GT's $5000 Force Carbon Expert

Aug 29, 2013 at 19:23
by Richard Cunningham  

GT Force Carbon Expert

GT Force
  GT bowled 300 when it released the 150-millimeter-travel Force Carbon. Its rear suspension is a completely new adaptation of its Independent Drive system. The more affordable Expert model shares the same chassis as the elite level Carbon Pro - which largely justifies its $5000 price tag.


GT's new Force Carbon Pro captured our attention when we first laid eyes on it at their 2014 preview in Park City, Utah. The 150-millimeter-travel carbon fiber all-mountain/enduro racer is as fast - and as expensive - as it looks, with a MSRP of $7050. Not to worry though, because GT packed almost as much performance into the Force Carbon Expert model and it sells for almost two thousand dollars less. Suggested retail pricing in the US is $5210 for the Force Carbon Expert, which is still a large chunk of change - but for a hard-core enthusiast who needs a bike that can walk the walk in the all-mountain/trail arena, it represents a bit of a bargain.

GT Force
  The attention to detail that GT put into the Force Carbon chassis is over the top - including some of the most desirable graphics we've seen during the recent rash of 2014 debuts. The new Independent Drive suspension (top left) incorporates a dropout pivot and modern leverage rates. A direct-mount rear derailleur hanger adds Saint-like rigidity to its Deore XT rear changer, and its WTB i23 wheels are shod with DH-knar, 2.40-inch Continental Trail King tires.


The 2014 Force is GT's stamp of approval on 650B wheels, but disregarding its wheel diameter, it could easily be the best handling trailbike that GT has ever made. The Expert model shares the same geometry and carbon chassis as its Force Carbon Pro, while the savings stem from its Shimano XT/SLX drivetrain, which includes the all-important Shadow Plus clutch-type XT rear derailleur, and a suspension package that mixes the best of RockShox and Fox. The 150-millimeter fork is a RockShox Revelation Solo Air, while the shock is a Fox Float CTD. Brakes are good looking and powerful stopping Formula The Ones, with 180-millimeter rotors on both ends, and little was spared in the cockpit, as the Force Carbon Expert sports a KS LEV dropper seatpost with internal routing, a Fizik saddle, and a generously wide, 760-millimeter Kore handlebar. The only loser part on this bike is GT's throwback to the 90s choice of a triple-chainring crank. We'd advise Force Expert customers to switch out the big sprocket with a bash ring - ride and repeat.

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214 Comments
  • 287 6
 So are people who can only spend $5000 on a bike now enthusiasts? I'm starting to agree with those that say this sport is getting pretty darn expensive...
  • 144 8
 If you ain't got money, you can always be stoked - and bro, that's like being rich in a better way
  • 128 1
 i literally laughed-out-loud (sarcastically) when i read "priced within reach of enthusiast-level shredders". someone even came into my room to ask why i lol'd... sorry, but i can't even afford a $2k-3k aluminum steed.
  • 85 0
 I'm not necessarily saying I don't have the money, but I don't think they should be saying that commitment to the sport increases proportionally with wallet size. Look at people who drive Ferrari's. Are they all the best drivers on the road? No, but they can afford the car. Same thing is true here
  • 6 1
 I mean...compared to what other carbon completes go for?
  • 5 1
 yeah, i do admit the price is amazing for the specs on a carbon frame! if i had the money, i'd be on this one. it was more of a dig on me being a cheapskate Big Grin
  • 5 5
 Because 5K MSRP means 4 and change at the shop level...which translates to significantly less by the time it hits the used market. Gotta pay to play with the new toys.
  • 25 6
 Nah just trollin'... I remember getting a bike catalogue in 2003 and it was full of super expensive bikes as well, 5k+ which was more money by then. One bike comes particularly to my mind and it was top shelf Cannondale Scalpel at 9k.

It was always a sport for fast&poor vs slow@loaded. Everytime I get smoked by someone on our trails it hurts mich more when he is on a shitty bike. If you want to let some frustration out, go to a lical XC race abd stand by some sketchy downhill section. Shout: C'moooon! Carbon 29er and you are carrying the bike?! - priceless...
  • 4 1
 At the top of any sport; if spending money can make you faster or get you better kit, people will spend. But I doubt that unless you are professional, then the difference in cash between a basic fork and shock/frame material and the equivalent top end shocks and carbon, will make little difference to your times. I remember going to the Fort William WC a few years back to spectate and being on the gondola with a couple of the riders who made the final- I was looking at the bikes and, at the time, mine had a 'better' build kit! I dislike the kit shaming that happens on PB, but just forget about it and remember that PB is funded by the industry.
  • 11 25
flag toldownhill13 (Aug 30, 2013 at 1:54) (Below Threshold)
 It's a good price for the spec so Get over yourselves bikes are expensive so just go out and suck it up those that want it enough will get it and those that don't will get something else because its cheaper.
  • 20 0
 Americans should be grateful of the price they get that side of the pond. Everything seems more expensive in blighty.
  • 19 1
 the market is goin crazy to me .. 5000 has passed from expensive to affordable .. No way
  • 8 2
 the world has gone mad. you can buy bikes that cost as much as a new car, yeah that seems reasonable.
basically the companies know they wont sell as many units as we are all skint, but the hardcore will buy no matter what the cost. so the companies put up the price to keep profits high. its the same in the top end camera market too. canon 5d mk1 £1250, 5d mk2 £1700, then 5d mk3 £2700!!!!
  • 1 12
flag toldownhill13 (Aug 30, 2013 at 2:36) (Below Threshold)
 Americans complaining about $5000 that's so cheap for the bike ! But if we import it we have loads and loads of tax to pay on it ! Me and my mate bought fox 831's in America and then had them shipped by a mate to us here. In the uk £750 in America $850 so that's equal to £450/500 saving £300/£250. So cheap !
  • 8 0
 In Sweden we have to pay $6800. Just checked with a swedish store. For SLX components and a RS Revleation... Not going to happen!
  • 3 1
 Mad that lad ! I
Think it'll be about £5400 here
  • 6 3
 anyway, there's no way i am spending 5000 on this bike.
not only because i'm not an "enthusiast" - but because an enduro bike should not cost as much as a proper downhill bike. sorry, gt
  • 5 0
 In my opinion it nearly impossible to buy a decent bike for under 2000€ ( You'll have to work out the $ and GBR's ). I end up aiming for the bottom of the range with the attitute that all the cheap & crappy parts are going to break anyway so I'll replace them but by bit. I still end up forking out 3000€ + but it doesn't seem to hurt as much :-( . I don't really want carbon crap but that's all that seems to be out there with decent parts and costing a fortune. I'm tired of reading about 5000€ + bikes 'cause I'm not going to buy one anyway. It really annoys me though that I can never get hold of just the frame ! Why is that so ? I prefer to build my own bike anyway but am limited to the available Frame-kits and end up buying a whole bike just to get the frame I want .
  • 4 1
 I can imagine spending $5000 on a bike but It would have to be much better than this.
Just to compare, my current bike is a custom built Rocky Mountain Slayer (2006 aluminium frame, built in Canada) and it has full Sram XO 2x10 groupset, Crossmax SX wheels, Fox Float RP3 shock, Fox Talas RC2 fork, Hope M4 brakes, Thomson components, you name it... and it cost me about $3300 to buy all of it.
  • 11 0
 The biggest problem is not the price but is that when you start earning enough to get proper bike, you do not have so much time to use it ((

