That vid belongs on a REI or Patagucci website. I don't need to be sold on the "women are rad living the outdoor lifestyle" scenes. I want to see what that bike can do, and some closer views of the bike to see the geometry etc. As a woman that rides, it is nice to see more ladies on bikes out there, but still disappointing to see the "women specific" marketing so cheesy.
Women's specific geometry is a joke. Just look at the specifications for geometry between similar men's and women's bikes from Specialized. Geometry and measurements are right on par with the men's sizes. What you do get is a fat seat which sucks if you really ride. I would suggest that women buy a men's version for better components within the same price range and of course better resale value.
See Leigh Donovan on the new Liv Hail launch video, that will show what the bike/rider can do...that being said, this was cool, showed the multi-sport lifestyle a lot of ladies are leading.
I'm confused here... Why were they running through the only actual gnar in the video and riding only on very smooth wide open flow trail??? There was no shredding at all going on here.
While I agree that this is super lame, it is the Camber. The Camber is a budget "trail" bike- for the recreational rider. I used to sell the men's version when I worked for a shop- it has stable geometry (won't win races up or down any hills) and mid-range components. No one buys a Camber to shred the gnar. I'm guessing they were trying to channel that with the REI-type advert.
Good video my wife and daughter both liked it and thought it was cool. They both have cambers and like to get out and ride them. They are not really hard core riders but they get out about 3 or 4 times a month and the bikes work perfect for what they do. No world cup racing but they have fun on them!!
Yah its sort of a joke. The frame sizes are different, but the geo and components are all the same. Minus the shock tune and colors. Also the frames only go to medium, because there are no woman over 5'7.
@parallaxid: Liv's bikes are completely different geometry, parts spec, and suspension spec than their men's counterparts. To the best of my knowledge, the only mountain bike's of their kind in the industry.
@birdoboards: I think "women's specific" bikes in general are a bit of a marketing gimmick. I mean what part of the bike are you gonna operate with your... Moving right along, I suspect there is just as much difference in geometry and setup preference within the sexes as between them, but if women's specific marketing gets more women out on the trails, great!
@ryetoast: I agree to an extent, but reach definitely needs to be shorter for women. Also a suspension tune for Women's generally lower weight. We have a sport that is often a little to "bro" oriented and bikes that really fit women well will only encourage more female riders.
Specialized has ladies saddles, smaller diameter grips and suspension tunes for lighter riders on their ladies bikes. Contact point are what make it gender specific, not color or spec.
@jclnv: I mean there is always exceptions. The same can be said about mens bikes and how the longer reach isn't perfect for everyone. Its awesome how there are choices for everyone at this point no matter torso length, riding style, gender, height, and weight.
A different shock tune that anyone can easily change?
Big S has alot of catching up to do compared to what Liv has to offer.
To the best of my knowledge, the only mountain bike's of their kind in the industry.