Transition Releases Relay Lightweight eMTB

Jan 26, 2023 at 15:51
by Transition Bikes  
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PRESS RELEASE: Transition Bikes

We are very excited to finally drop the curtain on the Relay! Living in uncharted territory, the Relay is a lightweight, long travel, modular mountain bike. Available in the second half of March, 2023.

We have always wanted a bike that could provide both an electric and non-electric experience in one chassis. The Relay is light, efficient, and quiet. This provides a more intuitive and natural feel on trail than many would expect from an eMTB. The Relay is here and ready to meet all of your mountain biking needs. Going for a rip with friends on eMTB's? Power it up and head out. Going for a rip with some friends on mountain bikes? Simply remove the battery and hit the trail with no tools required. The Relay does it all.


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Two Bikes in One

Full of modularity, the Relay can be ridden with the battery installed and powered, or removed, which transforms it into a regular mountain bike. Its versatility allows you to take it on a road trip where your plans include riding in areas that are legal for eMTB's, and also areas that do not allow eMTB's. The tool free battery door allows you to remove and reinstall the battery in a matter of seconds.

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Relay vs Relay PNW:

The Relay and Relay PNW share the same frame. The lower shock flip chip adjusts the geometry to compensate for a 27.5" or 29" rear wheel. Both Relay and Relay PNW have the ability to be run at 160 or 170mm travel front and rear, dual 29 or mixed wheel. Riders can choose the Relay with dual 29 and 160mm travel for a more lightweight, trail bike feel, or chase their burly trail dreams with the heavy hitting Relay PNW with 170mm travel and mixed wheels.


How Much Does it Weigh?

Starting at 42.5lb/19.27 kg with the battery and 37.5lb/17.01kg without the battery. Every Relay is purpose-built with components to be ridden hard, making it one of the lighter, heavy hitting eMTBs on the market.

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Dual 29, 160mm/160mm
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Mixed wheel, 170mm/170mm

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Motor / Battery Details

The lightweight 60Nm Fazua Ride60 drive unit weighs 4.3lb/1.96kg. The minimal drag and power to weight ratio provide the magic when not riding with power. As you begin to ride beyond the speed cutoff you're not penalized when continuing to push beyond the assistance like that of traditional eMTBs. The 430Wh battery, 60Nm torque, 250Wh continuous power, 450Wh peak power, and overall bike weight work harmoniously together. This all equates to an experience that exceeds what you might expect from its numbers.

The 430Wh battery weighs 4.85lb/2.2kg. It is easily removable via the tool free battery door underneath the downtube. The battery is charged off the bike, which is a bonus for customers with challenging bike storage and charging situations. The tool free battery door makes this hassle free, and it greatly simplifies the frame and door interface making it lighter and more durable.

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Display / Controls

The simple and ergonomic ring controller adjusts modes with a gentle nudge up or down. Pushing it up increases the power level, pushing it down decreases power level, pushing inward will activate walk mode. Holding the controller up for 2 seconds from any assistance mode will activate a boost mode, giving you peak system power output for roughly ten seconds.

The sleek display on the top tube consists of 5 led lights to give you an indication of power mode and battery life. The Relay has three power modes designated by different LED colors. Breeze mode (Green) is very functional in many situations, and is custom tuned by Transition to use in varied terrain, not just riding to the trailhead. River mode (Blue) is preset to match the amount of energy you are delivering to the pedals. If you're soft pedaling it delivers a minimal amount of assistance. If you're hammering it will give you as much available assistance it can, which provides a very intuitive experience and range management. Rocket mode (Pink) provides maximum power to help you tackle steeper climbs and challenging terrain, it will reduce your range but packs quite a punch.

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The Fazua Ride60 app pairs to the Relay via bluetooth technology. The Relay comes equipped with our well thought out profile, but you are able to fully customize your settings in all assistance modes. With Max Power and Support Relation you are able to set the maximum mechanical power output and torque in each mode. Support Relation allows you to adjust how much assistance you are given in relation to how much force you apply to the pedals.

Ramp Up allows you to adjust how responsive the system delivers the assistance in each mode. Whether you're an experienced rider looking for the most responsive and powerful setup, or someone who values more distance out of your rides, the app provides a comprehensive array of adjustments to tune your ride to your liking.


Watch Hannah Bergemann and Torsenn Brown shred the Relay

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Pricing for USA and Canada:


Relay
Relay Alloy NX $6,799 USD / $9,199 CAD
Relay Carbon GX $8,799 USD / $11,899 CAD
Relay Carbon GX AXS $9,999 USD / $13,499 CAD
Relay Carbon XX $12,499 USD / $16,999 CAD

Relay PNW
Relay PNW Alloy GX $7,999 USD / $10,799 CAD
Relay PNW Carbon X0 AXS $10,999 USD / $14,499 CAD

Learn more at transitionbikes.com

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359 Comments
  • 331 31
 Stay focused. Don’t let’s this somewhat-reasonably-priced, somewhat-reasonable-weight, somewhat-reasonably-powered bike fool you! It’s still an ebike, stay strong, people.
  • 85 11
 I had one on order as soon as it first released. I'm weak.
  • 67 72
flag thustlewhumber (Jan 31, 2023 at 9:16) (Below Threshold)
 iTs A mOtOrCyCle!!!11!!
  • 17 52
flag tarp43 (Jan 31, 2023 at 9:38) (Below Threshold)
 comment of the year!
  • 25 6
 Thanks brother, I started to wobble.
  • 82 4
 Do not look at it, brother. Look into my eyes. The Relays are not worth your time. Batteries are temporary. Meat powered shredding is eternal.
  • 59 5
 Say it with me: NX, 38 pounds, $6,800. Now feel the rage. Channel the rage. This is not a bike you want. Repeat. Good.
  • 23 2
 @VtVolk: NX is hot garbage. Steaming hot!!!
  • 2 0
 @megatryn: I might have one too. I don't know really. How can you see whether it is an electric bike?
  • 1 0
 @tarp43: Tini Rules
  • 20 19
 I love these mobility scooters for the elderly Not sure about this lightweight trend thing going on though i used to get a full body workout lifting mine over gates it offset my inability to pedal anywhere with conviction anymore
  • 12 4
 @Compositepro: [tinfoil hat on]There is a big plan behind all this, can't you see it? The high pivot bikes, the pedal assist... Still not? If people want to get their bikes over gates, they just lock the rear brake and stomp the pedals. The rear suspension extends and voila, you jump straight over the gate. It isn't just for the hobby, recreation of the workout mind you. This is a strategic tool. You want storm a fortress? No more need to ride straight into the gate (with a potential concussion if you don't wear MIPS). Instead, just jump the castle walls and you're in. I'm sure some Eastern European warlord is planning to get a bunch of these to update his weaponry. I tell you. [tinfoil had off]. Sheesh, this shit itches. Wtf did I just write?
  • 5 2
 @vinay: I am worried too, I ended up sawing off the bottom bracket and found a load of cables in there, no doubt they are connected to a motor, gonna saw off the head tube next
  • 2 2
 @alex-young: Alright, we can do this, together! I'll bring an axe on my next rides and discretely chop off the bottom brackets and head tubes of suspicious looking bikes.
  • 8 0
 @j-t-g: But what if I could get twice as much riding done on rest days?
  • 1 3
 @vinay: It's like vegans; you tell them it's electric. (Unless you ride it as a meatbike)
  • 43 11
 So what do you mean by stay strong. I've been mountain biking since 1986. I'm now 52. In 2016 I lost the ability to ride a mountin bike due to a chronic health issue. The only way for me to get back on the trails would be an e-bike. I know your comment is full of sarcasm. However I look perfectly healthy. No one knows I cannot pedal an MTB anymore. I'm still trying to get over my psychological block of how much I will worry about being judge by people like you. How do I know that. I used to be like you and looked down on the healthy people riding there e-bikes to the top of the climb that I was powering up under my own in power. Keep on bashing until you get old & injured. Then welcome to my nightmare.
  • 24 0
 @spunkmtb: this comment was not meant for you I hope. I admire that you’re still getting out in the trails amidst chronic heath issues. As a die hard pedaler, I fully intend to go electric when that’s what my body requires to keep me going. It’s nice to have the option. Stay positive and keep the rubber side down!!
  • 1 0
 @megatryn: oh thank goodness someone let me know normal bikes are not actually vegan! I’ll let the rest of us know, then we will tell you all each time we see a regular bike how you’re killing the planet!
  • 6 1
 @megatryn: Yeah, I guess that's the way. If you'd look at the first ones from Lapierre and Cannondale, it was mighty obvious. I'm pretty sure a few years from now, for half the number of new e-bikes brought to market I won't be able to tell from 10m apart whether a bike is assisted or not. No judgement, just an observation.

As for whether something is considered lazy or not, doesn't it go for everything? For a healthy person to opt for the elevator over the stairs for climbing three floors is considered lazy and wasteful whereas for others it might be the only way. Something similar goes for 5km commutes (car vs unassisted bike) etc. There are nuances everywhere. If it is the only way for you and it is important to you (which includes mountainbiking to keep you sane), go for it. If not, weight the pros and cons (which includes environmental impact) and make your own decision. If you're about 14yo or older, you should be able to do this.
  • 14 5
 @spunkmtb: If you don't have an e-bike.... go get one (sell you dog if you have to). and enjoy every minute of it.
  • 25 2
 @spunkmtb: Dude, you're 52. The time to stop worrying about what people you don't even know might think about you was 20+ years ago. Sorry you're injured but being so self conscious at this stage of your life is just a self-inflicted problem.
  • 19 3
 @spunkmtb: people aren't looking down on ebikes outside of the comment section dude. Do what ya want.
  • 6 10
flag srh4508 (Feb 1, 2023 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 @spunkmtb: based on you’re story you’re definitely justified to rock an e mtb. I’m curious about your opinion on something, and hopefully am not being to much of a dick here. First sorry to here about your challenges and hope you are able to overcome the worst of it, but would you be open to the idea of running a handicap tag on your seatpost? If you have a psychological block that people will judge you based on your looks, would making in known to those around you help clear that block? Similar to how motorists with a handicap are required to run tags so that we all know to give proper courtesy. This way people stuck in race mode on out there aren’t blasting you off the trails and are giving you the proper courtesy you deserve out there, and if you run into a situation where you need assistance on the trail people will be more aware to stop and help. Again, understand this could be a uncomfortable question, but just curious because you seem like a level headed person.