As for the price I do not understand why people always surprised so much about the price of carbon high-end machine or some "boutique" frames like Nikolai or Knolly. There are plenty of well spec'd bike around, just look for big brands, like Trek or Giant - they can desing awesome bikes like Trance and Fuel and sell them for reasonable price just because they are so huge companies. Just look for descounted/refurbished/test bikes, I have found my Trek Fuel ex 9 2013 for 2500 eu., and I can assure you it is amazing bycicle.

PS WAKI is totally right, cool bikes were always expensive, I also still remember prices for Scalpel decade ago ))
  • 3 1
 To be fair it does say "for the hard core enthusiast."
  • 6 5
 Yes, I feel so much better for myself now. I'm a hard core enthusiast. Phhh those kids on aluminium hardtails that were 20 minutes faster than we on our 11kg carbon Enduro rigs. - Indeed Robert! What can they know. When I was their age I rode Enduro on a steel 29er with a rigid fork... LUXURY! MY bike had no fork when I was their age! - Luxury! I rode my first enduro on a bike without wheels and I found it in a lake! - Luxury! On my first Enduro, my bike had no wheels, no frame, I run with the seat post in m ass and my father would run after me beating me with a rusty hose! - yes... and if you just approached them and told them that, they would never believe us...
  • 8 2
 That just seems incredibly condescending to me. RC's been drinking the bike industry Kool Aid for waaaay too long.
  • 6 2
 If I was buying a £5000 for a bike I'd expect Somthing a bit better that an Xt/slx group set on!!! !!!!!!!
  • 3 1
 Re: milkdrop; But that's exactly it. When Nikolai or Rotwild charges $5000 for their bike, I can totally understand it because I know that I 'm paying for the "Made in Germany" decal. But $5000 for a GT?
  • 9 0
 I owned my share of top shelf carbon fiber bikes and it never made me ride better, or have more fun. My favorite bike to ride these days is a 26", alloy FS trail bike, custom built with what I know works best for me after over a decade of riding. The thing is not one bit trendy (I don't care), bombproof and a total blast to ride. We can all drool over the top of the line carbon Bronson or Scalpel Black but once you're sitting on a bike, all that matters is the trails you ride and the grin they put on your face...
  • 2 0
 Re: madknob: I know that it's mainly the wheel size which made the difference but I tried the Bronson a month ago and if the trail is very rocky with tree roots, the ride is much smoother than on my (not cheap) 26" Rocky Mountain. So in a sense it made me ride better/faster.
But even when comparing two bikes of a the same size, lighter and stiffer wheels and cranks make a noticeable difference in acceleration - it was the first thing I noticed when I sold my Giant VT2 and got my curreny bike.
  • 3 2
 toldownhill13, us americans have to pay for the things we import too. the pond gets us all.
  • 2 0
 @ Extremmist: You're right, some bikes will "make" you faster on certain terrains but unless you race at a high level, shaving a few seconds to your run/lap is not going to make much of a difference. Riding a bike at it's limits is what puts a grin on my face. As far as wheels, cranks and other components go, I'm with you. that's why I custom built the latest bike, including the wheel set. No way I could have got what I wanted on a stock bike.
  • 5 2
 Whoa, where are people getting new cars that only cost 5k???


This is a seriously solid price for a brand new, carbon full-build.
  • 6 3
 Extremist - can you say what suspension and tyres/pressures are we talking about?

My 29er wasn't much smoother than my 26er on my trails. There is a certain obstacle-size threshold above which the suspension has to take the wheel off the way of the obstacle, otherwise you loose speed. It's a hypothetical attack angle above which the wheel needs help, be it suspension or tyre pressure. That angle and size of obstacles is much smaller than marketing would like you to believe. So as long as we talk fire roads and minor roots big wheels roll better but baby heads, big roots small boulders - how about no? 650B has advantage in form of added stability (BB drop) and a tiny advantage in terms of grip on some of the surfaces - uphill grip on gravel in particular...

I measured time between my 26" HT and 29" HT, in similar conditions, similar fitness level, with identical brakes, controls and drivetrains, and nearly identical forks and tyres. The "only" major difference was rim weight, 440 on 26" vs 610 on 29". Trails: slow/medium speed, max 80m difference in height, lots of roots rock and boulders. 29er got his ass kicked by 30min on 2-2,5h ride. Despite better grip on uphills 29er got owned by 26ers acceleration and nimbleness. All it gained on uphills it lost in drying mud. You see, larger contact patch is awesome on slippery surfaces and treacherous on sticky ones.

