British Mountain Biker Shot Dead Near Morzine by Hunter

Oct 14, 2018 at 6:11
by Alex Evans  
Le Dauphine has reported that a mountain biker was shot dead whilst riding within Montriond's village limits at around 18:00 on Saturday the 13th of October. The incident is most likely to have happened on the Super Morzine mountain, which is inside an authorised hunting zone but has a lot of official and unofficial, well-used mountain bike trails.

According to a Facebook page that local residents use, hunting has been suspended in Montriond until the end of the season because of the incident.

The mountain biker was shot by a 22-year-old hunter who was in a group of 6 other hunters. The young man is said to be in serious shock and has been hospitalised, but isn't in police custody. Although the Gendarmes are treating the incident as "aggravated manslaughter." The mountain biker is a British national and reportedly runs a restaurant in Les Gets.

The mountain biker has now been named as Marc Sutton, a 34-year-old originally from Caerphilly in Wales who had recently opened a vegan restaurant called Wild Beets Kitchen in Les Gets.

Our condolences and thoughts go out to the bereaved and other affected parties from this incident.

Update - Tuesday 16th October 2018.

Le Dauphine has reported that initial investigations have revealed some new evidence about the incident.

[Translation by Google Translate]

"Un tir avait déjà été réalisé une dizaine de minutes avant le drame, vraisemblablement par l’auteur du tir mortel », indique le procureur de la République Philippe Toccanier, sans pour autant que la présence de gibier soit confirmée par les autres membres du groupe."

A shot had already been made ten minutes before the tragedy, presumably by the author of the mortal fire, "says the prosecutor Philippe Toccanier, without the presence of game is confirmed by the other members of the group.



"Selon les premiers éléments de l’enquête, les chasseurs formaient une ligne parallèle au chemin dévalé par le cycliste au moment du drame. « Le vététiste était en lisière de forêt ; les chasseurs à une quarantaine de mètres dans la partie non boisée. » Pour le procureur, « la visibilité était totale ». D’autant que Mark Sutton était vêtu d’un tee-shirt de couleur vive et était équipé d’un vélo et d’un casque eux aussi colorés."

According to the first elements of the investigation, the hunters formed a line parallel to the path hurtled by the cyclist at the time of the tragedy. "The mountain biker was on the edge of the forest; the hunters to forty meters in the unwooded part. For the prosecutor, "visibility was total". Especially since Mark Sutton was wearing a bright colored T-shirt and was equipped with a bike and a helmet they also colored.



"L’autopsie réalisée hier a révélé que le tir a transpercé latéralement le cycliste de 34 ans, « passant sous l’omoplate gauche pour ressortir au niveau de la clavicule droite ». Un élément qui écarte a priori l’hypothèse d’un tir fichant (dirigé vers le sol), l’une des principales recommandations sécuritaires.

La détermination du calibre utilisé était encore en cours hier. Mais 7x64 ou 30.06, « il s’agit de munitions de guerre, type kalachnikov, autorisées depuis 2013 » selon le parquet."


The autopsy performed yesterday revealed that the shot pierced laterally the 34-year-old cyclist, "passing under the left shoulder blade to exit at the level of the right clavicle". An element that departs a priori the hypothesis of a fuse shooting (directed to the ground), one of the main security recommendations.

The determination of the caliber used was still in progress yesterday. But 7x64 or 30.06, "it is about ammunition of war, type Kalashnikov, authorized since 2013" according to the floor.





395 Comments

  • + 545
 Never understand this kind of stupidity. How can any hunter claiming to be competent mistake a person on a bicycle for an animal? Trigger should never even be touched unless you are 100% sure. Raw idiocy....
  • + 265
 As an avid hunter myself, these stories always baffle me. There's zero excuses unless he was in a deer costume and even then I'd like to think I'd still notice that!
  • + 29
 Very very sad. Rip

Link explaining the science behind why this terrible thing happens
www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/the-gun-nuts/how-hunting-accidents-happen
  • - 207
flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 Redneck trash. I don't know a single guy who hunts who isn't dumb as a stick or slightly unhinged in some way.
  • - 183
flag BarneyStinson (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:12) (Below Threshold)
 @gcrider: Yeah, very easy to make a mistake in the heat of the moment.
  • - 213
flag lalientoxc (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 @gooutsidetoday: Deer mtbiker, stop doing pussy sports like hunting since those are innocent animals who never hurt anyone. I hope your savage self can understand that those are not farm animals who are literally reproduce to be killed and eat. No body reproduces deers or bears to be kill.
  • + 30
 @lalientoxc: hope this is a troll, 100% inaccurate.
  • + 71
 @BarneyStinson: there is no heat in this moment, he had all the control in that moment
  • + 235
 This particular type of hunt happens around us - they are required to clearly mark where and when they are hunting, they hang signs on the trails and you can see their cars parked with flags as you reach the trails, so you know exactly which trails they are on. Their dates and locations are also published on the local commune website. If you spend time in the mountains, it is no secret that people die in hunting accidents (I believe it's around 45 people a year in Italy), so you avoid the hunting areas. They are only allowed to hunt three days a week for a few months each year, and they have the same rights we do to be up in the mountains, so we respect that (they also got rid of the boars that were destroying our garden for us, and those boars turned out to be very tasty too).

I don't know what happened here, but one man is dead and another man is in the hospital in distress. It's a tragedy. This should be a moment for sombre reflection, not to take to the nearest keyboard and blame the hunters without understanding what happened (and there isn't enough information available to understand what happened).

@gcrider: That's a good link, thanks. The case they mention sounds a lot like the accident that killed NZ trail builder, Dodzy...
  • - 53
flag chyu (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:56) (Below Threshold)
 When you have been in a hunting party with 0 kill for days. All in a sudden something is moving around you.
  • + 65
 @gcrider: I call bullshit on this article. Sure your mind can fill in the blanks initially, but no experienced hunter will pull the trigger without verifying their target. There's another more accurate explanation for why this happens, it's called being overwhelmed for the excitement of the kill.
  • + 57
 My dad used to live in France, and as an avid shooter he went to a couple of hunts. If his report is a reflection across France, it’s hardly surprising. Apparently in true french style, before hunting everyone meets up, has a friendly drink and then head out, hip flasks never too far away. Then it’s lunch, more wine, and then back out. By the end of the day if something rustled shoot! As I said, he went out twice I think and decided it was too dangerous.

On another occasion whilst visiting him the local hunters newsletter arrived whilst I was there. I seem to recall that there had been something like 40 injuries so far that year as a result of “stray bullets” and a few fatalities. That same trip whilst driving along a main road I witnessed another car pulled over, with the driver aiming a rifle out through the passenger window towards a field. Apparently a regular occurrence!

I could be wrong about this unfortunate incident, but it gives some insight into the hunting scene in France.
  • + 7
 @mattwragg: In some place? They are allowed to hunt five days a week Frown
www.vttour.fr/photos/16390-10.jpg
  • - 148
flag drivereight (Oct 14, 2018 at 9:22) (Below Threshold)
 If hunting season in a hunting zone doesn't ring a bell, you still decide to ride in the that zone, then is on you! Hunters have limited field of view when sighting in a scope! Can't see left or right, just straight to its target. They won't know if someone's gonna ride through between them or their target the moment they pull that trigger! Tragic, sad a person died! Hunting season suspended, paid hunting permits are just toilet papers, hunter who depend on hunting to provide for their families will hurt too! Since hunting season is suspended in the hunting zone, bikers rejoice right?!!! How bout that!!
  • + 6
 @HouseofDaedalus: Well the problem must be the lack of experience and verification then, otherwise ?
  • + 1
 @jclnv: well i hunt and i ain’t one of those
  • + 41
 @lalientoxc: I hope you are a PETA member, and diehard vegan. Otherwise, if you order meat at a restaurant then you are a freaken idiot bashing hunters. Most hunters are harvesting animals for their meat. I'm not a trophy hunter. Also, the meat is healthier, and the animal has lived a happier and healthy life in the wild. A well placed shot is effective and very fast at killing the animal,thus minimizing any suffering. You should look up the deplorable conditions commercial livestock, poultry, a fish contend with. I will argue with anyone that responsible hunting of animals is more humane than any store bought meat! If you are vegan or whatever, then I understand your grouchiness, I would be too.
  • + 2
 @philstone: hunting is more organized in the usa
  • + 6
 @jclnv: And I haven't met one anti hunter who wasnt intrinsically violent or not a psychopath. Projection at its worst in every instance. - a vegetarian who appreciates sustainable hunting practices.
  • + 2
 @gooutsidetoday: There is one problem. What is Your weapon range? Can You control what happens after You miss? No, so there is always risk of hurting someone. Even if You hunt in a more remote area, there are also people that spend their time in the wilderness.
  • + 29
 @glogowski: hunting and shooting a weapon is all about common sense. You take into consideration every aspect. Never take a shot at a running animal, and always be aware of what is behind your target. If you can't see or you don't know, then don't shoot. It's the equivalent of riding a 20' drop blind. There are people who do it, and they often pay the consequences
  • + 5
 @gooutsidetoday: Sure, but what i was saying, is that if you miss You may hit something You didn't see at all. There's always the chance. If it wasn't a case then hunters in Poland (where i'm more oriented in the situation) wouldn't kill a couple of people yearly, and wound much more. Of course there are number of idiots that mistaken a human with a boar, but there are cases where the victims were not seen by the shooter. Bullets can fly further than the eyesight.
  • + 4
 @glogowski: That's why you should be good enough that you don't miss. Wink Yeah, stuff happens, life is unpredictable, and someone in a remote area could miss a shot and potentially adversely affect someone. But the odds are tiny, and it's the hunter's responsibility to reduce them as far as possible. There's risk in everything. This story doesn't quite sound right.
  • + 7
 I was just trying to help.I think the article tries to explain the excitement of the kill. I think you will find that this is not limited to inexperienced hunters and your hoping experience will overcome this. . Your brain is constantly filling in the blanks as your retina only has rods at its extremity, but you still “see”colour here. @HouseofDaedalus:
  • + 5
 @mattwragg: Hunting is not a safe sport or activity. It is a little bit stupid IMO let people hunt in Morzine,so close to a bike park that is used by a lot of people every day. I know some places in Spain Hunter&Bikers have 0 problems,like Ainsa. But there is always a chance for a biker of being in a hunting place or very close to it without any clue.
  • - 11
flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 9:55) (Below Threshold)
 @atrokz: There's no such thing. If we all give up eating farmed animals and pick up a gun, deer will be wiped out in a season.
  • + 7
 @philstone: yeah nothing new...same thing in Spain...they hunt in the morning but at 16 pm they are all drunk. I did not believe that those hunter are there to keep bad animals away,that is a f*cking myth.
  • + 21
 @BarneyStinson: @jclnv: @chyu: Are you all Darwin-Award-level exceptionally stupid, or just trolls competing for furthest below threshold?! If there is any uncertainty, you don't pull the trigger. There is no heat of the moment. Plain and simple, no excuses. It's the hunter's job to know how to hunt safely, and to mitigate their risk. No responsible, self-respecting person worthy of being called a hunter would make an extraordinarily stupid mistake, and brush it off as heat of the moment. And @jclnv... no hunter I know is a stupid redneck. My dad doesn't hunt much anymore due to time, but did hunt quite a bit, and still goes shooting with the buddies. He's a career electrical enginerd (engineer + nerd Razz ) who can do just about anything. The rest of the group is much the same. Some more engineers, some businessmen, a dentist, a science/physics/whatever teacher, you get the drift. My uncle (dad's best friend) is the hunter that I know of who's closest to being a "redneck", and he's a lawyer.
  • + 20
 @jclnv: false. There is more than enough information to illustrate that is incorrect. We issue tags for a reason. People dont need to eat meat every meal. If youre eating factory farmed meat you are contributing to the torture of animals and the destruction of our environment since animal farming is the next largest ozone contributor after energy production. Its also extremely unethical. Its morally vapid to support factory farming and go against hunting. Our indigenous communities sustenance hunt regularly. We use tags to control population. Your comment about every hunter being dumb is so far removed from the truth. There are idiots everywhere, but hunting isn't a bad thing. If you eat meat you have zero ground to stand on as it is.
  • + 4
 Easy there champ @jclnv:
  • + 0
 @glogowski: Hey man, where abouts in Poland are you?
I'm a between Bielsko-Biała and Katowice

