The fact that the comments are so diverse shows there's no agreement among bikers. For the sake of argument I submit that those with long-term views and emotional investment in trails aren't crazy about the drifting/skidding. Those with shorter term views and less emotional investment tend to be either meh or like it. Not judging; just saying

I also confess I don't know what it's like in western Wallis where I think the video was shot. I do know the Swiss are very regional and their politics are also really regional. It might be that the anti-bike crowd in western Wallis are strong and the mountain-bike is on a short leash there.

Last point and sorry for being so wordy. Yah to bikers the trail impact may very well be minor. My view is coloured by the fact that there are anti-biking crazies in North Vancouve and whenever someone says something stupid or films/videos something the crazy people will bring it to city council and try to paint all of us as a bunch of axe-murdering thugs in the woods. So I look on videos of this type through that lense.

Eh - probably overthinking this. TLBig Grin R, I will go for a ride and go build some trail as it's very nice here right now. Thanks for respectful listening/discussion and I wish you a good day.
  • - 1
 @Al-pine no one cares (here on pinkbike) because they don't live there and most likely also they don't have the trail use BS the we have in the west.
@SithBike the Swiss are overzealous when it comes to "conservation" and sometimes full of it. They clean their forests from debris which is TOTALLY unnatural and removes nutrients from the forest. They are all about preservation yet when it came down to deciding whether or not to reintroduce bears NO ONE was up for that! And frankly this idea that nature is fragile and needs to be protected is bull. Nature isn't static it is always changing and evolving and I recommend reading about the effects of human conservation attempts, Yellowstone National Park is a great example of how human intervention almost always makes things WORSE!

Don't get me wrong I love nature and I think we should prevent destruction such as massive logging or building or mining but a little skidding is NOT the apocalypse!
  • + 1
 They clean the forest? That effort should be put into making that trail better. Trails where you can get a natural clean water refill along the way rule. My favorites for sure, there like the world before industrial pollution. A video "thanks", for showing me that trail. It truly is a world class gem. All I am saying is "(insert trail name here) FOREVER!"
  • + 2
 Shredding, awesome video, really captures what having fun on your bike with your mates is all about!
  • + 2
 Sweet riding and the filming was really good! The guy in all black-gear has a funny riding style Big Grin
  • - 1
 The whole vibe is wrong. Bad caption creates the wrong context, bad music, etc. Skillful riding yeah, of course. we know on public lands and multi-use trails this is bad etiquette, and we do it anyway cuz you have to keep the speeds up and slowing down is not the preferred option. If you live in a place with use conflicts this makes you feel differently cuz you know you run the risk of losing the privilege of riding your favorite trail, but still you can't stop ripping it up.

This video and the discussion below is illustrative of the major issue and the feeling involved. Keep in mind also that 95% of riders ride "correctly" and us 5% of fast riders are the problem.
  • + 8
 That is to imply that the slow riders dont make breaking bumps? If so, ridiculous. Slower riders are the cause of trail destruction.

Look at any 'main line' in the Alps. Breaking bumps bigger than your mum's saggy fat rolls and all of that because 95% of the people are "proper riders", who ironically, are the least perceptive of the trail, look no further than their front wheel and have little to no ability to anticipate movements and changes in the terrain.

Converse to that, the "5%" who are 'destroying' the trails actually cause less damage. They have later braking points, take different lines and prefer to jump rather than plough. This all added together means they spend less time damaging less of the trail because they are braking over a smaller area, spreading out the 'trail damage' because of different line choice and have the ability to read trail better so are more aware of changes and are less likely to jam the brakes on to avoid imminent failure.

As far as the vibe goes, well whatever, I guess humour and irony are lost on people. I guess that says more about 'the community' and attitudes that people have to endure (sour grapes, chewing a wasp, very very serious) in cycling than a video about some guys riding their bikes and getting stoked on it.

Hats off to the haters, you've all done a terrific job!

Bike riding is supposed to be a laugh - do skids, be an idiot, shred the trails, tear up the loam and HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!! I know one thing is for sure, skids never get old....