As unpopular as it may be there is a faction of mountain bikers out here that strongly oppose excessive use of batteries on bikes for those who don’t require that assistance because of the environmental impact it has on the areas where lithium is mined. No good reason a healthy teenager should be cruising around on one. Batteries are becoming essential to most things in life these days, and hopefully production will become more sustainable but its not there yet and everyone should scale back as much as possible within their own comfort zone to reduce the impact. When it does become more sustainable then their use for fun-to-all becomes more justifiable. We just want our kids generation to inherit a earth that is in better shape than in generations before. Humanity is supposed to go forwards, and open minded educated debate is a big part of getting there.

Also if you have a dog, dont sell him for an e bike. Take him out on the trail with ya
  • 11 2
 @spunkmtb: I'm also an older rider as well (52 soon) mostly on eBs now to keep up with the young lads I ride with. I too used to worry what the "doom n gloom anti eBers" used to say but you know what.. @#$%$ em! You get one go round on this planet best to enjoy it while you can!
  • 8 0
 @vinay: Speaking as someone from the older generation I can tell you, and I can’t over emphasise this enough, that..,I’ve lost my train of thought, hang on, no…dam it! It’ll be the undoing of us that’s for sure!!
  • 15 1
 @nerds-on-dirt-mtb: I’m 40 in good shape and I ride ebikes about half the time now. For one I don’t have as much free time anymore so getting more laps in is nice. Second they are super nice to ride the next day after you’ve had a big day on your regular bike. You can still take a ride on a recovery day.

Who cares what anti ebike guys think? I had lots of opinions when I was young that I am glad to have grown out of. These whiners will be no different.
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 @spunkmtb: I think there is some kind of fear of E-bikers taking over the universe. I've noticed in Trailforks, many areas marked as non-Ebike friendly, what the hell? I'm 55, race XC and do it on a non powered bike. I enjoy it, love the work outs, the training and the feeling of accomplishment when I finish. Some days, I just want to enjoy my day riding and don't have one issue with having pedal assist to get over the hump so I can enjoy the day. Not every region of the earth is compatible with biking just yet. If you want to ride where I live, you have to ride trails, not made for bikes, so you're forced into steep grades. What a shitty day to spend all your energy trying to get up a hill, so you can enjoy going back down. I've had days where I'm just too spent to enjoy the downhill. Dirty little secret with these SL bikes, you still have to pedal them and that takes energy. For some it's a game changer in terms of giving up something you love, or just wanting to have a fun day.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: The one place for an electric tool is going to be a Sawzall to replace that axe!
  • 4 1
 @vinay: im ore surprised the elderly can read text this small
  • 1 0
 You forgot to say ‘very sexy’
  • 1 0
 Kind of a non starter at this point. Ride one or don't, your choice but eMTBs are well engulfed into the MTB world. So much so they outnumber analog mountain bikes in many areas. Complaining about them is the equivalent of the old man shaking if fist in the air. And keep in mind, e-mountain bikes are class 1 so you still have to pedal. And really everyone who complains about them at this point are doing so more to just complain as opposed to actual any issues they have with them. Put another way, the complaints are by and large fake.
  • 1 0
 @srh4508: Weird long post. And really it's not for you to decide what a healthy person, teenager or not should or shouldn't ride. And I say this as someone who does not own or ride any kind of e-bike (for now anyway).
  • 1 0
 @CYCOlogist818: You’re right. Not my place to tell anyone what to do. It’s up to them to decide. Just trying to encourage folks to see beyond the marketing gimmick and realize that added waste and ecological destruction for easier climbs isn’t great for future generations. People should at least be aware if the negative impacts of excessive lithium mining, and if they already do the to realize ignorance is not bliss.
  • 2 0
 @CYCOlogist818:
"You have to pedal, so the motor can do the work"

There, fixed that for you!
  • 1 0
 @srh4508: While the process for extracting lithium is a real issue (not to mention what do with the batteries after they've outlived their usefulness), they're simply not going away and are well past the "marketing gimmick" stage. For the younger and/or more fit riders who ride e-mountain bikes, they generally ride much longer courses and climb much steeper hills than they do with their regular bikes. Many also still ride non e-bikes (at least the ones I know do). For the older and/or less fit riders, if e-MTBs are the only way they can keep doing the sport then right or wrong, they are not going to stop riding because of environmental concerns. Hopefully over time there will be better ways to deal with extracting the materials needed and better ways to dispose of the batteries when the time comes.
  • 1 0
 @danger13: The motor is only doing some of the work. That's the purpose of the motor. Also it depends on your settings. Fitter riders only tend to only use the max power setting when climbing the steepest of hills. But again I'm saying that baed on people I personally know.
  • 1 3
 @CYCOlogist818: I’ve seen the damage hill climbing motos do when poaching our gnarly loam descents. Hopefully the emtb climbers aren’t embracing that same mentality and slipping wheels up our descents just for a challenge to see how far their pedal assists can boost their egos. Best not let us catch that crap happening in the wild.

It’ll be a cold day in hell to convince me to get an emtb. 33 yrs young, work 50+ a week and have been since a teen, full time loving dad/husband, my slight scoliosis acts up here and there, knee pops, still refuse to give into the excuses for an emtb. I have no shame in hiking up something I can’t pedal up. Different strokes though.

My son is my inspiration to encourage me to scale back and reduce impact as much as possible. Seems irresponsible just to make things easier for me at the sake of his generations’ future.

If lithium production/disposal is more sustainable in the future I might hop on board, but it has a long way to go. Maybe one day we’ll have hover bikes powered by good vibes, seems unlikely as though. This isn’t avatar where I can plug my hair into a dinosaur to get around. Everything takes it’s toll.

All forms of energy production have their downfalls and benefits. The best thing anyone can do is scale back, and adding a lithium battery to a machine designed to be operated through human power seems straight up wasteful in most situations. The fact people believe lithium powered things are the solution to excess consumption is silly. I do industrial sustainability stuff for a living, not some whacko environmentalist, I see the impacts of humanity everyday. Maybe people don’t realize what all goes into it, or they do know but don’t care which is really disheartening.

I do think they are a great tool for the right person or situation. But for as much as people passionately argue that side, I find it odd that I’ve never seen those uses out in the wild. Just healthy people blasting around on them for their own benefit.
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 @srh4508: "It’ll be a cold day in hell to convince me to get an emtb"
And by all means don't get one. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I don't have any kind of e-bike myself. The fact is tho, those who ride them (you and I seem to have very different experiences with people we know who do) are blissfully having fun and nothing else matters to them.
One of my closest life long friends (we graduated HS in 80 so yeah we're old) made the switch and it's been a game changer for him. He's been mountain biking since the mid 90s and now at 60 he bought his first e_MTB. He still rides his traditional road bike.
  • 1 0
 @spunkmtb: I hear you. I also have been riding MTB since 1985 on the first Richey. I have owned dozens of bikes over the years and I always managed to keep up to some degree. I am now 60. In 1988 I had my left leg amputated above the knee. In the last 4 years I had 5 back surgeries fusing S1 to L2. Believe it or not I road a normal MTB up until two years ago. Then it just got too hard and painful. Along came the world of e mountain bikes and I was conflicted. Do I give up and just reminisce about my glory days of riding or do I try to continue on with some electrical assistance? I chose the latter and decided to take my chances with the judgmental crowd out there. Most people see me and say "good for you". But occasionally I have riders scream at me and threaten to do me bodily harm.
For what its worth I do ride on some trails that are posted with "no e-bike" signs but I generally go when no one is around. Surprisingly, when there are riders there, I have noticed about 30% of them are on e-bikes. I have also had the opportunity to ride in Europe where about 70% of the bikes are electric. Times are changeing.
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 @awest: How did you find that number of 70%? Sounds like a lot. Just did a quick search. I live in The Netherlands where we have 23M bikes shared between 17M people. 5M out of those bikes have electronic pedal assist. Takes quite some bikes with pedal assist in other European countries to average out at the 70% you're talking about.
  • 136 3
 Looking forward to the 2024 version where you could get one bike for the price of two
  • 52 0
 Can I interest you in a Rossignol Heretic?
  • 20 0
 @porkchopsandwich: I think that'd be BTGO
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flag mininhi (Jan 31, 2023 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 another half-@ss emtb.overpriced and underpowered..
  • 10 0
 @mininhi: what's the correct price and power output of a sub 40lb ebike.

we are all waiting....
  • 21 27
flag srh4508 (Jan 31, 2023 at 19:29) (Below Threshold)
 Keep eBikes on the streets where they make sense to replace cars for local commuters, and off the mountains!

www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact
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flag likeittacky (Jan 31, 2023 at 19:39) (Below Threshold)
 @srh4508: I will not help anyone in the wilderness or local trails if they have a mechanical of any sorts or flat if their riding an e-bike; even if its someone i know. "Your on your own putz good luck!"
  • 15 0
 @likeittacky: you’re*
  • 8 2
 @srh4508: You also want to steer clear of cell phones, battery power tools, laptops, watches, hearing aids and the list goes on. What you need to do is to properly dispose of the batteries and not just chuck them in the garbage, not different to any battery.
  • 16 3
 @likeittacky: Leave someone on the side of the trail because their bike as a bit more of an environmental impact than yours, what a nice person you are. So, the non-ebike you are riding has absolutely no negative environmental effects? You grew it on a tree, made it entirely out of bamboo, rode from where you live to every place you ride?
  • 12 15
 @Stredda: I understand what you’re trying to say here. But hearing aids serve a purpose to help people with disabilities live a better life, power tools help badass workers keep infrastructure running, cell phones/laptops have pretty much replaced pen and paper and are a necessity for work for most. E-mtn bikes on the other hand serve no significant purpose that benefits society as a whole, except mostly to help people who want to use a cheat code on a climb. E commuter bikes though make total sense. You can make the argument that e mtn bikes help those with disabilities, and I’ll give in to that; but for everyone else just pedal your damn bike. You can also argue it can replace a shuttle rig, and yes I’ll agree to that one to some extent. Except I think 8+ people loaded into a beat ol F150 on occasion has less of an impact than 8+ people who leave their bikes plugged into a wall constantly sucking enegry when not in use. And a lot of them are popping up in non shuttle zones where they have no belonging.

