18 Bikes That Could Be Updated in 2022

Jan 13, 2022 at 11:47
by Alicia Leggett  
Once again, as usual as we begin a new year, the Pinkbike editors have chosen to look into that murky crystal ball to try to predict what we might see in the bike industry over the next 12 months.

We've been seeing more and more bike brands move away from traditional model years, which (in my personal opinion) is great. That means that bikes are updated according to the pace of geometry shifts and technology advancement, and all that stuff tends to move forward on a two or three-year cycle. (Though, of course, many bikes are re-released each year with fresh paint and are branded as "new.") Regardless, I've taken a look back at the bikes that were last updated in roughly 2018 or 2019 in an attempt to predict what might be coming our way this season.

Guessing what to expect from the bike industry right now is extra weird, considering we've been in a pandemic for nearly two years that has thrown the industry all kinds of wildcards, but brands have continued to release new bikes amid supply chain issues, so we do expect to see that continue, even as bikes remain in short supply.

Now, a reminder: Yes, some editors have knowledge of unreleased bikes. No, those bikes aren't on this list. If you'd like more information on how we deal with embargoed information, check out Episode 51 of the Pinkbike Podcast. Note also that just because a bike isn't on this list doesn't mean that it's a bike I have embargoed information about. It's much more likely left off because this list is inexhaustive. There are plenty of bike brands out there releasing all kinds of bikes all the time, so clearly there will be lots of bikes coming out this year that aren't listed here. As my colleague James Smurthwaite wrote a year ago, "The methodology was as simple as going back through our archives and going, 'Huh, haven't seen that updated in a while.'"

So, here you are: These are my "Huh, haven't seen that updated in a while" bikes for 2022.


Pivot Mach 5.5 & Phoenix 29

Pivot has two bikes that haven't changed in a while. While I'd place my bets on the Mach 5.5 being the next one to be updated, the brand will likely have just as much, if not more, reason to update the Phoenix 29. The Mach 5.5 in its current iteration came out in 2017-2018, so it sports a 66.5-degree head angle and 460mm reach in size large, but what makes it seem most outdated is the 74.25-degree seat tube angle. Still, the Mach 5.5 is a 27.5" trail bike that isn't being raced like the Phoenix 29 is, which leads me to think the Phoenix may be higher on the priority list. The Phoenix 29 emerged in 2019 when Pivot put big wheels on its existing Phoenix DH, so it's about due for an update. All of that said, the Grim Donut encapsulates both the pedaling ability of a downhill bike and the descending ability of an outdated trail bike, so maybe the new Donut could replace both those models in Pivot's lineup?

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Cannondale Habit

Like some of the other brands on this list, Cannondale has focused its energy on its enduro and cross country offerings in the last couple of years, rather than what falls in between. With a new enduro team of Mitch Ropelato and Kera Linn and a growing cross-country presence that now includes Mona Mitterwallner, those race bikes make sense. Still, that mid-travel trail bike is going to need a refresh one of these days, and unless Cannondale has some surprises up its sleeve, I expect a new Habit to be next in Cannondale's pipeline.
Cannondale Habit


GT Fury & Sensor

While the GT Fury looks plenty modern with its high pivot and 29" wheels, the current version was released in 2019, and with GT ramping up its team again with some fresh up-and-comers on the downhill side of things, we'll very likely see an updated bike for those riders.

The other GT that hasn't changed in a while is the Sensor. While the enduro team has the new Force to play around on, GT will likely want to keep a shorter travel full suspension bike in its lineup, so we'll probably see a new Sensor one of these days to fill that gap.
GT Fury Review


Kona Operator

The Kona Operator is a classic, and I bet it'll stay around for a while yet. The last time we saw a new Operator was in late 2018 with the release of the carbon Operator CR. The Operator isn't currently on Kona's site, and there's a possibility Kona just isn't going to make a downhill bike for the time being, but I'd place my bets on seeing a new one sooner rather than later. The brand has its heart and soul rooted in the Pacific Northwest, where gravity reigns supreme. Even without currently supporting a downhill team, we expect the brand to keep some downhill blood running through its veins.
Kona Operator CR


Scott Genius & Ransom

We included the Scott Genius on this list last year, but it still hasn't been updated, so we're holding out for a new one in 2022. To be fair, Scott has come out with some new and interesting designs since then - take the latest Scott Spark and its hidden shock, for instance - so the brand hasn't been slacking off. We expect to see some of those changes trickling into Scott's flagship trail bike next time it sees an update.

