Kona has a new Process. The team will be contesting the EWS at Whistler Crankworx aboard the new bike, which Kona hoped we would not say too much about. It looks like an evolutionary step, with improvements in the chassis. The downtube is enlarged, while the top tube has been slenderized. The bottom bracket area is widened and the derailleur option has been scrapped. Check out the photos while we try to dig up some more info.
@MX298: I agree. That's the reason I went with a SC tallboy 3 over a yeti sb4.5. I ride with a bottle a realistic 99% of the time and the yeti had a bottle mount on the bottom of the downtube right where the most dirt would spray up from the front wheel.
I don't get the obsession with water bottle holders? I don't know anyone who has a bottle cage on their MTB - camel backs are the norm. I guess where I ride we don't have water stations or water bodies every couple of kilometres to facilitate refills.
@Wandoo: stay hydrated in your day to day life, and you won't have to suck back 2L of water every ride. A standard bottle lasts me a couple hour ride without issue
@scvkurt03: much tougher to find a solution for a destroyed downtube when you hit your first log crossing though! You can get away with an under-the-downtube bottle only in mild terrain.
@Wandoo: thats the point. the way YOU ride. but i know a lot more people who are riding WITH bottle. living in switzerland where you have a fountain around every corner with the best, freshest and cool water you can imagine. so why carrying 2l of warm water on my back?
@Wandoo: I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, I prefer having a water bottle for my daily rides (1-2 hrs) for two reasons. First, I find that I don't need more water than a single bottle in that time range if I'm properly hydrated and because hydration packs can be really warm on my back. I ride in weather that easily hits 100°F and having no pack on definitely helps with cooling. That said, when I go on longer rides, the pack gets used and I may even throw an electrolyte tablet into the water bottle for even better hydration on extra long rides.
@MMOF: apart from the issue, how would you compare the two? I have a 134 and have been eyeing the scout but holding off to see what comes next from Kona. I've ridden my buddies scout and demoed the smuggler and scout in Moab for a few days but kept missing my process
@Mandood: I personally have always been a Kona fan. Their build quality is solid. However, My Scout is so much nicer in every way to the Process. I do love the Process but the stand over is too low for me and a long reach down to set suspension, etc. The seat tube needs to be long. Okay for downhill riders but I ride up and down and that is where the Scout wins and the added water bottle cage. I ride with a pack but like to have options.
@ Wandoo: I agree 100%. The standard ride we go on is 4-5 hrs. Even a large water bottle (which can't be put into very many frames) would be sucked back within a couple of hours. Stopping to refill a water bottle mid ride kills the flow of the ride. Added bonus to a hydration pack is a built in spine protector.
@MMOF: agreed on reaching the suspension. I have been running the cane creek coil IL with the dropt/ opt setup so I can change the feel of the rear at the bars. A 150mm dropper helped as well. I agree it's less refined than the scout (and smuggler) that I rode. Guess that's what happens when you're one of the earlier companies on progressive geometry like Kona was. Fingers crossed the new process has some tricks to push the envelope again
@brncr6: Gu makes a few that I like. The strawberry lemonade and watermelon flavors are both pretty good. My only recommendation is keep a single bottle for electrolytes as they tend to leave a bit of a residue. There are plenty of other companies that make them such as SIS (they make awesome isotonic gels, which are my absolute favorite).
@brncr6: I use NUUN , they work very well , if I have a race that weekend I will drink a bottle a day a couple days prior . Race day with feed stations and such , I pack a few tablets and always a full water bottle as well . I also drink a bottle after a hard day of riding/racing . They make a big difference and don,t bloat me like Poweraid and Gatoraid and the likes do .
@miller22: What trails are you guys riding for 4-5 hrs without stopping? river valley stuff in Edmonton or down in Bragg Creek? I'm not sure what type of riding you're talking about but once you ditch the pack, I feel like it's +5 agility at a bare minimum. losing that weight off you're back can be a definite game changer.
@Wandoo: the Bellingham crowd is definitely anti-pack, especially on Galbraith (main trail system here). It's fairly cool and the hills are tall and steep so not carrying a heavy pack just for extra water is nice. Plus keeping that free weight low on the bike/body inspires a bit more confidence when things get rooty/weird/steep/airborne
huh - no horst link? That is a bit surprising. If you can go to a more advanced rear suspension set up without incurring any fees, why would you not? Not that the traditional single pivot isn't a good setup, but breaking properties can be tuned more independently with horst with most other things being equal - so why not make the change?
I might be wrong but It seems like this suspension platform is on everyones new bikes these days.
And the trunnion mount seems to be propagating widely as well.
If you're going to have a single pivot, then why not build it a little more burly, rather than have seperate seat stays to drive the rocker... It's style over function. They will still fail at the yolk behind the BB.
i actually think horst link is better under any aspects as far as performances go, but switching to it would cost more and take longer, because you'd have to design a complete new suspension other than just adjusting and tuning your well trusted bike. just my thought though
@downhillnirvana: Horst Link requires the pivot to be between the axle and main pivot. As the second pivot is up on the seatstay, it's affecting the leverage rate onto the rocker link/shock alone, and not the axle path (which is a set curve because... It should be obvious why the axle path is not variable).