Yes I am being slightly a hypocrite on my cell making this point, but I truly think most e mtn bike use is straight up wasteful.
  • 4 3
 @PHX77: You want a cookie
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 @Stredda: I'm enjoying the frustration from my fellow Pinkers regarding this; LMAO!
  • 2 0
 By the way, I stand corrected. "You're" Smile
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 @likeittacky: would you accept help from an e-biker?
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 @mininhi: i agree
  • 38 3
 @srh4508: Most E Bike owners I know are older, 40-50+, with substantial family and work commitments. E bike allows them get out a bit more often, do 2 laps when they could have done one, but it’s still a great form of exercise. I ride with a guy who is 65, and without his ebike he wouldn’t be able to hang with younger friends. He’s far from disabled, but the motor is a great equalizer for many. Believe me, I’m as mad as anyone when somebody blows by me on a climb on their ebike like I’m standing still, but that’s my ego talking. IMO anything that helps people get out and be active, old or young, is a benefit to society.
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flag srh4508 (Feb 1, 2023 at 6:23) (Below Threshold)
 @reegs: Yep that makes sense. Most folks I see on them though are my age or younger and plenty healthy. A lot of teenagers who somehow convinced their parents to buy them an expensive e mtn bike because its the hot new trendy thing. That’s who I’m trying to convince to stay off and strengthen up.

I gotta say my father must of missed that memo because he is pushing 70, recently beat prostate cancer, and has some constant pains, but the dude still knocks out these epic 100+ mile rail-to-trail style ride with his old head buddies without a battery, motor, or eagle. Guy is a savage.
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 @reegs: also if older without any serious pains or significant excuse, maybe just accept they’ll be a little slower on the climb and wait for them at the top or take breaks on the way up. Don’t blow them out of the water. Seems like a better option that exploiting resources. Check your strava off and focus on the fun of the sport from time to time. I’ve chatted with a few 40+ who have accepted they’re not 20s anymore, hate e mtn bikes, and don’t try to live vicariously through a battery and motor
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flag srh4508 (Feb 1, 2023 at 13:19) (Below Threshold)
 This is laughable at best. Not sure who downvotes a story about real science, or one about a old timer beating cancer and still crushing it out there on a bike without a motor. Jealousy maybe?

Heres a quick analogy for you. If you went to the doctor and your doctor was like “hey dude stop doing that thing thats bad or your going to die” would you say “nah doc thats fake diagnosis I’m gonna keep blasting it out regardless of the cosequence, ignorance is bliss!” Or would you try to get your health back on track?

I’m trying to tell you that wasteful lithium mining is screwing up the planet, which is bad for all our health. It’s not some made up opinion, it’s real.

Maybe y’all would care more if a lithium mine was in y’alls back yard, but hey lets keep exploiting other country’s ecosystems for cheap stuff that gets your rocks off. Your ignorance to the facts is unreal.

And honestly if you’re old and broke off and need an e mtn bike, maybe pick up a new hobby? Like guitar, philosophy, or something else. I’d hate to see someone with a disability end up more disabled because someone convinces them a how powerful e mtn bike is up their alley because hey its accessible.

I’ve had no trouble passing groups on my heavy slack battery free MX coil shredder going uphill and down. You don’t need a motor to have fun or go fast.

There are very few situations where e mtn bikes are justifiable. Take it or leave it.

I guess we are destined for ignorant wastefulness. Good job marketing!

I’m now feeling wasteful because I thought I’d try to use my phone to have a real conversation on PB, but turns out minds are shallow and not open. Scale your life back and preserve resources/ecosystems. Peace!
  • 4 5
 Starting to feel the pain of the Lorax. The mtb community I once admired has gone astray. Enjoy your battery powered wasteland ya thneed snatchin fools. I’ll go back to my hole now (aka staying offline away from media and living the dream)
  • 1 1
 @srh4508: I'm sorta now considering one as its the only way to hang with my 18 yo on the way up. I'm in good shape for a 52 year old fart, but getting dropped by him on the first climb sucks, and he's on a damn 35 pound non-motorized Spire.
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 @Kysic: Not unless she's good looking
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 @likeittacky: spoken like a true Trump supporter. Go MAGA!
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 @ACM1234: theres no shame in being slower. I dont understand why getting slower with age means you need an ebike. Its perfectly normal. Im 44 and have been on a mtb most my life but with regular exercise im quicker now than when i was in my 20's it just takes a more dedicated approach. Heck round my way the non ebikers i find harder to keep up with are the 50+ crowd. I drop most twenty year old guys all day. Its getting easier too as most younger riders dont train as much as when i was there age unless there pro. People like things to easy now to really commit. But honestly theres no shame in ageing at all and if your not able to do what you once could quite as fast. Just go a bit slower and keep doing it without the need of a motor.
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 @reegs: coming back out the hole for one last point. I work 60+ hours a week in a career that contributes towards the sustainability of our planet in industrial facilities. Doing things most folks won’t. Outside of that I am also a full time father. I’m lucky to if I get to ride once a week. Using a battery for two laps instead of one benefits that person solely and is a selfish mindset, it does not benefit society as a whole because your screwing up someone else's back yard. I’d gladly sacrifice an extra lap by not using a battery if it means I’m helping reduce my impact on the environment because it preserves the planet for my kid and the rest of his generation. I love my kid more than I love that extra lap and want him to live in a planet that has clean air and water.

Just because things are easier or more convenient doesn’t make it right.

The level of hypocrisy from folks who claim they are environmentally friendly is ridiculous. But hey keep living in your fantasy land, and keep hating on those who are educated in science/engineering and not afraid to expose the truth for what it is. You do you homie.
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 50+ hrs **
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 @srh4508: Everything we build or consume comes with a cost. You also have the choice not to ride a bike on account of the environmental cost of extracting the fossil fuels and metals required to produce, not to mention the emissions created from manufacturing and transportation of goods. There is also the impact that trail building has on the natural habitat of wildlife and ecosystem of the forest, which is not negligible. But you are still making the choice to ride, and have to understand the environmental costs that come with that.

So where do you draw the line? I am in complete agreement that we need to take measures to protect what is left of our planet for future generations. Global political reform to enforce more stringent regulation of emissions, reduction in personal consumption, travel, etc, all things that need to happen. What else are you doing to better improve the prospects of future generations?

In another comment you maintain you are here for open dialogue, yet here you say "keep living in your fantasy land" and "you do you homie". Is that a debate/dialogue? Where one person draws the line for personal or environmental reasons will be different from somebody else. Hell, you come from the land of the free with some of the most wildly diverse views on the planet, you should know this better than anyone!
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 @lev3000: It's always about Trump for those of you of the Hive Mind. After 6 years of shenanigans you think People like yourself would wake up and think for yourself.
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 @reegs: Thanks for your response. “You do you homie” was me giving into frustration and being a smart ass. “Living in a fantasy land” though is 100% true. People think they can still consume as much as they want without scaling back and think lithium is somehow the solution to their consumption. When I moved to the PNW 5 years ago I thought I’d come to this place where people actually tried to reduce impact. Turns out they like to scream they’re environmentally friendly without actually making strives towards real change. A lot of activism, no real changes. No one car pools. Everyone buys cheap overseas crap. People like to fly to remote places and take photos for insta and say “lets save this remote place” over and over again; maybe lets not travel there and let it stay remote. They like to think their helping the homeless when in reality they are just enabling them to continue to bleed off the system. All while letting criminals run rampant to take advantage of those who they prey on. It’s a joke. I love it out here for the mountains/water and plan to stay, but there are some really weird justifications to things. A lot of activism, but no real hard work being done to make changes. I’m not saying the far right solution is correct answer either. There are some straight whackos on that end as well. We are fortunate to live in a country with diversity and freedom, but ever since covid locked everyone indoors its gotten more extreme and divided which I believe is due to media brainwashing. Proud boys and antifa are always going at each other; its the same stupid but on different sides. Yes fascism is bad, yea authoritarian communism isn’t cool either; but both groups use the wrong tactics. United we stand, divided we fall folks! Universal law of human kind. Would be nice to see people put their extreme differences aside. Self reflection is becoming a lost art. I’m sure I just offended a ton of people. Anyways getting off topic here.

Back to bikes. Yes both aluminum, steel, and carbon fiber bikes require materials and energy to make; but they can all be recycled. Compared to lithium mining their production isn’t anywhere as negative though. Lithium mining is environmentally degrading, and the batteries can’t be recycled at the end of their life cycle. Adding that on top of everything else just makes it even more wasteful. Maybe one day it will become more sustainable, but its not there yet. I do think ebikes make sense for commuting, but they are hard to justify in the mountains. There are a few cases where I find them as acceptable. But straight up people with disabilities using e mtn bikes need to be careful. I think its a slippery slope encouraging them to take part in a high intensity sport. Some can handle it, for others it might not be worth the risk but that is for them to decide. Ive know skilled riders who have gotten hurt on e mtn bikes due to the unexpected power. And the truth is most folks I see on e mtn bikes are perfectly healthy and are using them for the greed and convenience of more laps. They also ride in areas where they aren’t even allowed. Stick to shuttle zones if you’re gonna e mtn bike. I also don’t think getting old is a good excuse to justify one if you are still healthy. Just accept your reality, work hard to stay strong, and don’t exploit someone else’s back yard for resources just to make your climb easier.

I agree we all consume to live, but we should try to scale back as much as possible and give back to the earth as much as we can. E mtn bikes for healthy folks is a waste of resources and has real world negative repercussions to our vital resources needed to survive as a species.

But this will be my last time commenting for a while. I’ve come to the conclusion that the comments section is toxic on PB, not a good place to have real world convos.