And while I expect Scott will update the Genius before the Ransom, we may well see another Ransom this year. Scott's 170mm travel enduro bike returned for 2019 with modern geometry that still holds water today, but with already-long and already-slack bikes becoming even longer and even slacker, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Ransom receive the same treatment. Plus, with the Scott SR Suntour team taking on EWS races aboard the Ransom, Scott has plenty of reason to keep it current.
Pole Machine review


Yeti SB100, SB130, & SB150

Yeti went on a roll in 2018, launching the SB100, SB130, and SB150 bikes in a matter of months. The following year, Yeti unveiled the SB140 and SB165. Now, however, it's been a while since we've seen a new SBX bike. Could that mean that Yeti is preparing for a new naming scheme? I can't say for sure, of course, but I will point out that the new 160E doesn't contain those two letters in the name. Whatever they're called, Yeti will no doubt release updated versions of its full suspension mainstays - especially the SB150, as Yeti still has a prominent enduro team to field.
Yeti SB150


Santa Cruz Megatower, Hightower, & Tallboy

Santa Cruz has been busy, but not with updating its trail bikes. In 2019, the California brand released its new Megatower, followed closely by the Hightower and Tallboy, which were both officially 2020 bikes. (I think... with model years these days coming almost a year early, who really knows?) Regardless, essentially the entire remainder Santa Cruz lineup has been updated since then, plus Santa Cruz has released new two eMTBs. Now, I wouldn't be surprised to see the brand turn toward its enduro bike again to keep it as modern as the new Blur and even the V10, which hasn't been fully updated but saw the release of a mixed-wheel version in 2020. Then, I'd expect to see a new Hightower and Tallboy.
Santa Cruz Megatower review


Trek Remedy

The Trek Remedy is another one that was featured on this list last year, but has yet to see the update we're expecting. It seems brands have been focusing their efforts on the farther ends of the bike spectrum, updating their cross country, enduro, and downhill bikes before their middle-of-the-road, everyday trail bikes. After all, long travel bikes are climbing better than ever and short travel bikes are impressively capable these days. It's no surprise that, much like the American middle class, mid-travel bikes don't have quite the dominance they once had.
Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


Specialized Enduro

Sure, it feels like just yesterday that the latest Enduro arrived, but somehow it's been more than two years since the 2020 Enduro's August 2019 announcement. Since Specialized is on a relatively quick update schedule compared to most other brands, we expect to see another iteration of the Enduro before the current one turns three. It's worth mentioning that the current version is plenty modern, with 170mm of travel front and rear and a 63.9 to 64.3-degree head angle, but this is the bike industry, and the quest for marginal gains is never over, meaning that Specialized's work isn't done yet.
2020 Specialized Enduro



Lapierre Zesty & Spicy

Isabeau Courdurier absolutely crushed it in the 2021 EWS, and she did it on a bike that was last updated in 2019. The Lapierre Spicy fits both 27.5" and 29" wheels and shares a frame with the shorter-travel Zesty, only differentiated by different suspension parts. Both Isabeau Courdurier and Adrien Dailly have run various anglesets and custom shock links since at least 2020, and a half degree angleset comes stock on the Spicy for a 64.5 degree head angle in size small and 65 degree head angle for the rest of the size range. As that's a bit steep for a 170mm bike these days, we imagine the brand - which supports the 2021 EWS's #4-ranked team - will want to slacken things out.
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369 Comments
  • 416 2
 im also due for an update, just a few years behind on my geometry
  • 9 6
 Love this comment; perfect! Applies very much to me as well... ; )
  • 105 1
 Do you think the 2023 knees are going to be released soon? I could do with smoother operation and better longevity.
  • 19 1
 Gwin has a workout for ya
  • 16 0
 new lighter weight model required?
  • 89 0
 I've been getting a little slacker every year for a while now. I think I may be approaching the limit though
  • 11 0
 I’m trying to get a little burlier without compromising efficiency.
  • 4 3
 Will you also be getting the "high pivot" and "idler" treatment that is on trend these days?
  • 3 0
 @Bobadeebob: I can attest to the fact that slacking has no limits. Wait, are we still talking about bikes?
  • 13 0
 @fartymarty: I do plenty of idling, personally
  • 2 1
 will a session still look like a session, amazed pinkbike dont think it will be updated
  • 12 0
 @Patrick9-32: Oh man, you just wait until your age beats your head tube angle! Then we can talk knees and back and neck and shoulders and right elbows.. (Okay, fine, I'm not quite there myself but its getting sooo close.)
  • 23 1
 My wife could enjoy, my update to longer, slacker, and stiffer.
  • 19 1
 Time for a mullet!
  • 4 0
 @Patrick9-32: And mine have developed a creak.
  • 4 0
 Agreed- I’m finding that the newer models are typically lighter, and pedal better, offering greater versatility despite similar intended-use scenarios.

