Seen at Sea Otter 2013 - Zerode G2 Gearbox Bike

Apr 22, 2013 at 22:17
by Richard Cunningham  
I came across a beautifully decked out Zerode G2 at the Otter. Zerode took 300 grams off the original G1, reduced the G2's travel from 9.25 to 8.3 inches and relaxed its head angle to 63.4 degrees. A lot of chassis improvements have also been made. Most visible is the new rectangular down tube, but the rockers have been beefed up, the tire clearance has been improved and there is a better bash guard to protect the chainring. Zerode G2 frames are available in small, medium or large sizes, and in a number of anodized colors for $3500 USD. A number of graphics options allow customers to further customize their G2s.

Zerode G2 side shot

Zerode's G2 cuts a stunning profile. A number of anodized colors are available with contrasting graphics kits.



Zerode gearboxes are modified Shimano Alfine planetary hub transmissions. The crankset drives the hub transmission, which then in turn, drives a single sprocket at the rear wheel. The G2's high-pivot swingarm would normally create massive amounts of chain growth, but the frame's jack-shaft arrangement allows Zerode to use the placement of the gearbox hub to all but eliminate it. There is a chain tensioner near the rear sprocket that handles the small amount of slack created by the suspension. Another benefit of the gearbox is that the chain-line remains straight as an arrow - which takes stress off of the drivetrain and prevents mid-course derailments.

Zerode G2 frame details

The location of the Shimano Alfine gearbox redirects chain tension where it won't interfere with the Zerode G2's suspension action. A look at the new rectangular down tube that tucks nicely beneath the hydro-formed top tube structure.



The big-bump and square-edge impact advantage of the G2's high-pivot swingarm design is almost impossible to duplicate with a conventional rear suspension. The wheel-path and strike-angle of a high-pivot swingarm requires an anti-chain-growth strategy - one that the G2 shares with a handful of DH designs that are based upon the Balfa BB7.

Zerode G2 Alfine gearbox

Two views of the G2's gearbox placement, showing the chain tension device for the primary drive.



Zerode offers two shifting systems: the stock Shimano Alfine system and a modified SRAM shifter. Both are included with a frame purchase so the customer can choose which works best. Zerode recommends the 2012/13 Fox DHX or Cane Creek Double Barrel shocks for the G2, saying that the G2's very linear suspension curve does not seem to work well with Fox's new 2014 DHX RC4 damper. All things considered, the Zerode looks to be a frontrunner for DH riders who don't want to wait for the first big-name bike brand to enter a 12-step program and end its addiction to the rear derailleur.

Visit Zerode USA to see more of the G2


250 Comments

  • 99 4
 "Zerode looks to be a frontrunner for DH riders who don't want to wait for the first big-name bike brand to enter a 12-step program and end its addiction to the rear derailleur". Heard that! Looks sick and would give my left nut to test her out!
  • 95 91
 You'd probably want your left nut back when that drivetrain comes down with a mechanical and it is a 2-3 week turn around time to send it to manufac for warranty repair since no one else will touch it.
  • 57 409
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 22, 2013 at 23:07) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a Trek Session
  • 103 0
 Theres always one
  • 61 10
 Fr3er1d3r, you are such a troll.
  • 33 60
flag iamonfire (Apr 22, 2013 at 23:59) (Below Threshold)
 why there's so many idiots on pinkbike??? Ampa said the truth! If something will happen with this frame or planetary hub - u'll wait months for spare times. Firstly - i don't think u're good in planetary hubs and mechanics too, second - if u're good but do anything by your own - sorry champ, our warranity "blah-blah-blah" we won't give u new frame.
  • 53 4
 @fr3er1d3r - You get down voted every single time you try. Take a god damn hint.
  • 34 143
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 23, 2013 at 0:05) (Below Threshold)
 haha what? I lost you halfway through, learn to grammar

also, it obviously doesn't look like a Trek Session.

It actually doesn't look like anything I've seen before. Curious how much it weighs. I'm gonna guess 40lbs, because besides the gearbox stuff, which I know almost nothing about but that it's known to be heavy, the rest looks pretty light.
  • 52 8
 mechanics are simpler to work on than hydraulics.... i would open a gearbox before any suspension
  • 13 0
 @ampa and iamonfire. there are mechanics that service those hubs, ive got one next door and he cant really do anything else.. Just might have to find someone who isn't focused on mountainbikes. The other thing is that those hubs usually handle quite alot of miles... alot more youre ever going to pedal on a dh bike... not like its gonna take any abuse other than crap flying from the rearwheel anyway. And in the end if it does blow up, you can just by a new one since its not that expensive (if youre buying a 3500 usd frame, it shouldnt be a problem buying a 300 usd hub somewhere in the future).
  • 52 5
 Full stops at the ends of sentences and captial letters at the start please if you're going to comment on grammar. Also, you can't learn to grammar, grammar isn't a verb. You can learn to punctuate though. Your 'Curious how much it weighs' doesn't have a subject and 'gonna' is spelt 'going to'. Thanks Freerider.
  • 113 5
 Fr3er1d3r: Did you actually just type "learn to grammar"? Wow...
  • 13 0
 The Drivetrain on these things is pretty much bullet proof from what I've seen and heard from people who ride them. Initialy there was problems with the standard shifters not handling DH abuse but the modified SRAM handles that and I've seen them with sub 36lb build.
  • 13 0
 Not having ridden one around anything more then a carpark, but since the hub is is the middle of the frame, the weight is really well balanced in the middle of the bike.

