Renton Coil Springs, based in Washington State’s Seattle area, is a supplier to high tech industries, primarily aerospace, but its titanium alloy springs are also famous in both mountain bike and motorsports racing. Pinkbike asked Renton Coil Spring’s Kyle Cabaya to explain the differences between steel and titanium springs, and to give us a heads up on the intricacies of their manufacturing process.
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What kind of wire is used for MTB coil springs?Typically, most of the steel springs on the market will be made out of chrome-silicon or a derivative of chrome-silicon. Renton Coil Spring exclusively makes MTB springs out of aerospace quality Beta-C Titanium.
What kind of machine makes coil springs?The actual coiling is done with a CNC mandrel coiler that we have custom built in-house. From there, the ends are ground flat, the springs are heat-treated and then sent out for shot peen. When they return, we press them to solid to eliminate the possibility of them getting shorter under normal use. All springs are then individually inspected for proper dimensions and each is tested for spring rate.
A partial view of the CNC mandrel spring coiler at RCS. The operator manually feeds the material into the rollers and the material is cold wound around a mandrel. After coiling, the operator trims the spring and sends it to the grinding station.
Note: Renton Coil Spring's custom-made spring coiler machine operates on a different principle. The following you tube video will give you an idea of how a typical CNC spring winder works. Video Credit hereHow Most MTB Coil Springs are Made
Does the wire need a special heat treat before or after the spring is formed?Yes, the aging and stress relieving process is very specific for titanium springs. Both time and accurate temperature control are crucial parameters to the heat treat operation.
Renton Coil Spring manufactures only
titanium springs for its mountain
bike range. Renton Coil Spring photo Why do springs with softer rates often have thicker wire than those with stiffer rates?The three parameters that determine spring rate are:
• SPRING DIAMETER
• WIRE DIAMETER
• NUMBER OF COILS
Adjusting any one of these three parameters in a design will change the spring rate. All RCS Ti springs utilize an optimized spring design where we design with the smallest wire diameter and fewest coils within safe stress tolerances of the material. In all RCS mountain bike spring designs we use what’s called an optimized design. This means that we design the smallest, lightest spring based on the critical dimensions (inside diameter, spring travel, and spring rate). Optimized designs reduce weight and help to keep costs down as they minimize the amount of material used.
What kind of titanium wire is used for mountain bike springs? We use a proprietary blend of Beta-C Titanium, which is the same material we use for our aerospace applications.
How do the wire thicknesses vary for titanium vs steel springs? Because of Beta-C Titanium’s low modulus, a larger wire diameter is required to achieve the same spring rate as a steel spring. But by utilizing the fact that titanium is almost twice as flexible as chrome-silicon steel, we can design the spring with larger spacing between the coils, thus fewer coils are needed.
Do titanium springs have a different fatigue life compared to steel ones? Properly designed titanium springs have more resistance to set and longer fatigue life than the highly stressed steel springs commonly
used in suspension applications. When a spring has exceeded its fatigue life, it may break, but most likely it will just take set (get shorter). If you find yourself having to add rounds of preload to your spring to
maintain sag height, it may be time for a new spring.
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Is there an average weight advantage for Ti vs steel springs? Due to Beta-C Titanium’s low modulus, low density and high strength, typical weight savings will be between 30 and 50-percent over steel springs. The performance advantages of titanium springs extend beyond the weight savings over steel springs. Advanced data recovery systems have shown that titanium springs enhance shock performance and wheel control through improved dynamic response. This is a result of the reduced mass of the titanium springs. Lower mass springs develop less inertia as the suspension is displaced. Less inertia in the spring mass enables the suspension to respond quicker, resulting in improved ground contact and traction.
What is the basic cost ratio between Ti and steel material? The cost ratio of Beta-C Titanium vs. Chrome Silicon Steel is 70 to one.
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The Elastic Modulus, or Young's Modulus for Chrome Silicon Springs is 207 GPa, not 79.3 GPa. The figure you have provided is not the Elastic Modulus, but the Modulus of Rigidity, or G.
Is this significant? No. But, its better that the information be correct.
Reference: www.springhouston.com/materials/alloy-steel/chrome-silicon-springs.html
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When you look at something like Hans Dampf vs Minion DHF vs High Roller they look a million miles apart, yet all get rated as great all rounders.
Are we at a point where tread designs are becoming increasingly similar for a given purpose, and it's just tyre manufacturers don't really bother explaining the purpose very clearly? Or is it that there's still alot of diverging opinion and art to it?
However, I just swapped that set up for a Cane Creek DB Air and so far, air is much nicer... Ask me Whistler this summer though.
Cue flogging dead horse emoticon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qGHWZm0C-o
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPs4HSiaSc
And why doesn't Fox, Rockshox and most of the other high end shock manufacturers offer Ti springs on "race" models, or at least aftermarket upgrade options? If Fox offered a RC4 Ti that was a half pound lighter than the standard RC4, I would definitely buy the Ti version!
Coilsprung dampers are an altogether different beast. They have adjustable damping and variable spring rates and are tunable. Ride a 951, Foes, Supreme or any other highly developped coil bike. Comfort and "roadholding" are way way better.
Something that I completely missed on ti springs is that fewer spring windings mean more travel and probably a 50lb lighter springload. Probably the single most important design feature. Must have, now.
and you now summing up foes with it.. the new dhs mono 2:1 is delivered with an air shock nowdays..
so i think air has come up a long way the last few years..
Progression is something you design into the suspension by means of changing leverage. I think that is what you mean.
There is no "new" dhs mono. My 2013 Foes Hydro has coil-dampers allaround. The rear has a Fox DHX with 200mm spring...
8.25 inch of progressive suspension travel; 2.3 : 1 suspension leverage ratio. The 2.3 is important to know. Solid number.
So 21cm theoretical spring travel before coil-binding occurs with a steel spring. If I change to a ti-spring with less coils - binding will occur later, giving me either a safety margin before explosive coil binding or I could ride a softer ti-spring and crank less endprogression into the dhx - giving me buttery linear travel to the endstroke.
and as for foes..
www.pinkbike.com/photo/9279369
and another guy on here also has an air shock
That is where I got mine.
www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=136
£110 or £100 depending on stock