Thanks for your response bud. Hope you have a great day.
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 @reegs: ok one last one because I didn’t respond your point to the impact of trails. You are 100% correct. Trails should be built with consideration of the ecosystems it passes through, and done so in a way that reduces the impact as much as possible. There are trails done wrong, and there are trails done right. Mountain biking is a great way for folks to get active outdoors and start to gain an appreciation for nature, but it should be done in a way that minimizes overall impact. Batteries for all though, no way.

100% serious this time though, done with the public comment platform. If you want to continue the convo drop me a message directly becuase it’ll pop up in my email. Not going to monitor this thread.
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 @srh4508: I do agree with your sentiments.

You do have tendency to wright very very long post's; maybe a podcast would be your medium to express concerns and feelings if your throwing in the Pink towel. Bye
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 @likeittacky: if he had an ebike he'd be riding more than writing
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 @srh4508: psssst. hey...you still here?
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 @owl-X: to be fair, he has a point in that ebikes hasten the erosion of trails and lithium mining is harmful to the environment. Ebikes will just cause more people to ride mountain bikes. With electric vehicles, they would at least displace internal combustion ones. I have both electric and non-electric bikes, and obviously I ride further on the ebike which he would translate as causing more harm to the environment. I am aware of what either bike does for the environment, from its manufacturing, to maintenance and usage, and eventually to its disposal. The best way I can think of to compromise my biker and tree-hugger personalities is to keep those bikes as long as I can and keep them off the dumpster, and maintain them properly so I don't replace parts often. But I won't stop living because my activities harm the environment. Human existence as it is is already bad for the environment.

Side note: The ebike is a rear-tire destroyer. I'm almost done with the one that came with it, and I only got it late October. I am replacing it with a dual compound version and hope it'll last longer. If I get the same result, I might have to try another brand. Currently it's a Maxxis DHR 2 in 2.6.
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 @uphill-blues: to be fair i'm only concerned if he's really LEAVING FOREVER...he's not, they never do...

I will also address your rear tire / ebike concerns: I thought the same, but as you get a few years into it I predict you'll notice that your eeb isn't destroying tires at a faster rate than your pedalbike, you're just riding more/longer/smile-ier.

The rest of it uhhhhhh dude I don't know where (or why) to start, so errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr have a good one
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 @srh4508: I pretty much feel exactly the same. They definitely have a great purpose replacing cars or other gas powered locomotion but it's a damn big battery that I still have trouble justifying for fun. Obviously I have a phone, computer etc, I'm a member of society in 2023, hard to not have these. My mountain bike(s) have an environmental impact of course but I'd like to keep that to a minimum. Not having a battery (eeb, AXS... Any of it) will be better. I also work in a shop where we deal with lots of ebikes and it's just another system to go wrong.
I've ridden our bikes a couple of times and they're a blast to ride up a techie climb, no one's going to tell they're not. They also pride quite nicely on the way down to be fair, still way prefer my bike though. From a purely riding perspective I don't think they're the devil incarnate but I just can't help but feel that we have enough batteries in our lives as it is with stuff that we pretty much need to get by living a normal life in our present paradigm, I'm personally going to avoid batteries on my bikes where I don't need them to have a great time, I may feel differently when I'm in my 60s or 70s, who knows.

PS if you or anyone you know doesn't share my pont of view and rides an eMTB please set your seat height correctly. Getting past by an ebike on a grueling climb I can deal with no problem. But getting past by an ebiker with they're knees in they're chin just drives me nuts! (Probably my problem really, but it's still nicer to pedal with proper leg extension, motor or no)
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 @Louisd2000: protip brotip - go vegetarian and you'll free up all sorts of karmic justification

standing here with my arms crossed, chin up high: mushroom gravy dripping off the eebfleet
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 @uphill-blues: I laugh and cringe at the same time to this
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 @srh4508: all I hear is waaaah I don't have an ebike waaaah.. hahaha
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 @srh4508: bruh......you are so clueless.

where do I start? I mean, do you bang on this hard about a Porsche when you see one? lmao....just grow up and form opinions and ideas using more than just your Id
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 @owl-X: funnily enough I am and have been literally my whole life.
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 @Mtbdialed:
Clueless? Far from it.
I’m about to do something I never do because I value modesty when it comes to skill sets and believe that actions speak louder than words.

My first tax paying job was at 15 I worked the drive thru at McDonald’s for $5.75/hr. I just kept leveling up from there. Hard work and drive builds experience. Would recommend all younger generations get off tik tok and the like. Pursue an education, work hard, and make a difference in the world.

My knowledge comes from hard work and an inner desire to make the world a better place, and the things I’ve learned along the way. I’ve studied hard in environmental engineering/science, physics, thermodynamics, energy production, chemistry, sustainability, the list goes on. I wasn’t born smart. It came from keeping my nose to the grindstone and working hard. At one point in time I could have pursued a sponsorship in freestyle snowboarding if I really wanted to, but instead felt I could make more of a difference if I followed a path of education and hard work so I gave it up.

Industries I’ve helped make more sustainable are coal power plants, ash pond remediation, cogeneration power (natural gas and hog fuel), nuclear power, lumber mills, steel mills, aluminum casting facilities, paper mills, building materials, skatelite/richlite, aerospace manufacturing, transportation, rendering plants, dairies (dry milk, cheese, milk, butter, ice cream, yogurt) poultry processing, vegetable processing, seafood plants, vegetable/fruit processing plants, glass manufacturing plants, the list goes on; and I’m not dine yet. Have saved millions of BTUs and preserved millions of gallons of fresh water. All because I put in hard work trying to reduce the impact of things everyone uses but take for granted on where those things come from. I’ve done non profit research investigating ways to remove mercury/methylmercury from aquatic ecosystems and help secure government funding to continue the research. Helped plant trees. Helped farmers fight invasive species. Habitat restoration. Stream/river management and reconstruction. Native species reintroduction. People in my line of work respect that put long hours, sweat, sometimes blood, into something I’m passionate about. They also like I’m a straight up no nonsense talker because my clients don’t have time for sugar coating, they are under real pressure to make things better and I deliver that value. You should be glad there are hard working folks out there like me who give a damn.

What have you done to make the world a better place?

Don’t you think based on knowing a little about my background now that maybe I know what I’m talking about? Yes we all consume, but adding more waste on top of it all is no good. And lithium mining is real bad. I’d encourage you to go see for yourself.

I hate on porches all day. Not sure why anyone needs one to drive down a road.

I’m laughing as I write this because honestly I have nothing to prove to you because I’m living the dream and don’t need internet friends or likes. Yea I work a ton and play less that I used to, but still ride amongst the upper echelon when it comes to shredding.

And yes Mr. Owl X I’m out for good to find other platforms with folks more open to challenging conversations. Just back to respond to a low blow. Y’all can have your kicks back to stroke your troll lifestyle. Will stay focused where I make big impacts on the preservation of our planet. Cheers.
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 @srh4508: If befitting society is a requirement of yours better give up mountain biking as a whole as it has really no befits over ebikes and there’s an environmental impact to the manufacture of ALL mountain bikes. BTW the running of an F150 would be years worth of energy and environmental impact to the tiny amount of charging energy to charge an Ebike.
I’m not saying that ebikes are environmentally friendly, just that mountain bikes in general aren’t, so you can’t really use the environmental argument against ebikes. If you were so concerned with the environment you give up your bike full stop and go run naked through the forest.
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 @srh4508: ....all typed from a device that certainly contains lithium!....as well as Cobalt, which is mined using slaves(actual f*cking slaves) in the Congo.


also, I think you win the PB Commentor Blowhard 2023 award. It takes a lot to be this self important on a cycling website, as well as wrap up the title so early in the year, but you are correct....you really put in the work, put your nose to the grindstone, go the extra mile, talk straight, put in the long hours to live the dream!
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 @Louisd2000: dang dude and you've run out of justifications for ebikes? Methinks you need a new Karma Accountant. Re-do those numbers.
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 @srh4508: Nice! Enjoy that upper echelon, my guy!

Now never return. Your word is at stake.
  • 121 14
 In acoustic mode it touts the biggest in-frame burrito storage
  • 6 1
 I don't know, SC Hightower might be the same size.
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 Burrito juices are fine for the battery connection interface, right?
  • 36 1
 @Gristle: Don't google burrito juice.
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 always will down vote acoustic. don't even care that much about eebs, just hate how stupid the term is.
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 @TheRamma: always will down vote eebs. don't even care that much about words, just hate how stupid the term is.
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flag Aleven (Jan 31, 2023 at 12:27) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRamma: I also sometimes like to call them Caveman bikes or Flintstones bikes.

And sometimes I call my e-bike my Tesla bike or BC Hydro bike

Bring on the uptight downvotes!!
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 @jaywindh: "Eebs" makes way more sense than "accoustic." Accoustic sounds so pretentious and hipster-ish. Whenever someone says accoustic bike, I assume they drink PBR or Hamms, and play board games at bars.

I feel like "pedal bikes" and "e-bikes," are the most intuitive and natural terms. Couldn't care less what someone else calls them, but "accoustic bike" seems a little cringey sometimes idk why.
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 @Glory831Guy:

I'll starts saying eebs when the uci incorporates ebikes into enduro and they call it EEBSEDR
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 @Aleven: I actually like the term "Tesla" bike, but it's definitely not a complement...
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 @Eatsdirt: taco juice is both a worse google, and exactly what you expect.
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 @TheRamma: do you prefer Amish bikes?
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 @Glory831Guy: I'll let you into a secret: ebikes have pedals.
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 @cooper02: meh. you could just say bicycle.

weird how many linguistic concessions people want to make to keep insecure moped riders from feeling excluded.
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 @TheRamma: I think the correct terms are bicycle and moped.

Glad I could set that straight!
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 @TheRamma: haha yes. I can give "analog" a pass but I just call my non-ebike a "regular" bike. Some people just want to impress with dem fancy werds. I just hope I never hear someone refer to their regular bike as "organic."
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 @uphill-blues: which is fine, but when people go, "oh, it's an eeb/e-bike/moped," it's not inaccurate or necessarily mean.

adding analog or acoustic to a regular bike just seems like extra work for a descriptor that doesn't make sense or add anything.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: so does my car
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 From today's article on Bikes That Turn 30 Years Old, it looks like that Fisher Alembic would have been the class leader until the Relay dethroned it.
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 @Glory831Guy: in five years they won't need a name
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 If I were in the market for an eMTB, then the Relay or similar, would likely be the type that I’d be looking for. That said, the kind of money needed to buy a bike like this is prohibitive.