Alfine hubs do weigh a bit, more so then a derailleur and cassette, but you're talking a few hundred grams...

Also you get a totally silent (depending on your hub choice of course) ride, they only noise it makes is the tires on the track and noise from your shocks, they are SO cool.
  • 36 104
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 23, 2013 at 0:34) (Below Threshold)
 I did. I guess you guys don't get it...that's ok

learn to humor Wink hahaha
  • 12 0
 I brought a G2 Frame last week after testing a G1 in Queenstown, amazing bike, gearbox works great, suspension design soaks up the big hits. and its so quiet, no chain slap.
  • 69 4
 learn to shut up
  • 35 13
 You spelled humour wrong as well
  • 8 0
 From what I am told the gearbox weighs approximately the same as the parts it replaces.
  • 8 0
 From what I know of the previous version, the Alfine hub system is pretty much bulletproof. $3500 is alot but when you consider the entire driveline is included and nearly nothing can go wrong, it's a pretty kick ass deal. It's certainly easy on the eyes too.
  • 14 6
 freerider you made me laugh so it is ok
  • 5 26
flag WhatToBuy (Apr 23, 2013 at 6:22) (Below Threshold)
 @TheGoose...actually he didn't spell humor wrong...The one thing he did do right. Wink
  • 21 0
 hahaha, "learn to grammar" !!! made my day
  • 8 0
 Since when is GT not a major brand? They had a gear box bike with suspension adjustable between 6 and 9 inches. It only had 8 gears and the top of the line alfine has 11 but, it doesn't cost $300 more like $800 or so. For that price you could get a used Rohloff. Can we get a write up comparing gear box bikes?
  • 2 1
 I can't find any info on whether it has the Alfine 8 or 11 fitted (the shell is shaped like an 8 but it has a bleed valve like an 11....) but the A8 is bombproof.
  • 18 1
 It is an alfine 8. I raced a Zerode G1 for the 2012 season, and had zero issues with the hub or the bike itself. The bike got me a Pro overall win for the Gravity East Series, and many podiums. Its fast, and the alfine was maintenance free for me. Another great thing about the suspension is, I only had to replace 1 rear rim, instead of 5 in a season due to the amazing square edge performance of the Zerode. It is great on all the harsh hits and eliminates most of the rim dents I get from a conventional rear suspension design, giving me more time to ride, and less time building wheels.
  • 11 2
 K, @ fr3er1d3r, we get the sarcasm, it's just the the "looks like a session" thing is old as f*ck, that started way back when the aurum came out, everyone was saying then people just took the comment and made it into sarcasm, was funny for awhile, but no longer, so stop it, you're not clever, you're not being funny, you're being annoying.
  • 1 2
 what the heck forks are thoughs?
  • 3 0
 Dorado Pro
  • 10 19
flag joe701 (Apr 23, 2013 at 8:49) (Below Threshold)
 Freerider dude is smarter than all of you and laughing at all of you. Learn to see the signs idiots.
  • 21 2
 he's a troll, we know... lol we're playing along with it, thus trolling him and he thinks he's trolling us.... trollception.. lol
  • 1 5
flag iamonfire (Apr 23, 2013 at 9:53) (Below Threshold)
 toaster29, ha-ha wish ull cry when their TUNED hub will crack or something will happen to it. Or anything with suspension. Spare parts are very major when u buy frame for 3.5k USD Wink
  • 4 2
 Freerider feeds on down vote. I would leave any look like trek session post at +1.
  • 5 0
 @Freerider, why are these people so uptight? You made me laugh. I totally get your humour... or wait, humor. I gotta learn to grammar...lol
  • 14 31
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 23, 2013 at 10:48) (Below Threshold)
 I only spelled humor wrong in the same way that I spell color wrong.

depending on where you're from, it might be colour or humour.

Wherever you're from, you should learn to english, because everyone speaks it and it's da best language hence America is #1
  • 11 6
 Ahahaha, "learn to english", "learn to grammar" and "learn to humor". Please try again fr3er1d3r.
  • 13 2
 It's not his fault that Americans spell things wrong. America and Britain, two countries divided by a common language. ;-)
  • 8 7
 HAAAAAAAAAAA stop with those fucking troll things.... troll is just a fancy word for idiot.... it gives them sense of appartenance.... also americans speaks the worst english in the world..... dumbing down america....
  • 5 18
flag fr3er1d3r (Apr 23, 2013 at 12:45) (Below Threshold)
 What you guys need is some SWAG
  • 15 0
 Don't you mean I need to 'learn to SWAG' ?
  • 7 17
flag mfbeast12 (Apr 23, 2013 at 13:38) (Below Threshold)
 Freerider (not even spelling your goddamn name, just seeing it makes everyone know you're a troll before they even see what you said):

SHUT YOUR MOTHERF*CKING MOUTH. NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY.
  • 18 14
 I do
  • 10 1
 MFB...your showing your age...chillax
  • 1 24
flag evan1gill (Apr 23, 2013 at 14:56) (Below Threshold)
 Zerodes are extremely stupid looking
  • 2 0
 rear derailleur, get it outta here u pice of SWink t. Hum... I like the pinion that's out but this rear end of the bike looks very wide.
  • 9 4
 @fr3er1d3r when you're already looking like a dumbass don't bring up America and make us all look bad.
  • 8 1
 I apologize on America's behalf for @Freerider
  • 5 1
 Yeah lets try to organise a Pinkbike comparo on gearbox and obscure DH rigs against Big name current bikes. I for one can put up my V10 Carbon and Lahar M9 full carbon Gearbox (same bike that won the 06 world junior title under Cam Cole) to a good independent test rider to evaluate. I have a mate with a Brooklyn Machine Works that would be keen as well.
A Zerode will be no probs to get hold of here in NZ.
Ha - lets get Protour to come over and have a ride on all of the different bikes and have his post ride post! that would be interesting.
This would make a great article for Pinkbike to do.
  • 7 5
 @Freerider you silly Americans love taking the 'U' out of words don't you. It's spelled humour and colour is also spelled with a 'U'. Not humor or color.