:-) xoxoxox
  • + 2
 braking bumps dont concern me...

1) the "haters" are right- this is "bad etiquette" for public multi-use trails... thats the bottom line... it does get trails shut down... it does make us bad members of the trail use community... it does create polemics... it does create erosion (in some climates more than others)... to present yourself as a public menace for fun is kind of asinine, even though it probably isnt actually true...

2) this is totally a good time..

both things are true... you can totally ride like an ass, and not love to kick puppies in your spare time... but on the other side- to deny that treating a trail like a race-course has consequences when you are riding on multi-use trails on public lands is just dumb... i dont know why so many riders cant deal with that more easily... its pretty simple...

the comments are funny to me...
  • + 3
 Agreed, the comments are hilarious.

Unfortunately, the haters aren't right. What is mountain biking if you can't have fun? If having fun isn't riding like a weapon of mass destruction and tearing the trail a new one, then what is it? If we all had to ride at a slow speed, only use our brakes for a certain period and never ever skid then where would 100% of mountain bikers be?

Ironically, most of the 'skids' in this video are drifts. And ironically, the amount of destruction is wholly insignificant when compared to:

1. The amount of bloodshed that would happen if that haters got their hands on the riders.
2. The amount of destruction building a bike park involves so that 'sustainable' trails can be built.
3. The amount of destruction caused by logging machines, cars, vans, trucks etc etc when using forests as cash cows rather then just fun mountain biking.
4. The amount of destruction a wild boar causes when foraging for food on the forest floor.
5. The construction of ski pistes and associated infrastructure so people can ski on the lovely clean snow.
6. Mining for natural resources in forests.
7. Th flooding of large forest areas to build a damn.

....you get the idea.

No walkers were run over, no old ladies' purses were stolen. No cats were eaten but maybe a few spiders might have been scared.

I don't know why people ride or love bikes on this site (it clearly isn't for the same reasons as me) but I get the feeling that the fun and speed element isnt there. When I ride my bike I want to ride it as fast as I humanly can.

Enjoy the trails, don't eat the cats and do lots of skids, cuz at the end of the day life is short.

