Random Products Part Two - Outdoor Demo 2011

Sep 13, 2011 at 3:09
by Richard Cunningham  
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Picture taken by Jon at Diamond Back Bikes
In the past seven years we're hardly seen any clouds in Vegas let alone a full on rain storm. This little bit of action was captured by the guys at Diamond Back bikes as they set up for day two at the Outdoor Demo. Diamond Back Bikes.

Day two outdoor demo pics.
One of the first booths you came to at the Outdoor Demo is the Yeti booth and it was so busy with folks clawing to get at an SB-66 that they brought in their own bouncer. Not gonna mess with this one! Yeti Cycles

Carbon OH2 Wrist Brace
Allsport Dynamics redesigned its wrist brace to be flush over the top of the joint. The carbon fiber brace is adjustable for range-of-motion from 5 degrees to nearly 90 degrees of upward bend. The brace prevents over extension and damage to the wrist without robbing lateral movement required for quick steering. We tried it on and it felt quite comfortable. The OH2 brace also can be ordered sewn onto your choice of glove via a special pad (shown) to eliminate the neoprene palm attachment of the standard model (and keep glove sponsors happy). $400 per wrist. Allsport Dynamics.

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Building on the success of their proprietary Canadian carbon manufacturing program, Race Face has made some impressive expansions to the SIXC line of cranks for 2012. The addition of an 83mm spindle, 165mm length and removable granny spider make the 2012 SIXC a formidable DH race option coming in at a scant 650g (165mm, 83mm, 36T ring, including Turbine BB). This is a full 100g lighter than any other full carbon DH crank that we know of. Race Face

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Marzocchi's 888 showcases the Italian suspension maker's return to the forefront of gravity riding.

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Marzocchi's 888 fork with its super smooth nickle plated stanchion tubes, has been redesigned with a new damping system called RC3 V-2, which provides more stability in the mid-stroke damping. Also new is a provision for four-bolt direct-mount stems on the upper crown. Weight: 2900 grams. Travel: 200 millimeters. Price: $1649 usd. Marzocchi

Day two outdoor demo pics.
This made me laugh and that is a good thing. Keeping track of so many demo bikes is tough for al the companies, but Giant had it on lock with their names this year and it was good to see that Chuck Norris even made an appearance. Giant

TroyLeeDesign goggle
Oakley collaborated with Troy Lee Designs on a series of custom goggles. The graphic treatment includes a tactile emblem on the side of the strap that everyone had to touch. This is the Piston series goggle, which should go quite well with a TLD helmet, Ya think? Oakley

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SRAM finally gives the nod to chain-guides for 2-by drivetrains, with the X-Guide. We are happy.

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SRAM launched its X guide that is specifically designed to work with 2 by 10 cranksets. SRAM collaborated with MRP, and the exclusive element in the design is a quiet-running pair of derailleur pulleys that catch the chain as it moves from sprocket to sprocket. The lower arch is a sturdy plastic bash guard. X-guide models are offered to fit ISCG-03 and -05 bolt patterns and thread-on bottom bracket cups. Price: $150 usd. SRAM

X5 ensemble
SRAM brought its ten speed drivetrain all the way down to X5. What this means is that SRAM 2 x 10 and 3 x 10 drivetrains will be appearing on 1000-dollar mountain bikes. A short ride on X5 revealed that the parts shift well and ride smoothly (as expected). The Cassette has all steel cogs with an aluminum spider. The Crankset uses aluminum outer chainrings and a steel granny sprocket. The best news is that SRAM offers EVERY one of its gearing combinations on the crankset, so entry-level bike designers can spec X5 on everything from XC 29ers to all-mountain shredders. SRAM

Day two outdoor demo pics.
18 months in the mountain bike world, but making packs since the early 1970's, Osprey have come in swinging with highly technical riding packs for everyone. Some of the lightest packs we've ever tried, the Osprey designs bring year of back country knowledge into our two wheeled world. Osprey Packs

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WTB's Stryker all-mountain wheelset uses a wider 23-millimeter (ID) rim. which gives more volume to the tire and reduces the possibility of tubeless tires burping air. The wheelset comes with WTB's TCS tubeless system, pre-taped and with valve stems in place for 1000 bucks a set. Weight is 1725 grams depending upon quick release of through-axle options. WTB

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Gobandit's POV camera has a top-mounted on-off slider switch to make it easy for ham-fisted riders to record fuss-free.

