Startups: $300 Do-it-Yourself Wireless Shifting - Sea Otter 2017

 This times infinite.

 Seems the obvious setup for sealed gears.

 would help on a P18 fasure

 the grip shift has its advantages. in some bike check video from crank works a guy with a zerode said the grip shift was nice coming out of corners because you can twist the grip fast to get it into the gear you want instead of clicking a bunch with your thumb.

 If i'm not mistaken based on the programming you could set it up for a pinion as is...

 @rclugnut: pinion needs TWO cables - but, I think you are on to something. Especially as the issue with not being able to down shift under load is the lever force to actuate the shift. The gearbox itself can handle shifting under load. Just use a lovely little strong linear motor.....

 @jordanchaos have a look at EFFIGEAR
I ride a cavalerie anakin with a XX1 trigger
(www.pinkbike.com/news/cavalerie-anakin-first-ride-2016.html)

 as long as it's not wireless, I'm game for this. I believe Pinion is actually working on it now iirc. Have a small port connection on HT area for plug and play.

 @tommyboy831: Advantages like dropping the whole cassette range every time you bunny hop over something?

 I was already thinking about this (and didn't think to apply the idea to 1x drivetrains, so another of the 'why didn't i think of this moments') and was thinking whether a Eagle shifter could be made to work on a P1.12. I think it could function, there's just the issue of how strong the return spring inside the adapter black box needs to be in order to shift the pinion both ways...

Realistically, hands on experience with the gearbox would be needed to make this.

 @Primoz: Pinion uses two Shifter cables which is why it doesn't work with a traditional Shifter.

 @gonecoastal: you need to read a bit more closely or until the end. See, i wrote in a crucial piece of information: "there's just the issue of how strong the return spring inside the adapter black box needs to be in order to shift the pinion both ways".

I'm well aware how Pinion works. I'm not dreaming here, i'm actually thinking of how it could be achieved. And am also aware of potential issues.

 @Primoz: Shoot me a PM guys--I'd love to chat about this with you guys. The best scenario is NO spring--a linear motion device can provide positive traction in both directions and doesn't depend on a spring and cable-tension to motivate what's on the end. Eh. Burp. Brandon

 @Archer-Brandon: hey there. just want to say this look fantastically good and im so happy this is coming and i think you guys are great too. just a thought here.. not sure if anyone in the comments has mentioned it because i haven't read them all. or you have thought of but could the battery for the system not be charged by a dynamo or some sort. ? from each of your pedal strokes you charge up. but its not creating drag on the drive train when you freewheel. so for instance, it will be on and work when you pedal but you could switch the system around, to be working when freewheeling instead of pedal strokes.. the reason i think this could be beneficial for the shift mechanism that operates the derailleur , well its batteries we all know as soon as they get low stuff doesn't work as crisp as at full power, simply because it cant give reliable and consistent operation like we could with a wired setup. also i know the battery liife is good but what about when the power is low or gone? like if some was doing the mega avalanche or just far away from a power source. to be quite honest as well i would'nt want to be worring about that. have to detach it every night to get charge. i know your going to change to rf to give it more longevity too. so basically my thought are here for you, or is this all irrelivent because it not reliant on the battery? hopefully it makes sense to you guys . but having said all that i love it and i want one. thanks

 @odiOne: hey man SUPER INTERESTING!
Thank you. Had a good ready up on it.

 Sex Ed 101: Dix explained.

 The heart sees what it wants....

 says @nuttypoolog

 f*ck, now I've got that scene from The Sixth Sense where the kid says 'I see dead people' stuck in my head, except it's Jordie Lunn and he's saying 'I see dix...'

 @makripper: nice comeback...

 Congrats, somebody comes out with affordable electronic shifting and all you can see is dicks.

 @makripper Dix happens to be our pet name for the product.

Validation on PB sure does feel good!

 You took the words right out of my mouth...

 Damn, where I live those cables are $8

 Totally. I've had to change my cables like once in the last few years. And even then, my gears were shifting, just not super well. This electronic stuff makes no sense. Have to charge your shifter once a week? And if you don't, you legit can't shift at all? I'll take my rusty cables, thanks.