Good point about range btw.
  • - 3
 @homerjm: i hate the stupid hunters that put out a bad word for us good hunters I hate stupid hunters, they should die
  • + 2
 @jclnv: I'm skeptical of that conclusion.
I think it's as likely that pasture would be given over to ungulates.
  • + 15
 @philstone: I’m currently living in the south of France for an exchange semester. Being in the mountains every weekend I observed the exact same as you and your father did. It seems like every douchebag that is capable of carrying a gun gets out on the weekends to shoot some animals. The hunting is totally unorganised, every Hunter is going his own path in a comparable small region. Incidents have to occur.
This is why we in Germany have a very strict law for hunting. There are allways only 1-3 hunters for a fixed area and nobody else is allowed to shoot anything. To be able to become a hunter you have to pass tough test both written and practical. In France and Italy it’s a total mess though.
  • + 2
 @atrokz: it's incredible how many people are against hunting, yet they eat meat. I think people envision hunters as pot bellied idiots with no teeth just spraying the woods with lead (sadly this does happen) but a vast majority of modern day hunters are focused on conservation of animals/outdoors, ethical hunting practices, and a healthy lifestyle.
  • + 7
 @foxxyman: yes I know in US hunting scene is more diverse,it is not the same thing here. Most US citizens are used to guns in general. Those hunters here think they are over the law,in US soil most of this bad hunters have a big chance to go to jail very quick. Hunting is not compatible with any other thing else. That is why it is a stupid idea hunting in a bike park area. Think for a second mixing hunters&bikers in Whistler bike park area,were tons of bikers ride everywhere. Morzine have a bikepark and sky resorts,they make money with tourism related to Sky and Mtb. To me is no sense mixing bike&bullets.
  • + 1
 @atrokz: you obviously don't know enough about farming practices to have a reliable argument against it... Go get educated appropriately before you start trash talking something you know nothing about (and documentaries like Food Inc. and Cowspiracy are not reliable sources of information).
  • - 16
flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 11:07) (Below Threshold)
 @atrokz: I agree with almost everything you say but most of North America is too dumb to get that they don't need to eat meat everyday so how many hunting tags will get handed out if factory farming is ended? A few million for BC alone.
  • + 1
 @homerjm: yup and that’s why we can’t have nice things
  • + 5
 who's to say he was actually aiming at him tho ?
  • + 14
 @mattwragg: good comment. I was curious when I scrolled down what the response would be. Lots of hate for the hunter of course. The word I keep seeing referenced is experienced. The KID was 22, that is still young. He was most likely not very experienced and made a life ending and life changing mistake. And from what it sounds like, he clearly is struggling to comprehend what happened. Hearts with both sides on this one. I want everybodyto think about his side for a minute. Imagine being his age again (a lot of you reading this are probably still there or younger) and the excitement he probably felt to go out with an older group and hunt. Now imagine what he’s going through after making a split second mistake. It’s still tragic for both parties, they both deserve compassion and sympathy. Not a public lynching. The guilt in his mind and heart right now is enough to hospitalize him, that’s f*cking painful if you’ve never experienced anything like it.
  • + 15
 I've just moved back to New Zealand from France (near Annecy, about 90 mins from Morzine). One of the things I really don't miss is the hunting culture. Most of the hunters don't travel far from the village centers before they start a hunt, some even sit in hedge rows drinking the local spirit (genepe) waiting for animals to emerge. My whole winter cycling kit is fluro orange because it always felt so unsafe.

After a fatal shooting of a hiker a couple of years ago Haute Savoie changed hunting from 7 days a week to no hunting on Wed, Fri & Sunday afternoon. I felt so unsafe I mostly rode on those days. It differs per region so if you do live in Haute Savoie you can use this app: Chasseco (play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.axory.chasseco)

This is an incredibly sad story, RIP.
  • + 15
 @mattwragg: In theory yes. But, when you get to know the culture of hunting in France (and I gre up in Haute Savoie) and how much power hunting lobbies have, you realize that the reality is not as nuanced. Rules are very often broken and copious amounts of alcohol can be present.

When it comes to the population control of the boars, again yes in theory. But hunters actually feed them in more than one area under the excuse of keeping them away from crops. What is actually happening is that they are keeping the boar population high enough to have some fun on hunting days.
  • + 15
 As an avid long distance shooter, I’m having a difficult time understanding how a mtn biker can produce a signature like a deer. This is just horrible and makes me think twice about riding in densely wooded areas during hunting season.

I hope the British Authorities do an in-depth investigation on how this happened. RIP
  • + 11
 @drivereight:

Your a f*cking idiot.
  • + 2
 @gooutsidetoday: Actually there is allot of evidence to suggest the brain plays tricks on you in these situations. You actually think you have seen a deer.
  • + 2
 A lot of hunters seems to be scared by the animal they are hunting, these days... shooting by noise perhaps??...
  • + 3
 @FlavienB: Actually, I agree. The battues are a shitshow and everybody knows it. I personally would never take part in one as I think it is too dangerous. But... it's stupidity amongst consenting adults and if they want to go into the woods with guns and booze, I'm a big believer in natural selection. That's why the signage is so important - and it's one thing I have never seen them lax with, I have never found myself unexpectedly amidst a battue.
  • + 5
 @rivercitycycles: For this kind of hunting they use a team of dogs to work across a mountainside and drive the quarry towards the guns at the end. So the hunters would be waiting for something to come moving fast towards them.
  • + 0
 @dfbland: lol. Load of bs.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: difficult situation then. People need to consume less.
  • + 0
 @rivercitycycles: What a nightmare thing to happen and sadly the poor guy who accidentally shoot the biker will be in peices and have life changing consequences where as if he was a Russian spy or a Saudi diplomat, he could just laugh it off !
Terrible for everyone involved .
  • + 5
 @gooutsidetoday: I agree with your statement but if only all hunters were conscienscious citizens. Many do it for the thrill of the kill, and a fetish for fire arms, and that is what I simply do not understand.
  • + 13
 @gooutsidetoday: "As an Avid hunter myself" please kill all of the existing Elixer brakes and consider a Guide cull also.
  • + 2
 @dfbland: would you mind stating any sources other than yourself unable to accept reality so you refer to it as bullshit
  • - 2
 @atrokz: The only bs is comparing the Canadian agricultural sector to that of The USA or any other country with poor regulations. @vtracer plenty of sources of information to be found, but I get the feeling you only listen to what Fox News tells you.
  • + 4
 @HouseofDaedalus: It's not bullshit, this happens often in New Zealand. It happens to very experienced hunters , there is neuroscience research behind the claim that your mind fills in the blanks. You are right about excitement, that excitement is what causes your mind to fill in the blanks. Your brain want's to see a deer so it does. It's attitudes like this "no experienced hunter will pull the trigger" that gets people killed, because even the most experienced hunters will hardly ever come across a scenario that causes this mental process. And when they do they think they are so experienced that they can recognize a deer and wont be the one to make the mistake, but their brain has all ready tricked them.
  • + 1
 @HouseofDaedalus: That said, wtf was this dude hunting in a bike park. Sure there is probably lots of grass on the piste to attract game, but it's not go enough of a reason. Hunting for me is all about getting away from people as far as I can, I mean that's probably hard to do in European alps but still.
  • + 7
 @HouseofDaedalus: Utter bollocks - we've had former presidents of deer hunting associations shoot other hunters, father's shoot sons (and vice versa) and mountain bikers shoot other bikers. All very experienced hunters...
Human nature and firearms are not an error-tolerant combination and this will never change.

www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8432909/Hunter-who-killed-friend-was-certain-he-was-a-deer
www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/hunter-thought-orange-beanie-was-deer-2012072717
  • + 2
 @TobiasHandcock: I was about to write the same comment. Fixed mindsets like that do kill people.
  • + 3
 @HouseofDaedalus: your comment just reflects the cultural problems with hunting. Experience of the hunter has nothing to do with it.

