Pinkbike Awards: Value Mountain Bike of the Year Nominees

Dec 6, 2018 at 11:42
by Richard Cunningham  


Value Mountain Bike of the Year Nominees


This year saw Pinkbike make a concerted effort to include more affordable options in our portfolio of bike reviews. The response was overwhelmingly favorable, so we will continue to search for the most promising examples and give them proper shakedowns. For 2018, we've nominated five affordable trail bikes from the likes of Marin, Polygon, Specialized, Transition, and Whyte. Prices range from $2,400 to $3,600 USD, and we've included designs with both 27.5 and 29-inch wheels that span the gamut between XC/trail and enduro racing. The winning bike will need to be a versatile machine that performs well above its asking price.









Why it's nominated

Priced at only $2,749 USD, Marin's Alpine Trail 7 exceeded expectations, with a solid build and performance to match. Marin designed it for seasoned trail riders on a budget, with 29-inch wheels, up-to-date frame geometry, just-right suspension performance, and four intelligently proportioned size options. Marin's aluminum chassis is kept simple, with a time-proven, 150-millimeter-travel, linkage-driven single pivot rear suspension. Its X-Fusion 02 RXC shock is paired with a capable, 160-millimeter RockShox Yaris RC fork. Up top, 800-millimeter bars and a 150-millimeter dropper underscore the purpose of the bike.

Riding the Trail 7 showcases the importance of modern geometry. Its 65-degree head-tube angle, extended reach and big wheels will have you searching for the harder lines on the downs, and while its rear suspension may bob a little too much for fastidious XC riders, Marin's choice to err on the supple side, combined with the bike's 76-degree seat-tube angle, makes short work of the steeper and more technical climbs, where you'll need the most help. Test rider Paul Aston sums up the Alpine Trail 7 as, "an easy bike to ride."


From the First Ride:

bigquotesThe normal protocol on a media ride is to hand out the highest tier machine, which has the lightest, most refined components and best suspension. In reality, the bike that most people will buy will be the lower-level clunky tank. In this case, I rode the lower level Alpine Trail 7, and I wouldn't change a thing. Paul Aston







Why it's nominated

Specialized's 140-millimeter-travel, aluminum-framed Stumpjumper EVO 29 retails for $3,620 USD, which may not seem all that affordable to some. What earns its nomination, however, is that the EVO 29 is a preview - a chance for Specialized to take long-low-and-slack to a new level without re-tooling the entire Stumpjumper range. As a result, if you wanted to go all in on big wheels and rider-forward geometry, you could buy this 29-inch-wheel monster truck from Specialized for a little more than it would cost to get a frame from the likes of Pole or Nicolai. Or, you can look at it differently: for under four grand, you could already be riding an aluminum version of next year's $10,000 carbon superbikes that the big S is still busy carving the molds for. We could be wrong.... But?

How does it ride? Well, its 63.5-degree head tube angle is the same as the Demo 8 DH bike, its seat angle is 75.6 degrees and its ground-scraping bottom bracket starts at 328 millimeters. Add a 475 millimeter reach and you've got the right bike for taking the shortest path to the bottom of the mountain - any mountain. Its parts pick reflects its affordable MSRP, but all the important bits are shred worthy - a 150-millimeter Fox 36 Rhythm fork, DPX2 shock, and a SRAM NX 12-speed drivetrain - and it's got Code brakes with big rotors. Test rider Mike Kazimer said he posted his best time down one of the most technical of his home trails, and it felt like he was out for a casual cruise. Oh, and it climbs okay too.


From the review:

bigquotesThe Stumpy EVO isn’t as well-rounded as the standard Stumpjumper, but it’s not meant to be. It's more of a niche bike, a specialist aimed at riders looking for something with boundary-pushing geometry that can take on seriously rowdy terrain.Mike Kazimer





Why it's nominated

"Enduro" has become a surname, especially within the ranks of affordable trail bikes, where it is commonly used to extract a higher price for an otherwise unworthy design. Whyte's G-170 S calls out the fakes with what may be the most capable mountain bike you can buy near its asking price of $2,399 USD. To begin with, tire inserts are standard equipment for its 27.5-inch wheels. Its Horst-Link rear suspension sports 170 millimeters of wheel travel, and all of the moving bits, including the seat mast, are sealed. Paired with its RockShox Deluxe damper, is a 180-millimeter Yari fork (Charger equipped) with a reduced, 37-millimeter offset. The Whyte-branded cockpit sports 780-millimeter bars a 150 dropper and a 35 millimeter stem. We're boring you with the specs to drive home the fact that the G-170 S is truly a needs-nothing bike