Sorry America Wink
  • 1 0
 learn to grammar... wow !!
  • 6 2
 Don't blame Freerider for America being full of retards
  • 8 0
 From the bottom of my Canadian heart, I would like to apologize on behalf of all Canadians for the mistake of Justin Bieber.... Just saying
  • 1 5
flag Lilshredman (Apr 24, 2013 at 20:30) (Below Threshold)
 It doesn't look like a Trek Session!
  • 1 2
 Shimano & SRAM are like GM & Chrysler, Micro$hit & Apple, they will do anything to see that consumers continue to consume consume consume. Continuously producing obsolete, impractical, inefficient, poorly performing, unreliable shit that always needs replacing. I'd be stoked on this thing if it wasn't A) a high pivot needing 2 chains, B) a pivot separate from the hub thus requiring a tensioner, which defeats one of the most important advantages of internal gearing & C) if it wasn't based around some shit Shimano hub designed for another purpose.
  • 2 0
 The bike was designed around a rearward pivot ie Brooklyn, Balfa, Canfield the gearbox was a perk. The suspension designs eats rough terrain better than any other I have ridden and I have owned 17 DH bikes since about 1999. The Alfine proved much more reliable than Rolf and a few also also did I mention the cost of it is about 1/3 and can be serviced in most countries if needed!
  • 1 0
 Freeride-Forever I was with you up until your ideals on a gearbox DH bike. High pivot is the best balance of compromise by far IMO. The Alfine is the lightest gearbox on market so far, and is pprobably the most reliable drivetrain available at present(even including the Zerodes tensioner). Will see how the Pinion in the Nicolai ION18 goes, and the Effigear when it's out. Sure they'll be as good, and then most ideals for what's the perfect DH bikes will be covered with gearboxed DH bikes. Sick.
I'll stick with the Zerode, but will definatly be getting both a Pinion and Effigear gearboxed hardtail and all MTN bike, both probably 27"ers.
To hell with the big Ss and the perishable parts, and marketing. DH bikes should be tough as, not delicate.
  • 2 4
 .. S...ecretly W..e A...re G..ay
  • 59 4
 do you put gas in that top tube?
  • 2 0
 Lol, it's actually so close!
  • 5 10
flag viatch (Apr 22, 2013 at 22:41) (Below Threshold)
 you pump it up with helium so it will "float" better when your clearing jumps because of the front end weight bias. very clever!
  • 11 1
 Top tube integrated gas tank ... lol ... go and call the Teutuls Big Grin
  • 6 6
 Why has no one tried this helium idea? Sounds genius to me.
  • 16 0
 @SuperSlowDH: because the amount of helium that can be put in a frame is very small and it will have no effect. That is the reason why airships are so big.
  • 3 1
 Please don't start this. If you have ever read the homemade bikes forum you'll understand why.
  • 1 0
 I'm with you mate!
  • 1 0
 "fr3er1d3r" should get suspended for being a f*cking idiot.
  • 1 0
 crap meant to put that on another comment, sorry!
  • 50 3
 'Zealand
  • 17 2
 Fuck Yea!
  • 13 2
 Hell yeah!
  • 29 2
 Rob needs to get those trail bikes out the door!
  • 8 2
 yeah boi
  • 12 3
 NZ pride, another reason why I chose the G2 over a demo or V10
  • 10 9
 South Australia?
  • 10 1
 Crikey! I think it's great when people are proud of their home production, and support their fellow countrymen. Especially when it's a small company.
  • 10 1
 ride one of those and you may as well be beached as...
  • 5 1
 Heaps beached bro
  • 5 0
 Want a chup bru?
  • 46 2
 Yes! embrace the death of the derailleur!
  • 10 10
 slap some big wheels on while your there killing things
  • 5 14
flag nouser (Apr 23, 2013 at 7:16) (Below Threshold)
 Embrace the death of the derailleur and the birth of significantly heavier frames! yayyyyy! how about no. I don't want some15-16 pound frame. I'm glad with how dh bikes are currently. Plus, more hardwear on a frame means more money for the frame. So you pay more for a heavier bike that is bound to have issues with the gear box and u need to hip all the way around the world to get the piece back, sure it's good for you kiwi's cause you live right there but it's bad for people who are further away.
  • 14 0
 Rockurshoxoff95 you're pretty much wrong. Read peoples reports on them. Nobody is having more drivetrain issues. In Zerodes 3 year history, i'd imagine they've had 1% of the drivetrain issues other brands would have. All shops can get an Alfine gearbox from their Shimanno distributor, that would have them in stock. The chain is running straight, not bent and rammed into the other gears. The gears are sealed in a gearbox with lubricant, not sand and grit that sticks to your mech and cassette.
The weight is centered. Ride one, see if you're faster, happier, more confident and doing jumps, smashing rocks, doing drops, cornering, then come back with an opinion based on experience.
Yes lighter is good, but it doesn't outweigh the benefits the Zerode offers for most.
  • 5 7
 zerode is a NZ company, but i think they are made in the USA.
  • 9 1
 hopefully the trail bike version is closer to being released, would buy for sure.
  • 2 5
 As a matter of fact i've ridden one, they arent bad at all, personally i like my aurum more because of it's suspension system and how it works, much more performance quality out of a campany that's been around for longer, but that's just my oppinion, i wasnt saying my comment was fact, i'm just stating what i think. And an aurum and a trek ride very similarly
  • 2 0
 A Canfield and almost a Legend ride close.... not the Aurum I had on hand for awhile.
  • 1 3
 I found similarities in the way a trek and an aurum take corners and the way they jump, but treks soak up the bumps on a track in general much better
  • 2 0
 Neither will soak up bumps better than the Canfield or Zerode.
Because a company has been around longer means nothing. All the science is there, any brand can pick a leverage curve, axle path, etc and build a bike around it. Some older companies limit themselves to designs based on their history, like Kona, Norco, doesn't mean they've chosen the best system for performance.
The Norco and Trek pretty much have the axle path of low single pivots with a semi floating brake. Great for All MTN bikes or lesser travelled bikes. For DH, it's more important that the suspension absorbs bumps, and the bike keeps speed, a higher pivot is better for this, with less chance of damage. Some people prefer the feel of low pivot bikes, you may be one of them. I'd be very interested to see what you're faster on, and how much you actually rode the Zerode. A Zerode statistically would be a lot more durable drivetrain wise than your Norco or Trek, with less down time from mechanicals. The Zerode has a chain running straight, obviously going to last much longer, with less chance of failure, sealed in gears with lubrication that you can shift unloaded so there's less wear, as most shifts will be done unloaded with gearbox bike. Less rim and flat damage to suspension that absorbs square edge hits better(most common cause for rim damage and flats), and no derailleur to rip off, get bent, or get out of tune easier. Alfine can be adjusted in seconds if gears are out, happens maybe once or twice a year. I know of 1 Alfine out of about 50 Zerodes, that has actually been serviced. I know of NO failures at all. NONE. Then there's frame failures. Pretty sure statistically Trek would be having a much higher failure rate=downtime than Zerode. If you're happy with your bike, that's fine, but don't write misleading inaccurate stuff about another bike to make yourself feel better about the one you're on.
  • 35 1
 Will the UCI ban it?? lol
  • 15 0
 It could be too quiet going down the track, so they probably will.
  • 8 1
 They missed that boat because Honda made one of the first raced gearbox bikes, and they wouldn't fcuk with that cash giant.
  • 2 0
 Well put NoSkids.
  • 19 0