Using the Dodzy example. Both were experienced hunters. The shooter was (from the police summary) a respected outdoor professional who check his sight twice prior to pulling the trigger.

This wasn’t about excitement, it was about his mind convincing him what he was seeing with a deer.
  • + 1
 @tamallama: I was living in Savoie when the shooting occurred in late 2015 that you mentioned, killing a hiker. Absolutely tragic. I think the change in hunting days from 7 days a week to restricted days was a good, commonsense response.
  • + 4
 @gooutsidetoday: Both here. It's only been 19 months out of my 50yrs of life, but it's nice knowing that a single animal hasn't been harmed for me to exist on this planet for the last 19 months..... I wish I would have been raised like this since birth, but at least I'm doing something now I guess.
  • + 3
 @dfbland: what an ass-u-mption.

There several studies including ones used by UN to support my claim about global greenhouse emissions (Canada is one country, don't manipulate the conversation to fabricate your bs narrative). I didn't even get into our subsidizing the industries to support our industry. Further, every claim I made is backed by fact and anyone can google these claims to see more and see how full of shit you are. Now go away.
  • + 2
 @atrokz: I think we should leave bland alone and just go ride our freaking bikes
  • + 1
 @vtracer: had a great ride today! Mint conditions!
  • + 3
 @tamallama: I Know what you mean just ridding "fluro" colors. I love black equipment but sometimes is a must. In some places like Ainsa,some trails are block/used by the hunters and you can´t ride there. Two weeks ago we were in Ainsa and we can´t ride Morcat trail,there was a tinny portion of the hunting area near to waiting area for the van,some people wants to ride there but I for me was a no-no 100%. For me is stupid let those people hunt so close to villages and populated areas. Here in Madrid people hunt inside a National Park but bikes are almost forbidden. They let the fat&old boys take the 4x4 everywhere. Hunting here is a missive thing,30-40 guys with tons of dogs hunting in a tinny area. I think it is still allowed cos hunting guys have good friends,also big portion of politicians enjoy hunting/party/drinking thing,it is not a guy with his gun looking at the trail...
  • - 15
flag Coleshore (Oct 14, 2018 at 18:27) (Below Threshold)
 @jclnv what did a hunter f*ck your girlfriend cause your vegan dick wasn’t big enough for her
  • + 3
 @rivercitycycles: have you ever hunt surrounded by 40 guys,most of them drunk&fat&old in an area of 1 square mile? This people shoot whatever is allowed to shoot in one morning,just hours. Here in Spain most the the meat goes to the garbage bin,cos one guy shoot 10 pigs and 3 deer.
  • + 6
 @DBone95: good for you mate. I've cut right down on meat, but haven't been able to give it up entirely. If everyone did this we'd save the world and be far far healthier and I'm sure happier too
  • + 3
 @dicky1080: I couldn't agree more... and thanks!
  • - 8
flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 19:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Coleshore: Actually I get huge erections because my arteries aren't clogged with cholesterol from eating red meat everyday. Unlucky redneck ????
  • + 10
 @gooutsidetoday: It's the taking pleasure in killing something that's f*cked up IMHO.
  • + 3
 @mattwragg: You calm and rational response is a breath of fresh air.
  • - 2
 @gooutsidetoday: how about you stop killing innocent animals then, you are an avid murderer if you're telling the truth. sitting behind a killing machine and slaughtering what could very well be your own pet does not count as a sport. to prevent accidents like this hunting should just become outlawed entirely.


SORRY not trying to be mean...
  • + 3
 @mattwragg: Monday-Thursday-Saturday and Sunday are the hunting days in Haute Savoie, unfortunately in the 20 years I have lived here I have never seen any type of flag or sign telling people there is a hunt happening in the area or on any cars. I have come across hunters on the trails whilst mountain biking or on my trials bike and most have been friendly enough. In populated areas there is just no excuse to not verify before you pull the trigger.
It still seems crazy to me that people with guns can be so allowed to hunt in the same areas as walking trails etc on a weekend.
  • + 1
 @foxxyman: I disagree.
  • + 3
 @mattwragg: Once in Ainsa they put the sign to one trail then we chose the other one and they were there were they didn´t sign and they shot at us in order to intimitade I guess. The guy we talked with it was clearly f*cked up in his head and attitude. This people are not professionals and many have mental and drinking disorders... if there is trouble width too much wildbores there is 1000 other ways to erradicate with professionals, this is just an excuse for them.
Let´s givem them some rights and restrictions, but every time more limited. This should not engage new generations (like this 22 year old) and let this old minded people the leave this world in "peace" and we all let freed of them.
  • + 4
 @homerjm: not really. If in Ainsa hasn´t happenned yet is luck. We were threathennet by a hunter shooting us on the air.
  • + 1
 @TobiasHandcock: There’s absolutely no excuse for using firearms in a populous area in any form, never mind a bike park!

So this whole thread has focused on fire arms and how scopes cause problems. I totally agree. That is a big part of why I switched to only hunting with a bow. While I have my own farm to hunt, the neighbors are less than a mile from me and I am very well aware of how far a stray shot can travel. So I stick to close range tactics only.

There are several public lands in my area that receive such a high traffic of people and hunters that fire arms are not allowed. Hunters must use bows only. I feel like this sort of regulation would help reduce hunter/trail user interaction.
  • + 1
 people shoot at noises and colors. More often than not, wearing too much white in the woods.
  • + 5
 @mattwragg: @mattwragg: Maybe do a little bit of digging into local news etc on just how frequently this happens around here... The rules re flags etc are regularly completely ignored by hunters. They literally just go wherever they please and shoot with wild abandon.. So far there have been 13 fatalities in france this year.. just happens that because this one is a brit that the UK news has jumped on it.. There was a lady sunbathing in her own garden killed because a hunter was shooting towards her property, missed his target, the bullet went through the hedge, killing her instantly, a few weeks back a grandfather shot his own grandson... I've lost count of the amount of domestic dogs that have been shot in the last two years by hunters local here that if you take a wander up to the hides when they have gone, leave a pile of empty beer bottles for anyone to see. Most of the people local are terrified of going into the woods during hunting season.. Have a look on the morzine and chamonix facebook pages to get an idea of how big a problem this is...
  • + 3
 @drivereight: in France, There is no Hunter depending of Hunt to feed his familly.
Even if I'm against hunting for pleasure, if hunting is allowed, hunters have to take care about mtbikers, and mtbikers have to be carefull about when and where they ride.

RIP Man !
  • + 0
 @HadrienButte: how ignorant are you? Google southern US wild pigs. See what happens when a species has no other source of population control. Now tell me you’d walk up to one of them and make it your “pet”.

Not sorry....
  • + 4
 @HadrienButte: murder is the killing of one HUMAN by another HUMAN. Shooting an animal is acquisition of food, kinda like people have done as part of the food chain forever.
  • + 2
 @gooutsidetoday: Well said mate! Agreed
  • + 2
 @mountainyj: absolutely. hunting ensures a safe and healthy population or the species being hunted. hunting is conservation.
  • + 0
 @mattwragg: spot on
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 Lack of proper firearm safety training is likely the culprit. Always assume it’s loaded, keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire, be sure of your target and what’s beyond, don’t aim at anything you’re not willing to destroy. Follow those four rules and things like this will almost never happen.
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 @gooutsidetoday: WTF are you talking about? The kid shot a mountain biker and you are gonna run off with some Trump BS.
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 @getsomesy: your a FKNG Idiot!
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 Judge, jury, executioner! Know the full story! Lots of mt.bikers on their high 29er horses in PB! Mt. Bikers think they own the forest, the hunters, and hikers all think same!
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 @drivereight: we do know the story... we live here...
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flag drivereight (Oct 16, 2018 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 @getsomesy: I'm not the one who rode at 6pm in a hunting zone through a bunch of drunk 20something year old hunters!
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 I've never understood the logic behind hunting in modern society anyway. It's pretty obvious people are getting plenty of food without it. Just go to any Walmart. The sport hunters need to find another way to exert their dominance by finding a good couch leg or a car bumper. Maybe a poison ivy patch, whatever. A mountain biker has to be prepared for many things out in the bush but being prepared to be shot should never cross their mind. Commence downvoting..........
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 Is 6pm in the back country, in a hunting zone, during hunting season. Local hunting rituals includes alcohol. 20something year olds. What don't you understand? It's the perfect recipe for a disaster! Local news of hunting death reports knowledge of the area, still failed to yield?
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 *Sigh*... Allow me to do what I can to clarify and shed some light for people. Not going to mention names, it would take too long, but you know who you are. If there's a local who knows the story or something, feel free to correct me. I've read several articles, and as far as I can tell, this is the scoop. For all those saying that the rider should've been wearing bright colors... he was riding in fluorescent blue. Pretty much the best, most noticeable, most unnatural color for a situation like that. For those saying that it was a rifle and scope sort of mistake and the hunter should've seen better (I was admittedly part of that group) and for those saying his brain tricked him into seeing a deer... no. (Speaking of which, to some degree @TobiasHandcock, but mostly @Otago... those websites you referenced weren't so much a hallucination saw a deer type thing as a the victim was wearing colors that blended in and looked like a deer... brown patterned backpack, etc) This was a wild boar hunt, and the hunters were using shotguns. There was a large hunting party in the woods, waiting for the boars to rush them. The biker was on a popular trail(albeit later in the day so fewer people), on a bike, in hi-vis clothing... Idk if there was a notice about the hunt, or if the biker was aware, but right(/wrong) place at the wrong time worst scenario type of thing... hunters waiting to ambush pigs, something flies around the corner, gets blasted... it's a human. Looking at other hunting related deaths in the area, it seems that many are similar close range/shotgun type... hunting and major tourist/recreational activity cannot be in the same place at the same time... something has to give.
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 @mtbikeaddict: I live in Chamonix, the entire valley apart from a small nature reserve at the far end is free to hunt, yet there is not one single sign post anywhere to alert locals or tourists. Most dog owners that live here are afraid to walk in any woodland during hunting season for fear of being shot..

