Want to Make the Bike Park Radder? - WMBP Trail Engaged

Aug 9, 2016 at 10:32
by WhistlerMountain BikePark  
We're in the business of getting rad.

Introducing Trail Engaged; a digital suggestion box straight to the Bike Park team. If you have an idea of how to improve the Bike Park, fix a specific part of the trail, enhance a jump or add a berm, make a new type of trail, or simply just provide your feedback, we want to know.

The Trail Crew are receiving suggestions from riders every day and we know not every suggestion can be done. But for the first time, Trail Engaged provides a platform for your comments to be heard. Every week we share your comments and look for ways to immediately improve the Park or work general themes into future planning.

So it's time to be heard. SUBMIT YOUR SUGGESTION today.

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So far, we have received a ton of really great feedback. Many of the recommendations that come in relate to sections of trail we are already working on, or have plans to work on before the end of the season. But, the Bike Park team has also received many ideas that they hadn't thought of before. Below are five suggestions from our inbox that highlight some cool ideas:

1. More jumps less bumps! Another trail similar to A-line would be awesome and I feel a lot of people would like that. And I understand that breaking bumps are unavoidable but in some parts of A-Line they really need to be worked on. And possibly build another jump trail similar to crank it up. There are way less jump trails then tech stuff and I think a lot of people prefer jump trails. Thank you for the opportunity to give feedback, see you in September!

2. I really like the last feature on the new crab apple hits (the on/off dirt box) something like that would be really awesome on aline or dirt merchant it would be awesome if you can do it some time.

3. Hi, First off, great job with the bike park this season. The amount of work done for opening day and early in the season was remarkable. My request is for more technical single track around the single black/easier double black level. My favourite trails include No Joke, Afternoon Delight/Original Delight exit, O-sin and Schleyer. I'm hoping some of the new Creekside trails are in that vein.

4. Hi guys, Awesome work in the park, but can you fix the ride out for the last roll on Detroit Rock City (you know where it merges with Clown Shoes). It is so beat up now it is like riding through stairs. That would be awesome, keep up the good work otherwise!

5. It would be nice to have one more flow trail at the base that will spread people out off of Heart Of Darkness and Lower Aline that will always be there and won't need to get rebuilt every summer. I know there is a lack of space but it would be rad to have one more. Down hill pump track with doubles and triples. The joy cross trail in the bone yard is nice but it gets plowed every fall. Thanks for all your hard work making this place rad.

Whistler Bike Park Update - Opening Day
Photo - Mitch Winton, Coast Mountain Photography

Thank you to all of the riders who have submitted comments so far! Keep letting us know your thoughts, and don't forget to thank the Trail Crew when you see them on the trails!