Good job that I still love riding my 2020 Patrol Carbon.
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 dito.
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 @saladdodger: I don't kow how many people know what "dito" means. Big Grin I understand
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 Seems like frame-only option isn't really a thing for ebikes. Just frame + shock + battery/ motor/ would be great. I hate the build options offered here. Effin overpriced SRAM garbage.
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 agreed
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 Completely agree, this bike speaks to me very much but I am not paying the cash for a full build. If there was a frame only option I would consider it.
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 It's rare. In my opinion, the first company that makes this a viable option is going to sell a lot of bikes.

A lot of people already have 5-10k bikes. They don't want to have to spend $8-15k to get into an e-bike. But if you sell a $4k frame set with multiple batter and motor options then people can put their own shit on them and get into an bike for under $5k.... that'll open some doors.
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 I think it's less of an option since many e-bikes require a controller on the bars and a sensor on a wheel or rotor. They could certainly pack these things up and ship them with a frame - I'd really like to see more of it soon.
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 Would also have to come with a crankset too, as it usually voids your warranty if you do any work to cranksets on ebikes. I would love to see it though. Frame, battery, motor, crankset. I would buy one instantly if that was the case.
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 Yeah, I'd like that too, I have an ebike with a decent spec/has been recently upgraded with new wheels, brakes and dropper, I now want to keep the bike another year, but it is getting a bit dated geometry wise/it's only for a 504wh external battery and e8000 motor. If I could buy a new frame for around 4k with a 700wh internal battery and a bosch motor, id be very happy.
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 Cannot upvote this enough!

SRAM GX on an e-bike is awful. It shifts so poorly and ends up grinding and popping all over the place.

I really like this bike and plan on buying one but not until it’s offered with an XT/SLX combo.
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 @onemanarmy: Specialized sells the S-Works Levo as a frame-only. It's $8500 MSRP.
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 it is! My dealer gave me quotes for various builds and carbon only frame ( motor / battery etc ) is an option
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 Don't know about shipping US to Canada and vise versa but shipping UK to North America the commodity codes, import duties and dangerous goods shipping requirements etc are very different between a complete bike with a motor and battery and a collection of parts including a motor and battery. It is much easier and cheaper to ship the complete thing.
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 It would be great to offer an XT option like they do for their other bikes.
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 We can't match the buying power of Transition etc - I'd always take the full build option. I got a new bike in December, sold the NX drivetrain and Code R brakes, which paid for the majority of the XT replacing it. It's more hassle and it's weird taking brand new parts off, but you get the best bang for your buck and exactly what you want.
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 @gkeele: yup, I'll be looking for the cheapest bike with the frame geometry /motor/battery/suspension I want regardless of everything else, then just swap it all for my preferred options. Bonus points if its a sram equipped bike, the higher initial cost of them mean swapping for magura/shimano is usually a negligible cost.
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 According to people I know at Transition, a frame-only option is being considered, but there is some struggle with the pricing model.
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 It is for the Pole Voima. The Pole is probably the best e-bike out there, but unfortunately dies not have the TQ motor, is only 190mm rear travel, no mullet option, no gearbox.
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 @alexsin: They really only need to offer an XT version, and scrap all the other trims.
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 @wburnes: saying the Voima is the best e-bike out there is like saying Dany DeVito is the world's greatest lover... there's a chance you may be right, but it's still not worth it based on the looks.
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 It looks only 2 months pregnant.
  • 34 2
 They should add a new "ride without battery" stage to the EWS-E. That'd be awesome.
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 Or even a whole enduro race series with bikes without batteries
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 Or to really separate the men from the boys, a ride with a dead battery stage…
  • 23 0
 Why spec ebikes with EXO tires? Just to get the weight down? Throw some DD or DH casings on and you're up to 40lb.
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 It's only 17-19kgs without the battery, super light bro Big Grin
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 Or even a whole enduro race series with e-bikes without batteries and/or motors
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 Part of the reason is that these junk shows lose half their battery life because of additional drag from real tires. That rotating weight puts much more strain on the motor just like a real bicycle. So if one is marketed with exo and another with dh casing, the electric motor bike customer will tend to think the lighter motor bike with a longer lasting battery is better.
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 @wolfowner: very good point that didn't even cross my mind.
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 Cushcores and eco plus.
  • 21 2
 Glad they got this out there. Now release the new Smuggg.
  • 2 0
 Just curious, what would a Smuggler offer that their current Scout couldn't? Is the Smuggler somewhere between a Scout and a Spur? Cheers
  • 9 0
 I've seen the info, Smuggler is coming very soon. 130mm/140mm, 29/29
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 @luckyguy19: gosh, I can’t wait. Hoping for an alloy frame only option
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 @j-p-i: scout is great if you want fun wheels.

If you want man wheels, there's a gap.

Dudes trying to beef up Spurs and not liking it.

Dudes trying to make Sentinels less slack and lighter.

There's defo room for a 130 all rounder.
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 @greenblur: Thanks Smile Makes sense!
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 @greenblur: how would one beef up a spur? What don’t these people like after modding?

I demo’d a spur and wasn’t immediately sold. The rear felt too chattery. I did not mess with suspension. My current bike has a Cane Creek rear so I don’t believe it is a far comparison.

Realistically I’ve never broken a bike. Nor have I found one that won’t handle what I intend to ride. I’m not limited by my current bike. My current bike just isn’t ideal for the 50 rides I get in a year.
  • 13 2
 I know it isn't exactly cheap, but looking at the build of the NX Alloy for $6800 doesn't seem bad in the grand scheme. They call it an NX build but only the shifter is NX? The rest of the drive train is GX? Is that a typo on their spec sheet?
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 yep. swap the brakes and wheels on the NX build and you're in for $8k probably which isn't bad for a "2 in 1" ebike/enduro bike, even if its a little heavy
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flag valrock (Jan 31, 2023 at 11:41) (Below Threshold)
 @whiteranger3: that is it here... here we go my friends... the times when 8k USD bike "isn't bad" Big Grin f*ck you all who are willing to pay these crazy amounts of money. My cheap ass hates you all on my 4k ( the most expensive bike I ever owned) rig
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 @valrock: But it isn't a bike, its an ebike. You get all the parts of a bike, plus a motor and the cost of the tech necessary to run it including the cost of building a phone app. So yeah, 8k for an ebike isn't bad. I still can't afford one, but it is disingenuous to compare prices between a bike and an ebike.
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 @valrock: hate? I think you spelled jealous incorrectly.

do you also feel impotent rage when you see an old guy driving a GT3RS? if so, get to work and go get yourself one!
  • 4 2
 @valrock: nobody cares what bikes people ride in Edmonton.
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 @Mtbdialed: you must be fun at the parties Big Grin
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 @valrock: tell me where else you can buy a pedal bike and an ebike for $8k. That's like paying $3k for a pedal bike and then $5k for an ebike. The first bike fits below your budget of 4k of the most expensive bike you've ever owned, and you get a whole second one.

Think of it as 2 bikes, not 1.
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 @whiteranger3: nah, I do not look at this as two bikes... cuz you got one 3k bike + battery, small screen and a motor... that doesn't add up to extra 5k with your logic. But again I am here just arguing the prices are outrageous but based on the amount of dislikes I get looks like you all are ok paying that
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 @Mtbdialed: Hell yes I do. Floppy, flacid rage.
  • 11 0
 "250Wh continuous power, 450Wh peak power" Wh is not a unit of power. A watt (W) is energy per time - in other words, power - whereas a watt-hour (Wh) is energy per time multiplied by an amount of time, so the time cancels out and it's just energy. A watt-hour is a fixed amount of energy (like battery storage capacity) whereas a watt is a flowing thing (like motor power output capacity). W is analogus to km/h and Wh is analogous to km/h x h = km.
  • 10 0
 Marketing quotes of the year:
"...ride with friends without ebikes"
"...ride in areas not accessible to ebikes"