The irony here is that the local Mairie bans mountain biking for most of the summer to keep the walkers safe,, yet hunting is allowed valley wide without informing anyone that it is happening.. sooner or later there will be more fatalities.. and like the tragic event in morzine, it will be because it is not a french local killed that it will get media attention from the nation of the poor soul that gets killed..
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 @Matt115lamb: If today’s papers are anything to go by when the hunter gets congratulated by the sister and mother of the man he killed he may not feel so bad after all.
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 @StevieJB: Someone posted something about that this morning , wasn’t good ! Pikebike shat itself and removed the comment ! The saga continues
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 @Matt115lamb: Yes they deleted your's and my comments,censorship is not cool.
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 @StevieJB: I'm very curious to read that news paper / media article. Any link or source where to find it?
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 @FlavienB: could just be media lies , fake news but it says he was ALLEGEDLY a right barsteward who repeatedly abused his sister and fled to France .............and was shot by a Kalashnikov bullet ! All very strange
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 @PauRexs: that is why is a must to check hunting activities. We have the phone of a girl who is responsible of that info. If you go to Ainsa again,plz go to any info point an download the app(yes an app with a very detailed map) or call that number with all hunting info you need to not go there. To me it is stupid let the people hunt in that area,so close to the villages,but there is always a map and enough info. Hunting rules over MTB or other any activity, We are the "new" guys in the block,for 50 years hunters have all the land for them,to do whatever they want. Hunters are f*cking retarded here in Spain an the best thing is stay far away of them. There is so little control over hunting by local police o guardia civil,I never take the chance to be so close to hunters like you here in Spain,it is a good chance you go home in a plastic bag.
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 @Matt115lamb: Strange? Sounds like the wheel of Karma in action.
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 @homerjm: agreed. Lucly the people responsible from ZonaZero are doing a great job and putting their main effords and budget in this issue... Incidents like this unfortunatelly will get riders more councious of the need to use this apps and follow the instructions... but hunters also should know if anyone is hurted their activity is over... just a question of time...
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 @PauRexs: yeah they are doing a great job. In the future they must chose between MTB or Hunting cos sooner or later something bad like in Morzine is possible. Hunters are dickheads, but there are tons of people involved in hunting like in MTB there. I think they would take hunt far away of ZonaZero trails,cos hunting is not compatible with any other activity,it is too dangerous. I´m from Madrid,very far away of Ainsa and here,half of the money Madrid have to protect the land(natural parks or whatever) go to hunting association,it is just crazy...
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 @gooutsidetoday: you know, I cannto help thinking that someone who has fun killing can't be a too nice person. Butchers usually don't have fun while they work.
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 @giopk70: butchers don’t usually kill animals , they get sent to the abattoir !
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 @giopk70: my butcher has always got a big smile Smile
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 It seems the guy raped his sister several times when they were childs. His mother and sister are happy he has been killed. This is getting weird...
m.tdg.ch/articles/5bc75006ab5c3743f8000001
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 @getsomesy: Friends don't let idiots ride mt.bike at 6pm in a hunting zone during hunting season knowing that drunk hunters are around!
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 I’m an avid hunter and mountain biker. I regularly ride in hunting areas although I personally don’t hunt in biking areas. There is just no way this should happen. When you are hunting, you study the animal in detail before pulling the trigger. How many points does it have on the antlers, how long they are, the thickness, the body size and orientation. You aim for a very specific part of the animal, right behind its shoulder. You study the area behind your target to make sure it is safe. We don’t really know what happened here but this is a suspicious, tragic, and totally avoidable with just a basic level of caution. In Europe they have much more stringent requirements for hunter safety education than in the United States, so it is even more surprising. Prayers to the family.
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 Exactly.
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 Stray bullet maybe?
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 There are competent and incompetent people in everything I guess... Problem that an incompetent hunter is a public threat. Hope we can do something smart to avoid those "accidents" someday cause this is unacceptable. All my thoughts and positive vibes to familiy and friends.
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 Hunters here tend to act like they own the forest. No amount of training will change their mindset. It's not like in the states where it's a kind of hobby for everyone. It's only for the privileged few and therefore elitism runs rampant in those circles. There's no moral code or anything involved because they are a closed circle who do not answer to outsiders and there isn't any real control over what they do in the woods. Americans to me always seem to take more pride in the way they hunt, making it more about skill and all that which also involves responsibility. It's a totally different thing over here.
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 Pride goeth before a fall. Hunters and mountain bikers are no different with regards to the famous last words, “hey, watch this ...”. A likely scenario is that the young man was possibly wanting to make an impression and acted too hastily.
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 Unlikely to be Deer - more likely wild boar which I understand are very aggressive. I know hunters have carried .45 magnums as a backup if it charges.
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flag drivereight (Oct 14, 2018 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 Tell me that you can see left or right when you are scoped in with you target and that you'll notice a rider at that moment you decide to pull that trigger? Even spotters are also looking at the target, same view.
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 Could be said the same for the mt. Bikers and hikers! They all think they own the forest and limits each other's access!
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 @Loki87: totally agree. In Spain hunting is for rich people and his friends. It is not an average hobby like RC planes or MTB. That people pay X amount of money to kill,maybe any of those hunters know the place or take care about risky places. Hunting not a cheap thing here,you never see an old 4x4 in a hunting parking lot. Firearms are expensive,those people like custom guns at the prize of half a new house. It is money to some remote places and that is why they let hunters do whatever they want to do.
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 @Loki87: and that’s why we can’t have things
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 Finally someone says something wise. Thanks mate. Rip
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 @drivereight: dont shoot across a multi use trail might be a good start
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 @homerjm: MTB is for rich people and friends, as well!!!
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 @raulgoa: yes...of course....do you know how much it cost a day of shooting here? 500€ to 1500€ and you must pay for each animal you kill. Those guys easy spend 4000-5000€ per day of hunting. Even hunting rabbit is expensive. You can ride all day long in Morzine for less than 20€. I don´t like hunting,my first mtb ride was in a hunting land property of my uncle,he used to organize those hunting party in that land. Every weekend was the same,unload a bast amount of wine boxes,food,good 5 jotas Jamón iberico at 700€ piece...Every weekend 2 or 3 dogs death by friendly fire and the land was full of plastic cases cos any of those guys take his own shit. Some guys were so drunk they never ever come back to shoot cos they were a f*cking danger for the rest of the people. Hunting in Spain sucks,it is not a guy by his own trying to find an animal,it is more like shooting live targets...
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 @t1000: the day we’re able to avoid ‘accidents’ is the day humanity is no more.
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 shoot photos not animals.
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 or as in this case humans.
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 @colincolin: Same thing.

And well said.
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 Photos arent as tasty
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 I like my photos rare!
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flag me2menow (Oct 14, 2018 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 You cant feed your family photos
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 @me2menow: none of you goons are feeding your family solely off hunting anyways, let's not be disingenuous.
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 @me2menow: Sven Martin disagrees.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 14, 2018 at 11:29) (Below Threshold)
 Whar if he was shot riding an E-bike...
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 @WAKIdesigns: Then that means the hunter missed the bike!
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 Body armour; it’s not just for crashing ...


I kid, I kid, people need to lighten up on judgmental condemnation when in reality they have no idea what happed. The Facepalmbook/Twatter generation is truly the rise of ignoramus extravagansus.
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 @TheUnknownMTBR: mate. this is all over the news in the UK. The hunter has already been quoted as saying he though it was a fast moving animal...
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 @anchoricex: yeah, same way youre not feeding your family solely off the groceries you bought last month either. Nice strawman argument though. Hope youre vegetarian, otherwise consider yourself a cowardly hypocrite who would rather blindly have someone else do their dirty deed. Funny enough, I've actually started eating less meat since I began hunting because I found a new appreciation and connection to the life cycle. Maybe that's just me though.
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 @me2menow: beans, seeds, nuts we are ot cave man any.kre their is alternatives now.
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 @ybsurf: It's not a diet that my body can thrive with, but I support veganism
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 @me2menow: seriously give it a try changed my life more energy feel way better try it a month at least
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 @ybsurf: I read somewhere that humans will have to seriously change there diets from meat to insects ! Can’t wait . Love steak but it never feels right in me !
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 @colincolin Hunting is the best form of animal conservation we have, and it's the most ethical way to get meat.
There's a reason hunting is strictly regulated all over the world, it's to balance different animal populations in a world we humans have f*cked up.
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 @Matt115lamb: Salmon farming is more efficient than cicadas, just saying.
I'd rather eat fish than bugs.
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 @Losvar: sorry but hunting isn't any good for animal conservation. The true best form of animal conservation is the nature itself. Hunting greatly affects the genetic heritage of species because hunters are after the bigger/stronger/rarer individuals, hence weakens species. Which is exactly the opposite of what nature does or needs. I'm not entirely against hunting, I find hunting more respectful of animals than meat industry for instance. But stop the conservation argument please, that is bullshit.
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 @Losvar: Farming insects for protein is much much more efficient the salmon farming , it’s happening as we type . Bugs are the future , mmmmmm !
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 @Matt115lamb: Why don't we just start eating vegans... they may be low on vitamin B12 but we can supplement that.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I’d prefer a bug over bum
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 Just read 11 people have been shot in france by hunters. Something is badly wrong here. If you are unable to tell the difference between an animal and a human on a bike or in a car something is badly off or wrong. Time the french updated their laws and legislation around who ,what ,why, where and when about hunting.
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 yeah, problem is even hunters know that 80% of hunters are trash but they can't/won't really do anything about it. When I was a kid, my mom (who never actually hunted but was going with her dad when he was hunting) used to show me the things hunters were doing wrong when we were hiking together : not "breaking" the rifle when you walk around, aiming toward a road, house, or zone where you have no sight of what could be hidden in (...).
I can not count the number of times I have seen hunters breaking these rules. And don't get me started about the beer cans abandonned in the three stands....
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 @zede: also in Italy we have same situations, maybe worse. And the hunters have a great influence on politicians.I'll say that nowadays 95% of them has zero respect for people, themselves included (many deadly accidents involve other hunters), animals and nature, the abandon trash, their bullet and anything else on the ground, they use to break bike features on the trails, last week they even broke the trailshead signal we put on our local trails. For me there's no place in the world for this people, but as our american friends know well the guns lobbies rules the world, so very little hope that us mtbers can really change somethin about it. Maybe if we start hunting the hunters lol . "Fight the fighters not their wars"
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 I would suspect alcohol is often at play in most of these cases.
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 According to ONCFS (French national hunting association)
"In France, Between June 2017 and June 2018, the number of hunting accidents was 113
These accidents, all with firearms, resulted in 115 casualties, 17 of which were non-hunters. Of the 13 dead, two of them were not hunters.
The vast majority of fatal accidents are linked to a breach of elementary safety rules and in particular to the violation of the 30 ° safety shooting angle, unidentified fire and mishandling of the weapon."