 Right- here's some REAL world feedback (sorry to burst the e-experts bubbles!) having bought one and raced it last weekend-
AMAZING!
All the cliches are true- although mine (with a heavy DH build) weights over 40lbs it really does ride like a lighter bike- it changes direction quickly for such a stable bike.
The rearward axle path is ace- it squats a bit under braking at the rear keeping you more level going into corners.
Only downside is getting used to the shifter- the Alfine shifter works the "wrong" way round and takes some getting used to.
Any questions, just ask....................
  • 6 0
 exactly, I have a G1 and it is the best downhill bike I have ever ridden. This thing stays grounded to the ground, like a Toyota Camry. Mine came in at 41.5lbs, I have a Fox 40 hybrid air, Mavic wheels and saint cranks. Like you said though it feels much lighter once your riding it.
  • 5 0
 Another G1 owner, such a sick bike and agree with everything said on how it rides light, mine is 43lbs and I couldn't care less
  • 1 0
 Whats it feel like to lift the front end(manual) one of these?
  • 3 0
 I own a G1, the whole lift manual thing is an odd feeling at the start. you have to more your weight back progressively not linear if that makes sense, due to the chainstay growth through the start of travel. once used to it, it feels normal and can still bunny hop over a log etc.
  • 2 0
 So it rides like a typical high positioned single pivot... except with all that silent goodness?
  • 1 2
 @thuren....you can't! I test rode one before I bought my Demo and because of the way the suspension lengthens upon compression it makes it real hard to manual. It was between the Demo,G1 and a Wilson, the Demo edged out the Wison for me. If you wan't a DH only rig they are awesome though!!
  • 2 0
 You can just need some weight the G2 seems to get the front up a tad easier. I am also running more PSI in shock and fork along with faster rebound.
  • 3 0
 You just need to retrain your brain, takes maybe half hour of riding, and you don't notice it being any different IMO. You just need to be less jerky, so the rear doesn't compress as much. The front pulls up pretty much just the same as any bike initially, it's just holding it up if you're not smooth is trickier. For DH is all good, for doing show off wheelies, it just takes a little while to get used to it and retrain ya brain. A car park test for a Zerode is not a good judgement, as it will be a touch alien at first. Especially with reverse shifting, and not having your sub conscious trained to shift whenever it damn well pleases. You need to do a few runs on a Zerode at least IMO to judge it fairly, although most people feel faster and more confident after 1 run. I did about 250 runs of a track on my old bike, fist run on my new Zerode I was hitting lines I'd not even considered.
  • 3 0
 It's a DH bike. A lower pivot would be easier to manual, but at the cost of not being able to slay anything in it's path and keep the same speed as a Zerode. Every bike is a compromise, pick the best one for you. For DH, Zerode ticks the most boxes by far IMO.
  • 3 1
 @chettjames what i'm about to say you wil probably see as very arrogant but i'm going to say it anyway. The demo is the worst out of those three bikes by a country mile. Are you sure you weren't just being a fan boy when you chose it. I can understand not choosing the G1 as it is very strange and especially if your not a full on fast racer. If you are a racer nothing beats it. But choosing a demo over a wilson a bike which tracks better looks better and feels better, to me is just crazy. But i suppose just because i hate the ridiculous top tube length and extremely low pivot of the demo doesn't mean everyone does.
  • 2 2
 Thanks for the reply, but as you know opinions are like a*sholes......everyone has one!! I have been riding/racing since my youth years and the demo fit me the best. If I was in the market for a dh only rig it woulda been the G1 but alas I need to occasionaly ride up a small incline so thats why I chose the way I did. PS I don't know of any G1/G2 that have ever podium'd in any UCI race? The Demo is a proven winning design ask your Sam Hill and Gwinn after this year....
  • 1 0
 Yeah but the G1 won the Australian ELITE male overall and the JR in England....so Hill was already beaten by Eaton aboard a G1 while on a DEMO. You playing that card the Sunn Radical has it in 21 UCI rainbow jerseys combined.
  • 1 0
 Specialized have a much much higher budget for sponsoring top riders. Zerode with a 23tooth rear sprocket has much lower gear than a demo, and probably less bob, and as good or better pedaling. Especially the newer G2. No need to have anything to do with opinions or arseholes, look at the leverage curves, anti squat, etc. And I think Zerodes statisticly are doing better at races than Demos. That might be my arse talking, but it's probably true. I don't care to prove it, but you're welcome to try prove any of it wrong. Not saying Demos are bad, I just don't think your comment chettjames are correct or valid.
  • 13 0
 TO ALL THE HATERS! There was once a day when people said that disc brakes are a bad idea. Same shit you see here...."they are heavy" or they are gonna cost alot to fix". Early carbon bikes cost alot and they were junk. Very weak. All new technology will always be more expensive and less refined. It is up to us the end user to try and support these ideas and allow them to grow and refine themselves. With that said......SHUT you face holes and wait!!!!!
  • 1 0
 The Zerode is very refined. The Alfine gearbox has been around for years in various incarnations. The 8 speed the Zerode uses, has been out for years too. There's really not much that needs changing. The G1 didn't even need changing, the G2 is just more racey and therefore different. G1 might suit some people better.
  • 4 0
 I'm not saying that its not refined now. It just not refined fully. We once used to think a color screen on a cell phone was refined and now I'm pinkbike from my now refined phone. The more people that use these vs a rear mech the more refined it will become. As an engineer by passion and trade I can say the idea kicks the snot out of a rear mech design and wish it an over-taking future. This bike looks beast.
  • 16 4
 I hate modern trade about trying to keep the weight secret. WTF 80% percent of riders or more in these days are aiming to lower weight of the bikes and almost none of the companies provides that information. Can tell me someone why ?
Especially in this case is probably is the first though of everyone how heavy is it. They said "300g lighter then g1" This is probably most un-useful information ever! Thanks to sicklines you can at least try to have some idea about some bikes/ frames and components, but there are lately very few products and they are not updated.
  • 5 1
 Weights can vary a lot between identical bikes. Frames and components can both end up being heavier than pre-production parts on a prototype frame. All the little variations can add up and the manufacturers Don't want to look like that weren't tell the truth as it could damage their rep.
  • 16 3
 WTF cares about weight? My trail bike weights a s*@tload and I only notice that when I have to lift it over a gate. Having suspension that works makes a much bigger difference to the ride.
  • 8 1
 ^see I used to think this way till I got the money to build up a 28lb enduro build and its changed my life.
  • 1 1
 Not a weight weenie, but not gonna lie: when I think I might be able to drop a pound with one component, i start getting excited (Magura enduro fork is my latest lust item)
  • 1 0
 I understand the whole bike as it could be different just because of different tires. But its more about the frames. This frame here as well as many other are in production, The frame you selling cannot varies unless you are unpacking that thing on Mt. Everest Big Grin

