Phil Atwill's Propain Rage Carbon - Bike Check

Jun 8, 2017 at 16:08
by Richard Cunningham  


bigquotesThis one is a bit stiffer to ride, for sure. You can notice it rails a bit faster. The ally' one had a lot of travel - ten inches, I think. This one has eight and a half inches, but plenty there still.

Phillip Atwill stands just over six feet (182cm) and only weighs about 154 pounds (70kg), but he says he's running the suspension on his new Propain Rage Carbon pretty stiff for Leogang's (now) relatively smooth course, with settings near those of the very pedally Fort William course the downhill circus left behind last week. Phil rides the larger of the two (long or short) sizes Propain offers for their new carbon-framed DH machine. Further lengthening the chassiss, Atwill has the two-position headset cups set 10-millimeters forward, and the two-position rear-axle chips set back for another ten millimeters of wheelbase bliss.

Atwill was very vocal about his disdain for Leogang's apparent lack of challenging terrain, but he's still planning on going fast. His rear tire is a Schwalbe Rock Razor, which is almost a racing slick on top, while his front is a the Addix compound Magic Mary - a very grippy option, probably to counter the flat, off camber corners on course. And, both have ProCore liners installed. He also plans on lowering his stem, but there was not talk about a remote shock lockout, an option that we've seen from both Fox and RockShox.
Phil Atwill Bike Check
Schwalbe Rock Razor rear tire with a Magic Mary up front - both protected by ProCore liners.

bigquotesIt is actually embarrassing that Leogang could present this track to the world as as their World Cup course. It is a joke.


Phil Atwill Bike Check
Funn 785 millimeter wide Fatboy Supreme handlebar with soft-tip locking grips.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
X-Fusion RV1 fork with firm spring with 6 Euro coins used as preload spacers. Sticky compound Addix rubber Magic Mary tire. Zelvy PDL DH carbon rims (30mm IW) on both ends.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
Fifty millimeter stem clamps with ten millimeters of spacers. "I may take those out for the race to lower the bars."

Phil Atwill Bike Check
The Propain frame has a switchable head set chip that can change the wheelbase by ten millimeters. Atwill prefers the longer of the two.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
Phil prefers the flat lever angle that is gaining popularity in the pro ranks.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
SRAM Code RSC brakes with the lever blades set quite far from the grips.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
X-Fusion Vector Coil shock with a Super Alloy 475-pound spring.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
Funn crankset, chain guide and Mamba pedals. The chainring is a 36-tooth.

Phil Atwill Bike Check
A close look at the two-way axle chip - set long to add ten millimeters to the wheelbase.
Phil Atwill Bike Check
SRAM Centerline rotors, 200 millimeters on both wheels.