What impressed us most about the G-170 was riding it. Its aluminum chassis is sturdy as hell, so it can hold a line over rocks and roots that would give pause to many big-bike riders. Whyte is on the long-and-slack program too, with a 65-degree head angle and reaches from 436 to 496 millimeters across four sizes. Add those attributes to gravity-length travel and a low bottom bracket, and you have a fearless partner that will gladly one-up you on any downhill you have the seeds to attempt. When the trail turns upward, though, don't expect miracles. Our medium-sized test bike weighed 34 pounds and change, but take your time and you'll discover that its kinematics, NX 12 speed transmission and 30-tooth chainring are truly pedal-friendly. If you want an affordable enduro racer, look no further.


From the Field Test:

bigquotesThe Whyte's unusual profile and near DH-bike heft made it the last bike I wanted to ride during the Whistler sessions. After throwing a leg over it, however, the G-170 became the first bike I reached for, especially when I wanted to cut loose from the test loops and try some new lines. RC







Why it's nominated

What your bike stands for is nearly as important to many of us as its performance. Transition Bikes has earned a fiercely loyal following for being a "rider-owned" bike brand that sticks to the basics: handling, pedaling, versatility, durability and ease of maintenance. Based in Bellingham, Washington, you'd expect them to build bikes with a bias towards technically difficult trails that are greased regularly by Mother Nature. All of the above pretty much sums up what the modestly outfitted, 130-millimeter-travel Scout represents.

Built around its namesake Eagle drivetrain, the $2,999 USD Scout NX has a beautifully constructed aluminum frame that is based upon 27.5-inch wheels. This was one of the first trail bikes to feature a reduced offset fork to balance its slack, 65-degree head-tube angle. Its steering is light at the grips and sure at speed. Reach varies from 400 millimeters to 500 millimeters through five size options - long, but not such that the Scout loses its dexterity for tight switchbacks and forest singletracks. The Scout's 150-millimeter RockShox Revelation RC fork outshines the Deluxe RT shock, but this bike feels planted over chattery roots, and that solid feeling underfoot continues well past the point where the Scout runs out of rear suspension. On the same subject, the Scout's tail end doesn't firm up much under power - which is a negative for smooth, steady uphill slogs, but some degree of suppleness is necessary to maintain traction and momentum over the Northwest's signature roots and embedded rocks.


From the Field Test:

bigquotesTransition's Scout Alloy NX is versatile, capable and dependable - the three ingredients necessary to build a lasting friendship. If your home trails resemble those of the Pacific Northwest, you're going to want to keep this bike for a long time. RC








Why it's nominated

Polygon's $2,499 USD Siskiu T8 slots into the do-it-all trail bike category, with 29-inch wheels, 140 millimeters of rear-wheel travel, responsive handling, and pedaling firmness that approaches competitors with five-digit sticker prices. The soul of this machine, its aluminum frame, sports a simple, single-pivot swingarm/linkage-driven shock arrangement. Its RockShox Deluxe RT3 damper works with the chassis to provide firm mid-stroke support (which explains much of the Siskiu's goodness under power), but its 140-millimeter RockShox Revelation RC fork does the heavy lifting when the trail turns ugly.

Polygon's mix and match 11-speed drivetrain pairs Shimano XT shifting with a wide-range and well spaced 11 x 46 Sunrace cassette. Efficient pedaling and positive rear grip make up for the Siskiu's less-than-smooth suspension action while climbing up and over chunky terrain. With finesse, it found its way up some impressive steeps. Point it downwards and its intuitive steering, and pro-feeling generic cockpit will have you racing for a personal best. Remember, though, that the Siskiu is a trail bike. It can handle a pro gravity line, but you'll need to keep your speed in check to stay within its comfort zone. Fast-paced trails, peppered with technical problems - that's the stuff this bike is made for. With geometry that stops shy of the current trend, it jumps and slashes like a big-wheel gate racer. If playful and efficient are on the top of your list, Polygon's Siskiu delivers the goods for a remarkably low sticker price.