MENTIONS: @WhistlerMountainBikePark


  • 77 6
 "Just keep doing the good work you have been doing for years and try and salvage any part of your soul that Vail will allow you to keep."
  • 36 3
 It's mostly pretty damn good really. I'm gonna go with:
1. More lift-accessed trailbike epics. There's already a couple off TOTW but down the back of cakehole there's potential for so much more. Million dollar area too, but even cooler would be something like a TOTW style trail going the other way, parallel(ish) to the High Note trail. Musical Bumps to singing pass would be nice but obviously some of that is provincial park. Maybe something out to Symphony/Flute area and down to Singing Pass? Seems like a massively untapped market right now, riding in the alpine is rad and you only have one trail for it.
2. Steeper berms. Not higher. Just steeper. Ninja Cougar has the right idea.
3. Reroute Kashmir so it doesn't go uphill every 3 seconds. It's gonna be in the park soon enough...
4. Bigger squirrel catcher at the start of A-line. The number of people on there who simply should NOT be on there is mind boggling. Maybe another one at each entrance in the form of a mandatory double.
5. A sign that clearly outlines reasonable jump line progression: ride Crank It Up until you can consistently and safely clear everything, then do the same on C-More and Blue Velvet before you decide A-line is a good idea. Make sure you can consistently clear everything on A-line before hitting Dirt Merchant, and again on DM before you even think about Crabapple.
6. Freeride zone down Lower Insanity ski run.
7. WB-owned rental bikes that are actually maintained and not deathtraps.
8. Fix D1
9. More trails like Dustys and Love Anal with fast wide open loose flat corners, ideally bunted off. Please ignore the plebs who say things like "needs more jumps and berms" when pretty much the whole rest of the bike park is exactly that. Also, please get someone to go clear out Love Anal a bit, it's getting narrow just because the grass is so high beside the trail.
10. Stop changing the Love Anal sign to say "canal". It's just rude. Likewise, Pulp Fiction is actually Crack Addict.
11. Reopen that other trail. You know, the one you closed...
12. Stop putting pump tracks up the top of the lift where nobody wants to take a dirtjump bike to.
13. More fast loose stuff in general.
14. Fix the first table on the last straight of Dirt Merchant so you don't send it to flat all the time. I'm not so fast that I should be flatlanding anything inadvertently.
15. More features in the boneyard that are rideable by the public. In fact it'd be pretty cool to open the Joyride course to the public in the same way the XL park gets opened to people in the winter - by all means add T&Cs or some kind of qualifying prerequisite but having all that stuff sitting unused for the entire season (bar like 3 days) is wasteful.
16. Remove those berms that got put into Freight Train right before the Sidetracked/No Duff/etc junction. They totally ruined the flow and made the braking bumps worse than ever.
17. Trim some of the foliage overhanging corners in Upper Angry Pirate so you can see around them a bit better.
18. Some kind of blue alternative to expressway for the intermediate riders who find their way up the Creekside gondola would be sweet
  • 3 5
 huge shout out to northstar for always having plenty of fast loose stuff Smile
  • 2 0
 @stealthpenguin: Livewire, at best. I'm here now, and for the most of the season all the trails have had 0.15" of moondust coating and at some parts a full 2"... I've taken resort to running magic mary's F/R just to keep speed in the sand without going otb. Every trail at northstar keeps you pretty slow with the exception of speed/pho/dog/manure and that general area. 90% of gypsy is 33mph, even for the KOM setters. And it gets more blown out every day. The trails are getting more and more dangerous by the day, more and more people getting injured than ever before, even during low-flow weekends. I might even skip the livewire race for mammoth, since my lift ticket obviously does nothing for the build crew.
  • 3 1
 @Socket: thats a lot of suggestions for someone who said its mostly really good.
  • 6 2
 @stealthpenguin: Are you f*cking retarded, Northstar is f*cking horrible. I'm here right now after 3 weeks in whistler and I feel like I'm wasting my f*cking money. Zero trail maintenance and I hope Vail doesn't ruin Whistler like North star.
  • 2 2
 @Donodh: I'm in Colorado and I won't step foot on vail trails. Summer or winter.
  • 2 0
 @Socket: you know youre not supposed to put your suggestions here right?
  • 2 0
 @Donodh: damn dude it was an off handed sarcastic comment because I could only dream of having not loose ass breaking bump tracked out berms.
  • 2 0
 @lyophilization: ha whoops. Probably should have read the article and found the link!
  • 1 0
 @joehowlett55: yeah but if you look at them, most of them aren't really criticisms of the park (a couple of minor things like the Freight Train berms and the DM flatlander maybe), just things they could potentially create.
  • 1 1
 @stealthpenguin: my bad haha, I thought you were serious, make a trip up to whistler if you can, it's very worth it.
  • 53 3
 Dear Joey's, Stop braking in berms and corners alike. Kind regards, Everybody.
  • 15 2
 Maybe the real problem is the signs all over the bike park that literally say "brake through corners"

