Who's Using Remote Lockouts and Lots More Tech From Fort William

Jun 2, 2017 at 23:31
by Richard Cunningham  
Fox Coil remote lock out.
Fox Coil remote lock out.
Team Mondraker's secret weapon: Fox's prototype remote lockout uses two buttons, presumably, the smaller one is the release lever. The bits on the shock are adapted to the stock DHX2 housing.


Fox Coil remote lock out.
Fox's DHX2 remote lockout housing is printed. Go-fast factory parts don't get any fresher than that.


The Norco rigs get a bearing swap to make sure they are immaculate for Blenkinsop Smith and Fitzgerald tomorrow.
Norco's DH prototype DH bikes with their high-pivot reverse-action suspension get a bearing swap to make sure they are immaculate for Blenkinsop, Smith, and Fitzgerald tomorrow.


The Crankbrother s Stamp pedals aboard Operator of Connor Fearon.
The Crankbrother's Stamp pedals aboard the Operator for Connor Fearon.
Connor is using 7.5mm pins which should give him plenty of purchase.
Connor is using 7.5mm pins, which should give him plenty of purchase.


Air shock for Loris Vergier...
Air shock for Loris Vergier's Santa Cruz V10 29er...
...whist Greg Minnaar and Luca Shaw opt for the coil
...while Greg Minnaar and Luca Shaw opt for the coil
Greg Minnaar s mechanic Jason Marsh prepping some big wheels for some hard action this weekend.
Greg Minnaar's mechanic, Jason Marsh, prepping some 29er wheels for some hard action.


Graeme Mudd is aboard the new Trek 29er this weekend flying the flag for the team in the elite men as Gee Atherton recovers from his dislocated hip.
Graeme Mudd is aboard the new Session 29er, flying the flag for Trek Factory Racing's elite men as Gee Atherton recovers from his dislocated hip.


A fresh build for Rachel Atherton this weekend with a little touch of Rainbow stripes on her perfect season liveried Session.
A fresh build for Rachel Atherton this weekend with a little touch of Rainbow stripes on her 'perfect season' liveried Session.


The 1 board is the final piece of the puzzle as Rachel Atherton s bike is put together.
The number 1 plate is the final piece of the puzzle as Rachel Atherton's Session is put together.


We already spotted Tahnee s new Transition TR11 at the BDS earlier in the month but she is on a stealthed out version this week.
We spotted Tahnee Seagrave's new Transition TR11 at the BDS earlier in the month. She's on a stealthed-out version for the World Cup.


Fresh Deemaxs ready to do battle with the Fort William rocks.
Fresh Mavic Deemax wheels, ready to battle with the Fort William rocks.


Thermometers strips on the shocks of Troy Brosnan and Mark Wallace.
Thermometer strips on the shocks of Troy Brosnan and Mark Wallace.
Super Alloy Racing springs in the back too.
Super Alloy Racing springs in the back too.


Aaron Gwin has a new Odi number board holder this weekend.
Aaron Gwin has a new Odi number board holder this weekend.
Aaron Gwin has a new ODI number board holder this weekend.


...and when we say loads we mean it
Fort Bill's favorite snack: loads of backup wheels and tires being prepped today.


The Giant boys making sure everything is bang on before the riders let loose on Aonoch Mor tomorrow.
The Giant boys making sure everything is bang on before the riders let loose on Aonach Mor.


Data acquisition ready to go on the Polygon test mule of the overall leader Alex Fayolle.
Data acquisition ready to go on the Polygon test mule of overall leader, Alex Fayolle.


Headset stripped out in the Polygon pits.
Less showy: headset laid out in the Polygon pits. Each detail is a win or lose proposition.


Side by side comparison of the Rock Shox 27.5 and 29 fork offering.
Side by side comparison of RockShox 27.5" and 29" forks.
No caption needed here. Bigger tire bigger clearance.
No caption needed here. Bigger tire, bigger clearance.


Gold Ohlins stanchions aboard Loic Bruni s Demo.
Gold Ohlins stanchions aboard Loic Bruni's Specialized Demo.


Every part off the bike checked greased if necessary and torqued ready for battle this weekend.
Every part of the bike checked, greased if necessary, and torqued ready for battle this weekend.


After Lourdes we got a sneak peak of Intense 29 offering and here it is in the flesh.
After Lourdes we got a sneak peek of Intense' 29" offering and here it is in the flesh.


Rims and tires are a potential headache for teams switching to 29 but it doesn t look to be a problem for Intense with Enve rims and Maxxis rubber as normal.
Rims and tires are a potential headache for teams switching to 29" but it doesn't look to be a problem for Intense with Enve rims and Maxxis rubber as normal.


GT s Tom Duncan gets to work polishing up the team frames.
GT's Tom Duncan gets to work polishing up the team frames.
GT Fury linkage detail.
GT Fury linkage detail.

New decals going on. The bikes looks spotless for now.
New decals going on. Spotless, for now.