malcs1999@ Trail bike maybe. I am expecting my big rig to fly, hit big hips and maneuver through tight corners and steep technical sections. On these things weight of the bike makes a BIG difference .
  • 8 1
 take a dump and drop a few pounds before you ride. cost is free. eat right, pedal more, maybe hit the gym, and sit around drinking beer less and you'll be flying no matter how much your bike weighs. the bike looks awesome by the way, I would love to have a go on it and see how it works.
  • 1 0
 ^ Do all what you said....then ride a 38lb DH bike and you may change your position. Riding a rig that feels like a silent cloud, feels amazing. My session felt like that for the first 2 years until the chain slap worked it's way back.
  • 1 0
 I can't hardly have less fat on me, so that's not the problem. And its not even close to the issue we are talking about. Btw know couple "over-sized " And its about how to maneuver bike, not the body.

I like the Zerode, I just wanted to point out, what I am experiencing when looking for a new frame Smile
  • 5 0
 I ride a fat ass specialized big hit and I pass people on the uphills. I don't even know how much that things weighs but there's nothing light about it. not bragging about my bike, just saying a few ounces or even a pound here and there is small potatoes, all things considered. I like the silent cloud analogy tho, my ride is more like a drunken elephant with tambourines zip tied to it haha
  • 9 1
 good old kiwi ingenuity right there! sick bikes! my mates got one of mike metz (zerode creator) earlier dh bikes, the keewee, still going strong 13 years later
  • 2 0
 I have a sneaky suspicion that one of the owners of zerode has been stealing my koms.
  • 3 0
 Thats because you can't break them Cool
  • 5 0
 Koms are not stolen, they are earned!
  • 3 0
 I spent a year in NZ and I never heard the term koms.... what does it mean?
  • 2 0
 KOM's King of the Mountain, fastest time on a segment in Strava. Unless there is another NZ term.
  • 1 2
 LOL.....KOM....LOL!!!!
  • 4 0
 Love this idea. Honestly the only time I've seen an internal hub break or stop working is when the axle gets bent.... Seeing as the hub is no longer in the wheel. This bike should last for fricken ever without shifting problems( besides wear- but that happens to everything) so no worries. This also means rock gardens can no longer eat my derailluers heheh. Little pricey. I'll have to get the tig out and weld my own frame based on this idea
  • 4 0
 I love my G1, yes it's heavy ( mine is 43 lbs. with a Saint/ Fox build ) but it doesn't ride heavy if that makes any sense. One improvement I see is the engagement on the hub could be a lot better but otherwise it's supa sick.
  • 3 0
 I run a 120 point engagement rear hub (Superstar) and with that, pick up is very similar to my trail bike with 'normal' stuff. Still wish it was a nadge quicker but, hey, the rest of the package more than makes up for it!
  • 3 0
 True true, Ya I still perfer it over my 2011 Jedi ( which I liked a lot ), and have no "buyers remorse"
  • 4 0
 Ran into Jeff Steber and Dave Turner at Sea Otter and Fontucky below are some of what they had to say about the bike seen above. Means alot to hear compliments from those guys with all they have done.