Conclusion: there is more to a wheel than it's diameter, and there's more to a bike than it's wheels
  • 5 1
 @ chrisclifford. I laugh every time someone says that this sport is getting more and more expensive. If you only look at the top of the line products that may be true but mountain biking and cycling in general has never been more affordable in my opinion. The level of bike you can get for 1500-2500 is amazing. And if you want to rock a hard tail then you can get a great bike at even less then that.
  • 1 1
 SHit! Can barely afford used gt carbon frame let alone new.!!! Boy i wish.
  • 2 0
 Granted that this bike is coming with a $1,200 msrp fork doesn't have anything to do with the overall price. And what more do you want out of a group set for 5k everything being XTR, will never happen.
  • 1 3
 hey hey..... for everyone complaining i have one word. PROOOOOOO-FFFOOORRRMMMM!!!!!!! hahahaha. yeah i would consider this bike affordable for me >Smile
  • 2 0
 5000 $ to have a slx crank and a horrific stem ??!!
  • 2 0
 @dirty-fecker Check out YT bikes. just a bit over 2000 Eur
  • 1 1
 Why is everyone complaining about the price? All carbon AM bikes are about that price. Look at the SB66C. It ranges from $4,500-$7,800 and people think the world of that bike. This bike will be sick!!
  • 2 0
 I bought a 2002 4wd 5.3 Tahoe for $400 LESS than this bike. I dont know about you guys, but I dont think biking should be a $10k sport to get into. For that, just start racing motorcycles.

Downhill isnt cheap, but why go bankrupt trying for it?
  • 5 0
 Biking is not a 10k sport to get into, you are only looking at the high end of the spectrum. I would argue biking is more affordable than ever right now.
  • 1 0
 Can you company man
  • 4 0
 This is why I buy of pink bike Smile
  • 6 0
 LoL. You don't need to spend 10K to get into the sport. You can do that for under a grand. You don't need an insane bike with a carbon frame and top notch parts. That's ridiculous. And congratulations, you bought a decade old truck for less than a brand new higher end carbon bike. Apples to Oranges slim.
  • 2 0
 Thank you Cyrix, another voice of reason.
  • 2 1
 Agreed, if you're a starter and you want to get into the sport. $2000 will get you a nice bike and all your equipment helmet, gloves, pads etc. That's if the bike is used though. But you could probably do it for less depending on what kind of riding you'll be doing. dirt jumping for example you could start for under $1000. Dh will cost you a bit more.
  • 2 0
 With bike companies continually raising prices its going to make it harder and harder for younger more cash straped individuals to get into the sport. It would be nice to see more companies lowering their prices and still providing a quality product.
  • 1 1
 Everyone complaining about price is just really out of touch with reality. It's sad that you think you need a $6k - $7k to have fun.

Yes, the higher end of the market continues to advance and get more expensive, but just look at what you can get for $2,500 to $3,500 these days!! You can get an incredibly capable bike that just a few years ago, would have been out of reach of the beginning/average/enthusiast rider.

Thinking in terms of performance per dollar, bikes have actually gotten incredibly affordable. As bikes continue to advance, the high end of the market will get more expensive, but that technology will also continue to trickle down to the more affordable bikes for us, "enthusiasts" and we all benefit.
  • 1 1
 In the end I just have fun putting money into my bike. Any beginner or starter can go out and buy a Trek Fuel EX5 for 1,400 brand new and thats a lot of bike.
  • 2 2
 Buying a complete bike is like throwing money out the window.... build your bike and save about $1500
  • 2 0
 The amount of options for a full suspension XC, Trail or AM bike right now under $2000 new is greater than ever. Anyone who thinks pricing is getting higher is crazy, maybe at the top end but that affects way fewer consumers. And the quality of bike that you get at $2000 is way better than it use to be. People are just spoiled these days I think, they expect the best of everything but do not want to pay for it or feel that they are somehow above lower quality parts.
  • 1 1
 My 2000 Sworks was $3500 or $3600 back then. Considering what you get now for a little more I don't think its getting more expensive, you just haven't been around long enough to realize it's cheaper.
  • 1 1
 I guess 20 years of riding isn't long enough?
  • 2 1
 of course not. 21 years is, though.
  • 2 1
 @THE-GUNT: If you think piecing together a bike will save you money versus buying a complete...you haven't been around long enough.
  • 3 0
 Agreed^^ to build up a bike brand new spec for spec as a complete on in the shop you will end up spending more.
  • 2 1
 Word up on that GUNT. Like building a PC, you get a better one for less if you do it yo' self.

$5,000? For a bicycle? WTF? You can get a bike with a 50 HP motor in it for that, son.
  • 1 4
 @donch15 . If people pay full price for bike or bike parts they are a fool....
  • 1 1
 @THE-GUT: Now you're trying to make a different argument, to try and qualify your first argument.

In the age of the internet, it's not usually advisable to pay full price for anything. Thank you captain obvious.

That being the case, 9 times out of 10, you'll still get a better deal buying a complete bike.
  • 1 1
 @the-gunt. We weren't talking about paying full price. We were talking about building up a bike compared to buying a complete.
  • 1 1
 Gotcha. My mistake
  • 3 1
 i like turtles
  • 2 0
 its a push bike, yes a top end one but still a push bike. the fact people think $5000 is reasonable just goes to show we have all been brain washed into thinking its acceptable. in the 5 or 6 years ive been riding bikes have nearly doubled in price. a top end bike cost about 2-3 grand max when i started riding. now thats the starting price for an average bike these days and top end bikes cost 5-6 grand. yet we are all poorer and have less disposable income. so the bike companies sell fewer bikes but make the same amount of money.
  • 3 1
 @gingerninja: You're not even close.
  • 2 0
 Gunt- new to forums? I was replying to the OP who's profile indicates he's 16 so I doubt he's been riding 20 years.
  • 1 2
 People can keep paying top $$$$ for bikes if they want. Someday they will wake up and know they don't have to .I just built up a 2013 Pivot mach 5.7 carbon x9 , arch wheels, slant fork , magura brakes, chromag everything , chris king and more for under $3500...... So people keep spending top $$$ and keep pushing the prices up.....
  • 2 2
 Yay you!
  • 1 1
 High 5... Keep all the hate coming.. you guys are awesome
  • 1 1
 whether my truck is 11 yrs old now is irrelevant to the fact that it 1) can tow a car. 2) has a/c & heater. 3) most importantly, it has an engine, seats 7 and can take me anywhere in the country.