Semi-slicks are nothing new at Fort Bill but with the rain falling now it ll be interesting to see who risks running them.
Semi-slicks are nothing new at Fort Bill, but with the rain that's been falling, it'll be interesting to see who risks running them.


Wheel builds going down in the Kona pits.
Wheel builds going down in the Kona pits.


Fingers crossed these wet screams won t make an appearance this weekend.
Fingers crossed that these wet screams won't need to make an appearance this weekend.


The Nicolai of Jack Reading leady to go.
The strategically weighted Nicolai of Jack Reading "leady" to go.


Complete overhauls were standard practice throughout the pits.
Complete overhauls were standard practice throughout the pits.


All neat and orderly on the work benches.
All neat and orderly on the work benches - at least for now.

52 Comments

  • + 41
 Yesterday's tech randoms post was almost the same, except a couple of images.
  • - 13
flag whitebullit (Jun 3, 2017 at 4:35) (Below Threshold)
 pinkbike sucks lately
  • + 16
 I had to check if i'd clicked on the wrong article.
  • + 4
 @whitebullit: I agree!
to much copy paste!
to much advertising
to much typos...
to late on the news...
it used to be much better in the past
why repeating tons of pictures from Tech randoms? lack of respect? or they think we not gonna see that?
thats why I've been in Vital and Dirt much more than PB!
  • + 2
 Two editors working on the same story. It happens every once and a while. This one was deleted
  • + 16
 " Fresh Mavic Deemax wheels, ready to battle with the Fort William rocks."
Nope. The first one has got a dentBig Grin
  • + 15
 dejavu
  • + 8
 Leady Race Weight: What is it and why?

Without knowing it they have 'stumbled' upon an old technology used in Motocross and Formula One called a 'Tunable Mass Damper'. These are masses (weights) of varying degree placed at strategic places on the frame to work 'against' the resonance frequency of the vehicle. It works by 'tuning' against the resonance, thereby 'deadening' the frame's inherent resonance, and making the frame ride smoother over rough obstacles at whatever frequency desired.

Such technology could and should be incorporated in the Head Tube, Down Tube and Seat Tube and would ideally be comprised of varying sizes and diameters of brass weights combined with a passive or active tuning mechanism which would most simply consists of a mass on a spring, possibly incorporating a roller bearing of some kind.

Various types of these Tunable Mass Dampers have been developed and could be used in MTB applications with great effect. I assume that Fox and Rockshox have these 'innovative' technologies penciled in for a reveal sometime in 2035 when they so deem it that the Idiots Who Love Mountain Bikes may be 'awarded' such technology for purchase for obscene price points.

Also, take a look at my page for F1 Inerters and other awesome technology completely suppressed and hidden from the mountain bike industry by a greedy and hostile cycling industry that preys on the young, weak and ignorant for it's sales model.
  • + 1
 Indeed, if you look at the dampers and helical systems built in to hold the cars in turns in F1 it's insane! Although we aren't supposed to know about it. To be fair even F3 etc. don't use this level of tech. as they aren't supposed to know it exists as it'd kill the teams advantages on set up. so it's little wonder we don't have it in MTB yet.
  • + 1
 It's been used on grand prix motorcycle racing too, and was recently "rediscovered" there too. Maybe these old tricks get looked over in favor of new tech, but the simple solutions are sometimes the best.
  • + 1
 Is it not also to improve the sprung/unsprung weight ratio which is massively out of balance on modern super light bike frames?
  • + 1
 ....or, for whatever reason, MTB engineers seem to work in a vacuum where somehow outside technology is never considered except for those "revolutionary" moments when somebody went to a motocross race or clicked a link outside of the cycling industry and was inspired.

Or there is some notion that since bikes are human powered (and should remain that way) that the rules are totally different.
  • + 10
 Remote lockouts on dh bikes! Wtf is going on!!
  • + 3
 A Frenchman called Alex is what is going on..
  • + 6
 What parts of track can they really use it on tho? The bridges at the top and the jumps at the end?
  • + 2
 @coolskidz: that might be enough but it would be cool to know when its deployed. I love the idea, im only surprised its only come into top racing this late.
  • + 12
 "DH tracks are not tough enough"
  • + 1
 They use it on the flat sprint section and the pump track.
  • + 2
 The negligible weight probably makes no difference to speed and if they can pull out a tenth of a second from using it for even 10 seconds (1% faster) they'll probably do it
  • + 4
 Only problem is I'd forget to unlock it coming into the rock gardens
  • + 6
 Every year I think I fall away further from liking this sport ... Light bike , lighter lighter lighter oohhh wait lead! Fck off bike industry and stop bullshitting us with everything
  • + 0
 Yes your old bike is completely unrideable sell it now before you lose precious miliseconds down a trail on your old school technology. Just ride your bike
  • + 7
 I'm doing a startup company selling extra weight to calm Bikes down. Looking for engineers to hire!
Retail price for 500g ist 70$.
  • + 4
 As long as it's aerospace industry quality lead being used I'm in.
  • + 2
 I am an Engineer. And surprising THE SIMPLE STUFF WORKS THE BEST, BUT IDIOTS CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY THEY WANT.