89 Comments

  • + 198
 But where is the hardtail?
  • + 50
 From both a publicity and protest point of view, it would be a smart decision.
  • + 32
 Phil mentioned that the higher ups might not be too happy with him, but the sheer propain publicity would surely outweigh the thrown race?
  • + 17
 @medievalbiking: Wyn asked Ben Reid (Phils manager) and he said go for it
  • + 27
 According to instagram Atwill currently at top of track with number plate on HT.
  • - 26
flag cmkneeland (Jun 9, 2017 at 3:35) (Below Threshold)
 With all the pussy wheels and now this pussy track, this guy could single handedly save downhill by racing a hardtail. There's no room for pussies is this sport.
  • + 7
 A 29er Hardtail at that. Nino Schurter anyone???
  • + 82
 Richie Rude should show up on his SB6 and take the win.
  • + 38
 Gwin on a Jeffsy FTW!
  • + 110
 @dtax: Minaar on the Nomad, I mean Bronson, I mean LT Hightower, oh, I don't know anymore...
  • + 10
 @Ron-C: u mean 5010?
  • + 15
 @Ron-C: Bromad maybe? Homad seems like a lawsuit just waiting to happen...
  • + 56
 If the track is that easy go win and then bitch about it.
  • + 26
 *cough* Bruni...
  • + 13
 come race day, I'd wager that the people on top of the podium won't be saying it was "too easy and bike parky"
  • + 53
 Thats not really the point though. They all cut their teeth on steep, rocky, greasy, root infested madness to get to the top of tbe sport, then race on a bmx track. I can understand the gripes.
It does however make for tight racing Smile
  • + 8
 @ajayflex: I agree with this guy. It may still be a race and a challenge but it's not the challenge these riders prepared for and due to that fact might create a race that does not finish with results fair to each riders respective amount of skill.
  • + 0
 @ajayflex: exactly. and if there is a tame track, go faster until it stops being dull
  • + 7
 How true is it that Red Bull have had an input into making all the tracks easier to make the races closer for its TV coverage?
Could it be that sponsors are destroying our sport?
If this is the case, it mean's sponsors are responsible for the new DH29er which seems weird...
  • + 9
 Its too easy to ride for everyone, so winning is harder. Very little room for error, very minimal time differences. On a course like val di sole the gaps are much larger. Basically the faster peddlers will do better making a dull race. Not what I want to see in DH
  • + 3
 @Dustfarther: That doesn't make any sense. I think road cycling tracks are easy but that doesn't mean I can win on them. The whole point is that 70% of the track is not downhill worthy and not technically challenging, which is exactly what downhill is about. This track is rather about who is most roadie (purely who has the most leg power) rather than who has most bike control, what downhill is all about.
  • + 9
 @Mattin: Right, leg power Wink That's how Gwin won with no chain, all that pedaling he got in out of the starting gate
  • + 3
 @Lagr1980: but by that logic you could have a smooth road course that simply gently meanders left to right down the hill. Not what people want to see in a dh race I'd of thought.
  • + 1
 @Mattin: I understand what you are saying but I think @justindisgustin has it correct. It's not a road race, but more like a BMX race. The track isn't difficult but riding it with the most speed possible is still hard. It just comes down to a lot smaller time differences... e.g. the guy who made it through a couple corners .05 seconds quicker. So yes it's more about pedaling and just squeezing out as much speed from the track as possible, which certainly takes bike control and skill and is challenging, it's just that it makes
  • + 2
 @justindisgustin: you think the course favors "faster pedalers" and yet it was won last year chainless? Makes a lot of sense...
  • + 2
 @lccomz: Haha good point. What I'm getting at is it should be about who can be the fastest through the techy stuff, not who can gain a split second tucking on a motorway. Basically put the tracks back in the forest with a little piste section to finish on... Expect further rants at bmx park lenzerheide
  • + 1
 You guys do know all the fuss about the track is because they changed it for this year? They've made it much smoother and easier. So it's a bit unfair to say it's not a pedaling track because last year Gwin won on a track that was much harder than this one. Comparing it to last year is missing the point about all the riders complaining how they changed it this year.
  • + 0
 @Mattin: it is the job of UCI pro DH racers to show up race week, evaluate the track, practice, and on race day try to get safely down the track in the fastest time. That is the challenge. Complaining that you don't like the track is pointless. Wasting a practice run on your hardtail is pointless and borderline unprofessional. And people wonder why 95% of these guys struggle to make a living at it...
  • + 5
 @lccomz: I would argue that the job of a pro DH racer is to promote the brand that pays them. This can be done in a number of ways, most obviously by winning races. However, Phil has promoted himself and his sponsors with the whole hardtail thing, so I don't think this is unprofessional at all, quite the opposite.
  • + 2
 @kiksy: +1. Times are changing, winning races gets less value for sponsors, while creating a huge (online) fan base is slowly taking over. Phil is becoming a personality in the sport, which is exactly what you'd want as a sponsor. And at the same time he's an extremely talented new young gun, who I expect will end up on the top 3 winners stage plenty of times soon.
  • + 34
 I like Phil atwill. I think he's a right funny fucker. Good luck Phil if you're reading this!
  • + 14
 yeeeee more edits from phil pls @caldwellvisuals
  • + 1
 Is he a comedian, or a professional bicycle racer?
  • + 2
 @lccomz: I think he's a bit of both. That's what's so appealing about his edits. Let's face it, a lot sportsmen could do with a bit more personality.
  • + 22
 Should of bike checked this one for that track

www.instagram.com/p/BVF_u_zFYXS
  • + 2
 I've just ordered one haha
  • + 16
 Ok, Ok. I love my natural gas, but after seeing this, I'm switching to Propain.
  • + 2
 Propain's a helluva bike.
  • + 11
 I wish I could sell these in the shop just so I could say "I sell Propain and Propain accessories..." on a daily basis..
  • + 15
 Hey Propain, any sales plan in the US market soon? I'd love to try Tyee!
  • + 3
 +1 to this. I'm dying for a spindrift but not sure how to get my hands on one!
  • + 2
 @ejopdahl: Want me to ship you one over? in 1 month germany
  • + 1
 Amazing suspension, small brand but we spoke several times and always they are there rider for rider, have a tyee raw carbon 5 mounts ago , stokes, small details ...
They are mostly on line brand
You know that they won't ship to the USA?
You can always asked them
  • + 1
 I'd be down! I'll pm you. @Downdahill:
  • + 5
 From PROPAIN:

3 position headset adjustment and 20mm in total that is.

