Press ReleaseThere's no shortage of carbon rim and wheel options out there, with prices ranging from "maybe one day" to "maybe if I win the lottery,'' but the majority of them are manufactured overseas to try and keep margins up and retail costs from rivaling a week-long vacation in Monaco. Instead, they only cost as much as two-week vacation Mexico, which is a little better, I guess. We Are One Composites is a new player, and they're doing things a bit differently by building their rims in their Kamloops, B.C., facility in Canada using only fiber that's been sourced in the United States.
You'd be forgiven for thinking that approach would add up to a set of 'lottery wheels' with a sticker price around or above the $2,500 USD range, much like ENVE's wheels or Bontrager's new US-made Line XXX wheelset. But you'd be wrong - We Are One's Agent wheelset goes for $1,625 USD, and an Agent rim costs $430 USD. Yeah, those are still much higher numbers than an aluminum wheelset, but they're also pretty impressive for Canadian-made carbon components with materials sourced in the United Staes.
There's an interesting narrative behind We Are One Composites and why they're taking a route that's arguably more difficult in many ways than sourcing an overseas-made carbon rim, and we'll be visiting their factory soon to tell that story. For now, though, you can read about their first products in the press release from We Are One Composites below. -
Mike Levy
We Are One Composites is growing 'The Movement,' the movement towards manufacturing in North America and re-firing a shrinking local industry. By starting up Canada's first carbon fiber rim manufacturing facility in Kamloops, B.C., we are going to challenge industry norms and bring a whole new level of product and customer service to the market. Below, we peeled back the layers to show you some of the changes we have brought so you can learn more about our "built in-house" policy.
All of our rims began with extensive FEA design process. We utilize the software to engineer the layup design, and precise ride characteristics we want to achieve from the rim. The analysis allows us to pinpoint the initial layup design and use it as a baseline for testing and confirming if we are on target. With the design of The Agent, we worked for months on our model's just to come up with a baseline for where to begin and before any molds were even cut. This powerful software allows for inputs like resin characteristics, fiber type, and orientation. All of this data was used to fine tune the Agent rim's layup.
The largest portion of any carbon manufactured part is the mold machining and the post-cure labor. We have a full machine shop in-house that allows for precision mold making. Having complete control over the molding process has cut the need for 90% of the post-mold labor and has created the ability to produce perfect naked parts. That means no fibers are disturbed by additional sanding or touch ups. Lean manufacturing is also implemented throughout our entire process.
LAYUP
While We Are One is trying to be as transparent a company as possible, there are some things we need to keep behind the factory doors. What we can share is that our layup consists of fiber that is made in the USA by a supplier that known for their aerospace expertise. We Are One has signed contracts with our provider and must not sell any fiber to outside countries, and this raw material is not available outside of North America. The advanced engineering that our supplier brings to the table has provided some great insight on many elements of the layup design. The rest is, well, "Mum's the word!"
Each rim layup is CNC cut and hand laid into the mold. Our layup crew consists of two sturdy ex-pro DH racers. Shane "Showtime" Jensen and Wayne Parsons bring a long history in the bike industry, and both have knowledge from product testing and years of competing.
TESTING
Impact testing was one of the main focus points with our design. We looked to set new boundaries and design the rim structure to absorb impacts in order to withstand them.
The Result
The Agent - 27.5" or 29" Rim
Check out how Canadian Made CAN compete
The Agent is designed for the enduro market. Both 27.5'' and 29'' are built up for the most demanding days. The layup difference between the 27.5'' and 29'' has rewarded the 29er with only a 10-gram increase in weight per rim. This keeps the ever popular 29er at an even better advantage. The goal for the 29'' rim was to get the weights as close as possible and keep the ride feel and strength virtually on par. The shallow depth and layup design have alleviated the typical rigid/harsh feeling most have come to discuss carbon rims as feeling.
Agent Rim • Internal width = 30mm
• Depth = 25mm
• Weight = 480g for 27.5'' rim, 490g for 29'' rim (+/- 10g)
• Holes = 32
• Tire Size = 2.35-2.6"
• MSRP: $575 CAD, $430 USD
• Contact:
We Are One Composites The Agent is the trifecta of design. A shallow 25mm rim depth gives an active ride feel on the trail. The depth is supported by stout 3.5mm thick rim lips that are engineered to absorb impacts. The internal rim width of 30mm will allow you to confidently run 2.35 - 2.6 tires from all your favorite brands. The spoke holes are all angle drilled and offset by 2mm to make for optimal spoke angle and increased nipple engagement.