Spend your money how you want, but 5k can buy you alot more than just 2 wheels. If you have it, spend it, not my business to tell you how or where to do it. But dont flame me because I made a better fiscal and vehicular related decision than a bicycle.
  • 1 0
 i can finally afford to buy xt/x9 level stuff, but ill never be faster than a 20 yr old even on a $9000 bike. but dont hate on me for wanting the best. consider what the best costs in any hobby sport, and i'd say mtb is a good deal. i like the tech and how it contributes to my smile. thanks for 2x10, 4 piston brakes, clutch deraillure, droppers, carbon rims, remote suspension control, 27 & 29 wheel choice... mtb can feel like F1 racing. i say keep it coming, i'll only live once.
  • 2 1
 I am not hating on anyone for spending THEIR money how they want. If you want the best, buy the best. 9 times out of 10, the best stuff last longer anyway, so its a better investment. I just think the flaming and the bullshit directed toward me for mentioning my truck was unnecessary. They are saying this is an "enthusiast" level bike that costs what a WC capable DH rig did a year or 2 ago. Not a good deal if you ask me.
  • 3 0
 You're decision to buy a truck is not any better a decision for someone to buy an $8000 carbon demo. I'm not "flaming you for buying a truck". But your statement is pretty hypocritical that YOU made the better decision but don't care how people spend their own money.
  • 2 0
 I think its a hell of a lot better. According to the polls on this website, the majority of us ride 2-3 times a week, when the sport is in season. so 5k, or 8k, or 10k for ZOMG best of the business everything with an unobtanium frame that you can only use periodically as an enthusiast is ridiculous. According to the polls we are all enthusiasts who only ride 2-3 times a week. At that level 8k is a waste, is it not? You may not see it as one, and that is fine. But unless you are Cat 1, or Pro, or Expert, that 8k bike does exactly the same thing as a 2.5k Supreme. Or 1k 10yr old single pivot rig. I know carbon is lighter, suspension tech has gotten better, angles have changed, bikes and riders are faster now. But a 3yr old DH rig can be had for 2-3k in good condition with low use. That seems a better deal for us "enthusiast" riders.

But no matter what I say, someone will find a point to argue. So spend your money how you want. Dont be surprised when some a*shole kid like me buys it from you after its depreciated 50% in a year.
  • 2 0
 I ride a god damn stinky man! It's 7 years old and I got it for 850 because that's what I could afford. All I'm saying is no one cares that you bought a truck instead of a bike. You keep repeating yourself that you don't care how people spend their money, but then criticize them for spending it on what they want!!!
  • 1 0
 I just think there are better ways to spend it. Your Stinky does every thing you need you need it to and you saved $4200 lol. I know someone has to buy these things brand new so that we can buy them used, but just like new car prices, they keep going up and the technology really isnt there to support the price. Unless its all just inflation, at which point I am no economist, so I cant provide any validation for that. It would seem that a majority of the comments agree that this bike, while labelled as one for enthusiasts, is in fact, not a good buy. I was simply supporting that opinion with a different and likely illogical argument/analogy.
  • 2 0
 I would never buy this bike, no need for it, and it doesn't even look like 5k. But some people have the ability to buy it, and that's my point, people can use their money how they want to.
  • 15 1
 I love the sport but hate where the manufactures are taking the price of the bikes. I find it really hard to spend that much money on a bike and by next year it is worth ALOT LESS. It makes me sick when I can buy a car, motorcycle, atv, etc... for around the same price or less than a pedal bike with a lot less technology or parts. Seriously, 5K is a good price for a bike, I don't agree. I think there could be a lot more progression and a lot more athletes come out of our sport if they made it a lot more affordable.
  • 5 0
 I find it sad that manufacturers don't see anything wrong with pricing a bike that's not even top shelf at 5K, I doubt that many of these companies are rider owned because anybody that was one of us would realize there's something very wrong
  • 1 0
 The thing is, if they didn't charge 5k a bike then the progression would be much slower as they have less money. Money is where progression comes from...
There will always be people who can afford bikes like that (and i wish i could) but for us mere mortals we just have to wait till they're sold second hand.
I am not saying i agree with the pricing at all, but in the end they need the money to improve on last years model and as the sport becomes more popular they need to improve quicker.
  • 3 8
flag deeeight (Aug 30, 2013 at 3:05) (Below Threshold)
 Given that I just had car repairs done totalling nearly 4k, just to get it road worthy to transfer ownership and have it licensed and insured properly, $5k for a bike is pretty reasonable to me. You want your toys, you have to pay for them.
  • 4 0
 if they sold the bikes for cheaper more people would buy them though...
  • 4 2
 And bike manufacturers would be out of business, not to mention the shops.
  • 2 0
 Except there wouldn't be enough profit margin to justify the whole process. People do not get rich quickly in the bicycle world unless they were rich to start with (then if they do things correctly, they'll get RICHER and if they don't, they'll end up POORER).
  • 1 0
 well... that blows
  • 2 1
 I laughed out loud when WAKI said, "oh that's what it was like with the scalpel in '03 so STFU" - back then, it may have been acceptable WAKI, but these days, I'm sorry to say, going to an LBS (not all mind, but most) is an experience reserved for rich white men and their families, and that pisses me off. sure, those less fortunate can order 2nd hand from the internet, and make do with hand me downs, and etc., but why the f*ck would companies building things want to force potential customers to the second hand market? how is that reasonable for their bottom lines? to my mind, it's ridiculous to think of a sport as progressive and downright revolutionary as mountain biking becoming the preserve of a few select yuppies and their tights.
  • 4 0
 That's just one big generalization man, and it's nearly racist too. They charge $$$ to do more R&D, which trickles down to next year and the year after, and eventually it makes really sweet tech really affordable. Wow. "Rich white men, yuppies and their tights". Hilarious.

Have you been to the downhill park, an enduro race or just the local hotspot trails lately? I see more baggies, ball caps, pickups and "bra, stoked on it" than anything else. Pfft.

If you don't like the cost of things, either start shopping for cheaper things or get a better job. Either way, whining and complaining is about as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum.

Oh PB... Can't we all discuss the other relevant topics regarding the post?

Example:

The 3x drivetrain with SLX is a poor choice for a bike with a supposed "high spec".

I personally think it's great to see GT back in the news, since as a child their BMX bike was "THE SHIZ" (Vertigo or Performer)

The idea of a front fork that isn't a pike is concerning for a "high spec build" bike.