And yeah we currently do NOT ship to the US because of insurance issues. We are working on it but it will not happen this year I think.

Cheers for the great feedback on our bikes.

I m off to Leogang now...
  • + 1
 Thanks for the heads up! Then, is it possible to order and pick up a frame at your headquarter?
  • + 2
 @Loki87

> it is not a proper track to challenge the worlds best

The steep rooty section in fort william did challenge the world's best (half of them walked it or OTBed) and many of those world's best still complained.

I feel that people just want to complain.
  • + 6
 but will it hold a large water bottle in the front triangle?
  • + 5
 I often wonder if Phil was named after the old Ice Cube album Kill at Will....
  • + 6
 I think it's gorgeous! Super clean. Moto style.
  • + 4
 As a fellow 1.82m person, it's not just over 6 foot, it's just under.

What wheels do they run? The hubs sound great.
  • + 4
 whew... Sram Centerline and 200 millimetres blurred together to make 200 centimetre rotors... nightmares...
  • + 38
 username checks out
  • + 3
 Dam thats a sexy bike, put that thing on a ship and get it for sale stateside!!
  • + 4
 Propain bikes are awesome. I love my Spindrift
  • + 1
 ...and i LOVE my Tyee! The Spindrift would be easily enough for this track. Imagine, Phil would give this a go...
  • + 1
 @Gabber How does the Spindrift pedal (for a 180mm bike)?
  • + 3
 @samty: Better than most 160 enduro bikes I've owned. Done a few 40km+ spins on it now with well over 1000m climbing and its been no problem at all.
  • + 2
 @samty: I´m very happy with my Spindrift. For a 180mm bike it pedals very good, but currently I´m injured ( fotos.mtb-news.de/p/2146323 ) and before this I only rode two days. Thus I wasn´t able to test it enough. But until now I´m not disappointed. My use is mosty for bikeparks. I use two rear wheels. One with a High Roller and 7 speed casssette and one rear wheel with a lighter tire with the Xg1150, which was on the bike when I got it. So I don´t need two bikes (All Mountain/Enduro for uphills and a downhiller for downhills). With this bike I can ride everything.
  • + 2
 Phil rode the hardtail down the track.

www.instagram.com/p/BVIifyNlWi1/?hl=en
  • + 0
 Why does this not have more likes
  • + 1
 Well maybe he should stop racing if he does not like the tracks, that's better then just just jumping on the hate-train without giving any pro-active feedback.
  • + 3
 i think his feedback actually was pretty pro-active... if something like that is even possible.
  • + 4
 That fork is money
  • + 2
 Anybody else have feedback on X-Fusion DH forks? I haven't heard much and would like to hear peoples' experiences and comparisons.
  • + 32
 @Ron-C: i've heard they're money
  • + 5
 @wpplayer18:... I too heard they are not free
  • + 3
 I was just making a joke about using coins as volume spacers... no clue how it performs but the one x-fusion fork I've tried felt really good.
  • + 1
 @Ron-C: had one for a couple seasons with out the roughcut damper, just the normal h and l compression on the bottom.

Well made, tight tolerance internals. Stictionless, and loves to keep traction on the ground. The spring rates are very soft though. I was running xxfirm spring at 160lbs with still 18% sag.

Otherwise it is very plush and has a tendancy to dive in its travel a bit more than I liked on steep terrain, but stayed high in its travel. This forks damping over rough ground is money. Feels like an oil filled cadilac, wallowy and smooth as hell!
  • + 3
 @src248: €6 coins in the forks for preload spacers. Brilliant.
  • + 1
 This thing reminds me so much of my old Giant DH ! Anyone think the rage rides/feels somewhat similar ?
  • + 1
 Damn that's a good looking machine right there.
  • + 1
 Hmm...SRAM brakes...IIRC he used to ride Formula brakes before, or not? Big Grin
  • + 1
 Gotta love the rockshox spacer! Free advertising there
  • + 1
 PeoCore liners?
  • + 18
 Fill yer tires with frozen peas. $100 per tire.
  • + 1
 So rad!! Take my money.
  • + 1
 That's what she said?
  • + 1
 foes
  • + 1
 Almost but close
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