From the review:

bigquotesPolygon's modern version of the basic mountain bike isn't afraid of technical trails and it rips on flow lines. The components are intelligently chosen, and the quality of its 140-millimeter aluminum chassis sits well above the Siskiu's $2,499 pay grade. RC










126 Comments

  • + 147
 Really, you call that value? Never heard of Commencal, Propain, YT, Radon, Canyon?
  • - 125
flag JeremyLomenick (Dec 13, 2018 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 Screw direct to consumer bikes, support your freakin bike shops instead of putting them out of business!
  • + 55
 @JeremyLomenick: adapt and overcome...or be forced into obscurity.
  • + 55
 BuT wHaT aBoUt Yt?

Every thread, every time.
  • + 44
 @JeremyLomenick: There are many ways to support your local shop without buying a bike from them.

I’ve never understood this bizarre mentality of supporting a local shop. Buy the bike YOU want. The majority of local shops can only have a small range of bikes and will often try and sell you the one they’ve got in stock rather than the one you actually want. We are consumers. We have a choice. Limited yourself to a local shop is bizarre.
  • + 110
 @sinatorj: Shop owner here. Big thumbs up! We are growing well faster than any other shop I’m aware of. We service lots of “direct” bikes. Doesn’t make a difference to me. Business has always been about “adapt or die” and we are proof that’s true
  • + 13
 @HurricaneCycles: there’s the right mentality there! Well done.
  • + 3
 PB has a preference for traditional brands sold thru LBSs and I think that's fine. So why not just start a new category for best value direct sales bikes? It's a different business model. Comparing the value of a traditional brand that goes thru the LBS middleman with a direct sales brand is just inane. Some people place value in dealing with an LBS, some people don't. All of us would be better served with a comment section not crowded with people (for lack of a better word) whining about why YT/Canyon/whatever is getting overlooked again.
  • + 5
 @jamesdunford: I rode with a couple guys who worked in shops before, and they say, to my surprise, that shops barely make money in brand new bikes, that shops make most of their profit in all the other stuff
  • - 7
flag getsomesy (Dec 13, 2018 at 11:15) (Below Threshold)
 @JeremyLomenick:

Most LBS suck
  • + 5
 Definitely the way to be if the customer trusts in your abilities and brings it to you why alienate,take that service ,earn the customer they are still a cyclist and that’s a chance to make business! Good call @HurricaneCycles:
  • + 4
 @Rusettipasta: there's literally no better word to describe people than people.
  • + 4
 No Calibre Bossnut?? Insane value and a great entry level bike that they have reviewed
  • + 10
 @Perra, who? Just kidding. We're obviously familiar with those brands, and we reviewed bikes from YT, Canyon, and Commencal this year. In fact, Commencal is in the running for Bike of the Year. For this category, these are the bikes that we spent a good bit of time on that offered a good value and good performance.
  • + 2
 These brands don’t need help selling but the ones in the article do need Commencal & YT only need help building more bikes they can’t fill orders fast enuff
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: Thanks for clearing up the fact that you weren't that hot on any of the direct sales bikes this year!
  • + 1
 @sewer-rat: I agree, maybe if it had better availability. I bought a Calibre road bike to train on about a year ago and it has been amazing. Good spec, great ride & very affordable.
tup
  • + 3
 #nukeproof
  • + 0
 YT¿¿¿¿¿
  • + 0
 @luis-beri: o but of course, there it is again. BuT wHaT aBoUt Yt?
  • + 34
 The Transition Scout is a sleeper. Just as great as any other Transition. Just didn't get much attention because it has 27.5 wheels.
  • + 9
 I don’t think any of their bikes get the acclaim they deserve at any wheel size.
  • + 1
 @DrPete: the patrol got bike of the year in 2017. But I agree that they don’t get the magnitude of attention/praise they deserve.
  • + 32
 Consumer direct brands are the real value for money bikes
  • + 18
 Hell yeah for the Scout. Plus, the 2019 build kit is even better than the 2018 I bought (although discounted at end of model year), with the 12 speed Eagle NX, better dropper post, slightly wider tires, etc. The Revelation RC definitely needs the charger damper, and I went to Shimano brakes by preference, but god damn this bike is good out of the box.
  • + 3
 Having owned 3 bikes since my 2018 scout, I want the scout back.... Shows how good it was...
  • + 18
 @theging: Maybe get it for your 6th 2019 bike.
  • + 12
 agreed. i was expecting to see a GG on this list. 3k for a decent spec bike with a US made frame...
  • + 13
 This will be a good place to point the "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH THIS BIKE COSTS $9000 THE BIKE INDUSTRY IS STUPID" pants on head morons in the comments in every bike review.