So there are laws and rules to respect, but...
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 @Lone-Wolf-Productions: isnt it illegal to hunt while under the influence? If it isnt, it should be.
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 @Lone-Wolf-Productions:
You won't believe it.
I worked security at a big hunting trade show in Salzburg Austria a few years back a few times.
Those hunters were literally drunk to the point they couldn't even walk anymore at 10 in the morning. And not just a few, no. More like 25% of the visitors. We had a mass brawl during lunchtime there. They definitely have a very bad drinking habit in general. And i like to drink myself mind you,so it's not as if i would comdemn drinking alcohol as such,but there's always a right time and place. This behaviour, the beer cans in tree stands and the general way hunters around here tend to behave tells you A LOT about their mindset. They think they own the forest and everyone else should stay the f*ck outta there.
I guess that's more of a european problem stemming from feudal times when people actually owned the land and others were forbidden to hunt there, because i've never had the impression american hunters had the same tendencies.
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 maybe it's that they only shoot and hunt on vacation, since there aren't many places to do so easily in France/Europe in general. I'm sure there are experienced hunters in Europe, but perhaps a lot of the hunters, especially new generation, are just not that well practiced and familiar. There were probably fewer accidents when rifle skills were taught in PE class at school. There's already tons of legislation in Europe regarding firearms and hunting... my guess is that isn't the problem
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 @Loki87: that's interesting/disturbing... American hunters are, generally, quite responsible. Any time I have hear of such behavior around here, there's usually a bunch of hunters who are flaming mad about it, and either said something to the irresponsible party or called Game and Fish on the offenders
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 @trialsracer:
That's tje difference.
If you were to listen to (at least Austrian) hunters in private talking about this incident I'm pretty sure they'd toast to the guy shooting a mountainbiker (they hate us with a passion) and would just put it down by saying he should not have been riding there so it's his fault.
I'm not even gonna start about the stories i've heard during lunch about shot dogs and cats when i was sitting at the same table with a group of middle aged gentlemen...
Since then i'm convinced they are a bunch of utter lunatics.
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 @trialsracer: "American hunters are, generally, quite responsible". Go to Colorado during the hunting season/ Texan invasion and you'll see the biggest group of idiots ever.
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 @Loki87:i think wildlife officers in the usa are more intent on catching offending hunters, and hunters turn in other hunters not obeying the rules much more often
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 @Boardlife69: There are always exceptions, but that doesn't mean they're the rule.
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 @mtbikeaddict: not saying all Texans are like that, just the ones that go to Colorado and braaap around on ATVs, leaving behinds hundreds of cans of shitty Busch light and wonder why they cant bag anything other than hikers and MTBers.
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 @Boardlife69:
Personally i do not even consider those people hunters.
They are tourists looking to experience the thrill of killing.
Real hunters are the people who hunt where they live and process the carcass for meat. You respect the art of hunting and the animal and do it as professional as possible. There´s nothing wrong with hunting as long as you do it for the right reasons, which the people you describe are not.
Going to another state or country just to kill a few animals is not a sustainable thing, it´s purely for entertainment purposes, so i think we and anybody serious about hunting needs to make that destinction.
You get out there, shoot an animal and are proud of your skills and the ability to provide for your family? Great, that´s only fair.
You go to another country/state and pay to waltz through the woods with your automatic gun mowing down herds of animals while drinking beer so you can brag in front of your buddies at home? You´re not a hunter, period. You´re an idiot with too big a gun.
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 When I lived in Colorado my neighbors, Native Americans, would go out on horseback and bows and bag one of the biggest elk of the season all before the Texans even started to pack their bags. But they also knew where to go because it's where their grandfathers and great grandfathers went to hunt. They would spend weeks tracking their trophey. THATS hunting. Whats NOT hunting is sitting on your drunk fat ass shooting anything that crosses your path.
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 @Boardlife69: As others have stated... not true hunters, just macho idiots. Smile
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 @Loki87:
Same shit applies down here, that sick mindset that they own the place, we as a country have the second or highest hunter % on total population, they f*cked every aspect of wild life and littering every creek and moor they go to. Not to mention the degress of all wildlife, nothing goes without being shoot at even other hunters! As long as they keep shooting each other is ok, at least maybe they self control the populasion
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 @Yep. Gigantic influx of stupid Texans in CO during deer and elk season.
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 I hope all you 'hunters' hunt for food and not just for the joy of killing.
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 We do. Eat everything we kill...or don’t shoot it, fish for it, or otherwise molest it. My 11 year old knows this.
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flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 80/20 Joy of killing/food.
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 @AaGro: exactly, us to. My kids aren't old enough to shoot yet but ive already started teaching them. And don't worry @jclnv doesn't speak for all Canadians.
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 If everyone could sign thease it would be amazing. A few of the locals in Morzine are getting together tomorrow for a meeting with the hunters and the more signatures we have on thease parutions the better. So please get together and let's hope we can change the rules a little bit.
www.mesopinions.com/petition/animaux/arret-chasse-dimanche/15814

www.mesopinions.com/petition/animaux/reforme-radicale-chasse/47588

Cheers guys and girls.
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 I have met more than a handful hunters who were both drunk and very unpolite. One time I was on a slow pace gravel road between trails and a group of hunters saw me coming, but intentionally got in my way while I was passing them. I know for a fact that the road was not closed. They didn't even say anything to me, just blocked my path. I got the feeling right there that one of these days I might die out here. Still riding though..
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 They were likely trying to prevent you from flushing away their game. I ran into hunters on a ride just yesterday. They were headed the same way as me, and they turned back when I passed them, likely reasoning that the hunt was futile if I was passing through ahead of them.
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 @tripleultrasuperboostplusplus: Maybe so, but very unpolite nonetheless. I didn't really see them do anything besides just standing there. Their cars were parked at the side of the road also.
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 Never agreed with hunting, this just makes me hate it more. Thoughts to all involved
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flag millsr4 (Oct 14, 2018 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 So are your a vegetarian then or a hypocrite? There is nothing wrong with hunting, just stupid people...
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flag IntoTheEverflow (Oct 14, 2018 at 7:33) (Below Threshold)
 @millsr4: Here come the hypocrites and their downvotes....
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 @millsr4: Stupid people with Guns.. something’s wrong with this sentence! Can you figure out why that doesn’t make sense.. how about Children & Babies with Guns? Any better!? Nope.. Guns should be earned with HIGH levels of Respect & if misused than bye bye Guns! It’s just too easy to own a gun a pull a trigger.. this is also why I seriously respect Bow Hunters because it takes skill to kill with Arrows
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 @Jaybirdy: bow hunting is considerably less efficient and leads to more animal suffering. Ive see way too many deer carcasses with arrows sticking out of them to prefer that method.
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flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:04) (Below Threshold)
 Bow hunters are pure scum. Nobody is 100% accurate so you have cool scenes likes a few years ago when a bear was seen running across the highway in Whistler with an arrow sticking out of its back. Yeah mad respect for bow hunters.

Quality meat isn't that expensive and it isn't healthy for humans to eat too much of it. How about evolving like 95% of the planet and just eat the domesticated animals we've bred for that reason once in a while.
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 @jclnv: right... so Bow hunters are more scum then “mental” people with guns.. okay dudes
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 @jclnv: I would not call that evolving.
Just look at how most of those animals you eat, have to live.

If I was an animal I would prefer a free life in nature, untill a bullit stopped me.
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 Why don't you agree with hunting?

If you are a meat eater then hunting for your meat is the most honest, environmentally responsible, humane way of procuring it. You are guaranteed the animal is healthy, has enjoyed its life in the wild eating what comes naturally and are helping conserve population of herd. To be a meat eater and get your meat from the meat counter at Safeway's, vacuum sealed, reared in captivity in a stressful environment, fed an unnatural diet and pumped full of hormones and drugs to keep it 'healthy', is hypocritical and naive. The majority of hunters are respectful of the environment, the outdoors and the animal and are extremely thankful that they are able to get their meat for their family from hunting.
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flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 @zorba73: That argument is moronic. So ban meat from the stores and everyone can buy a gun and go hunting.

Thousands of people would get shot and the deer, elk etc populations would be extinct in 6 months.

Genius.
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 @millsr4: yes actually, been veggie for about 2 years, grew up in a house dependent on horses and hunting (foxes) and never agreed with it, so what’s your point???
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 @IntoTheEverflow: I rarely eat red meat but when I do it's mostly from a small grass fed cows from 8km away. They have a nice field to live in for a while and they're killed they're shot at point blank and processed on site.