Their choice of brakes is solid, compared to the other bikes and their large majority stake in Elixirs.

See? Now isn't that nice?
  • 2 1
 i'm just making a general observation - i've lived in a few places and frankly, i just see way more white folks on trails or at bike parks than any other single group. and when i was a kid, the only other kids who were into mountain biking were usually upper middle class white folk whose parents could afford to buy them cool toys. i'm not bitter, but it sucks that things havent seemed to change at all over the years. your comment 'get a better job' only serves to underline my point. to be fair, im not asking why it is that mtb isnt more prevalent in inner cities or third world countries, where kids could clearly use a way to escape the misery and fear surrounding their upbringing, nor am i upbraiding the bike industry for continuing to cater to a market segment made up of hedge fund managers and their entitled over-fed children - i'm only making an observation. no need to get all upset bobby. indeed, continue to travel the world with your 'nice' disposition and your unshaking belief in the benevolence of the modern corporate bike (toy?) industry and your trickle down theory of economics. good luck with that!
  • 2 0
 you mean *going into an lbs is an experience reserved for rich men without families
  • 1 0
 Funny how I post basically the same comment. You get props, and I get flamed. lol. This is a funny place for sure. And 5k for a wheeled object with no motor is too much
  • 2 0
 I'm not upset at all man. I'm just making an observation. Don't make it a racial thing. I'm from the projects sir. The reason mountain biking isn't prevalent in inner cities is simple: you need terrain to get a sweet trail ride. Wink

In parts of the developing world mountain biking is a HUGE new sport, because all of the trickled-down tech is available on the cheap, and you only need a path to ride it. When I was poor and young and could not afford a bicycle I hunted and hunted until I could find a lawnmower for $20. I mowed lawns until I could save enough for a cheap BMX. Later, I picked up a paper route across town because I wanted a new GT Vertigo. As an adult, when I realized my choices in life had left me at a less-than-desired financial/socioeconomical place I decided to enroll in community college. That bled into a private university, degree, career, etc.

Again, I'm not upset at all. I just find it really hard to swallow the race card or the "make it cheaper" card when it's irrelevant. Excuses are silly. My comment about backwards caps had nothing to do with race. Those "bros" are from all backgrounds.

Cheap bikes are aplenty. Buy them if you have a problem with the high price. I do travel the world with a pleasant disposition, and while the general "trickle down economics" theory is complete BS, the trickle-down technology in biking is a fact. It's one we can all benefit from. Kids in Africa can attest to that, and they are truly the "poor black kids".

Let's just ride bikes and leave the rest out.to pasture. I won't spend my cash on this new GT, but someone else can, and that's their right/reward.
  • 20 3
 Not sure if i'm digging the aesthetics...
  • 6 2
 I really like the bike, but not those colors. Just me though.
  • 7 0
 Stealth Carbon would be so sweet!
  • 3 1
 the colors that Dan Ath and Martin Maes use in the EWS look good. Better than this one IMHO. But, as erikthefatty said, 'just me though'.
  • 2 0
 The black on white forks next to a white frame looks hot though.
  • 1 0
 Black gold and white with a 34. Hawt.
  • 2 0
 Doesn't do it for me...
  • 1 0
 i think its beautiful. Price is ugly tho.
  • 2 0
 Friggen hideous
  • 1 0
 I'm not feeling the prime colors these days. There are so many other brands playing with different color schemes and combo's. Custom color is where it's at. Mind you the paint savings likely made this affordable at $5000 LOL
  • 3 0
 Would typically agree with the stealth black look... but for some reason, this bike looks great to me! Its got a classy look without looking to loud.
  • 12 0
 5k bike and a SLX crank... ok...
  • 6 0
 It never ceases to amaze me how much people complaint about prices on this website. People seem to act like they are required to upgrade to every new group set and component every new year. If the parts or bikes are too expensive don't buy them, it's no use complaining about things that you can't currently afford.
  • 9 1
 This is getting pretty silly now, to put things in perspective - a new Honda mx bike isnt much more expensive that this and is cheaper than the top of the shop model
  • 1 2
 You mean $8k is about the same as $5k? I'm confused. Think bike parts are expensive. Moto parts are really expensive, and need constant maintenance.
  • 3 2
 If you looked at relative cost (proportion of price to either mass of product, or technology) Moto stuff still comes out way ahead. Push bike parts are getting stupid, and considering that the designs really haven't changed in about the past 5 years, manufacturing should technically cost less and less, and yet stuff keeps getting pricier????
  • 5 0
 A new 2014 CRF250f, $7500. My supermoto was $6200. I did replace the Stator and voltage regulator, $600. But I went 33,000 miles and 8 years before I had this happen. I have had to replace the rear tire once a year and have done the chain and sprockets twice. That's an average of $150 a year. And I've saved $6600 in gas! I know after getting back into mtbing 3 years ago, after being away for 5 years, (started in 91') I was shocked at the prices 3 years ago. The price went up about 75% for a run of the mill Fox, XT complete bike. With an Fox RL fork! Which is the same float fork I bought in 03. Shimano added one gear. Sure the price has gone up for raw materials, but I can buy a set of aluminum tubes and braze-ons for $145 at the retail level. Reynolds for $175!! Yes, I can design and weld them. But other than some tinkering with the dampers on forks, moving a pivot location or a top tube or adding a bend somewhere and adding an extra gear, there isn't a real difference. I doubt they are paying someone with CAD expirience millions of dollars a year to design a bike that's just a bit different and if they are, sign me up... Carbon molds aren't cheap, but they don't cost a million bucks to make either. Buying a complete bike, that will work for me, is getting harder to do. I pieced my last bike together. Cheaper in the long run, but 100% more than a big bore kit and a full titanium exhaust...
  • 1 2
 That's very unusual. A crf250f usually needs a full motor rebuild twice a year when ridden regularly (could be $500-1k each time). When raced often, about every 2 races. If you rebuild them before they blow up that is. The 450's go a little longer without rebuilds, long as the valves are adjusted constantly.
  • 1 0
 Sorry, That's the DRZ400SM. Checked the valves 3 times, adjustments. I know the race bikes are more work. I did have it out for 4 track days (road course), wide open in 5th for about 30 seconds. No clutch yet. Maybe my bike is a bad example.. haha..
  • 1 0
 Since we are talking bikes, my nearly daily ridden SV650 had ~47k miles on it when it got totaled. My XR600r was converted to a supermoto, beat to crap and never needed a motor rebuild. And combining the price I paid for both those bikes comes out to a bit less than $6k. I had my SV for 3 years, and my XR for 2.
  • 1 0
 Let me be more specific. Modern motocross dirt bikes need the service I spoke of. I would compare a motocross dirt bike to this level of bicycle (technology and versatility per industry). Supermoto's and xr600's are not the most fair comparison.
  • 1 0
 Most supermotos are based off of motocross bikes nowadays. XR600's are rare to see converted, not so much for the 650r (no L, or XL), but alas I guess its how you ride and how often that will determine when it needs a motor.
  • 5 0
 Nowadays prices are really on the edge of ridiculousness, especially considering the quality of mid-level components. 15 years ago the difference between XTR and Deore was huge! Today, cmooon. It’s damn enough if you are not competing or riding like a pro. Don’t even want to talk about suspensions. Bottom line: buy what you can afford, you’ll enjoy it.