Couldnt believe it when I saw it.
  • 29 1
 1. can we install a pizza party machine and keg at the storage containers on freight train. 2. a place to take a shit after schleyer 3. a monkey on a tricycle to follow me around so he can pick-up my water bottle when it rattles off my bike.
  • 8 27
flag rocky-mtn-gman (Aug 9, 2016 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 4. plumbed bathroom at the top of the world...peeing outside in neature is icky.
  • 19 1
 @rocky-mtn-gman: are you a bicycler of the mountains?
  • 4 2
 @bikerguy24: dern tootin'
  • 21 0
 He just doesn't want to get fined by USA cycling...
  • 27 1
 Don't let Vail to do Whistler what they did to Canyons Resort in Utah. (Raised all-day pass prices/eliminated half-day prices/5.00 for a 12 oz. Gatorade/Made Every.Single.Feature.Rollable)
  • 11 0
 have you ever been to whistler?
  • 15 1
 I'm pretty sure Whistler invented that game
  • 3 0
 @wildcard442: Right? People are acting like Whistler has "gone corporate" it was a resort and still is a resort, therefore: resort pricing. Vail specifically bought the place to diversify its summer income, it's not gonna gut the park because it bought it for the park.
  • 27 3
 cocaine on the chairlift. more pokestops
  • 18 1
  • 12 0
 More advanced TTF trails with flow like "Fade to Black".
  • 12 0
 More Angry Pirate!
  • 13 3
 Because Vail has no clue what they're doing.
  • 6 1
 Vail didn't do anything to Canyons.... Canyons had its own set of issues long before Vail showed up, such as private land issues, horrible chairlift setup, very short trails, and just taking forever to build up their park.

Canyons flat out missed the boat, if they would've done it right from the start they could've owned Deer Valley. Too Bad cause Deer Valley now runs the show and everyones jumped ship. Once Deer Valley gets their big line built it will be a done deal.

...Anyways to contribute to the article I always thought night riding would be cool...they have night skiing why not night biking? Put some lights on Crank it up and A line.
  • 2 1
 Vail may not have caused all of the issues at Canyon's, but they definitely grabbed them by the balls and sanitized most of the "Expert" features.
  • 2 1
 @TheYetiHelpsMeDig: By sanitize you mean the down ramps after the drops on double down? the drops and everything else at the park is still exactly the same size.

but whatever the case hopefully Vail doesn't F' things up at Whistler Smile

Canyons could easily still be in the game if they just made a few changes and continued to build better trails instead of raising ticket prices.
  • 2 0
 @whatyousaid: No I'm talking about split decision and the bottom of Hollys. You can't deny that split decision didn't get watered down after Vail came to town.

Either way, it's frustrating that there seems to be a lack of progression for expert riders in Park City. What's the biggest jump they have up there now? 30 ft? It's kinda sad that we're pushing 60' in Ogden, but the resorts are refusing to progress..
  • 1 0
 I don't get all the love for Deer Valley on here lately, unless something major has changed in the last few years? Last time I was there a few years ago they were all XC singletrack type trails, the only fun real DH track was the old NCS Downhill course (which you had to pedal uphill to the start of since there was no lift there), and the only rental bikes they had at the shop were essentially short travel XC bikes. I had to put in a special request for metal pedals there since I knew the plastic ones they gave on the rental bike wouldn't hold up to anything.
  • 1 0
 @Kitejumping: NCS is good and the new Tidal Wave jump line is long and fun. Though not terribly large. I haven't ever actually bought a ticket there though, just shuttled up the pass and hiked up to the start of Tidal Wave.
  • 1 0
 @TheYetiHelpsMeDig: Ever hear of Strawberry Lane? From what I've seen, the people who complain there aren't tougher trails either don't know where to ride or have a vision of "expert" trails being smooth flow trails with bigger jumps.
  • 3 0
 @Kitejumping: I don't get it either. After a couple runs on Tidal Wave and Fire Swamp there's not much more to do. Yes Canyons made stuff rollable . . . so don't roll it? And Dropkick is sooo much fun, way better than Tidal Wave. The main problem is the lifts . . . could walk uphill faster. But compare the situation to five years ago. Yes it isn't perfect, but every year it is expanding with Tidal Wave, Double Down, Canyons DH . . .
  • 1 0

you mean raspberry lane?? its mostly a smooth flow line and its not even big...more like medium sized janky jumps.