I like leaving the deer for the cougars. That's their food and it stops them eating us when they can't find any.
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 @sewer-rat: He doesn't have a point. He just wanted to try being insulting.

I'm far from a vegetarian and hunting is stupid to me. If you don't need to do it in order to literally survive then you are just killing an animal for fun.
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 @jclnv: You are an exception to the rule then.
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 @sewer-rat: just checking... ???? I live in a part of the world where hypocrites run rampant and people love to talk shit on hunting while going to the grocery store to pick up a chicken to eat...

@mgolder if you eat meat and don't respect hunters vs factory farming you are part of the problem. We eat too much meat in today's age and have become disassociated with our food sources and it leads to ignorant comments such as yours. Would you eat that ham if you had to kill the pig yourself?! We would not have evolved as a species without hunting and factory farming is in part killing our society on this side of the pond.
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 @zorba73: "You are guaranteed the animal is healthy" You know nothing Jon Snow. You are right that farm meat is full of chemistry, but wild animals are full of parasites and often with diseases as well. There are dozens of kinds of parasites, and no meat tests will ever guarantee that the meat is free of them. All You can do is cook the hell out of them. So if You prepare the meat on the campfire You really need to know how to do it. If the slice is too thick, cooking will not do the job. And some parasites can just happily live inside You for years, without You ever noticing that the immune system is constantly deprived, maybe some allergy can appear and so on.
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 Humans were actually scavengers first hunters second
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flag TheUnknownMTBR Plus (Oct 14, 2018 at 13:31) (Below Threshold)
 There are more than a few MTBr’s who probably wished there were more hunters around right at the moment they were mauled and eaten alive. The only guarantee in life is death and you never can know when your time is up. He could have died a thousand other freak accident ways and what anyone’s opinion about it matters not. I seem to recall at least one hiker death getting slammed into unexpectedly by a MTB rider. It wouldn’t surprise if there were more ...
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 WTF??
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 I respect the hell out of hunting, even though it’s not something I practice. But there needs to be a very real punishment for such a crime. People don’t look like game. In my mind, the onus is on the hunter to prove they’re not a trigger happy lunatic. Take a look at a show like “meat eater” on Netflix. I can’t imagine Steve Renella blasting a mountain biker. That show alone demonstrates the exact reasons why hunting should be respected and appreciated. When someone is “mistaken” for some kind of game, a lot of red flags go up in my mind.
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 dont get your hopes too high, last year a hunter killed a runner in the same region and only got sentenced 1 year in prison...
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 I’m not “hopeful” at all. Who knows how it went down, but regardless, it’s a sad state of affairs for everyone involved. I guess when I first read this story I just think of a trigger happy Dick Cheney situation. Now if that was the case, I say the punishment needs to fit the crime. Enough so that it detours other less caution hunters from blindly shooting anything that moves. Education of best practices is paramount. @Diag:
  • + 8
 My riding buds and i just stopped riding some of our favorite trails for the year, because hunting season just started. I don't trust some hunters with their trigger happy fingers. ANd then there's also the chance of getting hit by a stray bullet.
  • + 8
 I honestly think that if someone is enjoying killing animals for fun, must have some sort of mental problems. This case is pure murder. Who cares if was intentional or not, a person died. Thoughts to family. RIP
  • + 7
 The biker was british, he was riding in Morzine, he was living in Morzine, he was a french restaurant owner. Definitely France has lost a great quality immigrant...........

Rest in peace Lord Crank

et mort aux enculés de chasseurs
  • + 10
 Prison term for this please. Perhaps they can then reflect on their attitude to shooting animals for fun.
  • + 11
 To be fair to Alpine Hunters, boar are hunted for food.
  • + 9
 How do you know they were not going to eat the animals and use their skins?
  • - 8
flag jclnv (Oct 14, 2018 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 So what if they were?

A bunch of rednecks shooting shit random up in the mountains is hardly a civilized way to enjoy the outdoors is it?
  • + 1
 @and they look like a Session so...
  • + 6
 I have hunted and ridden a lot. I’ve never seen a person on a bike and thought “oh animal”. The only way this could be “accident” is if he fired on a game animal missed and hit someone way off, which is hugely unlikely.
  • + 2
 Unlikely, yes, but happens on occation. 2011 a skier was killed by the same bullet as a moose. The bullet was deflected while passing through the moose and 58 meters of dense forest before it hit the very unlucky skier.
  • + 1
 @feeblesmith: that poor soul. I can only imagine the astronomical chances of that happening.
  • + 1
 @PHeller: The Universe does like to mess with us.
  • + 4
 @PHeller: perhaps "microscopic"? Or, as an oxymoron, "astronomically small"? Wink
  • + 5
 This is why I don't ride anywhere near hunting areas during hunting season. I'm a hunter myself, but there are just too many ways for things to go wrong on top of the fact that there are too many hunters out there that have no business being anywhere near a gun. Surprisingly, more hunters die each year in the US from heart attack and falling out of tree stands than from firearm accidents.
  • + 7
 There's some morbid irony in the fact that the owner of a vegan restaurant got shot dead by somebody out hunting game.
  • + 4
 The most concerning thing in this comment thread is all the hunters who are convinced that they could never make such a mistake. That type of complacency is so dangerous. As other commenters have said, the science suggests that even the most experienced hunters can be fooled by cognitive biases and completely misidentify a target despite all the caution and experience in the world. It's fairly hard to combat, I try to be in a mindset of expecting to see people when I'm hunting, but I'm aware that the risk will always be their no matter what precautions we take.

That said, it sounds like the hunting culture in France might be pretty different from here (and scary as hell). Booze and firearms should never mix. Perhaps it wasn't a failure to identify target in this case, but some other factor.
  • + 4
 @mattwragg: That would be fine if they put signs up. When I lived where you do, yes they were excellent at signing and we had it easy to go elsewhere. Where I live now, they don't sign - I have never once seen any kind of sign. In fact, you don't even see all the cars that you'll see littered around a hunt in your neck of the woods meaning you could always tell there was a hunt on. The guys down your way always seemed very nice and courteous. I wouldn't say that about the ones up here. They also do stupid things here like shooting across footpaths without spotters. You make a good point about being able to make a choice, BUT you can only do that if you're properly informed. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case up here in the Savoie and Haute Savoie.
  • + 1
 @gravitysgirl Well if that is the case, it's a shame and I hope this incident forces them to sort that out.
  • + 3
 Hunters love mtbbikers in france, everyone knows that.That's why they love to set up different types of traps (wires stretched between two trees at chest height, wooden planks full of nails hidden in the ground, big rocks or logs placed on the back drop of jumps etc) for us bikers to get injured or possibly killed, just to remind us that we're their guests in the wild... These people are insane.
  • + 4
 Here in Alberta, I've ridden dirt bikes many times in places where people shoot guns for fun, we've seen many drunks going gun crazy, firing rounds off near single track trails, I can see this easily happening.
  • + 2
 Yep, I see some morons shooting every once in awhile right near a very popular traiI. I won't ride this time of year on my local trails unless it's in the local bike park. Although this year there's 6 inches to a foot of snow on the trails, so problem solved.
  • + 6
 When applying for a Hunting License is an eye exam required? Honest question.
  • + 3
 Riding Pemberton today and it's deer season. Never had any concerns riding in the fall there and I've always got on well with hunters I've met while riding. If I had to guess I'd say the perpetrator was drinking. Not normal for proper avid hunters but very common for cowboys on their annual foray into the woods. Super sad regardless. My thoughts and prayers to his family.
  • + 3
 f*cking hunters... not that hunting is bad, you know, nothing more honest than go out there kill your own dinner, is just the white trash 80% of hunters are.
You seen them (I did) having cognac and a cigar for breakfast at 7am, then you hear the stories about a dead hors3, cow, their own dogs... and then this.

Easy triggers out there, your place is in the army, bros.
  • + 3
 I live in the high desert of SoCal where shooting is legal and worry that some gun toting idiot with more kool tattoos and body fat than brains will "accidentally" shoot me..... but at least they bring shit to shoot and then just leave it in the desert.... but hey, I guess that's their right.
  • + 7
 I remember this in Nevada, going only a mile or so out in the desert and seeing couches, TVs, etc all shot up and left there. Those are not hunters though, just trashy idiots that own guns to pretend to be macho.
  • + 7
 No it is not accident!!!!
  • + 3
 Here in France it’s always a problem with the hunter, most of them don’t have the experience, it’s too simple to get a license and after they don’t know what they have to do.
They never say on which part of the mountain they are going to be also so it’s really complicated to ride safe when they are around the trails.
What happened is dramatic but I am not even chocked about this situation.
  • + 3
 Brief article from "LeMonde" says that the biker was "perfectly identifiable" on a trail used "frequently".
Don't have much info, and I'd rather stay clear of the "stone-drunk hunter" stereotype, but it is really a massive phack-up with 2 lives shattered (the shooter's life is probably down the drain also), not to mention ripples across families.

I'd recommend to give up hunting and plays Petanque instead. Quite popular, involves throwing heavy metallic objects towards a target, and a yearly death rate that is a tad lower.
  • + 3
 If his family had been making all this up for fun, I see that as even more fu*ked up than it already is!
IF this is all fact, which hey could be, why did he decide of all places to hop off to the alps? I'd like to think that if the UK police, had just a whiff of any sexual misdemeanours being reported to them, they'd be applying for extradition for trail, faster than Steve peat on a downhill run!
France isn't exactly Russia when it comes to extradition, the UK wants some possible serious sexual predator back on it's soil for trail? you can bet your house, French cops will be busting down there door in a heartbeat, and slinging them on the next available flight to Heathrow!
Want to run a business in France? got a criminal record? forget about the idea! it's simply not happening. you will need scrutinising a fair bit, before you even get off the ground.
My point being, just because Facebook posts, a daily mail and sun journo say this is, what it is, doesn't make a dead man whom cant say sh*t, about sh*t being slung his way, guilty as charged by media. but what do I know? I'm not a jury nor a judge, and it doesn't much look to me, that either of those have been involved in this story.
  • + 2
 How stupid are the French? Hunting zones where people ride/hike!?!? F*cking morons.