@captainspaulding: a well designed horst link is superior to a well designed sp if managing brake squat is a priority. If not, then no - they would be pretty much similar in performance if executed properly. With the advent of 1x systems, single pivot designs can be optimized and made to work extremely well. If you also know how and when to brake and not drag your brakes, then yes - a single pivot can work extremely well. That is not to say that something else is not better.
then again, kona and cannondale - the examples cited above - are not the best examples of super innovative designs imo wrt to kinematics. Dependable and well working yes, pushing the envelope - hardly. That can be both a good and a bad thing
main take away from my post -> i am surprised that when making a significant investment in going full carbon, that Kona do not also further refine their rear suspension. Perhaps it was a bridge too far, or that they are sufficiently happy with their current kinematics.
As one who owns a 2015 167 ,an owned a raced a 2013 Process and a 2012 Entourage DLX . To me it looks like they based it off the Entourage with a more pedal friendly seat tube angle . I did see some other images of a blue carbon version and a alloy 29" version of a 153 . Looking like some nice stuff out of them a finally a long awaited for carbon enduro style frame .
I hope this color combo would be an option. Seems like most companies need to expand their color options. I think SC and Scott have the best colors going right now. Also, manufactures should take a note from Liv b/c their color combos are pretty sweet. I love my new Norco Sight but the high gloss finish just drives me bonkers. I think there should be a matt finish available for every bike.
old news. There are also shots of complete bike, and there is shots of a 29er version as well.
Hope they moved the main pivot up to a location that doesn't cause massive bob with anything over a 30t ring....
@Kiwiplague: Yeah maybe cause the 29er version isn't carbon or something...down vote @atrokz, he's a fraud. Clearly photoshopped the second pic cause it isn't carbon
Definitely doesn't look like a process. And this bottle cage? Wasn't it designed on the previous model under the downtube in purpose, so we could learn to differentiate between cow's and horse's fecies by taste?
Yep, saw Connor Fearon with it at WC but couldn'the snap a picture of it since they were constantly hiding it. It also had a rad " no photo" logo on ithe, which was extremely rad ! Will I sell my process for this one ? Is this even better than a process ? Can't be..
"Spy Shot" lolz. They obviously wanted to keep it very, very secret. This would be like if Honda just happened to drive a thinly disguised NSX to the local meetup of Civics with fart-can exhausts and expected it to remain "secret"
Just call it what it is.
At least they didn't flip it upside down like the Nomad teaser
What's funny is that when people get legit spy shots they get removed from forums by moderators. When we get fake spy shots, every other bike website has the same ones.
It'll be interesting to hear why they ditched the previous carbon Process design that Matt Slaven was riding way back in 2014.
@PHeller: This may be some insider knowledge but kona in there earlier carbon frames had struggled with Chinese manufacturing and ended up having to junk all of them
@vtracer: yup was told by a rep and Matt himself .They where not happy with the quality of the frame from the source so they pulled the plug . Cheaper in the long run than having to warranty a ton of crappy carbon frames .
Communication strategy pseudo spy shots : a bit like what Apple does for Iphone; that's free publicity. You know these clickbait articles like "The design of the next gen Iphone leaked in a secret photo". They don't even have to pay for ads.
I like the sand color. I really like my Process 111. Crossing my fingers for a revised P111- I'd vote for a threaded BB, common size 2" stroke shock, 75* seat angle, 67* head angle, maybe a few mm more travel. Don't care if it's carbon. But wait a minute, that sounds just like a Smuggler. Hmmm, just confused myself
Saw a group of testers in Squamish. Saw the 153, in a matte green with bright lettering. Looked awesome! The group was very hush hush when I started asking questions.
Because the European Launch and North American Launch already happened for Kona.... so really this whole no pictures please is just to build hype before the preset launch article on PInkbike rolls out. These are not prototypes like the Norco Aurum was and which also changed drastically after those first spy shots of the aurum were taken.
@2bigwheels: Exactly. This is a FINISHED bike, it is not a prototype. This specific color/build may or may not be come available, and is most likely an internal test bike. If Kona wanted to be hush hush about it, the last thing they would do is take it to Whistler during one of the busiest mountain bike festivals in the world. The hype train is now boarding and ready for departure...
Can't u derstand why kona continues to use faux bar when the horst link patent is open now.....missing the boat and literally pissing money into the wind.
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other than that - looks burly, looks nice
then again, kona and cannondale - the examples cited above - are not the best examples of super innovative designs imo wrt to kinematics. Dependable and well working yes, pushing the envelope - hardly. That can be both a good and a bad thing
youtu.be/78DD82fx4M8
Dave Turner ( Turner bikes) went from Horst to faux bar, no one could tell difference!!
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*Comments on the sub-par pedaling performance of the bike I actually own*. PB kids "go to hell! you suck"
Just call it what it is.
At least they didn't flip it upside down like the Nomad teaser
When are they painting it?
153 is available in 650b or 29 but only 650b is available on carbon
There's also a 165 650b that comes with a coil
More photos of it
Threaded bb??? If not? Not on my radar...