:-) peace to the haters.
  • - 1
 It's ok to have fun and catch a little bit of drift on turns but theres a difference between tossing some dirt around and causing a landslide. Also if this was there own trail that they worked on, it would be fine. But the fact that some dedicated trail builder is going to go up and look at the mess they caused to his masterpiece is a problem. If your going to skid all over the trail you better be walking right back up with a shovel in your hand
  • + 3
 This is sick. I've always wanted to take a trip to somewhere like this.
  • + 4
 gesafelstein!!!!!!!!!
  • + 1
 I said the same thing!!! WOOT!
  • - 1
 Those were some serious rookie showoffs. I think this counts as a Scott "fail" video. Skidding on a multiple-use nature trail is only appreciated and accepted by those without bike talent. Bikers are supposed to be stewards of the environment. There not supposed to shut down "family" biking trails. Where will all the children ride if this continues? Find a real bike trail if you want to make a video.
  • + 3
 Wont some body pleeease, think of the children! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Children and families do not use these trails.
  • + 1
 lol@al-pine but seriously sithbike seriously WTF!
  • + 0
 It's ok if they want to have some fun and shred the trails. But only if you actually go back and put the trail in a better condition than you found it.
  • + 2
 what models of scott were those?
  • + 1
 Scott Genius
  • + 1
 Great, i caannot wait till I got mine. How are they? Were you considering genius lt models?
  • + 1
 funny how I don't see any comments from people in Switzerland....Iwonder what they think?
  • + 4
 we'll see, they're about to wake up...
  • - 1
 I also saw someone say that they build lots of trails so they can shred a few. But if I had build a trail and someone else ripped it up, even if someone else has built 100 trails, it's not yours and you'd still be angry.
  • + 2
 That music is almost as annoying as watching them ride like twats.
  • + 2
 Nive video, shame about the music. Yahh, ziz is techno party?
  • + 0
 That was kind of unnecessary skidding.. dunno. In Germany skidding isn't much popular.. not merely you're destroying trails but rather because of the erosion..
  • - 1
 I think the positive is to see almost everyone is against the trail destruction. Sure it looks good, but that trail wont last the season if everyone does that. Lets keep things in line and everyone can enjoy it!
  • + 2
 brake boosting!!
  • + 0
 I'm quite surprised this didn't get noticed during editing, but the 'music' is stuck!
  • + 1
 Love the final shot of both riders eating it, dirt always wins!
  • - 3
 Ignorant idiots! They turn nice single trails into ground zero... What an arrogant attitude: after me... nothing but the deluge.
If they want to skid and drift like that, they should do that where they don't destroy trails, such as mines.
That's the reason why we are attacked on trails and hated by many people...
If I catch these guys, I gonna EXTEND THEIR HOLES in the same way they extend/destroy the trails*grrrrrrrrr*
  • - 3
 Word! Those single trails where they were riding are also hiking trails. Their unnecessary skids are one reason to forbid mountain bikes on our beautiful hiking trails network! Ride, don't slide!
  • - 1
 I could not agree more with you, sad video
  • - 1
 I agree with you. I'm very sad when I see such trails being destroyed by some guys thinking there are the only ones who are riding there...
  • + 0
 They did so many skids that the mountain actually got flattened. It now rests at 0 meters above sea level.
  • + 5
 it's amazing to see that most of us with the Swiss flag before our nick agree on our comments...also those with a different flag but some come sense agree..and then you lot that made the video giving negative props to all of us, lame...you don't get it because you are spoiled and come to our backyard, where we ride, and we have to accept and cheer your selfish riding. Grow up and be consequent..or maybe stay home playing Playstation, you seem to do quite well Alex
  • - 1
 That's fine bro I appreciate the consequences of life's actions, probably the reason I play a lot of playstation.

I gave negative props to those who I disagree with. That is how it works, or is that lame? I suppose that makes your comments lame because you disagree with me?

I see absolutely no reason to categorise people by their nationality. It should make no difference, after all the love for bike ride can transcend all hatred, race, creed and opinions... Or maybe not. Which is a shame.

Why is the riding selfish? Why do I have to grow up? What will being middle aged teach me about bike riding? Except that maybe I am too old for it and injuries hurt more.

I am spoiled. You make your own fortune brother, you work for it. We've all worked for something. I've worked so I can ride as fast as I can and enjoy a trail for its loamy goodness. Oh sorry I mean skid everywhere.

No hate from here, just love. Xoxoxox
  • + 2
 What is lame is that you guys cannot understand the real threat in Switzerland and why we all residents in this country jumped out of chairs when we saw the video, the one that you guys described as "destroyed the loamy trails and shocked the local"

No one categorize people by countries here, but if they ban mtb in the country I live, it affects me and those with the swiss flag before their name. You can always stay in your Chatel park and laugh about our misfortune.

Your riding is selfish when you only think about yourself, which you all clearly do in the video. Same argument as above.
You have to grow up because with this behaviour they will shut the Valais.

I'm no one to teach you anything, maybe I could say that because I'm riding before you were born I've gotten to see what happens when we go pissing people off. We all loved Rampage, enjoy bike parks, shreding and a bloody good DH day. But don't f*ck around on the trails that we have to share with others. That makes people hate us. Private ground? do as you want, build your own kicks and jump, skid, send it. Public ground? You have to have some etiquette.

No hate from here neither, don't get me wrong, is just my opinion. A very biased one because there are talks in the community where I live to ban our nearest mountain from mtbikers. Imagine the goverment would do that to you, would you not react?
  • - 2
 The description is a satirical take on the life of mountain bikers. Loads of bikers are rich, chalet dwelling, affluent people. It is similar to the irony of rich skiers dressing like gangsters... If people do not understand satire, sarcasm or jokes then that is their problem and pity on them for taking life too seriously, jumping to conclusions and not thinking outside the box.