These bikes are better than any bike at any price 5 or 10 years ago and we have the expensive bikes doing the development to thank for it.
  • + 3
 Well then. There you have it folks!
  • + 12
 I'm pretty sure you don't need $9000 bikes to try welding tubes at slightly different angles.
  • + 0
 @red720: That's true enough but you couldn't have stuck a 64 degree head angle on the bikes from early days, the fork would have bound up and the head tube would have snapped off. The suspension technology and the materials and techniques developed for the frames are improved on the top of the line stuff, not on the cheap stuff.

It also takes a ton of money to build iterative prototypes and test ideas, hire people to design the bikes who are good enough to not just take existing, known working geometry and make it look good but create something new and different that actually works well.
  • + 17
 Guerrilla Gravity Smash
  • + 10
 Average price of these nominees: $2,850. I get that "value" doesn't necessarily mean cheap, but come on...

Anybody interested in "value" ought to seriously consider whether a hardtail will fit their needs. I get that this is a gravity-focused site but I'm a little disappointed to see not a single HT on this list.
  • + 4
 great point. i got a HT to make my lame-o local trails more fun, and it will go anywhere.
  • + 2
 @savagelake: Word. I got a HT because I didn't want to drop $3K to get into the sport, but I keep getting HTs because they're more fun on 90% of the trails I ride. My friends who have both FS and HT ride their HTs far more than their FS and are consistently faster on their HTs at our local trails. The rare times I ride somewhere that I might want the extra squish, I'll go ahead and rent a carbon super-bike that I can thrash and give back at the end of the day.
  • + 3
 Agreed maybe they need to do a “value” hardtail list as well!
  • + 1
 that's pretty cheap.
  • + 1
 Agreed. Have a fancy bike, but I find myself riding my £350 (plus upgrades) Genesis almost as much. Flexy steel, bad geo, but what a laugh!
  • + 11
 i though the diamondback release was already deemed the unequivocal best bang for your buck bike for 2018? maybe not...
  • + 1
 Yeah but it's not new for 2018/19?
  • + 6
 @RockyMountainBicycles thunderbolt starts at 1999 USD with the same geometry as the top carbon models... not only that, there are MANY models in between.. shame to leave it off this list.

also, Altitude starts sub 3 and there are two Instinct models in the 3 range as well!

Award for company that offers multiple models with identical geometry to the top spec versions at entry level pricing?
  • + 11
 Scout
  • + 5
 I purchased the Stumpy Evo S3 29'er after reading Mike's review on one. Online reviews never persuade me to purchase anything but something about his glowing report, the geo figures and that sick looking raw frame made me take a closer look.

Without too much trouble, I received a significant discount from RRP here in Australia, bringing it bang on with the base level Commencal Meta and YT capra equivalent. Having come from a 2015 Enduro 650b and the frustration of proprietary shocks and very linear suspension curves, going back to the Big S was a gamble.

What a gamble it was, this thing flat out rips. Climbs, traverses and goes down hill like a rocket. The fox 36 Rhythm is great and the DPX2 rear also is also competent. NX Eagle does what I ask of it even if it is a big heavy in the cassette.

Only gripe is the BB is too low in "low" mode. But in High it's still 64 Degree head angle which is bonkers for a trail bike. A 160mm air shaft and 55mm stroke coil is going in to be the ultimate big wheel steam roller.