"it actually exists!"
"wow"
"great idea"
"beautiful bike"
"someone finally did it"
"well thought out"
"good to see a new idea just not slight alterations to decade old designs"
  • 5 0
 I've only owned mine since earlier this spring but I can already say it's easily the fastest DH bike that I have owned and I've had a few.
  • 5 3
 I LIKE NEW MODERN SHIT . i was thinking about the the 65 year old man who said his XC times were to slow so he went and got a DH bike . i don't race compete or anything but am thinking am going to FORT WILLIAM in june hire all the gear and do it .
  • 4 0
 Shaving 300 grams, thats over half a pound! Awesome work considering how hard it is to shave half a pound from ANY modern frame.
  • 9 0
 Shave 300 grams off of the fat ass riding it and I will say "awsome work."
  • 4 0
 What if your a skinny bastard?
  • 1 0
 What if your a skinny bastard?.... don't wear socks
  • 2 0
 Designers. What is the low center of gravity feel on this bike? Seems to me that it would be higher than wanting but I love the gear box ideas and I feel that if the gear box could be designed around the bottom bracket that it would allow a low center of gravity and durability. Let me know. I design and would really like to know.
  • 1 0
 I'm curious to know how a bike with a pinion gearbox would handle vs the zerode.
  • 2 1
 i really like the idea of a gearbox but i am a little timid about jumping on the train, especially when it leaves at a price north of $3000. i would have to ride one of these machines to make the decision.

does zerode have demos at any of the major resorts in north america?
  • 8 0
 The price is actually really reasonable. When you buy the frame you also get the gearbox, shifter, chains and shock for that price. If you consider when buying a 'normal' DH frame you would have to buy a rear mech shifter etc ontop of the frame its not to bad.
  • 2 0
 You get frame, shock(choice of Fox or Cane Creek), seat post clamp. The drivetrain parts you get are cables, sprockets, chain tensioner, chain ring bolts, rear sprocket spacers. two shifters.
This replaces mech, shifter, cassette, and chain guide. And that's not counting the times you might need a new mech, or the fact the chain is running straight at all times, not bent and rammed into the next gear, so chain and sprockets last way way longer too.
Your cable lasts longer too, as most of your shifting on a Zerode gets done when you're not pedalling, as you can shift any time.
  • 3 0
 shittttt, i think pivots frame is over 3k and thats just a regular frame.
  • 1 0
 I didn't mean to imply the frame is unreasonably priced, because it's not. I am merely pointing out that for a design this different than the norm I would like to demo one before I make a final decision whether to buy or not ($3500 for a frame, shock and some drivetrain parts is still quite a chunk of money for me).

So i repeat the question - Anyone know if zerode does demos?
  • 2 0
 ride-801

China Peak was looking at being a West Coast demo center with 3 sizes built up. I have not heard what is going on with this I need to email Evan Turpen and see if that is still in the works. Also we will have a bike or two at the Mammoth Pro GRT if you are making it out for that?
  • 2 0
 downhillnews - Thanks for the response! I unfortunately not be at the Mammoth Pro GRT, but I would be very interested if China Peak ended up with the demos.
  • 5 0
 So that's why I find this bike so attractive...
  • 2 1
 Fr3erl.....im mechanic....also y bought a Hammersmith which is a mechanical gear cranks. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. !
About the box it actually looks like a shimano alfine 8 gears internal hub, even under the brake line you can see the center lock cap, and the "Richierocket "nuts on the sides. I m doing something like that with a dj, put a the Hammersmith in front and a shimano 3 spd internal gear in rear, so no lose chain, 6 speeds, but about 10 pounds more heavy.
  • 2 0
 wow, if ALFINE works it would be a big step for it... Not having a rear derailleur out there with lot of chances of breaking with rocks roots or on crashes would be awesome....
  • 2 2
 Looks nice. Love the gearbox idea.