There are tougher trails outside the parks but they are mostly considered hush hush because they are unsanctioned. Most of them have been around for so long they are kinda grandfathered in, but anytime someone puts up a video or specifics peoples panties get in a bunch.

The problem is that any tougher trail outside the park is unsanctioned and being built under the radar by riders and has to be kept on the down low... and who knows if it will get torn down whenever the powers that be have had enough of it.

All the trail contractors/builders in the area are busy building lame brown sidewalk xc trails, over the course of the last few years they have built 100's of miles of perfectly smooth buff xc single track and ZERO AM/DH trails.
  • 1 0
 @whatyousaid: Yeeeahhh man, that's what I mean. Eh medium depending on your experience but compared to other bike park trails in the area, I'd consider it on the bigger side. But yeah I agree with you on that point but you can still find more than a few tech/steep rooty goodness that are not secrets by any means. I also completely agree with your last point as well. I'm not a fan of this "flow smooth" direction all trails are heading in... ugh
  • 1 0
 @scott-townes: yeah if you poke around you'll find some stuff, just that the whole scene is pretty coy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCMUkqpI7o Smile
  • 1 0
 @whatyousaid: very much so. The potential is massive out here.
  • 6 0
 Very nice initiative. Couldn't go this year, but I will be in Whistler again next year for sure! Keep up with the awesome work tup
  • 9 1
 Enjoy Vail Canada - From us Anti-Vail CO people
  • 13 4
 fire rings on crabapple
  • 5 0
 Tell riders not to stand in front of, behind or in the middle of trails, jumps and features when they buy a ticket. Tell Longhorn saloon they have the weakest drinks I ever had.
  • 8 0
 more Rollerblade trails, plz.
  • 4 0
 put more jumps back into crank it up, rode it this year and it just seems like berms, also some kinda trapezoid tables for people to progress on, alternating directions down the trail so you can hit the small side one run and move across until your hitting the big side, i'm talking like b-line size up to a-line size, kind like this all down the trail...


  • 6 1
 Speaking of Detroit Rock and Clown Shoes junction..jesus that spot is scary...a rope might be good almost collided with people there many times.
  • 7 1
 Lift the Vail over you plan to create the "New Whistler Road Bicycle Park" TM

  • 4 0
 not so much a suggestion but I'm will to trade couch space for anyone wanting to visit the Rockies and 4 corners area for me visiting Whistler
  • 2 0
 Ditto, Santa Fe anyone?
  • 2 0
 I'd trade accommodations and guided riding if you have any interest in visiting Rossland BC...
  • 1 0
 @snl1200: Rossland is awesome! I was just there for a couple days about a week ago. Definitely coming back! Small town that seems to be "bike crazy"! I dig it!
  • 11 4
 more climbing
  • 2 1
 You just made water come out my nose. Still loling.
  • 6 1
 Need more trails in the Garbo zone.. do that before adding more stuff over in creekside.
  • 5 1
 Please stop the trend of making trails two freeway lanes wide. I think most people like to feel like they're riding in the forest not through the forest.
  • 5 0
 Also, the options to get back to creekside at the end of the day could be more appealing. I would seriously take the gondola back down if i ever left early enough.
  • 1 0
 @lostlunchbox: I thought they are currently doing a fair bit of digging on that side as part of their upgrade scheme? I agree though, Im not a fan of Dusty's, BC trail is pretty sweet though.
  • 1 0
 @Brahter: That's what they've been saying. Was kinda hoping to see something more over there by now. TBH I've only parked over there a few times so far and have been too bagged or injured at the end of day to ride the tech trail down. I was also given a bad impression of BC Trail by the people I had been riding with my first day on that side, but i need to check it out for myself obviously. And yeah, Dusty's ain't my cup of tea for last lap(or any lap) but i figure it beats the time spent in lineup at fitz at the beginning of day.
  • 2 0
 @lostlunchbox: BC's Trail is fun, it's rooty/rocky but not overly steep. I'm not fast and I made it down in about 15 minutes and I was riding slowly as it was end of a huge day. I prefer it to Dusty's, the brake bumps on it are brutal at the end of a big day.