Anyway, my first bike was a GT. Someday I’ll be back, but not for that price, considering the alternatives.
  • 10 3
 For that Price you could buy two yt enduro Bikes which have better Spec,gt you made a mistake,i mean because of the Price but the Rest is good,exept the price
  • 1 0
 help me get one to the us pleaaaase
  • 1 0
 yt?
  • 1 0
 Youth talent
  • 1 1
 No dude, it's "Young Talent" Industries. Take it from an old f*ck . . .
  • 7 0
 5000 Bucks with an SLX Crank......damn GT you´re my Daily Hero!
  • 4 1
 And a Revelation - should be a Pike or Fox 34 at that price.
  • 8 1
 lol at the triple slx and revelation. go home gt, you're drunk.
  • 2 0
 Nothing wrong with the Revelation. They can cost just as much as the Pike and they have more travel and cartridge options.
  • 2 0
 this is supposed to be an enduro bike, so i think 32mm upper tubes are too skinny. people were bothered that the new sensors are coming with 32s (except the hans rey), so i think they'll be bothered here.
  • 1 2
 I don't think the average rider would notice a loss in stiffness from the 34 to 32mm stanchions honestly.
  • 1 0
 Doesn't matter if you notice or not. The performance difference is still here.
  • 2 0
 the more the rich kids spend on impressive bikes like these, the more the gear becomes more accessible to the people who cant afford them because the technology wouldn't filter down as fast so spend my little cherubs and in 5 years I can buy a bike with this spec for half the price!!
  • 6 2
 With those prices bike companies have become too arrogant and the need rehabilitation. It's an insult.
No reach mesurment here?
  • 2 0
 Might as well make hay while the sun shines. RIght now there is a market of older rider with money who can drop $$$$ on every trend out there and think five grand for an "enthusiast" bike is normal.

Young people are riding less and making less money. It's going to be a lot harder to move stuff like this in the future. The bike industry knows this. Rather than grow the sport or try to make things more accessible they would rather milk as much money as they can on top line stuff. In the mean time, let's come up with more trends like 650b to get old dudes who think they can ride to buy "enduro" stuff
  • 4 0
 relax guys,only $5000 in US,I tell u what, this piece of shit will be like $8000-$12000 in China
and yes,this sport is getting expensive like wtf
:P
  • 2 0
 Well GT wants to play with the big boys it seems.

This looks like a good bike, but it needs to be great because of the other choices a subtle in this price and riding catagory.

The Yeti SB 66C, The Santa Cruz Nomad C and the Ibis Mojo HD high set the bar very high.

For 5k, you should get a stronger/ bigger fork.
  • 3 1
 $5000 seems like a norm for top end bikes...not sure why that is shocking for everyone. Although i love watching people on expensive bikes get passed by the 10 year old department store special. But personally...for $5000 I would rather be riding something with a motor on it...like a KTM....brappppp brappp!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 " it could easily be the best handling trailbike that GT has ever made" pretty low bar then...