Finally, I can buy an ebike and I won't be discriminated !
  • 6 4
 I ride with non ebike riders all the time. It's simple... don't be a dick. Keep it in eco. Etc. Riding in places where ebikes are not allowed.... that thing still looks like an ebike. So the appearance is still going to be that an ebike is on the trail. That's not good. You'll spend half your ride explaining the battery isn't in the thing. Or people will report that e-bikes are out there because they're not going to waste the energy asking you because it looks like a damned bike with a motor hanging off the bottom. For me... this is stupid. Only benefit is that you can easily pull the battery for travel. Which is the case on a lot of bikes. I'd rather just have more power, more battery, beefier tires and 5 more pounds of weight. Want to try and slide one by people... try the trek or the Orbea.
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 Looks fantastic.
I’ve been looking forward to this bike for quite a while now.
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 13K for a bike, what a time to be alive.
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flag plustiresaintdead (Jan 31, 2023 at 8:06) (Below Threshold)
 It's actually a motorcycle
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 @plustiresaintdead: "Motorcycle" when justifying price, "pedal assist" when justifying riding that trail you're not supposed to be.
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 @ReformedRoadie: And it's heavy AF. I don't get it.... you can get a carbon Scor for $8k.
  • 6 0
 For all those arguing about how the weight without the battery compares to an analog bike with this build or that build...
It's very simple:
-The non-removeable motor in this bike weighs 4.3lbs
-It's safe to assume that there is AT LEAST another 2lbs of weight between the e-bike frame requirements, hatch door, control panel electronics, etc. Making this 'frame without the battery' about 6.5lbs heavier than an analog version of the bike given the same build.
So, this bike without the battery in it would be ~6.5lbs heavier than an equivalent travel analog Transition Spire.
That's actually a lot of weight increase for a pedal bike. For example: the weight difference between the downcountry Spur with GX and Spire with GX is less than 5lbs.
  • 8 1
 21000 for the top spec here in australia. The cheapest nx alloy is 12000. Rip off. And its not even a light bike considering theyve got exo tires on it. All the transition fanboys will eat it up
  • 1 0
 So you live here in Oz @Riwajc but on other posts bag us as racists. Lets see if can get your student visa cancelled and you deported eh?
  • 4 0
 Ebikes have needed a bash solution for a while now. Stoked to see @TransitionBikeCompany got the crank mounted bash on there. That said, what is the failure mode under hard impact? I'd image Fazua wont be keen on warrantying busted ETOR spindles if that bash is not crumpling first. Beyond that concern, this thing checks nearly all the boxes of what an ebike should be.
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 on most bikes, the bottom motor housing is lower than the chainring and keeps it from getting mauled.
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 But on this one, the chainring is lower!
  • 4 0
 I commend them for attempting to have it all in one bike. But as someone who regular rides a full powered Ebike (rocky with 108nm), a Fazua e- road bike and a regular trail bike, it seems like you have the worst case all the time. The Ebike mode won’t keep up with your full powered Ebike mates. And your enduro bike is super heavy. At least the got the paint scheme right by copying the 2015 YT Capra paint scheme. Still one of the best in my opinion (I had one). Link to photo. m.pinkbike.com/news/yt-capra-cf-pro-review-2015.html
  • 2 0
 Bold of you to assume people have that many mates to have two separate riding groups
  • 5 1
 I recently tried out a Orbea Rise, which has similar specifications as the Relay. While I am not a current ebike owner and still have mixed feelings of ebikes and their place out on the trails, I gotta say, there is something to the "light weight" ebike category. I really really enjoyed my ride with the Rise and I would seriously consider something like it, such as the Relay, as my first ebike. But then there is the $$$ factor.
  • 4 1
 As a dad who carries all my kids and my wife’s bikes around when traveling, the idea of only needing one bike for myself is very appealing. I assume this would qualify for racing in an analog enduro race and non eeb zone as well as be able to go out for big exploration ride in new zones. The concept is very tempting but I may have to wait a bit longer to see what other brands do and wait for prices to drop a bit.
  • 7 4
 "Its versatility allows you to take it on a road trip where your plans include riding in areas that are legal for eMTB's, and also areas that do not allow eMTB'." At least where I live eMTBs don't give a crap if the trail is legal for ebikes, so not sure who this selling point is for? And don't get all holier than thou on me that "riders in your area" are any different from SoCal to where you live. That's a hard sell.
  • 7 0
 Pretty sure law enforcement has just given up on pedal assist ebikes. A group I ride with consists of like 50% ebikes. We pass cops all the time in Laguna and aliso woods, and they don't really seem to care at this point. Like 40% of the people I see riding in SoCal are on Ebikes, regardless of legality. I don't see a problem with it as long as the ebikes are respectful about it. It does kinda bug me when Ebike riders will try and lecture me about not yeilding to them when they go pedaling up downhill trails they aren't allowed to be on in the first place.
  • 3 2
 @XTRider: I ride my Orbea Rise in a place that is no-ebikes. go by rangers and they don't say a thing. I am not sure what the point anymore is, either.
  • 2 1
 @Mtbdialed: How long untill people are riding their Surron’s and Stark’s on mtb trails? Oh wait the Class1 E-bike enforcement officers will prevent that.
  • 1 0
 @TOOTRIKK: it already happens. You know what also happens? full on motos(got passed by a KTM 300 once at my local) on MTB trails. Not saying it's fine, but it comes down to enforcement...

If you can't/won't enforce a rule or law, then it doesn't exist, effectively.
  • 4 0
 Breeze, River, Rocket.
C'mon...Why?
I'm a fan of the bike, but why can't we just use 1, 2 & 3?
Why is every bike company trying to come up with a fun-tastic new way to replace numbers?
  • 5 2
 You can call it what you want! How about water, gatorade and red bull!
  • 2 0
 I was looking forward to this bike being released. I have a yt decoy elite and hoped for a frame only option to keep my parts but as the PNW version is only listed in top spec guise or alloy I'm not so keen. The lack of a chain guide or the ability to fit one nails the coffin shut for me. Shame, as the motor seems to tick the boxes for my riding style.
  • 2 0
 Its a even bigger rip off here in oz
  • 2 0
 Thank goodness it's got proper internal routing not through-the-headset-race idiocy which seemed to be setting in amongst others. Love the paint job even if it reminiscent of a 2015 Capra as someone pointed out.

No shame about being a total Transition fanboy so this looks reeeeally appealing except for the one big kicker. No Shimano build. I simply won't buy a new bike with SRAM on it. It can simply F right off. At least do a frame only (obviously including all the eeb stuff) version!
  • 2 0
 "Going for a rip with friends on eMTB's? Power it up and head out. Going for a rip with some friends on mountain bikes? Simply remove the battery and hit the trail with no tools required."

Not sure what's newsworthy here, been riding my Transition with and without battery power for years ;-)

www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3201258

And yes, just like the Relay it is "... purpose-built with components to be ridden hard, making it one of the lighter, heavy hitting eMTBs on the market."
  • 2 0
 At first I thought this was some grandstanding about riding your bike so we'll that you kept up with your ebike buddies, but then I saw that ring on the rear wheel! What in tarnation!
  • 4 2
 Blimey. Amazed at the hate of ebikes. I remember lads saying full suspension and disk brakes wouldn't catch on.
And the Woke brigade on their high and mighty horse saying lithium batterys are bad. Isn't aluminium and carbon bad. Isn't having a bike worth £$ awful when people are starving?
I don't really care what you think. Just amazed how you think.
  • 3 0
 this is a really interesting idea...
not cheap, but I've been looking at an e-bike and a mullet enduro bike...what if they were one and the same??
  • 1 0
 Why buy one bike when you can buy two?
  • 2 0
 I have the Kenevo SL. Not a mullet, but light enough to where is super easy to manual annd whip, and rides just like the Spec Enduro only a little faster DH with the extra weight. This bike has the mullet appeal and the quiet motor unlike my angry swarm of bees noise that comes out of the Kenevo. And I love that you can take the battery out. That would make it really easy to go on group rides with the bitchy anti ebike friends lol.
  • 5 4
 Can someone spell out a motor power/battery life comparison to the Repeater, for us ebike neophytes?

Still feels like if you can hold out another few years, ebikes will be a ton better and at least not more money then.

38lbs isn't not doable with some fitness. But still 4lbs too hefty for daily driver status, without a battery, IMO.
  • 16 0
 A 10k enduro bike build is going to weigh 35 with real tires.
  • 5 0
 Great point. Curious if we'll see bolt-in titanium/alu BBs which weight 1-2lbs vs. the 4.85lb motor and truly give you 2 bikes in 1.
  • 6 0
 Depends on what you’re used to.

Most AL enduro bikes in size large or larger are going to be 36-39lbs with “actual” components on them.

My Banshee Titan was 37lbs with mid weight tires, WAO carbon wheels, and otherwise moderately weight conscious spec (Mezzer pro fork, Advent X drivetrain). And it’s only gotten heavier since then (DH tires and deore 11s).

I agree though. Love that weights and power are coming down. As soon as battery tech changes to solid state/something else lighter, I think we will see a lot of compelling products out there.
  • 12 0
 i have a friend who's always waiting 3 months for the next phone. He is always complaining about his phone, because that 3 months is 5 months and then there's another one on the horizon...he'll just wait for that one. Ebikes are getting better every second, and you should get one (just not the last size L, I want one too).

I've heard the Relay is keeping up with the Repeater on most rides...super fit dudes on both, dudes who'll pedal anything any day anywhere, so that's a factor, but yeah, I'd like to know too. I'm on a bike with an E8000 motor (70Nm), and the EP8s (85Nm) are roasting me...so this Fazua (60Nm) may not feel too different, and I'll be able to pedal around with the kids without having too much fun in their faces...
Anyways: i'm hyped. Let's go
  • 4 0
 My XL Nukeproof Giga with coil and dh tires weighs 39lbs it pedals nicely considering the weight but is slow af due to the sticky tires. I think the weight for the Relay seems pretty good
  • 3 2
 I could never get away from the feeling that I'm lugging around an uneeded 2kg of motor though. I wouldn't consider unless the motor was removable
  • 10 3
 My Spire alloy GX with carbon rims and DH tires is 37.7lbs with a small tool kit and heavyish flat pedals. I can pedal it up most of my local climbs - not fast, mind you, but I can get there eventually. And that's exactly why I am increasingly leaning toward an ebike. The ratio of uphill "this sucks" time to downhill "this is fun" time is like 7:1 and I'd like it to be a little more even. I have a job and family, so I only have so much time to ride, and I don't want to do 1 hour of climbing to get 10 minutes of descending anymore.
I think the Relay will be my next bike, but I'm also wondering what the alloy version will weigh. I'd guess 3-4lbs more than the carbon frame. So I'd bet a size large alloy NX build would be in the neighborhood of 46-47lbs with the battery, 42-43lbs without.
  • 4 0
 @BuckNasty44904: I’m absolutely with you and I think more people are arriving at the same logic. As a capable climber, trail ebikes seem almost pointless to me, whereas bikes that have a bias toward downhill but are a beast to climb – these are perfect as ebikes. I just wish the Relay had a smidge more rear travel with the 29wheels.
  • 4 0
 @Wabit: easy fix, just bump up the stroke to 65mm on your rear shock
  • 2 0
 @mattg95: remove motor install gear box. That would be sick.
  • 8 0
 @BuckNasty44904: I was in the same boat a few years ago. I’ve had an Orbea wild for 2 years now. It’s 52lbs. You are literally breaking for corners going uphill. The weight never bothered me other than it’s just slow if you’re not under the speed limit pedaling. When you hit 20 mph it’s very draggy and slow. Pedaling with it off is horrible. I’ve run out of power a few times… Now I find myself riding my regular bike more. I’m building an AL rise now that should come in around 45 lbs. I think this might be the answer. You don’t need the full power of a big e-bike unless you’re towing your kids which I used to or you have zero endurance. I think these mid weight versions are going to be where it’s at for riders who are in shape, but want to cover more ground.
  • 3 1
 @txcx166: it wont cover more ground. It is basically just underpowered and a slightly smaller battery. same drag. Also the aluminum is not super light in comparison to the wild. The carbon rise is much lighter, my gf's size small carbon rise is 37 lbs. My alloy rise is 47 lbs. I would say the new Wild seems good. Same weight as my alloy Rise but full powered and 50% more battery. And Bosch is infinitely better than Shimano
  • 2 0
 @kokofosho: So is your opinion that these types of bikes are basically a compromise that isn't worth it, ie. underwhelming e-bike ability and overbuilt analog-bike weight?