How dumb is the shooter? Don't know what a person riding a bicycle looks like? This idiot should be put in jail for at least 15yrs.

BASIC firearm safety; Be sure of your target AND what is behind it. If you aren't 100% about either you DON'T squeeze.

No wonder it's so hard to get firearms in the EU.
  • + 2
 There needs to be a fix to these deadly occurrences in France. Regardless of one's thoughts about hunters or hunting, or hiking and mountain biking, or anything, really, there is something that could be done right away to reduce the occurrences of deadly shootings. That is to restrict the hunters to certain days. I don't think it would be possible to restrict other activities to certain days, but certainly hunting could be restricted to certain days. It's a recipe for disaster to have loaded firearms in an area with other users. In the army nobody walks around on the shooting range when the range is hot. It doesn't make any sense at all to do such a thing. And even with all the controls in place to avoid shooting mishaps on the range, mishaps do occur. Because firearms are deadly and humans are involved. So for me, I would rather know exactly when and where hunting is occurring, and be somewhere else during that time. My condolences to the family of the dead mountain biker. Very tragic.
  • + 4
 Would we need to wear hi vis vest to protect ourself Now? Like do a bike rider looks like wildlife to you take you time before you shoot geez
  • - 1
 In short. No
  • + 3
 more hi vis than troy lee's?
  • + 4
 Troy Lee hi vis saves lifes
  • + 2
 Crazy how something like this can happen. And very bad luck for the poor guy that lost his life... R.I.P.
We ended up in a hunting zone last week in Belgium. Warning signs were only set up on one side of the woods. From the Dutch border we rode straight into the hunting zone... And then all of a sudden two guys with guns were standing in front of us on the trail, telling “the woods were closed for that day.....” At first we thought “f*ck you I’ll ride wherever I want” until we exited the woods on the Belgian side going into Germany, where we saw all these hunting signs....
  • + 3
 How the hell could a hunter accidently shoot a cyclist, maybe in a war zone but not when out on a leisurely hunt. Perhaps the hunter was boozed up and aimed for the Eagle on his rear mech.
  • + 0
 According to this story from a French website:
www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/haute-savoie-un-cycliste-tue-par-un-chasseur-7795182249
and translated by Google Translate:
"As he rushed down a path at the edge of a wood, a 34-year-old mountain biker was shot dead by a shotgun."
That account is very different than a shooting from longer range through a rifle scope, so I think an accidental shooting by this means is very plausible. The shooter is exceptionally distraught, according to some articles. If they were hunting boar, I thinks that's how it works. A boar is rustled from the woods, shrubs, etc, by a dog in some hunting scenarios, and then shot at close range by a waiting hunter. If this is the case then the mountain biker was in the worst place to be. Very tragic. My condolences to his family and friends.
  • + 4
 I put hiviz orange on my helmet all hunting season. A little bit on the bike or riding gear too. Don't need to get shot, I already escaped Chicago
  • + 2
 note that just like forest fires, hunting is required to keep an healthy environment. this is because we eliminated threats to most big animals (re implenting wolves in France has been tried but they niw reign kings and all the sheep die, so they hunt them too now), just like we stopped most forest fires (thus we now do controlled fires all the time).

its a delicate balance, and while most meat will be eaten, and hunters mostly do it for fun, its also necessary.

(note that i dont hunt and think that most hunters in France are elitist, drunk pricks. us hunters are far more respectable. culture problem?)

finally like many i dont bike or hike if theres any sign of them hunters specially in France. a lot of places require signage and its never during the weekend so its not all that bad
  • + 0
 Not surprised the meat heads are downvoting you. This readership is unusually poorly educated out of all the sites I frequent.
  • + 2
 Here in Germany i man was shot while being a co-driver on the highway. Allegedly a hunter was trying to shoot an animal beside the highway. People make mistakes, it happens. In the case of hunters welthy, mentally challenged, sometimes drunk...people... Make costly mistakes.
  • + 2
 @Muckal It can not be called a mistake.
In France, You are not allowed to shoot toward a road, a path, a trail unless you the road/trail is blocked and guarded to ensure nobody will go on it.
I have no clue about law in germany, but in France what you're describing could have been charged as "negligence criminelle" if you had been injured ( or killed). And the hunter can get till 10 years of jail for that.
  • + 2
 @zede: we will see what german courts hav to say about that case..
  • + 1
 @Muckal: was this guy injured or did he die?
  • + 2
 Oh look a *cough NEWS story....(reads) ...hmmm it's written.. therefore must be true! even if I don't have ANY real facts in front of me, it's still true!
I've never met, nor EVER so much as spoken a word to any of these people I'm reading about, ..still true!
Journalist's wrote this, from the all knowing sun newspaper, and super factual daily mail, no less!.. without shadow of a doubt this is true!

I am a SHEEP, I believe pretty much anything, and everything, I don't see, or experience myself, regardless of fact, and evidence, that I really cant be arsed to look for myself, and will take anyone's word for either of them, I just love to judge others, on the slightest bit of bullshit that comes my way!.. welcome to my heard, Baaah!...this IS true.
  • + 1
 So three people who knew him very well. His mother, sister and ex-girlfriend all made it up for fun? Really?
  • + 5
 Tragic for both the rider and the hunter... Condolences to the rider's family. Ride in peace
  • + 1
 @nicfugere: The UK press today has his family saying the hunter did a good job. They are saying glad he’s dead, raped his sister, broke his ex girlfriends a jaw, expelled from school for threatening other with knives, he was an all out scum bag. All said and done seems like karma caught up.
  • + 2
 To my mind, unless you are in need of food and there's no other way, hunting should be banned. Our population density is too high and "common sense" with correct training too low.

I read up in the comments that hunters break biking features. Is there a way to confound them peacefully, such as buying up all the ammunition so there's none for them to use? If some one sees them out on the mountain we could follow them making a lot of noise or something - i don't know!

Failing that - ride with rape alarms and switch them on when riding away from main bike parks!
  • + 2
 What i want to know is why on earth did they even allow people to be hunting near hikers and bikers. they should have a special hunting range for hunters ONLY and no one else, guns are more dangerous than what meets the human eye. things like this can happen so fast it's just sad...
  • + 3
 So many places in the Rockies are in hunting season now. Shit scares the crap out of me.
I don’t understand why they just don’t allow hunting near used trail areas. There so much land that can still be used.
  • + 6
 Exactly. I hope he gets prosecuted accordingly.
  • + 2
 Not to defend hunting as a whole, but in this case it just might have been that the hunter was aiming at an animal, missed and the bullet continued who knows how far and then hit the rider... I mean its close to impossible to mistake a rider for a deer or a hog with the helmet and everything.. I dont buy that to be honest.. What I think is the major WTF in this case, is a hunting zone inside a public tourists zone. In forrests around my place there are couple of shooting ranges, all of course with a tall wall all around them exactly because of this. If you miss, the bullet would just go into the forrest hitting god knows what or who. I dont understand how can you shoot without any restrictions inside a forrest that people walk/ride through.
  • + 8
 One of the many rules of hunting in France is that before pulling the trigger you should know where the bullet will end up if you miss. This avoids stray bullets flying around. There are also rules about which direction you should shoot in, given the fall of the land, to avoid strays. You should also have well studied the animal in your sights before pulling the trigger. With all this in mind, it seems hard to accidentally shoot a human being rather than an animal such as a wild boar (which is most likely what they were hunting).
  • + 6
 news just released he was a rapist... karma is a c*nt!
  • + 1
 Aledged rapist.....of his own sister?
  • + 1
 @onemind123: more then 100 times his mother claims.
  • + 1
 Regarding your translation... "parquet" in this instance refers to prosecutors. not the floor. what a terrible tragedy. wtf were they doing with goddam kalashnikovs??!?! not hunting is my guess. there are no friggin' boundaries to idiocy I suppose.
  • + 1
 It's simple.
Hunting should be illegal. Nature is already struggling to survive, suffering by our actions. Why should we add hunting ?
After all hunting is no more than a sadistic "sport", drawing pleasure by the legal killing.
  • + 1
 The guy on the bike was a British rapist! How could PB miss that one? But at least we now know a few things about PB some PB user profiles: We've got angry Vegans, hunter Vegans, alcoholic Vegans- beer is a vegan food! People who thinks food comes from Walmart, if you like you veggies and meat from China!
  • + 1
 I ride in an area open to hunting in the Fall. That's now here in the northeast US. I have no issues with responsible hunting and I normally don't think much of it when I'm out. My kit is red, white and black with a blue bike. Hard to mistake that for a turkey or deer. Also it's very well traveled with riders from states around. It's a shared area and I have no issues with that. Just be safe. I do have an obnoxious hi vis orange jersey if i feel I need it. Sad that this happened. Hope to both sides.
  • + 1
 As an avid mountain biker and former hunter, this is just absolutely horrible for everyone involved. It's not my job to judge the hunter or the biker (crappy luck, crappy hunter, or crappy rider on illegal trail) based on this short blurb, BUT I WILL REMIND EVERY BIKER TO WEAR ORANGE DURING HUNTING SEASON, AND THAT GOES FOR YOUR TRAIL DOG TOO, IF YOUR RIDING IN OR ADJACENT TO AREAS OPEN TO HUNTING. In my local riding area the hunters are the first out after a snowstorm and do a fair amount of trail maintenance getting to their spots before sunrise and even more on the way back out.
  • + 2
 very very sad news. I'm always extra careful when hunter season kickoff. I don't know how we can take lesson of it and block hunting or outdoor activity in dedicated place to completely avoid such drama.
  • + 1
 So sad. Condolences and compassion to all the rider's loved ones. Interesting to see all the judgement. Guns(not a fan) will always have a tragic side. Just like humans. We are all stupid at times. This hunter has failed to contain his 'fast brain' and the reaction of shooting something that is moving fast and being the first to take it down. Competition in this case is not a good thing. But who really knows what was going on in the moment. If we asked him he may also not know. Lapses in consciousness/presence happen all the time. Of course worst when firing a weapon or driving a car. I can't help but feel his mentors and hunting role models did not prepare him well enough.
Also remembering Greg LeMond's hunting accident which he luckily survived.
  • + 1
 Responsible gun users handinling guns responsible in confidence things like this would be slim to never
I’m a rider/hunter I can’t ever see my self mistakeing anything for what I’m hunting but I often worry of being mistaken for something. I wear dark clothing year round for riding during deer season I do not I’ve seen way to many people that lack all 3 of the first things I put down in my post and I know it’s my duty to do all I can to prevent. Thoughts go out to everyone involved and anyone who has had similar things affect them
  • + 1
 FUCK HIM ! so Glad he is Dead ! Thats what this monster who raped his own Sister Deserves ! Should be dead with 10 bullets or a bycicle stuck in his ass.. A least his family and other women are safe from this disgusting animal !
  • + 5
 Live every day as if its your last.
  • + 1
 Some people seem to be quick to the conclusion that the shooter actually targeted the biker. The most likely scenario is that the hunter had an aim on a target already, and that the biker crossed his line of sight, either at the exact moment he fired or his inexperience shocked him into firing as he was already tense. Terrible for everyone involved Frown
  • + 1
 I remember riding out in PA years ago and there was a sign saying it was a hunting area and to make sure you are visible. I did a real quick ride and got out of there. I didn't have bright colors with me as I had never run into such a thing in CA. Like the guy said above its not just the possibility of being shot thinking you were an animal but also the greater possibility of getting hit by a stray bullet.
  • + 3
 Terribly unfortunate. I hope he was shredding trail nailing a section with that little smirk on his face you get. That is the time I wanna go!
  • + 2
 We have the same problem here in western Greece with wild boar hunters, the days you allow hunting thinking about going for a bike ...
  • + 2
 I saw that yesterday. Really strange.... Supposing it is not true, how can a mother speak about his dead son like this? The father claims it is false, but anyway, this new situation is incredibly confusing.
  • + 0
 I don't get, how can any hunter claiming to be competent mistake a person on a bicycle for an animal? Total stupidity!
Riders should be careful out there also when it is hunting season, wear bright colors!