The Agent - 27.5" or 29" Wheelset
All the bells and whistles
When searching for a reliable hub match for The Agent, we tested multiple companies offerings. The final decision was Project 321. They offered a low overall weight, durability in both bearing life and construction, and most of all, a partner that shares similar beliefs in manufacturing. The 216 point of engagement, magnetic pawl drive system comes in either a loud or quiet setting. It truly is as instant engagement as a pawl hub can get with only 1.8-degrees of ramp. All of the hubs have Japanese-made EZO bearings, and the hubs are made in the USA and are laced up using Sapim's Race spokes and the industry leading Sapim Double Square Secure-Lock nipples.
Agent Wheelsets • Internal width = 30mm
• Depth = 25mm
• Weight = 1810g for 27.5 and 1840g for 29 rims (+/- 10g)
• Holes = 32
• POE = 216
• Tire Size = 2.35-2.6"
• MSRP: $2,175 CAD, $1,625 USD
• Contact:
We Are One Composites The Agent wheelset is built for the most demanding of riders. The 29er comes laced 2-cross for added support and lateral stiffness, and the 27.5'' comes 3-cross laced for a traditional build. All the wheels are pre-taped and have custom valve engraving available.
Like mtb shoes, many times your getting 2(sets) for said price..not always tho.
So favor what you like best:
DT SWISS XM421 rim : aluminium, 27.5, 25 mm inner width, 440g ~ 100 USD
www.dtswiss.com/Components/Rims-MTB/XM-421
One composite Agent rim: carbon, 27.5, 25 mm inner width, 480g 430 USD
Superiority of carbon rims vs aluminium is still to demonstrate.
I still don't get the MTB carbon wheels BS hype...
I don't know were you get that most carbon rims will take a greater beating than alu at similar weight, since from all sources, this is precisely the contrary that happens, for instance just check vitalmtb 2017 test session where the blew the only 2 carbon rims of the whole 17 bike review.
DT XM series are their all-mountain rims, just below the EX series in term of toughness, which are Rude's choice for EWS and Gwin's tireless run rims...
And DT XM's are 500 g in 27.5, 25 mm inner width, so barely 20 g more than the agent rim, which is nothing if you consider their plus/minus 10% fabrication tolerance.
By the way I barely see a carbon rim sustained a tireless run...
So favor what you like best:
DT SWISS XM421 rim : aluminium, 27.5, 25 mm inner width, 440g ~ 100 USD
www.dtswiss.com/Components/Rims-MTB/XM-421
One composite Agent rim: carbon, 27.5, 25 mm inner width, 480g 430 USD
Superiority of carbon rims vs aluminium is still to demonstrate.
I still don't get the MTB carbon wheels BS hype...
>I was going to make this comment, you just arrived first. :-D
Agent compare to DT XM 481 which are 30 mm inner width, 490 g in 27.5 for 100 $, so same weight for both rims.
www.dtswiss.com/Components/Rims-MTB/XM-481
I understand your point about locally sourced products and standup, but I find that the "made proudly here" is somehow a kind of sale argument that deals more with buyer's heart than reason.
Let me made it clear : a product manufactured overseas doesn't mean the company isn't locally involved.
For instance I ride a Knolly Warden. Even if it is manufactured in Asia, the company is Canadian, with R&D, design and sale offices employing peoples here, and they are strongly supportive to their rider's communities, trail builders and shops.
But producing overseas allow them to lower their prices and then make their products available for most of us riders. If they had to produce here, then the costs will be higher and less will benefit from the company involvement and this involvement will be less since the company make less money.
So I'm quite happy that some high end companies still find the courage to source locally their products for some happy few, but unfortunately, I will never put 860 $ in a pair of rims, locally sourced or not, given the fact that I can get the same functionality for 200$, from a well respected, long term established company.
It can seems hard, but I have two beautiful little girls, and I have to be pragmatic in how I spend my money for leisure.
In the present economical context, we have to be honest and recognize that we vastly benefit from overseas low production costs.
It shattered the rim but I ended up riding down - and doing 3 more laps on it - an alloy wheel would of folded up and made me crash. Good carbon wheels are very strong compared to a similar weight alloy wheel. @gnralized:
About 10 years ago we did!
S.I. >>> Imperial.
how bout a 26 inch and a 20 inch option?