Hat's off to the Big S on this bike. It's caviar performance on canned tuna money!
  • + 5
 I would venture that most of these bikes are not "value bikes" but just low specd aluminum framed bikes. I would like to see some true value options shown up here to do the customer some justice. No one getting into the sport thinks a 2500$ bike is a freaking value... Let alone 3600$.
  • + 5
 Sigh, these are not "Value Bikes", theyre just "Mountain Bikes" - All the other plastic bikes this industry pushes for double, sometimes triple the price should be the ones being labeled. Something like "Luxury Priced Bikes".
  • + 3
 Brah, they be labeled already. Aka "Dentist Bikes". I don't love it but it seems to have stuck lol
  • + 9
 The best value bike is the one that gets you riding. Nuff said.
  • + 8
 The Scout !
  • + 3
 I cant wait for the day when you can get a capable new 150mm trail bike for under $1999 boo terrifs boo mark ups! Ideally if a good bike was under $1000 the sport would be so much more accessible and its popularity would also grow ten fold. Look at skateboarding you can easily get a great board with top of the line gear for about $100. Look at how much it has taken off since the days of Dog Town and Z Boys. I guess i should just keep skating haha but once you catch the dh bug you are hooked! It just gets annoying hearing about grams this carbon that tech this future that lets just grow the sport and ride some damn bikes!!!!
  • + 1
 You can get a pretty decent FS Bike man for roughly that price. Calibre Bossnut. It's not a 150 enduro bike but pretty ideal for newcomers to the sport. I just bought their Astronut DJ and it was 600$ and 660$ shipped to the states in 5 days. Freaking awesome.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: wow good to know how do you like fmx jumps at post canyon???
  • + 1
 @nate0852: ha. You know the Hood a bit. Man...we hangout with Gary the legend who builds all that stuff but unfortunately I lack the skills/cojones to go big on the freeride trails up there off Binns. We build on them a bit tho. My little 6yro is working up to it and rides a bit of Extended Play gaps now...he'll hit that stuff well before me I think =). We do have a sick velo pump track now tho at the high school hence the Astronut.
  • + 4
 I'm ok with the sport not getting more popular.
  • + 3
 When you are talking about best overall bike value....where the bike comes from should have zero influence. Be that from bike shop or direct sales. And there is just no getting around the fact that direct sales like YT and Commecal own the best bang for your buck category. period.
  • + 2
 This is such a push for specialied... one major brand and all local brands... where are all the treks, sc, yt, etc etc that are better than this tank? I was wondwring why they were not included in “best mtb”... now I understand. I have heard their sales are down by a good margin.
  • + 5
 Why not a Calibre FS Bossnut? I mean a thousand pounds for a decent FS isn't bad.
  • + 4
 Fezzari La Sal Peak: 29er, full carbon, Lyrik RCT3, Super Deluxe RC3, NX drive train. $3600. Can't beat that.
www.fezzari.com/lasal#gallery1318-1
  • + 12
 also ugly af
  • + 2
 @easyslorider: Eh fair...ish. There are a bunch of way uglier bikes out there that are way higher priced. But sure, she ain't the most beautiful.
  • + 1
 Substitute aluminum for carbon and knock $1000 of the price and I would say it has itself beat...
  • + 3
 It’s just some weird hang up I have but it just seems like some marketing team decided that a little Italian flair sounds bike-y so they should just take a sporty Italian brand like Ferrari and just throw some Z’s in there.
  • + 2
 A $3000-$3600 as a "value" bike... C'mon.

This is a value bike: www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/nukeproof-scout-275-comp-mountain-bike-2019/rp-prod170311

This is a value bike: www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/vitus-sommet-mountain-bike-nx-1x11-2019/rp-prod179057?mx=a

This is a value bike: www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/cube-stereo-120-pro-27-5-suspension-bike-2018/rp-prod165611

Take a moment to think like a consumer, and not like someone who is in the industry any time you want to post "value" articles, boys. The Whyte and the Polygon are decent looks, so credit for those!
  • + 1
 I'm so glad the Whyte won. One of the two bikes that actually represented value go the W. Good on ya, Pinkbike- let's just see some more real contenders in the bracket next time! Smile
  • + 2
 The EVO? Best value maybe for its self.
The Whyte? Best value for a 34lb 180mm travel non- dual crown bike? Maybe against what, the EVO?. Too many regular mountain bikes out there that fit the bill for the majority of riders. Maybe PB should test somewhere besides Whistler.
  • + 4
 So
The Giant Trance 2 you loved is missing from this list
#RichardCunningham
Why?
  • + 4
 Guerrilla Gravity Megatrail/Shred Dogg. Two bikes by swapping out the shock. Doesn’t get much more value than that!
  • + 1
 Factory direct, not consumer-direct, is the best value. Unfortunately the only factories selling consumer-direct frames en masse right now are in China, but you can get carbon frames for 1/4 the cost of consumer-direct brands, same quality. Yes.

Building up a factory-direct frame with factory-direct rims and cockpit is *ALWAYS* cheaper than consumer-direct as long as you choose your components wisely and support low-markup brands and buy Shimano, not SRAM.