HD GPS camera mounts
Gobandit is new on the scene with a GPS-enabled POV video camera. The GPS HD camera is sealed well enough to submerge safely, although it is not capable of diving. The rear of the camera has a LCD display with mode, speed and memory readouts. The switch is a simple on-off on the top and its lens can rotate to establish horizon, although there is only a visual indicator on the lens. The GPS gives you a number of speed, altitude and distance readouts and download options feature a creative variety of video editing and information displays. Run-time is said to be 2 to 3 hours. Gobandit is revising its mounting systems to be more bicycle-specific. Presently, the mounting apparatus seems a bit automotive, but still quite functional. Price: about $340 usd. Gobandit

Day two outdoor demo pics.
One Ghost Industries is headed up by long time Pinkbike user oneghost.pinkbike.com and they are taking things into their own hands for how they want their bikes to look and be unique. The 203.8mm travel Musashi is David's own DH racer and it's looking promissing. One Ghost Bikes

EXC 400 rim
DT Swiss is on track to the future with its EXC 400 rim. The inside diameter of the carbon fiber rim is a full 28 millimeters wide. Presently, it is featured on the EXC 1550 wheelset, or available separately in a 32-hole configuration. Why get excited about a wide carbon rim? Well, rims weigh far less than tires, so a wide rim adds volume and stability and it allows the use of the next smaller size, with equal volume - so the wheel as a unit is lighter, faster and more stable in the turns. The rim is 400 grams and the wheelset is 1550 grams. Light for all-mountain, well, light for cross country too. Wide rims are the future. You heard it on Pinkbike. DT Swiss

Day two outdoor demo pics.
This stealthy looking trail bike is the Element 70MSL from Rocky Mountain Bikes. Its 120-millimeter-travel chassis looks to tear up the single track from Boulder City to the North Shore mountains that it was bread in. Rocky Mountain

Geoff 'Gully' Gulevich for 2.5 Minutes at the Outdoor Demo:

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  • 65 1
 more interviews with gully! that guy is hilarious!
  • 15 0
 "I really appreciate your guys work" hahaha gully is the man
  • 4 1
 Gully has a future in commentary for sure!
  • 3 2
 I think Wyn Masters would have taken the cake
  • 7 1
 I have never understand how New Zealand is so close to Aussie, yet Aussie chicks are so much hotter than ours -.-
  • 12 3
 arnt all New Zealanders part sheep ? thats gotta make a difference.
  • 1 0
 Yeah man, their sex noises are a bit strange....
  • 1 0
 David; You have clearly never been to Australia.

We have plenty of mingas mate, don't worry about that
  • 1 0
 "well, the last time i saw your mom...." hahahah
  • 1 0
 @BlipDH

You're 16, my mom would own you
  • 2 0
 dude i wasnt even talking to you haha...i was just quoting the vid
  • 20 1
 omg those TLD x Oakleys are like.. goggle porn. i tested the gobandit-> cheap version of the go pro. Ghost One is interesting....
  • 1 0
 ghost one stuff is pretty great. they look pretty dope in person
  • 1 0
 and in pics
  • 7 0
 The upper crown of the marzo 888 is pretty nice and 100g lighter is great, 2900g! Lightest spring fork of the market and getting closer to the boxxer WC Smile
  • 1 0
 It's not the lightest coil fork on the market, the boxxer RC is by ~120g

