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The Wednesday Tune 29 - The Meaning of Grip

Apr 1, 2020 at 17:22
by Vorsprung Suspension  

This lockdown isn't much fun, but it does give us time to make more videos! This is part 1 of a 2 part episode about the nature of grip. Largely esoteric, this is not a setup guide, but rather a concept based discussion about some of the very fundamentals of maximising grip.

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9 Comments
  • 1 0
 Can you get these latest videos added to the main news page, like earlier tuesday tunes? They're fascinating, but I only recently found your other ones like the geometry discussion.
Also, what level of sophistication do you go to in your modelling? For instance: either sinusoids, step inputs or real bump profiles as inputs to a time stepping model with tyre, wheel and fork stiffnesses and then spring and damper response?
  • 2 0
 Not up to us sorry - these are all submitted to the PB editors, they choose whether to publish them on the front page or not.

The level of detail involved in any model is dependent on what we're trying to get out of it. Some of them are really simple calculations that don't need to go into crazy levels of detail, some of them are extremely detailed models that took months or years to develop. Like when you start trying to model rider response for example Smile
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 Thanks for the response. Quite sophisticated then! Do you think there is anyone else in mtb suspension going to that level of detail?
Are you starting largely from scratch with those models? I'd guess the only starting points (that aren't top secret) would be phd theses rather than models developed by moto gp or motocross teams?
  • 2 0
 @jayray32: don't know what other people are doing for sure, but judging by the generally iterative approaches we see to a lot of suspension development it's somewhat apparent that modeling is not widespread - and there's a reason for that, the rider basically ruins a huge amount of calculations.

MotoGP has very different priorities to MTB and a whole bunch of different concerns that we just don't have. MX is a little closer but still a very different beast, and even then I've never seen much in the way of
  • 1 0
 @VorsprungSuspension: Thanks for that, very interesting to hear. Part of my interest was in trying to get an idea of how much engineering there actually is in the bike industry; and whether it is worth attempting to get into working in such a small field
  • 1 0
 What’s the extra silver canister at the bottom of your fork leg Steve, I’m hoping it’s a tractive tuning kit for a fork ;-)
  • 1 0
 That houses some accelerometers.
  • 1 0
 Great to see the videos again! Would love to see a video on your personal bike setup







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