I'm pretty enthusiastic about my riding, and if I had $5000 to spend on a nice new bike I'd be more enthusiastic about buying something like a Nomad Carbon and pushing it out the shop with bundle of 'spare' cash in my pocket, or if I wanted to jump on the 27.1" bandwagon a Bronson.
  • 1 0
 I'm guessing this will ride better than both of them. Might well be wrong though.
  • 2 0
 To me you dont need that fancy of a bike to shred, sometimes you run into riders that are full out up to date with gear, best suspension and all and for some reason its in their heads that all of that will make them a better rider. I think regardless of what you ride its all about the ride and getting out there and having a good time. I have a DH rig myself and a 140 mm Chromag HT that i enjoy and have as much fun sometimes even more fun than my DH. Wherever yourtrail network is Enjoy!! Happy Riding!!
  • 2 0
 You all are forgetting the progression the industry has been making.....more carbon. All top shelf bikes used to be aluminum. Now its all carbon + exotics so it's obvious they companies will charge you more! Oh wait...all this carbon is made in China and Taiwan....there goes that theory!
  • 4 2
 If the fox ctd is supposed to be on the fly adjustable why did gt put the shock so far down that you pretty much have to stop and/or get off your bike to flip the switch? in my opinion not very smart on gt's part
  • 7 0
 You get this stick along with the bike when you buy it, so you can adjust it while riding!
imgur.com/gallery/KM3yGiJ
  • 1 0
 Prices are getting out of hand. I bought my first new bike this year in more than 20 years and it cost me over $2000. It's a never been ridden 2010 enduro. I guess a deal is in the eye of the beholder. Don't get me wrong though, if i had a disposable income I'd own a $5000+ bike
  • 2 0
 I got to ride a little with one if GTs enduro riders at the freeride festival at Trestle and it looked way better than it did in those pictures. Its one of those bikes you just have to see in person.
  • 3 2
 Leave carbon for the road... I've always liked the fact that a person could buy a decent mountain bike for around $1500 so $5000? You may as well go buy a dirt bike! I sincerely hope factories do not turn the sport into the road bike type of offerings where you are pretty much forced to save up a while or finance a "decent" bike.
  • 2 0
 It's becoming that way, they see how that industry works, and want a piece of the pie.
  • 2 0
 I believe you are right...I just hope the factories do not leave out the mid-range models in favor of pouring everything into their expensive carbon/high end bikes. I guess we'll see!!!
  • 1 0
 Dirt bikes may have cheap sticker prices, but they sure aren't cheap to RIDE. At least mountain bikes require little maintenance, tires and brakes are reasonably cheap to maintain, and you gain cardiovascular/overall health which saves you money and enriches your life in the long run. Smile
  • 1 0
 Common guys... If u look at the price in perspective 5K isn't that much if you are an avid mountainbiker with a decent job. And pinkbike absolutely right more u become an enthusiast more you are willing to spend on it, that is reality with any sport. On the other hand there is a huge used market in which 3-4K can land one a pretty sweet machinery, I'm still sticking with the used one but one day I'll order Nomad C straight from the website! Smile
  • 3 2
 I will NEVER buy a GT!! Back in the day i broke EVERY GT i ever owned. First with BMX then in the mid 90,s at least 6 LTS,s and the lame LOBO!! I kept riding them due to frame replacements from GT. Each time the frames were a little different, within the same year. I felt like they should have been paying me for R&D since I would usually tell them why ( I believed ) the frame broke. The frame they would send me, would have the problem area redesigned. OMG and those Thermoplastics Frown I have even been injured because or catastrophic failure! Even the "Triple Triangle Angle" is a adjustment in design for the failing "pierced top tube" (IMO) ....that worked well because I never broke the ZAZKAR!! They may a different company but i have such a bad taste in my mouth, i won,t ride one. $5000 for the enthusiast! Ha ha ha!!
  • 1 0
 Still waiting on a rider review detailing how this new force climbs.
Does it do well over techy, ledgy rocky climbs like prev force?
Does it req climb mode on shock for said climb and fireroad climbs?
Does it creak and croak like my 2011 gt force carbon, even a week after cleaning of pivots?!
What's it weigh? Highly doubting a gt rep to answer here..ever try emailing gt via website? Lol
  • 1 0
 One of the best looking bikes i've seen this year. I prefer the flat black/white/(blue/gold) paint schemes over this but it's still a great bike. I do have to echo the price issues. I feel like i'm being driven away from my LBS to online retailers to get a reasonable frame and components without having to sell my car.
  • 2 1
 I like the look. Looks grippy.

The bike industry has always been expensive. There have always been 5 and 10 thousand dollar bikes. The bleeding edge will always be pricey. (low production runs, subsidizing R&D, because demand is there etc/whatever) We have more options for good trickle down technology like the Shimano Zee line, or the X-fusion Vengeance R. Or bikes from MEC.
  • 1 0
 The new GTs have really grown on me looks wise, initially a bit harsh on them but they look unique in a good way, sound dialled from riders that have given me feedback and thats good for mtb where so many bikes are look a likes, good work GT.As for pricing said this years ago carbon will double the average bike frame cost and it will be passed on as exclusive or boutique regardless of where its made. Price meh only you can decide that, fork is wrong should have been a Pike at this level I hate it when they cut costs in those areas its an expensive upgrade, 32s are noodles in this range. SLX is good stuff though might not be as fancy although I think it looks great and one of my fav ESP the cranks, Lev, tick, wheels be only thing suspect for me! Otherwise I think GT could be onto a good bike here, winner for 2014 even the trainer wheels don't look out of place on the frame like most after thought 650b frames being dumped on the market. Well designed GT.
  • 2 0
 After spending many 12hr shifts working on a chemical plant, I'll be fucked if any Pink Bike little twat tells me what I can and can't spend my hard earned on. You don't have to be Ayrton Senna to buy a Ferrari.
  • 1 0
 This is simply bollocks, haha. I´ve nver been a fan of brands like yt or canyon selling over internet cause it screws the bike stores, but stuff like this makes me consider buying one. RIDICULOUS BUILD FOR THE PRICE, if for some strange reason GT manages to sell this bike reasonably, it will tell the brands that they can charge more and we will still buy it. And GT at least use a cool new range of colours like gold, cause men white n red makes it look common and cheaper even. RIDICULOUS
  • 1 0
 Go buy a Titus El Guapo frame. Light enough, great geometry, Horst link suspension, and optional Cane Creek Double Barrell Air. All for right around $1,000 USD. Can't find a similar quality bike anywhere near that price point.
  • 1 0
 $5000 is on mark and a bit on the low side compared to other companies. Look at the Ibis hdr $5000 is just over their starting point same as Santa Cruz Bronson. I think GT has done very well on their price point.
  • 7 3
 $5,000 and you get SLX and a Fox CTD? Hmmmm... doesn't seem right.
  • 2 2
 But you get carbon- have to make a build sacrifice somewhere. While $5,000 is expensive for sure, it is still a mid-level price for a bike.
  • 3 1
 Good point... and a Pike which is good. I guess I'm not used to seeing such a high price point on a GT. My Force used to be such a solid build with the price point that didn't really break the bank. And I was expecting at least a Float X on there... or a Monarch plus.
  • 4 0
 no pike
  • 2 1
 That triple ring set up is a few years out of date and I have never liked the GT suspension design - it just looks like a dirt trap to me. Anyone ride a GT? Is the suspension mechanism reliable and easy to maintain?
  • 4 0
 The new "low price" has come. Affordable as never before.
  • 3 0
 $5000 bike in the USA = £5000 bike in the uk. £5000 is nearly $8000. Stop moaning 'merca
  • 1 0
 And the American dollar is worth a lot less though right?
  • 2 2
 If you complain about a 5k bike what about those 9k downhill bikes??? Go to work guys and then this bike will be a bargain. What a dream bike from GT. In the past this bike could cost 10k and today 5k of a dream ride. And how are those frame lines and colors. Congrats GT!
  • 1 0
 It will likely be cheaper in the Far East, particularly if it's a direct import from Taiwan. If it's going to be flown from the US, then this will reach SUV proportions in price. Razz
  • 1 0
 00
  • 1 0
 5000$ = SLX + RS revelation + cheap stem (+wtb wheels??)
hum... it's a joke????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please i hope it's a joke... which idiot buy that!!!???
  • 1 0
 look if we all had flow we would be riding yeti an intense an turners. Anyway if you can afford this more than likely you dont ride it enough.
  • 3 1
 Gee should ride this in the champs!! I bet he would be faster than on the Fury.
  • 1 0
 Totally agree. It'd kick ass on the Fury there.
  • 4 0
 5000 dollars and SLX !!!
  • 2 1
 You know, as long have idiots to pay 5000$ in a bike will have happy manufactures to sell them....
I really think if you are not a pro you dont need carbon, so f*ck carbon Big Grin
  • 1 1
 Oh hey lets just add another pivot at the chain stays. Must be a great frame if it needs dramatic changes to the pivots and linkages constantly. What is it a walking beam single pivot? Hello Kona.
  • 2 0
 $5000 divided by 2 years = $208 per month. I say that's not bad. My wife says that's a car payment.
  • 1 0
 I still don't understand why GT thinks that it's a good idea to make the BB move. It's almost like welding your foot pegs to your swing arm on a dirt bike. It makes no sense.
  • 1 0
 In the case of this bike, it eliminates the need for an idler, or more pedal kick back than if BB was on main frame. If it's done right, it's finally worthwhile to have it. I'd rather an idler, but still. On a 150mm travel bike, I doubt the BB moves much.
  • 1 0
 Looks awesome. If it's GT strong even better. High pivot for the win. Not sure why the DH frame isn't the same design, it's brilliant. Should be called "RTS" though ;-)
  • 2 1
 Can't wait to ride it... when it hits the used market and is 5 years old Big Grin
  • 1 0
 I`m broke. But you manufacturer SUCK. 5000? 6000?
why not sell my house for buying 2 wheels.
  • 1 0
 Great looking bike but the price doesn't leave much for my beer fund which is a serious issue...
  • 4 3
 I could by my bike like 4-5 times for the price of this and I'd rather have mine
  • 2 3
 150mm of mediocre airtravel, crap&squeaky idrive, 67 headangle and obese looks. Now this thing is going to fly of the shelves...congrats GT...