This is the exact same principle that is used in 'noise-canceling headphones' but it is a mechanical system instead of a piezo-electrical one. It has a physically sprung mass, instead of utilizing a transducer for noise-canceling. In this situation, the user would have to use their own physical feedback mechanism to 'tune' they system for the best 'noise-canceling', which would be adjusted by either varying the spring constant or the physical mass. Also, you could potentially introduce a velocity-sensitive damping element to further control the sprung element.

JUNIOR LEVEL ENGINEERING. IT'S SUCH A PHYSICALLY SIMPLE SYSTEM, THAT YOU CAN REPLICATE IT'S EFFECTS WITH LEAD TAPE (AS YOU SEE HERE)...

You could build a much more complicated and sophisticated and equally beneficial system by using several different sprung elements used around the bicycle in, at least, three different tubes. This way you could work upon several different chassis vibrational modes, such as lateral, longitudinal, and torsional vibrational modes. In principle, you would be able to effect each mode without disturbing the effects of another TMD unit.
  • - 1
 @bigburd: What so funny, is that this guy could be winning races all day long, and you would still not believe it. You wouldn't believe it until SANTA CRUZ SUCCESSFULLY MARKETED IT TO YOUR AGE DEMOGRAPHIC. And then when all your friends are talking about how awesome the NEW LEAD TAPE is on their bicycle, ONLY THEN WILL YOU GO OUT AND GET THE 'NEW LEAD TAPE'.

You couldn't think for your self, or try it for your self could you? I mean that's, unpossible!

The fact that there is Scientifically Proven Engineering Principles behind the use of NEW LEAD TAPE, is besides the point, because 12 years can't read science yet.
  • + 1
 @allballz: I'm not an engineer, but I play one on the internet.
  • + 2
 @allballz: What is so funny is that you have gone a massive rant, using CAPS to convey your emotions, assumed alot about me all based upon a throw away joke on the internet.

Was it a tough day at work ?
  • + 2
 Also if you paid attention my joke was pointing out the fact that if this idea does work and was repacked into some thing more sought after than lead wrapped in tape people would lap it up.
  • + 3
 Tuned mass dampers are different to just adding weight to a specific part of a frame. A tuned mass damper is attached with a beam/spring/lever that combines to create a resonant frequency with the mass. `Slapping lead on a frame aint the same thing at all.
  • + 0
 It achieves the same effect. But no, technically TMD is a more complicated technology that could be better refined and work a lot better than what they are doing. IMO, it is an argument even more for TMD because if they are getting good benefits off of LEAD TAPE, than you better believe a REAL TMD SYSTEM is going to work F**KING WONDERS!
  • + 1
 @allballz: you know you'd probably be taken MORE SERIOUSLY if you didn't USE CAPS all the time.
  • + 5
 Is the Fury a true single pivot now?
  • + 4
 Yes, and personally I am very surprised to see such move.
  • + 2
 @barzaka: it the similar article from yesterday some guy explained why this was very good solution 10 years ago but is pretty much redundant these days...
  • + 1
 Is the Trek a single pivot now too ?

No more floater but still pivots at the axle, so effectively a single pivot ?
  • + 2
 Wow lazy this weekend or what. Can't write two different articles so you copy and add a lockout to the page to lure us in you suck today pb!!
  • + 1
 C'mon, are you telling me the best solution from a reputable "suspension guru" is adding some weight to my bike? Really forces you to rethink your perspective on other Porter's claims.
  • + 4
 Why would you need to lockout on a downhill track ??
  • + 2
 Because not champery or val di sole...
  • + 8
 It makes the trail come alive
  • + 4
 Because the industry tells you that you need to. Therefore everybody will want it.....and buy it.......and claim it's the next innovation for DH.
  • + 8
 Because there is pedaling.
  • + 1
 I don't even ride downhill but these bikes are too f*cking sick. The epitome of bicycle technology. So stoked to watch Fort William tomorrow. GO DANNY!!!
  • + 2
 @richardcummingham , @rossbell posted 90% of your article 2 days ago.... you guys don't talk?
  • + 4
 Shit just got real!
  • + 1
 Gwin had an extra lever on the left side of his bars. What's the deal there ? I thought I'd see it in this section, then dejavu set in. .
  • + 1
 probably the same lockout for the fox shock as on the mondraker
  • + 2
 @striveCF15: Most likely right. I was just thinking an article titled "who's using remote lockouts" would have more than just one picture of remote lockouts.
  • + 1
 one person I mean, not picture *
  • + 3
 Bag it Sam!! Its all yours..
  • + 1
 That the same stick on strip thermometer ive got on my fish tank! Clever....

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