Seems like weight needs to come down a hair for them to be worth riding without the battery, at least for the range/power you get with the battery.
  • 1 0
 @BuckNasty44904: Do what makes you happy. Eff the haters! Time is precious. Trail and saddle time even more so.
  • 3 0
 @kokofosho: Supposedly the Fazua has almost no drag and actually disconnects from the drivetrain completely when the motor is turned off or batter is removed. I haven't ridden one- but I did go from an older shimano-powered eBike to a Trek with the TQ motor. The difference in drag is huge. TBH I don't worry too much about running out of battery since the bike is still good enough without the motor.
  • 1 1
 @Emailsucks98: this is hot. tell me more!
  • 1 0
 @txcx166: and this bike will weigh even more with real tires
  • 1 0
 @BuckNasty44904: this is probably the actual argument for an ebike.. i solved it with a se*y light hardtail, so the uphill sucks slightly less and it is fun enough on the downhills.. mind you, we are mostly talking some single trail and gravel and nothing too chunky on the DH.
  • 3 0
 @kokofosho: "Bosch is infinitely better than Shimano" I don't know about that. Ask someone that works in a bike store and has worked with both units and companies.
  • 1 0
 @cogsci: I'm with you. I had a motor fail on a Bosch commuter bike and the repair / replace process was brutal. Rough enough that I'm avoiding them at every juncture. Hashtag righttorepair etc...
  • 1 1
 @BuckNasty44904: So, getting more fit by pedaling "sucks",but getting to be more of a lard-ass having a motor doing your work for you doesn't.

I think you should clarify what your life goals really are. You say you are invested in your family, wouldn't you like to be around to see some grandkids? Maybe be able to run and play with them instead of checking out with arteriosclerosis?

Every pedal stroke you make is an investment in your future, everything a motor does for you is a withdrawal from that account. Trust me, I'm in my mid 60s and I've had 14 knee procedures and 9 foot or ankle surgeries. I'm not still going because I got a moped when things were tough. I'm still going because I put the work in.

Sure I'm not as fast as I used to be, but when I go to the doctor they always comment on how great my heart is. Forget instant gratification and start thinking long term. Especially if you actually care about your family...
  • 1 0
 @danger13: I think you misunderstand what riding an e-bike is like. It boosts your power. It’s not like you just soft pedal and it carries you up effortlessly. It’s like Greg Lemond said, “It never gets easier, you just go faster.” That’s what I’m after. I would still put out the same effort, still work my muscles and cardio, but I would spend less time on each climb, and do more of them. Pushing my body is still part of what I love about riding, but I’m looking for a more satisfying balance of time spent in the fun zone.
  • 4 0
 If my math adds up- their aluminum builds will come in around 46lbs- no longer a lightweight mid- assist e-bike
  • 5 0
 is it actually a release if you have none in stock? more like a preview.
  • 3 0
 Only “3+” months away. So, like July, then?
  • 5 3
 Does it come with oversized bolts & knocking frames that transition have been making recently? what about the BB shells falling out?(this last one is a joke as clearly the relay has a motor instead)
  • 4 2
 You're a Transition troll. I bet you think it would be way better with a +1 offset headset.
  • 1 0
 @Theadventuresofziggman: have you ever ridden the sentinel with a +1? dont comment till you try it.
I also Own TR bikes so..........
  • 4 2
 I was ready to pull the trigger on one until my local shop told me the prices. Builds are terrible for the $.
I like the concept and the bike looks great. But $13500 for a meh build?
  • 6 1
 Why do you have to have AXS? Also GX these days are way better than XO a few years ago.
  • 2 0
 @megatryn: the gx build is worse value. That’s the price I actually meant to quote. Not an AXS fan.
  • 2 0
 @megatryn: btw someone that has as many bikes as your profile says shouldn’t be asking / judging what others want. Just saying…Smile
  • 2 1
 @BermJunky: Well, this bike will be replacing both my Revel Rascal and my Trek Powerfly LT4. (I know I'm lucky to be in a position where I can have a well equipped bike park, but that shouldn't forfeit my askingability Razz ) Also I have both own(ed) bikes with GX, XO, Deore, XT and XTR over the years, and Deore and GX is better than meh. Yeah, it's not as exciting as XTR or XX1, but it's way better than meh. For pricing tho, all bikes are currently expensive, so seeing them against the other bikes it's quite decent priced.

I do have a Relay PNW GX on order to be clear.
  • 2 1
 @BermJunky: Just to be clear: Yes bikes are f#*%in expencive nowadays. Value has to be seen against it's peers at any given moment in time, not against it's peers from a different time (ie. pre C19).
  • 2 0
 @megatryn: it’s not necessarily the transmission that is underwhelming, but all the other components. it is a theme with all transition builds.
  • 3 0
 I really like this bike....great job Transition. Now, to let the recession take hold and get these prices down to my attainable level....
  • 1 0
 Hopefully the new firmware will be released and vetted by March. The current FAZUA firmware is very unreliable from my experience. Riders are having problems powering it up after a full charge. There are.a few work around tricks to get it functioning. Reset the battery by removing bash guard and plugging battery direct to charging port. The other option is to hold the ring control down for 10 seconds. The app has very little features other than changing rider profile. No bells or whistles like remaining mileage or mapping like Specialized or Trek. The good news is the motor seems rock solid and is very silent in all conditions.
  • 1 0
 Saying "starting at 42.5/37.5 pounds" is a little misleading. Is that the lightest option or the heaviest? If that's the weight of the alloy base model, holy shit that's amazing. If that aluminum bike weighs 8 pounds more (as I'm guessing it does, at least) it's not quite as versatile as the copy might insinuate.
  • 2 1
 I've got some bad news for all the ebike haters who now pretend to care about the environment to justify their hatred. If you eat meat, and especially if you live in the PNW where most electricity is hydroelectric, an ebike is greener than you on your analog bike.
  • 1 0
 I like and I don't like ebikes. They are just too damn ugly. Like the child of a hiabike. It feels soulless riding mine. Absolutely soulless and yes I suddenly prefer the Nukeproof Scout with Fox36 that I've also built up. Oh and I'm old like ebiker old.
  • 7 3
 @TransitionBikeCompany missed huge on the price point.
  • 3 0
 Costs the same as the Bold, but looks cleaner and is maybe not even heavier without the battery? Crazy times.
  • 3 2
 Honestly, it looks a looks a lot better than the other eebs out there. That downtube is probably skinnier than a lot of analog Santa Cruz bikes. Just lose the heavyhanded decals and bring back deep sea green.
  • 4 0
 And like any Transition bike, good luck finding one.
  • 1 2
 You just need to know the right people ...
  • 3 0
 how many rainier tall boys can you fit in the downtube? this is the mobile cooler that no one knew they needed Big Grin
  • 4 1
 @TransitionBikeCompany Ok, now that the boring stuff is out of the way, please give us the new Smuggler already!
  • 3 1
 It is actually the very first E-mtb that I am actually interested in buying. GX models (either carbon or alloy PNW) sounds about right to me.
  • 3 0
 Please stop mixing up battery energy capacity (Wh) with power (W)....thanks.
  • 2 0
 Came here to say this. So glad we've moved beyond measuring capacity in (m)Ah, but now we get motor power in Wh instead lol
  • 1 0
 I guess Shimano still suffers from supply chain issues. Their RDs shift better under load and seem to be a better choice for bikes. Please sell a frame and battery only at some point Transition.
  • 1 0
 I can't imagine why I would ride an e-bike without the battery... You know if you are a strong climber you're gonna get called out for riding an e-bike so you may as well ride an e-bike. Looks good but I'm not there yet.
  • 10 7
 Lightweight and Transition, two words you don't see together much.
  • 11 3
 What do you mean? A lot of their carbon frames are among best in class for weight
  • 8 3
 @norcalbike: what are you smoking?

Transition makes great bikes but they’re not light.
  • 9 4
 @Circe: spire and sour frames are both very light compared to the competition in their categories. Do your research before you chat shit
  • 7 4
 @norcalbike:

I can't even.....

Transition Spur, 120/120 XC frame.
Weight: 2140g / 4.72 lbs

Ibis Ripley, 130/120 Trail frame.
Weight: 2090 g / 4.61 lbs.

Stumpjumper 140/130mm trail frame
Weight: 2125/ 4.69 lbs

Transitions *cross country bike* is literally heavier than some brands trail bikes. That doesn't take anything away from the Spur. It's a phenomenal bike. It's just not light.

Ok, your turn. Let's see your research. Maybe you can enlighten me?
  • 1 0
 @Circe: following
  • 6 0
 @Circe: Here's an attempt at enlightenment...

Where are you getting that Ibis Ripley weight from?

Ibis website: www.ibiscycles.com/bikes/ripley
Scroll down to specs section
Copy and paste...
Frame Weight 5.4 lbs (2430g), Medium, Red, w/o shock

Transition website: www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Spur.cfm
Look at specs chart - bottom row, far right frameset option
Copy and paste...
5.4 lbs/2.45 kg (Size MD w/shock)

KEY - the Ibis weight is WITHOUT the shock...the transition spur is WITH the shock

Are you referencing the Exie?

Transition alloy frames are heavy...their carbon ones are on the lighter side
  • 4 1
 @Circe: technically the Spur isn't a XC bike, it's down country.....
  • 2 1
 @Circe:

Well...looks like one of the sources is wrong - so I guess we can both be right haha

I still consider transition carbon frames to be on the lighter weight side of things (mostly due to the simplicity of the horst-link / four-bar suspension of most of their bikes). With enough of a budget you can get on low 33 lb spires and high 31 lb sentinels with DH casing tires
  • 2 0
 I will buy the water bottle that fits where the battery goes for the long days out on the bike.
  • 5 2
 Get the F#$kin brake like out of the G&D&mned FRAME! Seriously.
  • 3 4
 I placed a deposit on one but have 2 major issues:

1) the lack of a frame only option SUCKS.
2) the removable battery is just a huge failure point and also appears to be adding 2-3#s. The removable battery thing just needs to die.
  • 26 1
 why did you placed a deposit on it lol removable battery is the whole point of this bike
  • 1 1
 @souknaysh: Best geo, & Transition is a known entity.