Your points are salient, but they are misplaced and your understand of the video is flawed.

I still don't understand what behaviour you think will shut the valais down. Riding our bikes there? Enjoying the trails? Riding fast and having fun? Drifting (not skidding) around corners? Additionally, how do you expect the police or government to shut a trail down? How is that something that is feasible? It is beyond the scope of the police and is nigh on impossible to actually enforce.

If the people in the video had caused injury to people or destruction to property then I would agree with you. That hasn't happened and until it does your reaction is way overblown. May I politely suggest a reality check?

Trail etiquette is a whole new argument. Did the people in the video leave rubbish? No. Did they chop any trees down? No. Did they destroy a trail that was built by hand? No. Did they destroy any trails? No. Did they have a good time? Yes. Could evolene evolve into a mountain bike hot spot? Yes. Will this video make people want to go there? Yes.

I just don't see the problem.

I am sorry to hear about your local trails. Where do you ride?
  • + 1
 Great riding, beautiful valley, terrible music. mountain biking is definetly in danger in Switzerland, you should inform yourself al-pine, mtbikers are tolerated on some hiking trails but just tolerated, the law doesn't give a right to ride them, neither it forbids to ride them. just respect the hikkers and the trails and it should be fine. I don't think the video is any shocking but the ironic description doesn't fit to the situation in switzerland
  • + 4
 ok let's agree to disagree Wink

Let me just ask you a favour on behalf of the swiss biking community, keep your turns neat and avoid skidding and/or drifting (same results with one or the other) when driving on trails that have those yellow signs on a post. Those are marked trekking/hiking trails and therefore under surveillance, believe it or not.

I ride in Kanton Zug, but due to the situation we are facing, we are now taking the cars and driving to Davos/Lenzerheide.
  • - 2
 I'm happy to agree to disagree. Good luck with keeping your local trails open.
  • + 1
 Don't do that on my trails or i'll stick a shovel in your front wheel.
  • + 1
 That's how single trail is turned into single track... idiots.
  • + 1
 You bet!
  • - 3
 thanks. you guys sure can lock up the back brake and ride off stuff! Next up - cornering and pulling up on jumps! If these guys keep with it they might make average! Everyone has a camera and films themselves. Cause everyone is awesome. I'm gonna go stare at myself in the mirror now.
  • + 1
 So much comments!! You guys put too much importance in bullshits
  • + 0
 Good video, but can you try next time not to destroy the trails you are riding at?
  • + 0
 That music though... Really?
  • + 1
 Those nature shots
  • + 1
 Sick dolphin solo dj!
  • + 1
 Whos the music by???????
  • + 1
 Gesafelstein
  • + 0
 I couldnt watch it because of the shit music.
  • + 1
 your mute button broke??
  • - 3
 id love to see if these guys could even ride with just a front brake, OR half the modulation in each brake. theyd learn how to be actually fast quick. locking rear and sliding isnt fast
  • - 2
 I agree, not seeing much talent from these guys. Riding way too stiff
  • + 2
 Your guys must be mad. Not least because alot of these skids were drifts, that were just initiated with the rear brake..
  • - 1
 All that skidding for nothing. Makes me sick just watching it. These guys suck balls.
  • - 1
 There's skids. Then there's too many skids.
  • - 1
 Great stuff. I always wish i could make such high quality edits
  • - 1
 At least they didn't make the rocks wider...
  • - 1
 only reason i like the off season, too ride my little bike
  • - 2
 The new electro stars
  • + 1
 ive looked , cant find anything , you have a link per chance!?
  • + 1
 Je trouve que la music va bien avec ton vid mais j'aime le video clip de cet chanson aussi!
  • + 1
 I love you Sintra Freeride!
  • + 1
 lol! Alors il faux que tu me donne ton adresse si non n'est pas de cadeau de Portugal! PS: Tu veux roule "Nitro" Mardi?
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