www.codajoy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/fatguyinspandex-1-01.jpg
  • 1 0
 hilarious mate
  • 4 6
 were the f*ck is the whole: "this sport is getting more expensive everyday" crap coming from? cause lets go back five years. were top off the line bikes less than 5000? NO! bikes with stupidly shitty components were set at the 3000 bucks range, and this were aluminum bikes. technology for both frames and components has only gotten better and cheaper. but somehow people seems to just whine about how expensive and crappy things are.
  • 3 0
 That's not even slightly true. You can get a pretty decent bike for way under 3000 and have been able to for years. My DH bike (a Brodie from Canada) cost less than that. It's not whining, it's reality. Not everyone can justify 1/3 of a year's salary (minimum wage salary in UK) on a bike. Commitment to a sport is not indicative of wallet size.
  • 1 0
 It is expencive, but damn it looks good. And there is nothing wrong with SLX.
  • 2 1
 This sport is as expensive as you want it to be. Depends on what your priorities are.
  • 1 0
 Dude chess is cheaper though, or soccer. How much is decent first priced bike?
more than most peoples salary in a month or ten so, it´s not cheap, pluss gear, repairs...
  • 2 0
 5000$ and I get shimano slx components?! Kidding me?!
  • 2 0
 get a bloody hardtail off ebay to keep it real!!
  • 2 1
 I mean... 5k$... built with XT and Slx... come on!
  • 1 0
 Not as bad as the $20,000 titanium fat bike in my lbs
  • 1 0
 That is way over priced yo get crap components
  • 1 0
 i will trade u a xbox and 20 games Wink
  • 2 2
 I would much rather buy a ligit motorcycle than a $5200 slx GT, what a waste whoever buys this
  • 1 0
 Since when is 5 grand affordable? I think i should get back to work lol
  • 1 0
 Buying usex is where its at.
  • 2 1
 They must suck if they sell them at sport check
  • 1 0
 5000 for slx come on .....
  • 1 0
 What is a triple chainring crank?
  • 1 0
 What happened to the days when you could buy a Kona Stinky for £1600?
  • 1 0
 That's one fugly GT! Say it's not and you a lie fool!
  • 2 1
 UGLEE!!!!
  • 5 5
 Is it just me or that paintjob made it fat?
  • 4 0
 same as make-up on chicks.. lol
  • 1 2
 Yea. I wonder if someone tattoed a thin belly on a fat one? Being a tattoo artist and being able to pull out such optical illusion would make you rich beyond belief...
  • 1 1
 I'm amazed places like LA Weightloss make so much, do people not understand to get skinny you simply eat less and more high quality food coupled with more exercise? but no the paintjob didn't make it fat, the huge tubes made it fat
  • 6 2
 Mnah. It's like with my parents, uber reasonable people, perfectionists now having health problems due to lack of movement. I'm pounding it to their heads, that at the edge of getting 60 they MUST start exercising for the sake of their bodies and brains as well. That involves basic mobility exercises as well as cardio. Daily. Medication is not gonna help, it will just postpone the real sht happening by 5-10 years. Then they are ging to be in sht so deep, that they won't be able to move in a way even close, to what they could be by doing little everyday. But there is no talking to them, even after my dad broke his arm by falling from the chair to the grass. And so do people do with bad eating habits, they look for all sorts of magic solutions provided by someone else, but not the simpliest one, available at hook, right where they are. People do believe that money can buy everything, the most reasonable people can get seducced by a loonie, and then they have a fkng nerve to look for stuff like religion to call it mambo jumbo. You're a deluded fk, it's just that instead of Koran you read fkng Cosmopolitan. Instead of going to confession and wanking same night, you attend a spinning class, then go for two burgers! One of my FB friends is on fat diet supplements and at the same time shares memes laughing at homeopathy...
  • 6 6
 religion is mambo jambo.. only weak minds fall for it.. Sheep
  • 1 0
 Nice front disc!
  • 1 1
 and GT still havent done any special atherton edition bikes/frames.
  • 1 2
 IS IT WRONG TO BE STRONG?
  • 2 0
 ummmm what are you on about?
  • 1 0
 nothing, was just watching jackass atm
  • 4 6
 But it looks fugly. End of. Next!
  • 1 0
 agree
  • 1 2
 Screw your 650b







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