36 hole count please.
would look sick laced up to some phil woods.
check 'em out, absolutely no reason to pay top dollar for carbon wheels from any other mfg.
everyone I know runs them...racing/dh/park laps/xc...they're as solid and reliable as any other set of carbon wheels...of course you'll eventually blow them up if you ride hard. That said, one of our xc buddies who is a bit more cautious has been on the same pair for 3+years.
I would ask if Light Bicycle has given wheels away to local riding clubs, contributed actual dollars to building trails and supported local associations in your area. This is where a lot of the added value in our costs end up.
Let your product do the talking. It looks good, focus on that, not pointing out how much support company xyz does.
"That said, one of our xc buddies who is a bit more cautious has been on the same pair for 3+years."
What, am I drunk or....?
If WeAreOne's target is a niche group of riders, of course guys like jovian won't be able to afford them. Hell, I can't afford them either, and I'm a single, male, white collar professional. It is what it is, it's not a problem. Don't neg prop the guy who comes along for trying to help out- it's a snob move, tbh. I probably get neg'd too, but hey, I feel ya, man. You ride what you can afford. If that's cheap ass carbon wheels, go nuts. If they're these sick ass wheels, great! We should all be happy that we're all able to get out and ride.
Not everyone is a barney incapable of proper line choice and smooth riding. The XC guy I am referring to has 3 sub 9hr Leadville 100 finishes, 2 on LB wheels. He isn't a rowdy rider, doesn't land sideways/huck to flat like a retard, and is relatively light weight (probably 170lb?).
I'm more of a DH guy myself, but the point is..."cheap Chinese carbon" really doesn't translate to shit QC/longevity in the case of LB.
I think it's great this company is fully supporting their community. Truth is, I barely skimmed the article, but saw someone saying they can't afford carbon wheel offerings and wanted to pass along sage advice that was given to me years ago.
Maybe LB is less reliable for heavy riders that either ride hard or just monster truck? I wouldn't know as my buddies and I don't fit in either category.
If you race professionally or at least competitively, I can understand paying more for other offerings that you consider more reliable.
I bought an extra set of LB wheels laced to hopes for $800-900...crash replacement "enduro" rim was $200 inclusive of shipping...
forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/we-one-composites-1047889.html
Awesome that you know the industry from being an owner of nobl/lb. And the intro of your team is a nice touch.
My hardtail currently has Stan's arch mk3's 28 spoke with hope pro 4, but my new (2 rides in) full suspension fuel ex 8 only has duster elites.
My last full suspension anthem previous to this ride had Evo 2's with Stan arch ex's.
Send in your info to info@weareone.bike and I would be happy to chat.
I got a set of IBIS 941s and they've transformed the bike in terms of responsiveness. So for me - a 29er carbon wheel is a must have.
All the very best for the new business.
We looked at the numbers, placed a superb team together, purchased the tooling and set up a factory that can compete without question. Thanks for the kind words. Cheers
If a carbon rim will last me a full season in the bike park, compaired to destroying 3 alu wheels a season...sign me up!!!
It also reminded me of an old post of Alchemy Bikes and about them manufacturing their carbon frames in NA.
www.pinkbike.com/news/the-impossible-bike-carbon-built-here-in-the-usa-sea-otter-2016.html
All the best!
Best of luck, @WeAreOne!!!
Anyway, I never was interested by carbon wheels but those hubs seem really cool!
I really wish them good luck!
can these be purchased with i9 or ck hubs? and why did you guys choose project321?
Rims looks good, would be neat to see the facility. Also curious if experience at RR was Smiths Aerospace? Same industry I've been in for a while now....
Fraser worked in Derby for RR
Also, HAAS is spelled wrong, woops!
Looking forward to seeing how we are one can impact the market.
I did not start NOBL Wheels, but I was part owner of NOBL Wheels and the company that is now Light Bicycle North American.
There were many reasons why I left to start-up. We Are One and am super excited to have this new opportunity in front of me now. I hope we can bring value to our customers, show them we are engaging in local initiatives and associations across N.A. and truly help promote our sport with this company. We all look forward to the years ahead and hope we can earn some business because of our hard work.
p.s. I saw you race a few times back in the day! keep on ripping dude!
Alloy doesn't mean cheap in all cases.
And with most wheel sets the costs are in the hubs and spokes. $230/rim is super reasonable when companies like ENVE are trying to charge 4 digit prices for a rim.
You could take a piss before a ride to save carrying an extra 125g?