I agree though, more ways down to Creekside are required, especially for folks not comfortable with black diamonds yet. I know they are planning on building more.
  • 4 0
 Might aswell just pave aline. There are literally black skid marks on the clay why not just pave it and get ride of the brake bumps Smile
  • 1 0
 Funny but not a horrible idea. I noticed the use concrete in the berms of a section of "A River Runs Through It" , in Whistler's town's trails ( not bike park ).
  • 4 0
 More trails like Boca Del Vista and Shady Acres in Fitzsimmons. Those may be considered green, but with a good head of steam they are actually pretty damn fun!
  • 4 0
 oh yeah, and pay your summer bike park liftees a couple bucks an hour more that the winter crew. huffing dh bikes all day long.....they deserve a raise for christ's sake.
  • 8 2
 More braking bumps!
  • 9 3
 more joey
  • 8 7
 Speaking as a dad that grew up with a dad that always took the family for ski days/trips, I’d say do something intentional for families. I haven’t been to Whistler for mountain biking (I have with the fam for snowboarding/skiing) but it would be an easier sell if I could really tout it as fun for the whole fam. I guess that would be well chaperoned super easy stuff for the kids, maybe SO well supervised that dad could get in a lap on his own but still have a notification in case of problems? Obviously, you’d need topnotch, screened staff to help with this. (Maybe you do already I don’t know?) And of course, great distractions for the Mrs which I assume the village already has?

Family-friendly isn’t a thing you think of necessarily but dads wanna ride and if they can talk the Mrs into a family vacation where the little tykes are safe to have a ball while she gets her pedicure, they’ll be tripping all over themselves, with the wife’s approval, to drop their hard earned vacation $ on a trip there. I know I would. Make it a place the Mrs wants to go and take the kids, and the $ will follow.

(Maybe this is already the case if so just ignore me.)
  • 6 0
 It is most definitely already the case!! bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/bike-school/kids-programs/dfx-kids
Just like ski school in winter you can put your kids in to bike camp, which is better than ski school anyways (because I am biased biking is better than skiing)

And women's nights in the park are awesome too, for all levels if mom wants to try!?
  • 1 0
 @kevin267: yep, hit it right. We just did a family vacation for 10 days in BC, with 3 days in Whistler. I actually took a lesson along with my wife and 10 year old, thinking I'd just do it for them, and they actually taught this old dog some new tricks! I didn't think I'd get much out of it, but I was wrong. I rode men's night too, basically got a private tour of the mountain, and won some swag. I put Boy Jr. In the kids day class from 930-315 (lunch included!) and mom and I went and got our shred on! Wife rode women's night, but that is much busier than mens night, like 100 girls on that group ride! She liked it, says she got as much out of that as she did the half day lesson. Plenty of things to do for families.
  • 1 0
 @sledMXer: WHY in the world would I be getting ‘down voted’ for suggesting family-friendly stuff? Wow.
  • 1 0
 @jeremiahwas: I didn't down vote you, it wasn't me. Your comment isn't bashing anything, it was just a question. I gave you an up vote just now to help even it out.
  • 1 0
 @sledMXer: Oh sorry! I didn’t mean to respond to you directly. Didn’t realize I did.
  • 3 0
 honestly, whistler is pretty epic as is...hopefully they don't tame down any features...as it stands it really has something for everyone
  • 1 0
 Agree with bigger wall rides, anywhere you can fit them. I'd like to see a bigger assortment of trails up top too, nothing ever seems to be open in full. My favorite part of whistler (Freight Train, sidetrack, etc) - trails that have both technical and flow are the ones i really seek out.
  • 3 0
 Freight train to No Joke to Duffman, sick!
  • 1 0
 @Beez177: So fun!!!
  • 1 0
 Heart of darkness gets so beat as it's one of the few ways finish many of the runs. An alternative or complete rework would be awesome. For some reason it's never been fun. Don't want to sound like a dick though. The park is spectacular and thanks for all the work!
  • 18 14
 Make the bike park 26" wheels only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 5 3
 Buy a 27.5 and you will disagree
  • 3 1
 @larr: Rocking 26 and still faster than most of my tweener' wheel friends. All about the rider!
  • 3 1
 @siderealwall2: I pass every roadie on my DJ looool
  • 1 1
 soooo much whining and complaining over nothing.