Not saying the performance is the same, but marzo's claim is bogus...
  • 1 0
 Has anyone weighed the forks yet, or are we going on claimed weight? Perhaps it's a typo on the claimed weight. It would seem silly for Marzocchi to knowingly lie about being the lightest.
  • 1 0
 It's not the first time Marzo have done it, they can be very "creative" with their weights...
  • 4 0
 "it's the lightest fork on the market on a windy day at least 200 feet above sea level"
  • 1 0
 They've been known to not include the steerertube and the oil in their weights before. And Marz's are open bath, a lot of oil!
  • 1 0
 You guys are right, the new press agency in Europe made a mistake by making that claim as the 888 being the "lightest" coil fork on the market. Its definitely one of the lightest "real" open bath forks out there with over 500cc's of oil between both legs. We will correct that claim for sure. Marzocchi.
  • 3 0
 wider rims are the future, yes, but 28mm on this DT is not wide enough to make a sound. I would love to get like 35mm max 550g rims to put 2,4" Rocket Rons on them. Right now 2,4" light weight schwalbies or conties are a bit useless, as the only lightweight rim you can put them on without rolling them off of it, is the ZTR Flow. And I hate rims with no eyelets...
  • 2 0
 NS Trailmasters. 35mm width, 550g! I've been running them in the alps and up Ft William for a full 18 months and I have just 2 of the tiniest dings on the back, nothing more! Every other rim I've used I've managed to destroy within a season. Super easy to build with the 8mm offset and they stay true for months! In fact, all I've had to do is tension the spokes every once in a while, they still run straight. Fitted with folding 2.3 Maxxis High rollers, never once have they rolled off and they definitely come up like a 2.5, even when compared with other manufacturers with larger volume casings (such as Schwalbe).
  • 1 0
 no eyelets either mhmhmhmm... but I guess that with 550g of material they will hold way better than Flows, I mean if you had them in Alps then they will hold under me on my home trails. What do you think about converting them to tubeless, are they tight?

35mm sounds really good, it was a very disturbing sight for me at my friends workshop, so many bikes left for service with really fat tyres with 21mm or narrower rims. I have 28mm wide XTs and 2.25 NNic's which already feels a bit unstable. Tried the same NNs on my wives mavic XC717s - it was hellish, and I'm not a guy that can put some proper power down in the corners. I saw a bike that had the same rims with 2.4" even thinner RRons! fk...
  • 1 0
 The un-eyelitted design go me a bit worried at first too but I decided on alu nipples to compensate - I figured they'd strip before the rim pulled out and it'd be a lot cheaper to replace nipples than an entire rim. Well so far I've had no troubles whatsoever so thats a bonus!
  • 6 0
 Hahahaha

The moves that last chick in the video is doing Razz
  • 12 0
 Gives a whole new definition to "Felt Bikes"
  • 1 0
 wasn't going to watch the video.. then read that comment now i have to see for myself. haha
  • 3 0
 Like the look of that One Ghost Musashi. Great name, too: I'm reading the book by Eiji Yoshikawa at the moment. They should do a freeride variant called Takezo.
  • 2 0
 Ninja geek!
  • 1 0
 Technically he was a ronin and eventually a samurai - not a ninja. (Yes, I appreciate that doesn't exactly help my cause with the geek part!)
  • 1 0
 I shouldn't talk. I've read Musashi's Book of Five Rings and Yamamoto's Way of the Samurai
  • 1 0
 im not sure about those wrist protectors! they seem like they might stop your wrist from breaking but surely makes it easier for your arm to? also you can buy them a lot lot cheaper than $400 each! look for snowboarding versions!
  • 4 0
 Gobandit's POV camera. What a rip-off of Contour
  • 2 2
 I'd rant about how ignorant that comment about wider rims and narrower tires being the future is, as a wider rim changes the tire's profile and the shape of its contact patch which compromises its performance, but seeing how that comment comes from someone who used terms such as inner diameter to incorrectly report the inside width...