 I agree, also the idea that my shifter could run out of batterie bugs the fuck out if me

 In their defense, an eagle shifter is over $150.

 If only you could go buy one instead of shitting on new ideas on the internet.

 I think that like me you are happy to have an excuse as to why you can't do bars and tail whips. This seems like something for freeriding, slope and DJ.

 The boostrocity continues

 @Zay: I'm waiting for the next standard to be dropped on the willing consumer If I buy a SC 5101 v2 when will it be outdated?

 @rivercitycycles: a few hours after you swipe your card

 #superboost

 @rivercitycycles: If you go by my experience with the v1, it's approximately a month later...and if you're (un)lucky, your dealer won't even give you the heads up!

But guess what? My v1 hasn't exploded from lack of front or rear boostification, or because I use a 70mm stem instead of the en vogue 40-50mm that the v2 (as well as the industry) encourages or tells me I need. The bike is still a riot!

 Electronic shifting allows precise shifts every time, no matter the conditions. It provides an element of set and forget as you never need to adjust them

 @cliffdroper From my personal experience, I'd say that electronic shifting is great and it's hard to go back once you ride it. I was skeptical, in the same way that I didn't understand hydraulic brakes at first... my cable brakes work fine, why would I change? I thought the dropper post was a total gimmick too.... but it's ended up being a game changer. I'd put electronic shifting in the same group as those other two examples.

 @filmdrew: Well stated, tough to understand something until you've tried it. Even tougher to try it without a clouded judgment and expectation bias.

 @rrsport: maybe I'm really lucky or something, but I ride with an XO1/XX1 drivetrain combo (1x11) and haven't had to adjust it for the last two years, so that's that in terms of set and forget. The shifting is very precise and smooth, whether I ride in muddy or dry conditions. Maybe electronic shifting is indeed faster, which at this point must be a matter of milliseconds, a difference that I cannot pretend will change my global riding performance. Maybe Absalon feels the difference, but it looks like Schurter still rides reasonably fast with an old mechanical cable actuated drivetrain. I guess if you like to ride 2x10, then electronic shifting like Shimano's Di2 that automatically shifts through both front and rear at the same time might be handy, and actually, be a new riding experience, but I really fail to see a proper 'game changing' benefit of it on 1x set ups.

@filmdrew I see what you mean, but I was dreaming of hydraulic brakes as a kid, long before I could afford them and as soon as I heard about dropper post I was hysterically enthusiast about the concept, as in both cases I could really sense the difference it would be able to bring to my global riding experience (actually slowing down and not having to lower and lift up my saddle repeatedly on most of my rides). Same thing with 2x and later 1x setups, bigger wheels (I know...), tubeless setting, shorter stems etc. So I'm really not one of those conservative mountain bikers who sees any changing/evolution as a probable useless marketing BS that the bike industry is trying to force us into buying.

So can I admit there is a difference between electronic shifting and high end mechanical shifting ? Yes, technically, there is one, that can be measured and calculated and maybe even actually experienced whilst riding.

Do I think that it's benefits outweigh it's deficits/disadvantages ? Certainly not, as I'm more than reluctant to rely on electronics and electricity powered devices to be able to ride my bike. Not even mentioning the fact that if the electronic fails, on the trail side, you're basically just f****ed. Like modern cars.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I can see this as one step further towards an automated mtbike, that will, in a few years from now, analyze the terrain you're riding and shift automatically, change your suspensions settings (I know I know, this thing already exists) and lift and lower your dropper post accordingly, and maybe even pull your brakes for you as you're getting close to a certain speed at a certain angle. And that wouldn't even be the ebike version... The car (and motorbike) industry is already aiming towards these concepts, so believing that they won't eventually be implemented into cycling, might be a bit naive. Still, some might look forward to these days... Call me a hippie or whatever, but I'm still one of those riders that is simply mesmerized by the level of precision, technology, comfort, pleasure, quality, toughness and velocity that modern mtb bike builds have achieved, relying solely on man powered mechanical concepts.