the park is fine, braking bumps and all.
its called dh mtb.

some of you peeps are over the top with your complaining.

do you not have disc brakes?
do you not have full suspension?
how soft and or spoiled/entitled are some of ya anyway?

some of you should take up bmx if the park is too rough for ya.

but, you'd find something to bitch about with that too.

park is fine, change nothing.
  • 3 0
 Fly me out to Whistler to tell you more. Wink
  • 8 4
 more slow
  • 3 1
 This is how Vail deals with all those hate comments about making the park "less rad"
  • 3 0
 Less brake bumps. I'll pay more for less brake bumps.
  • 2 0
 Vending machines with drinks and snacks at the bottom and top of the lifts!
  • 2 0
 Now $5 for a bag of chips.
  • 2 0
 I just get annoyed that I have to park my bike and stand in line for a bottle of Gatorade and a Clif bar.
  • 2 0
 @MTB-Colada: at Northstar by vail you have to pay $15 for chicken tenders and soggy fries and then withstand getting bitten by dozens of wasps to get your food. The kicker? The wasps sting your food, too.
  • 2 0
 Although not cheap, I am not necessarily complaining about the prices of food and drinks at Whistler. I just get thirsty quickly, and want to get a QUICK Gatorade after every 2-3 runs (the water fountain just doesn't do it for me)....maybe I am just weird, but it was the only thing that annoyed me in Whistler! :-)
  • 2 0
 @MTB-Colada: Fair enough!
  • 3 0
 More wall rides please, Big ones Smile
  • 3 0
 Season round Canadian Open
  • 3 1
 More hip jumps! All the good ones are to the left! Lets get some right hips hah
  • 2 0
 Big fan of BC Downhill, would love to see some more of that.
  • 3 3
 Vail must be busy as f*ck to come up with and implement this less than 24 hours after the acquisition was announced...

*mind the sarcasm meter
  • 4 0
 Actually the page has been up like a week, pinkbike article just went up
  • 2 0
 Fire and ice = winter

Fire and crabapple = summer
  • 2 0
 Longer opening hours and night riding with mandatory lights.
  • 6 4
 Oh Vail....
  • 1 0
 A permanent all access slopestyle course? Wink
  • 3 3
 kick vail out, whistler why you sell urself like cheap hooker?
  • 4 0
 i'd sell myself for over a billion dollars. wouldn't you?
  • 2 0
 @KyleIsaman: not if i had reputation and huge income all year.
  • 2 0
 Lol you act like they were some mom and pop resort. Get real
  • 7 6
 more xc
  • 5 4
 gap out easy does it
  • 1 0
 more glacier back drops?
  • 3 0
 "no" airon that cant be done. "silly".
  • 4 5
 Santa Cruz needs a bike park
  • 2 0
 We are getting one, Man!!! In scotts valley
  • 5 5
 more memes
  • 1 0
 DownhillMemes covers this
  • 7 8
 extra green. easy does it is too technical
  • 5 6
 more cases
  • 1 0
 Their lawyers don't have time for more
  • 5 6
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