As for the 'too complicated to work on' argument, if you think thats the case, then leave it to your dealer.

What Zerode would need to do is have a 48 hour swap in case of any failure. Let the dealer send in the serial nr of the broken one, they immediately send out a replacement (doesn't even have to be new, just a working one).
Once the broken part is in, they give a quote on repair costs.
With the serial numbers in a database, they can keep track which gearbox had what service done. Add some electronics, and you know the mileage too.
  • 4 0
 The Australian Zerode distributor has had a spare Alfine doing nothing for the last 2-3 years. They're way way more reliable than anything else. The gearbox paranoia isn't warranted.
  • 3 0
 Agreed, when they were developing the G1 they did not touch the Alfine for 2 years to test reliability, and had no issues
  • 2 0
 The naysayers have to understand that this Alfine IG hub is placed in a 'non-stressed' position on the bike, its well over duty for this application, and is built to take touring loads all year long otherwise. It is a forgettable component in this arrangement. You will have more spare time to make extra runs or change flats. ;-)
  • 2 0
 Less flats with the rearward axle path Morpheous=more runs too ;-)
  • 2 0
 Looks very interesting. The only think it needs is a special rear protector or mudguard for the alfine system. Would love to test the Zerode !!!
  • 3 0
 It doesn't "need" it. The Alfine loves the mud. It's got a smooth surface, and plenty of room around it. Mud is not an issue for it. A cover would save you having to clean in around it though.
  • 1 1
 It comes with a cover, it's just not pictured
  • 1 0
 No it doesn't come with a cover over the top.
  • 2 0
 I meant cover for the lower shock mount, not the Alfine my bad
  • 5 0
 THIS IS PURE PORN!!!!
  • 8 5
 pain to work on but still really like this bike.
  • 11 0
 Have you worked on one? They're a touch daunting, but once you nut it out they're ridiculously easy to work on, and they require about 5% of the maintenance a bike with derailleur does, and are about 95% more reliable.
  • 2 1
 did you just say 'nut it out'??
  • 4 2
 i have actually worked on a couple. when its a complete overhaul then yes it would be easy, but the cliental that buy these bikes are a little weird, and from that is where the pain to work on comes from.
  • 1 0
 hahahaa, too funny..
  • 2 1
 This bike actually came into the shop I work in a few weeks ago when it was getting built up. Our mechanic didn't have much trouble at all working on it, except that the e*thirteen crank arm rubbed on the bottom bolt of the transmission mount, which is why the guy ended up going with the ZEE cranks/BB setup. They guy who owns it was actually a super rad guy that brought it back to show us the finished product, but he could be one of the good ones that buy these bikes.
  • 2 0
 I want one, looks like the future. Wonder if drivetrains will all be like this someday, if they work well.
  • 3 0
 Cleaner than a surgeons scalpel.
  • 3 0
 It reminds me of a women with wide hips and a fat ass!
  • 2 0
 sounds like a kiwi girl mate
  • 3 0
 This just became my new favourite bike need to save up for one of these.
  • 2 0
 First gearbox bike that I really thought looked nice, and under 4k competitive price tag too
  • 3 0
 Nice write up RC. Best looking bike on the market.
  • 2 0
 Quiet, efficient, bombproof, handles, yep it's a game changer, get one before they run out ;-)
  • 1 0
 The only thing I have to say its innovating, and innovations make the sports advance, there's going to be some good and bad ones, but it always makes the technology improve.
  • 2 0
 I sometimes click on articles just to look at the comment arguments Razz This bike looks really cool though!
  • 9 9
 If properly implemented, I think the Pinion system makes a lot more sense with it's lower center of gravity etc

www.pinkbike.com/news/Pinion-Gearbox-First-Ride.html
  • 2 6
flag Skautik (Apr 22, 2013 at 22:46) (Below Threshold)
 word
  • 3 6
 why are retards neg propping this?
  • 6 1
 The idea is to get the pivot as high as possible.
  • 4 0
 Why would you need 18 gears for DH? And the gearbox height in the Zerode is to enable it to have a high pivot, and isolate the drivetrain and suspension forces from each other. It's only at your calf height. Better than a foot out the back like a mech and cassette are. Pinion would be awesome for all other types of MTBs though. Pinion would be cool if/when they make a lesser geared one for DH use for more conventional designed DH bikes, or with an idler in a Zerode style one.
  • 2 0
 This should be the direction to go to eliminate the antique drive system we all use. Has been functioning under moto forces for years. I agree with the less gears idea, shaves weight & will make it a simpler system. Maintenance will be a simple & straight forward process that any mechanically inclined person should be able to take care of on their own.
  • 3 0
 www.effigear.com This gearbox with a jack chain/high pivot, please!
  • 2 0
 two hubs, two chains and too sick
  • 2 0
 and BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
  • 2 0
 3500 and you don't have to buy a dereaileur or bash guard Wink
  • 2 0
 Or shifter or cassette!
  • 2 0
 Way better than Red Alp....
  • 1 0
 Perfect pivot placement, heavy as though...
  • 2 0
 The CCDB Air looks bulky
  • 1 1
 They should put some cover on the Alfine hub above the wheel, because in mud it will be packed up in just about 5 seconds.
  • 5 0
 Never serviced the hub on my G1 in 2 years. Still as smooth as the day I bought it.
  • 5 0
 I'm glad I was wrong.
  • 1 0
 Zelvy is working on one. They ran one for 2 years with no service to test our how durable and no issues.
  • 3 0
 Nope. Wrong. Mine gets rode hard and put away wet with no complaints. So does my bike...
  • 2 0
 Nice colour
  • 1 0
 still cant quite make my mind up weather or not i like these things yet
  • 2 0
 Just ride a demo one gizmo - you will love it!
  • 1 1
 Jesus on a fricking bike! This top tube looks like a German girder!!! What is the weight of this beast?
  • 1 0
 Oh good idea-like to try it
  • 7 7
 Prefer something I can easily work on. Nice bike though.
  • 28 2
 Hub gearboxes have a lot of parts, but they are pretty easy to work on. It's remarkable how they shift - by either locking out the planet ring or locking out the sun gear in the center. Steal your mom's townie and give it a go. I'm sure you'l be able to get it up and running before she heads off to Starbucks tomorrow AM.
  • 8 24
flag ampa (Apr 22, 2013 at 23:14) (Below Threshold)
 "Steal your mom's townie and give it a go. I'm sure you'l be able to get it up and running before she heads off to Starbucks tomorrow AM."