 @filmdrew: Totally agree. Using SRAM eTap on my road bike for about 6 months now and will never go back. Now I'm eagerly awaiting XO1 eTap.

 @cliffdroper: ''Not even mentioning the fact that if the electronic fails, on the trail side, you're basically just f****ed. '' Same thing for hydro brakes!

 @Timo82: True, but you have two brakes, so you would really have to be unlucky to end up brakeless on the trail side

 @cliffdroper: what super cables are you running on you bike that XX1 works flawlessly after 2 years without being touched? We have the hardest time getting brand new ones to work out the vox! And I'm not hating, I have XX1 and it's always needing tweaks. Sram gears are the first to freeze up in cold weather when Shimano will work. They hate friction in cables. They are fussy beyond words. Unfortunately, this electronic system is not di2 and there for still had the worst part of a cable system. The bit that picks up the most dirt and moisture. The bit that affects shifts the most. So, though in principal this should make for wonderful consistent shifts at first, a bit of dirt and moisture will still render the system flawed..

 @clarky78: He's running the "bike sits in corner never getting used, cables"

 @rrsport: Sorry I couldn't reply sooner, I was riding my bike on my one and only annual bike ride day !
Get a life man, and try to enjoy it while you're at it.

 @clarky78: The stock ones. As I said before, maybe I'm just lucky, but that's been my experience so far. Do you also ride during the winter in Finland ? I never ride in such cold conditions tbh, so maybe that's one reason.

 I mean a shorter cable will develop less play from stretching so there's that.

 Well, it's a much shorter cable, so less build up of grime to contaminate the shifting. But, I think the point is, that considering that you can program the shift distance to go 1 gear at a time, then surely there is the possibility to program it to shift 5 or 6 gears at a time using a BOOST button (see what I did there?) That would save all those clickity clickity clicks. And it's cheaper than fully Di2 upgrading your bike.

 It would allow you to run gears on a dedicated SS frame without cable routing. Other than that and modifying it to run a pinion without a gripshift I dont see the point.

 @UtahBikeMike: If its a dedicated ss frame you generally don't have the ability to mount a derailleur...

 @UtahBikeMike: a dedicated SS frame would also have no derailleur hanger...

 reliable shifts in muddy conditions? andorra worlds 2015: riders having to retire because xtr di2 would upshift when clogged with mud. I saw many tears coming of the devastated riders

 would "only upshift" sorry

 @rrsport:

@rwb500:

Problemsolvers makes a derailleur mount for SS bikes, I've seen other companies as well.

I looked into it researching commuter bikes as surly 1x1s can be had for relatively cheap. I'd need gears, though as my commute is long and hilly. Ziptying a full length cable housing along the frame is your best option at this point.

 300 for a dix package.

 @makripper:

They sent you dix pics for free

 Exactly. The stuff like motorized seats and rear hatches is kinda cool, but every time I open my dads auto gate I think "when is this going to break.

My Tacoma on the other hand, zero fears

 Pretty much. I still prefere 3rd party making add-ons to traditional systems than having manufacturers force it on us though. As far as I am concerned, it is adding a layer of complexity to the most unreliable area of mountain bikes, no thanks. Another example of fixing a problem we don't have. Motorcycles have a lot more electronics and they still mostly use cables for the clutch.

 The shimano xt di2 rear derailleur has two springs in it..

 brain implants already exist. Hawkings has one. There's a great book called "The Future of the Mind" by Michio Kaku that covers it.

 @atrokz: Point is we are heading virtual. And if your Hawking and want to ride that's awesome. If you can already ride, why turn MTB into Mario kart?

 @Gasket-Jeff: I agree. Just stating that this technology exists. If someone was brave enough to volunteer for the experiment, I'm sure there's a university out there willing to put the sensors in your brain!

globalnews.ca/video/2645756/brain-chip-implant-helps-paralyzed-man-regain-control-of-hand

 @atrokz: Hey! Don't use Mario kart as a slur. Have some respect

 XShifter is tooled for production and almost ready to go. Just perfecting the software.

 More than a year later, and shipping more excuses than units....