It's not like there are any other HP TQ or F60 motored Enduro travel bikes available in the states at this time.

The Forestal products are solid and a similar category though.
  • 3 0
 But you placed a deposit
  • 1 0
 @slayersxc17: Yah, I'll probably buy it in spite of these shortcomings.
  • 6 0
 I’m on board with you on the frame only option, but I couldn’t disagree more about the removable battery. We all know Li-ion batteries degrade over time. I don’t like the idea of having to scrap an entire frame when the battery is toast. I haven’t heard of anyone having issues with the removable batteries falling out or whatever on any e-bikes. I would expect Transition of all companies to do plenty of testing in the real world to ensure that it’s not gonna fall out.
  • 2 0
 @SunsPSD: I've seen options for frame only. You might have to contact directly for that though.
For me removable battery is a must! That's the biggest appeal to this bike. You are clearly not the audience for this bike.
  • 1 0
 @BuckNasty44904: a repair to replace a non removable battery every 5 years isn't a big deal.

A non 15 second removal battery doesn't mean it can be disassembled and removed.
  • 1 0
 *can't be
  • 1 1
 @SunsPSD: You think they will have replacement batteries 5 years from now? Unless this battery becomes common in other bikes and manufacturers, you will be out of luck. This is a one off proprietary battery. Same issue exists for all e-bikes until standards are adopted.
  • 1 0
 @Baller7756: The Fazua 60 is a very common product owned by Porsche. They will probably offer a more energy dense drop in battery in 5 years.
Besides, if they don't make a battery for you, you'll still be in the situation with a removal battery.
  • 3 0
 Show pics of the alloy @TransitionBikeCompany
  • 3 1
 Transition really are the best mountain bike brand out there. They literally don't make a bad bike.
  • 1 0
 I love how Transition was one of the few holdouts in keeping external rear brake routing. Looks like that has changed with these bikes.
  • 4 1
 Thank you for using the term “regular ” and not analog.
  • 3 0
 Absolutely crazy pricing, especially with so many unsold bikes in stock.
  • 1 2
 Ok let's go for the numbers for example. A person who buy an electric bike like this will use the bike as a normal one when the battery is drained, so full weight (battery installed, you will not dump the battery in the bushes). A person using normally an ebike will have (lets say) less strength to move the bike normally, without the battery will be a plus but if you get it drained you need to pedal the full weight with a 32T chain ring. If you can't even pedal a normal bike without motor you will be having a very hard time returning to home with that chain ring. And lets be real, nobody with an ebike will try to ride it without the battery, first lack of strength and second if you want to do it you need to change the chain ring to be able to move it a few kms.
  • 2 1
 Why do you need a carbon e-bike with a high end drivetrain? I thought he e motor was supposed to substitute what you could not accomplish on your own
  • 3 1
 Long term review dropping tomorrow.
  • 5 0
 Kazimer mentioned on a PB Podcast that he's been riding an EMTB with horribly rattling battery. Wonder if this is it...
  • 5 0
 @jimsantos: that might be a pivot as they've just released a tech document to fix the rattle!
  • 2 0
 So stoked for this bike... nice work Transition!
  • 2 1
 Looks like that battery is going to rattle and rub the paint right off the frame.
  • 3 1
 Literally no one will ride this tank without the battery.
  • 2 0
 Can it really be modular without even one Picatinny rail?
  • 1 0
 They will sell a ton of these… curious to see if it holds up better than the Repeater
  • 2 2
 Are there reliability problems with the Repeater? Almost 1 year and over 1k miles on mine and never a single problem, its such a fantastic bike.
  • 3 2
 Seems like you either get a low powered e-bike or a heavy ass pedal bike. I'm confused as to who would want this.
  • 1 0
 @TransitionBikeCompany soooo was that shot on Bob’s? Second, no first left after the fork after the cairn?
  • 1 1
 Go get a yt decoy mx, they're half the price. After a few months riding you get used to the weight and actually use it to your advantage.
  • 1 0
 I just want to know if anyone is going to buy this abomination…seriously guys.
  • 1 0
 @norcalbike: Transition Spire, M, 7.6 lbs w/ shock

Scott Ransom, M, 5.95 lbs w/ Shock
  • 21 21
 What sort of backward country wouldn't allow emtb on the same trails as MTB? Oh yeah....
  • 3 1
 we're workin' onnit..... Cities, Counties, Townships are welcoming e-mtbs on the trails within their jurisdictions, whereas the stodgy State and Federal government administrator folks are woefully on their heels playing a slow game of 'what's an ebike?' It's frustrating, but not surprising.
  • 4 2
 Affordable
  • 2 0
 I don’t hate it.
  • 4 0
 File under: "not a ringing endorsement."
  • 1 0
 Can they release some stock in France for existing bikes before ?
  • 8 9
 Karen: You cant ride that bike here, look at the sign, no ebikes!

Rider: But I took the battery out, look!

Karen: Still an ebike buddy, still an ebike . . .
  • 9 0
 Still making Karen jokes 3 years after they started. My man is going strong
  • 4 1
 @noodlewitnosteeze: As far as i can tell, Karens are still out there, everywhere. So still relevant, I think. :-)
  • 4 0
 @noplacelikeloam: Oh yes an English Karen bellowed at me this very Sunday for riding within 6ft of her in the National Peak District . The husband was silent and looked down trodden poor fella .
  • 2 0
 @noplacelikeloam: Relevant? Yes. Derivative? Yes.
  • 2 0
 Looks fantastic
  • 5 4
 It is and analog and ebike. Ebike haters are in a a quandary. Lol.
  • 2 1
 This is the future. Look for other brands doing similar things soon.
  • 3 6
 Having to remove the battery from the frame to charge it is a bit disappointing. Most bikes already offer this so selling it as a bonus and making it mandatory is a which odd marketing strategy. I understand it can be helpful for some people but I’d argue most people want to charge the battery in the frame via a charging port
  • 12 0
 This style appeals to me actually. Bike stays in the garage. Battery comes in for a charge. I don't have to run an extension cord to the bike. Maybe other brands include a battery enclosure cover that is separate from the battery itself, but I haven't seen that either. The other brands I've seen when you pull the battery out you're left with a gaping hole. This model lets you cover that hole and protect the battery socket. All in all I think Transition did a nice job here.
  • 2 0
 A lot of new light eMTBs now have integrated batteries to keep the weight down due to the cloes downtube. Scott, Specialized, Orbea, etc. So it is indeed a bonus compared to those.
  • 2 0
 i like that you can remove it but having to remove it is annoying.
  • 4 0
 required removal for charging is way better than a battery that doesn't come out.
  • 1 0
 @kokofosho: Personally do not like having a charging plug on the side of the bike as it's one more place for water or mud to foul the system. I don't trust the little rubber caps to protect too much. Especially when they put it lower on the bikes by the motor - worst placement ever.
  • 2 0
 @BenLow2019: fellow Norco VLT owner..
  • 2 1
 Silly. The filter is broken.
  • 1 1
 this bike will be 25-30% off at LBS soon just like bikes use to be. 11k for the carbon moday PNW come on......
  • 8 7
 All builds are SRAM?? yuck!
  • 2 0
 getting closer......
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 Anyone know if that know it all bi polar waki is still around on pinkbike?
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 I like that you can turn this into a normal bike when the electronics fail and you got no other bike for 2 months
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 @TransitionBikeCompany waiting for a gravel bike next Smile
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 The ring controller is so junky it's disgusting
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 XX build...
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 In 3 years only old crusty guys on 1x10 Ti Builds will be riding acoustic. They will talk about the good old days at the Micro Brew while they stroke their beard and eat some fried pickles.
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 Exactly. All economic indicators show that in 3 years, everyone will have 8k to spend on an ebike.
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 But the question is…fried spears or chips? And what’s the dipping sauce? It better be farm to table ranch and pitchers of lavender chili IPAs
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 I'm not fooled by that 'slimming' paint job. That downtube is thick!
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 Kudos! This bike has both sides of the Eeebs argument covered...
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 Ebike haters are having a fit, every bike manufacturer has to have an bike to stay in the business.
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 Define Lightweight
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 Its a sick bike. For real.
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 Thing looks clean, nice job transition!
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 Graphics look like a bike from 2010
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 That's a cool and versatile bike.
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 Very, very Nice!
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 So can you run it at 170/170 with 29er wheels? Dual crown compatibility ?
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 Yrs
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 transition says no on the dual crown
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 Im pretty sure its 160 rear with 29. For 170 gotta be a mullet
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 @whiskyshooter: The Relay can be run at 170mm rear travel with 29, no clearance issues. It doesn't matter which build you purchase (Relay/Relay PNW), either can be converted to the other. For instance, if you purchase a Relay (dual 29, 160mm travel), but would like to run it 170, you can easily remove the travel reducer in the shock and get a 170 air spring for your fork. If you'd then like to try mixed wheels, you can easily swap in a rear wheel and change the flip chip in the lower shock mount to account for the geo change. We offer the two build styles in an effort to give riders the bike they want right out of the gate, but we didn't want to limit anyone from changing the bike to fit their needs.
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 @TransitionBikeCompany: thanks for clarifying.
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 @TransitionBikeCompany: Any remote chance of a Shimano build or frame only? I'd love one of these but will not go down the Sram road again.
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 @veero: Ditto
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 @veero: Same!

I bought a Spire XT and love it. A year in I've only changed the bars for OneUp.

A similar build relay would be super tempting : XT/OneUp/DT. Perfect build for me
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 @TransitionBikeCompany: can you confirm that dual crowns are not approved? even on the aloy builds?
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 @VinzenzFSR: do you really need them now that Zeb 190 is out? I’m not strong enough to be able to tell the difference in stiffness between that and a Fox 40 when I ride.
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 @Jvisscher: sometimes it’s not about stiffness but about feeling badass
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 @norcalbike: definitely. DH forks are way sicker looking!
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