There has never been a more exciting time to buy factory-direct, the offerings are progressing rapidly as more and more designers are tasked with dreaming up amazing catalog frames.
  • + 4
 We approve this message. Buy factory direct from a factory in America \m/
  • + 0
 I dont know how YT isn't in here... You can get a mid range TUES for $2500. If I were to get new trail bike, I think I'd be sold on a Jeffsy. Carbon frame, RS RCT3 sus, E13 wheelset, XT drivetrain, Guide RS brakes, and all for $3k?! thats a steal to me.
  • + 5
 +1 for the Scout.
  • + 1
 After many years not having a 'Big Bike' (last one was a Giant Glory) I decided that a 'Super Enduro' would wet my whistle. Well I got the Whyte G170 'Works Carbon' and it is a BEAST!!! Now just have to wait for spring.
  • + 2
 I hate specialized after owning a previous gen stumpy, but damn that stumpy is mint!
  • + 1
 Intense has the best equipped bikes for the money. I bought a 2018 primer expert build and didn't need to change a thing on it.
  • + 0
 Dear Pinkbike, there is some hint on whyte site that g170 and g170 29er share the same frame. Could you confirm or deny this? Because if yes then one could buy the alu model and make it a 29er
  • + 1
 I just got the G170 'Works' and I know from looking at the rear it looks like a 29 would fit. It can handle 2.8 27.5 too
  • + 1
 Bb drop / height will be different. Maybe something little like shock / linkage position.
  • + 1
 @getsomesy: All I can tell you is that the BB on the 27.5 is low......well, not low but LOW!
  • + 1
 You need to be a complete idiot to negprop somebody asking a question...

Quote from G-170C 29er description: " The G-170 was always designed with both wheel sizes in mind - this modularity gives us the ability to offer both wheel sizes to suit your style."

29er BBH -> 350, 27.5 BBH -> 333. 29er fork -> 160mm, 27.5 fork -> 180mm.
  • + 2
 The real winner is the Aluminum Trek Slash. I can't believe it's not nominated. FAIL.
  • + 1
 How did the Ibis DV9 not get nominated?

Carbon frame, Sram GX, Fox Float factory fork and a 7 year warranty for $3300.
  • - 1
 Thanks, more of this please. Any of these will make your day. The Marin has Shimano. My guess is the biggest performance difference between them and an elite bike is in the wheels.
  • + 1
 I'd love to ride that Alpine Trail. Wish there were more impressions out there from people who have been on one.
  • + 2
 Surprised that the new Norco Fluid isn't on this list...
  • + 1
 Norco for life
  • + 1
 The Whyte-uh yes, please! Great article, definitely more like this, please.
  • + 1
 Such a hard choice!!! The Specilized and Transition seem like the best bang for buck with the latest geometry
  • + 1
 Evo will win bc of ride characteristics alone. Such a sick bike.
  • + 2
 whyte definitely
  • + 1
 Marin and Polygon ????????
  • + 2
 Scout +1
  • + 2
 Where's the trance two?
  • + 4
 Because no T
  • + 0
 Ride a propain spindrift and then tell me about yt
  • + 1
 No Calibre or DiamondBack choices on the list?
  • + 0
 Disagree PB.. I've owned several bikes and you can't beat YT for what you get.. Super nice bike for the $$.
  • + 1
 expensive cassette to replace is a negative
  • + 1
 Specialized and the term "value" should not be used in the same sentence
  • + 1
 Stumpy Evo man. That thing is sick.
  • + 1
 What about the Fezzari La Sal Peak?
  • + 1
 My Alpine Trail is on order and February can't come soon enough!
  • + 1
 Did you go with the 7 or 8?
  • + 1
 @shydroxide: Nice. I am thinking the same.
  • + 1
 Came to see which YT was included....left to see YT was a pinkbike sponsor
  • - 1
 none of those equal my Giant Trance for value....sorry I just don't see it here even though they are all killer rides.
  • + 1
 Ibis DV9. Boom.
  • + 1
 Wow good news
  • + 1
 YT vs COMMENCAL
  • + 0
 WHERE ARE THE DOWNHILL BIKES!!!!!!!!!
  • - 1
 Whyte is looking hot. Transition also but it looks designwise like a commencal
  • + 2
 that seat tube :puke:
  • + 2
 Tastes are like assholes, everyone has one
  • + 1
 Whyte for me.
  • - 1
 All Bird bikes are better value than this, while also being better
  • - 1
 Not even close to YT value.
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