I wouldn't even bother pitying those who do buy up that opinion and argue in favor of it. Sounds like an idea a weight weenie who looks to pro DHers and their setups to tune their lighter everyday trail machines would come up with. Do some more research before making such statements please. It wouldn't hurt to have more in-depth knowledge of the primary contact point to the ground is and spend more money in improving your ride here, rather than spending so much of it on blingy wider & lighter handlebars, pedals, stems, seatposts, and minor anodized bits which have a much smaller impact on your ride in comparison. Meh, I ended up ranting anyways.
  • 3 1
 Sorry but what an incredibly arrogant comment. You are clearly not familiar with high-volume casings.
  • 2 3
 I'm arrogant because I'm confident I have the knowledge to back it up.

Are you trolling or are you agreeing with this author idea that pairing a lightweight wide rim with a narrower tire, with a focus on weight savings, is a good idea?

If you're simply trying to argue how a wide rim increases a tire's volume, compared to a narrower rim, you must not be aware of the compromises [and how those compromises are made even worse with such a combo]. There's 35mm width rims on the market--trying 2.2 tires on them make the tire profile look more akin to a car's tire with a flat tread profile and vertical sidewalls. It requires a lot more pressure to prevent pinch flats and it provides almost no control going over gravel, thick mud, deep sand, etc, even though that tire may perform as well as other tires in those types of terrain on narrower rims.

Did you miss that I noted that the width was incorrectly reported? The sticker on the side of the rim clearly displays that the rim has an inner width of 21mm. ISO/ETRTO = (bead seat diameter) x (inner width). The reported 28mm may mean outer width, but the DT site says 29.4mm (www.dtswiss.com/Products/Components/Rims/EX-rims/EXC-400.aspx). The specs on that sticker are the important ones.

The author seems to have gotten excited over a misunderstanding and his lack of technical expertise on this subject. Wide rims are not new and combining narrow tires with a wide rim has been tried and if it were discovered to be such a magic combination, word should've spread by now. On top of all that, the DT site's images of the rim's profile shows that it has a sloped bead seat, which isn't tubeless friendly. Enve AM rims are 28mm wide (23mm inner), 405g, and have a solid track record (including use on the pro WC DH race circuit).
  • 3 0
 I'm not trolling, I'm merely pointing out that newer tyres which manufacturers label as 'high volume casing' have a rounder profile than your traditional offerings anyway, so the wide rim/skinny tyre combo isn't as much of a compromise as you are trying to make out. I have tried LOTS of combinations, and I do mean lots, and I am pretty settled on my 35mm rim/2.35 Maxxis combo over previous 25-28mm/2.5 combinations I've had. Yes I did it for a weight saving, yes that weight saving has made a difference to both how quickly the bike accelerates and the cornering - but to be honest I actually prefer the squarer profile with tyres like the original High Rollers as they would otherwise require very aggressive cornering for the side lugs to bite. Sure, they're more controllable whilst sliding when paired with a thinner rim, but to be honest I prefer having enough grip to corner hard without breaking too much traction in the first place.

As for misleading details in the article - I really couldn't care less.

I also think its worth noting that the majority of trails I ride are nothing like your stated poor conditions for a square profile setup.
  • 1 0
 the dt rim inner width looks to be 21mm - as printed on the sticker. i assume the outside with is 28mm. still, would love a pair at that weight. hoping carbon rim prices will start to come down...
  • 2 0
 The rocky MSL is a simply the best bike ive ever ever ride. i rode it like a dh bike in bromont (#7 an #9). SIck!
  • 1 0
 i to have never had an issue with oakley warranty..they have gone above and beyond customer service in the uk... but not as good as hope.....!
  • 1 0
 liking the throwback 888 decals. looks much cleaner and like they are finally taking it serious again. resembles the RC2X decals (their last great fork IMO).
  • 1 0
 Thanks
  • 3 0
 The Yeti looks more like the Grinch
  • 1 0
 I hope that guy under that mascot gets paid well.
Hes in the dessert for god's sake.
An sb66 is a good enough compensation Big Grin
  • 2 1
 if you thought that was obnoxious then you should probably take up road riding, or even knitting!
  • 2 0
 about time with the wide & light rims!
  • 1 0
 why is that image of the 888 mirrored?
like the fork though, and the goggles look nice, would love to see them on a helmet.
  • 1 0
 coz left slants where so yesterday
  • 1 0
 the new 888s finally back in Italy, this is looking very promising for marzocchi this next year!!!
  • 1 0
 i thought they are still being made in Taiwan
  • 1 0
 "Marzocchi's 888 showcases the Italian suspension maker's return to the forefront of gravity riding."