WTF does that even mean?
  • 10 2
 It means: borrow the bombproof 3 speed Sturmey-Archer hub from your mom's town bike and crack it open.

RC knows what's up:
With some books, patience, effort, and a very large white sheet on your workbench, hub gears aren't impossible.

EDIT: That said, will Zerode disclose what modifications they've made to the hub? Wouldn't want anyone to crack it open and watch all sorts of weird parts fall out that aren't 'supposed' to be there.
  • 5 0
 The only modifications they make are to the outside of the hub so that it take the extra chain ring that isnt need when it is used as a hub.
  • 10 0
 Do not open up a Rohloff hub. They are not simple. And you will have to send it back to Rohloff in shame.
  • 2 0
 another modification is the oil port so you can squirt 5ml of gear oil in every couple of months
  • 8 0
 They're easy as to work on. Lube chain, ride. After initial chain and cable stretch, you undo two nuts on each side of frame, wind gearbox up with finger actuated adjusters until chain is taught. Tighten nuts. Shift into 4th gear, line up two yellow dots by twisting barrel adjuster to adjust cable tension and that's all you'll need to do for 3 months to a year. Oh and undo one little nut on gearbox, and squirt some oil in every few months. To service hub(well well over a year for most people)the shell comes off, rinse it off with detergent, put back together, and re oil. The bearings in it can be replace like in a hub, but it's only turning when you're pedaling, and it's not under much load as you're weight isn't on it, so they last ages. If in doubt, buy a new gearbox for the cost of a decent mech and cassette once every 2-3 years. About the same drivetrain maintenance as a BMX.
  • 3 0
 OK so here is how to "work" on an Alfine 11 speed IG hub, you remove the drain plug, drain the oil, replace the oil with new, re-install drain plug. ONCE A YEAR! and if you forget to do that, it doesnt seem to matter with these hubs, I have been riding them for years in all conditions. They are absolutely SOLID.
  • 1 0
 Morpheous is correct, however the Zerode has the even more durable 8 speed, not the 11. Using oil like the 11 though.
  • 1 0
 Rohloff hubs are not that complicated once you've had one apart. The exploded diagram in the manual makes it pretty straight forward. Worked for a company that tried to spec them (cost killed that) & the engineers took them apart. They couldn't get it back together, so i found it in a box on my bench the next day with a book. Like RC said the Sturmey/Archer hub is not that complicated, the Rohloff is just a super complicated internally geared hub. Nothing to fear, just lots of parts.
  • 1 1
 Looks good... But adjusting that CCDBA will be tricky!
  • 2 0
 Ain't that bad at all- I adjusted mine at the weekend no problem with the CCDB tool
  • 1 2
 so wtf is "sea otter" other than a hilarious name for an awesome looking event? name of the area its held or something ?
  • 2 0
 The event is only a few miles from the ocean at Laguna Seca race track and the sea otter is a favorite local sea animal, along with huge white sharks. Beautiful weather and just an awesome part of California.
  • 1 0
 weight?
  • 2 0
 mine with heavy DH build- low 40s (I don't have accurate scales at the moment) I know it's a cliche, but it does ride lighter!
  • 2 0
 That one as built is 38.8 LBS.....
  • 1 0
 nice! i gotta say, i'm loving the simple, classic profile
  • 1 1
 Kinda funky looking. Weird gearing system.
  • 2 3
 Looks like the gearbox and drive chain from that to the rear hub will catch a lot of crap off the ear tyre in the wet...
  • 1 1
 careful what you say, the aussies will vote you down, ahhaa
  • 3 4
 Finally no one can say "looks like a session"
  • 1 2
 Looks like an Aurum
  • 10 1
 WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? THEY ALREADY DID!
  • 2 0
 Fr3er1d3r said that after i posted my comment
  • 2 3
 maintenance on this bad boy is gonna drain pockets
  • 2 2
 No maintenance - so simple, your forks get 100 times more maintenance than the drivetrain.
  • 4 6
 Too much gypsy magic
  • 3 6
 It doesnt look like a session... WOW
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