RIP Rider, sincere thoughts to his family.
  • + 1
 I am guessing the family does not give a f*ck about him. He was a rapist. www.thesun.co.uk/news/7527305/mark-sutton-cyclist-shot-france-rapist-stab-child/amp
  • + 1
 Summary being... poor bastard that fired the shot... and all love goes out to the family of the soul that lost their life today. Let's hope it is not in vain... clearly something needs to change....
  • + 1
 I've been to the Alps once. The lack of wildlife was staggering. Birdlife was almost non-existent and I can hardly imagine there is much game large enough to actually hunt....
  • + 0
 I'm a huge fan of people who can hunt their own meat. The world would be a better place without factory farming. But who the f*ck mistakes a person? This is called murder. Plain & simple. Hope this dude gets shot in the back.
  • - 1
 Even better go vegetarian or vegan better for everybody
  • + 1
 @ybsurf: Hilarious I get downvoted. Anyone who is against hunting is a moron. I eat vegan probably 95% of my life. I would eat someone's game though.
  • + 0
 @ybsurf: except the people around you smelling the vegan farts
  • + 3
 If this happened in the US guaranteed no repercussions, it would be, "whoops, mistakes happen, whadda 'ya gonna do?".
  • + 3
 Sadly the repercussions will be very similar in France
  • + 5
 Yeah, we even had a Vice President pepper someone while bird hunting. You could say hunting accidents are a national pastime.
  • - 4
flag JohanG (Oct 14, 2018 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 I'm sure your solution has never been thought of and if only the world listened to you, all its problems could be solved.
  • + 1
 This is awful news. I would also like to add that whether you like the colorways or not, wearing bright clothing from the likes of TLD, Fox, etc. can be a real safety feature if you ride in areas near hunting grounds.
  • + 4
 BBC news says it was s stray bullet
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45855897
  • + 5
 Technically yes, because if the bullet wasn't stray the police would be investigating a murder and not "aggravated manslaughter"
  • + 1
 that's bbc covering their pc ass again. one in million chance a stray bullet would hit someone in right place to kill them instantly.. Has happened in past but highly unlikely..
  • + 1
 I ride where there is a lot of hunting, during modern gun season for deer I stay out of there, its nuts and only a week. Other seasons I usually wear hunter orange or other hi-vis, its only common sense.
  • + 4
 Let the Hunters hunt each other. Problem solved.
  • + 1
 Sounds like the film Predator
  • + 3
 The tin can hunters are the ones that scare me. You know, the ones that empty the cans and then proceed to shoot at them.
  • + 2
 I shall start blowing a super loud air horn periodically throughout my rides now.
  • + 5
 Then you’ll get shot at for different reasons. Ive been threatened by a hunter (after sundown no less) that he “might accidentaly” shoot me because I was scaring away his deer.
  • + 2
 @PHeller: What a dick head.
  • + 2
 @PHeller: I hope you reported him - that's completely out of order.
  • + 1
 Sounds like a hunter tried to show off to his friends that he can scare a mountain biker and messed up dearly. He needs to be charged appropriately.
  • - 1
 Have you seen the color of bikes, helmets, and clothing lately? Earth tones! If everyone knew the hunter history in Europe boozing while hunting, why are everyone surprised this happened during hunting season in a hunting zone?
  • + 3
 The shooter should be put in Jail.
  • - 1
 Can we have a bit of respect please. A man has been killed and Im certain the young man who shot him didnt intend to. I have no idea about how hunting in france works, I have never hunted in any country but at this stage we know next to nothing about what happened
  • + 1
 I have shot at humans with a rifle from distance. I have shot at game animals with a rifle from a distance. There is a stark difference in the two.
  • + 2
 This can happen in Finale Ligure too... WIld pigs hunting season just started...
  • + 0
 is the "thanks" we get for saving the french from the Germans? !

All hunters are c*nts IMO, pussies with guns who like to hurt small animals - they all need rounding up and setting on fire.
  • + 3
 Hard to see how this could be an accident !
  • + 1
 Yep, there's a reason why the British police don't call anything an accident anymore
  • + 2
 Wow. Of all the injuries you might expect when out riding, this is bloody insane!
  • + 3
 tragic for all involved. sight your target with binos first and make sure
  • - 8
flag drivereight (Oct 14, 2018 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 Doesn't matter if the rider just happens to ride through at that moment the trigger was pulled! The rider is also responsible here, it's hunting season in a hunting zone...doesn't ring a bell then shit happens!
  • + 1
 What a shame he died. Turned out he was a bit of an arsehole. www.thesun.co.uk/news/7511062/brit-cyclist-mark-sutton-34-shot-dead-raped-sister
  • - 1
 The signs were there- "IS 6PM IN THE BACK COUNTRY, IN A HUNTING ZONE, DURING HUNTING SEASON"! I guess when you're vegan, that doesn't come across your mind? There's news, reports, everyone's well informed in the area! Don't be a statistic! You can not Enduro a 30.06!
  • + 2
 Very sad, but completely unsurprising when you have hunters and bikers using the same areas at the same time of year.
  • + 1
 Unfortunately there's always a few idiots(or accidents-maybe it was a ricochet) that spoil freedoms; access; reputations; etc. So bummed to hear
  • + 2
 If you look at la chasse and the safety record isn’t the best.

RIP and ride in peace
  • + 3
 It's a tragedy... There's a BIG problem with "hunters" all over Europe Frown
  • + 1
 Good thing it wasn’t a mt.biker on an E-Bike, PB site will crash for sure!
  • + 2
 i wonder if fishermen and scuba divers have the same problem
  • + 2
 Only if the diver takes the bait
  • + 0
 Hunter with guns and booze who thinks they own the forest vs mt.bikers who thinks they own the forest. PB did not publish all the facts here.
  • + 2
 Deer must be getting clever if they can wear hi vis and ride bikes!
  • + 2
 Rip. Condolences to family and loved ones.
  • + 2
 Hey what happened to my comment?Deleted by Pinkbike?
  • + 0
 ...I saw it, had it not been deleted it would have changed everyone's opinion.
  • + 1
 @Flowcheckers: ok but what if it's true.Freedom of speech ...and so on.
  • + 3
 RIP mate Frown
  • + 2
 Such a sad thing which shouldn't of happened. RIP dude
  • + 1
 Turns out the biker was also a rapist and had a criminal record.. just karma doing its job here
  • + 2
 Leave the animals alone. What the hell is wrong with people.
  • + 2
 Hunting is for cunts.
  • + 1
 I had a GT Ricochet, a Intense M16, a Tomac Carbide and Cannondale Trigger
  • + 1
 Remember hunt responsibly
  • + 1
 Alternative title - British rapist shot dead while on his bike.
  • + 2
 Ride In Paradise .
  • + 2
 Very sad Rest In Peace
  • + 1
 Funcking bastard of hunter. We can NOT ride saffety RIP Marc
  • + 2
 Very sad...
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 Hey, how come know one is talking about the elephant in the room?
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 It cost $7k-$10 to hunt elk, depending on the weight!
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 stay safe out there fellow riders, no shame in riding with bells
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 Annoying shameful diaturbing
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 Hunting is like munging. Super lame.
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 That Sucks !
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 Wear something red, Tie an orange ribbon to your lid during hunting season.
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 murder. no excuses, its a f*cking murder.
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 WOW Eek fck...
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 Definitely not prognarcore
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 Friends don't let animals ride mt.bikes!
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 F*ing twat. What an absolute f*ing twat.
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 Wearing hi vis gear is a good ideaFrown
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 But we are ok with the Artherton’s Fox Hunt! RiP foxes
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