maybe i misinterpreted it?
  • 1 0
 All the Marzocchi products are made in Taiwan under newer strict quality control measures with the Italian engineers. The production line is 100% controlled and dedicated by Marzocchi Italy. Its been this way for a couple of years now with great results. With the global markets melting down and suppliers going out of business left and right (specifically Italy) its impossible to make products in Italy. To compound things, the appreciation of the Euro against all major currencies would force the price of Italian made goods 50% higher.
  • 2 0
 That X-Guide looks like the perfect match for my x0 2x10 drivetrain!
  • 1 0
 What's the point is the double chain rings?
  • 6 0
 What's the English is your sentence?
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one who had the jaw dropped by that Yeti? This carbon version looks smoooooooth.
  • 2 0
 Funny funny guy. (the video)
  • 1 0
 can we hang out??? HAHAHAHA SWEET
  • 1 0
 That cut-away top crown is the sex! I've wondered why companies haven't been doing that for years!
  • 1 0
 WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 haha that video is awsome
  • 1 0
 yaya one ghost! great dh bikes amazing in person.
  • 1 0
 HELL YEA for Marzocchi's 888 direct mount !!!! Its about time!!!!
  • 1 0
 Mmm I need a Aussie girl like that love the ending.
  • 1 0
 I liek the X-guide and sb66 hehehe
  • 1 0
 Finally 888 riders will have more than a handful of DM stem options.
  • 2 1
 888... forefront.... Still using pinch bolts ....
  • 1 0
 lol wut? what else should they be using?? super glue?
  • 1 0
 hahaha the 40 still uses pinch bolts ... so obviously there isnt an issue with them
  • 1 1
 as does the boxxer and any other triple clamp that has ever been made
  • 1 1
 false... the boxer does not, they use maxle lite. and quite honestly, fox should be using the QR version that is on my 36VanRC2!!! It's the best idea ever. I'm sure it adds weight though... blah blah blah.
  • 2 0
 Pinch bolts are the most effective way to lock down the axle between both drop outs. We are working on some new QR systems but haven't found a system that offers the performance we need, but we are working on it for sure. What makes a suspension product great is its ability to offer superior bump absorption, durability, and adjustability all brought together with superior quality. That's our main focus.
  • 1 0
 @collin7. does the boxxer not use pinch bolts on the triple clamps?? also the maxle is probably the worst system there is for a fork and or frame. a QR system on a DH fork is not needed IMO
  • 1 0
 Nope, not on my boxxer. i mean, it does use pinch bolts for the crowns, but that's obviously the best solution. it's the maxle light system which you say is terrible... but i'm a huge fan. Haven't had any issues what so ever and it's quick to remove and easy to install. That's just my personal experience.

The reason I'm a fan of the QR for a DH bike is simply for doing work on the trail (flats). Like I said, I love Fox's system on my 36 but I do realize it's heavier than the pinch bolt style. Just my opinion though.
  • 1 0
 the 888 Evo RC3 v2 also adds a shimmed rebound valve
  • 1 0
 I've always had Thor's, but those TLD/Oakleys looks sick as f*ck.....
  • 3 3
 That interviewer is super awkward... lol
  • 4 3
 I agree. Less than great representation for PB.
  • 8 0
 You guys must be having a laugh Gully was brilliant! He comes across as a top man and you have to respect a guy who rides the way he does plus he represents PB just fine
  • 1 0
 chuck norris ftw
  • 2 0
 Anyone else notice the spelling? Posted from an iPhone? LOL

Love the constant updates from you guys!
  • 1 0
 I like the chick
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