I don’t plan to add ‘in-frame storage’ anytime soon, either… but I can still carry two water bottles.
  • 5 0
 @Patrick9-32: They have reliability issues and cost 50% more than the old models, but they're slacker, weigh 12 grams less and come in 6 fabulous colorways.
  • 1 0
 @slowerthanmydentist: lol, nice one!
  • 6 0
 My username checks out...
  • 1 0
 @Jshemuel: and i'm plenty slack.
  • 3 0
 I'm surprised the Grim Donut wasn't on that list for an update! I understand there has been a downcountry focus lately but GD v3
  • 2 1
 Long, low and slow?
  • 9 16
flag MutleyAdams (Jan 17, 2022 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 @cursh1: Let's give your wife a mullet! You can give her your 29' up front while I serve her my 27.5 out back??
  • 1 0
 @MutleyAdams: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
  • 5 0
 As shown in bullshit vs baller, the rider makes the biggest difference.
  • 3 0
 @MutleyAdams: I got the new standards, Super boost 157 spacing I'll be giver her, while you got the 148 out back.
  • 4 3
 Pinkbike could use an update too, one without outside magazine. Come on pinkbike, don't rave about the specialized enduro and then say it needs an update. (santa cruz does need an update tho)
  • 2 0
 @MutleyAdams: I'm hearing this in the voice of Sean Connery from the Celebrity Jeaprody SNL skits, classic!
  • 1 1
 @cursh1: I think she would say- "longer, STEEPER, stiffer!
  • 2 0
 @Patrick9-32: I was hoping for the lower back linkage update, mine seems a bit too slack compared to the more upright posters I'm seeing on the newer versions.
  • 1 0
 My couch has been getting the Longer Lower Slacker treatment
  • 3 0
 At 51, I can tell you that my bottom bracket is significantly lower.
  • 1 1
 Happy just to reach horizontal without a pill. It doesn't pay to get old.
  • 141 5
 I feel like Specialized and Yeti are solid enduro bikes, think they are perfectly fine how they are
  • 87 1
 They'll honestly update for the sake of updating. When bikes are 3-4 years old people are afraid to buy them because they know an update is coming soon. So unless they put something out that says " hey we arent updating this bike" people will be afraid to buy it.
  • 33 1
 agreed. couldn't think of any significant changes... although I wish Yeti's switch infinity could be improved so it's easier to clean, needs less servicing and that you don't have to change its bearings every half a year...
  • 18 8
 The Yeti is still a perfect bike. Not that slack and all, but a fast and versatile bike for sure.
  • 6 1
 @MillerReid: I can definitely understand that mentality of being afraid of getting a bike when you're not sure if they will update it. In this case, the Specialized Enduro already has one of the best suspension designs on the market, and has modern geometry for an enduro bike, or "super enduro". So any update from here will most likely be minimal, but we'll see.
  • 34 0
 I normally buy a new bike almost every year, but this will be the 3rd season on my sb150. It's the best all-round bike I've owned, so I've just been updating parts.
  • 9 0
 Yep. Currently have a 2020 Enduro, not replacing it. However, secretly hoping for an "Epic Evo" with SWAT box as my N+1. Come on Specialized, do it!
  • 3 0
 @Hauck: Same for me, the first bike i've keep that long
  • 15 0
 The only ways to improve the Enduro are first, make an alloy one. Second, make the flip chip a bit wider in range to facilitate a mullet setup without one of those $300 AUD links. Oh yeah and third (kind of addressed by the first) fix the breakages.
  • 9 0
 @Hauck: I feel the same way about my SB130. I got mine right when they launched and this is the first bike I've kept for more than a year. Still very happy with it and would be hard-pressed to get a new bike unless I moved and needed a different type of bike
  • 8 0
 @iluvatar83: I agree about maintenance on the Switch Infinity. They need to make it easier and faster to do this maintenance. Love my SB150!!
  • 5 1
 Also feel the Enduro is still bang on. Interestingly… Looked at our local Specialized site today… Enduro frames are WAY cheaper than Stumpy Evo carbons. That just sounds wrong… probably means update soon…
  • 2 6
flag stiingya (Jan 17, 2022 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Hauck: With all the negativity on the SB100, 130, 150 it will be interesting to see what changes they make. I've looked at the 130 this year, but fall in that category of thinking it will be updated soon and don't want buyers regret! Smile (was close to doing an SB140 mullet but sure are a lot of mixed reviews...? I think it's harder with Yeti because there is so much love/hate it's hard to get a clear picture??)
  • 16 3
 In the process of building my SB150. I actually don't want anything longer or slacker, the SB150 is burly enough for all trails and anything more extreme would make it so much less usable in everyday life. Everybody who thinks they need more for EWS worthy trails should reassess their skills and attitude. I also don't get how most reviewers still bang on about slacker head angles... on the trailbike field test a 65° HA seemed absurd to most testers, but not everyone wants to ride a trailbike exactly like an enduro bike to get some bragging points.
  • 17 0
 I think Specialized needs to focus on the enduro's reliability first and foremost. It's a sick bike, but everyone I know is going through frames like crazy!
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: 100% agree
  • 20 1
 The best way to update an Enduro would be to cut the number of bearings… The older I get the more money I have for an SWorks Enduro and less willing to buy one because I am tired of changing more bearings than necessary and checking even more bolts for sitting tight. Small bearings are particularly annoying.
  • 24 3
 The biggest issue with the SB150 seems to be the chainstay being too short on the large size, causing people to size down to the medium because it feels significantly more balanced. So it would be good if they added size specific stays so that all the sizes ride as good as the medium.

Then the Enduro could really use a steeper STA and beefier headtube to prevent cracking (and while theyre at it they can add an adjustable headset like the SJ Evo).

They dont have to reinvent the wheel on them, but some minor updates to get them closer to perfect would be good.
  • 7 0
 @neologisticzand: I feel the same with my specialized enduro. I usually get a new bike every year but I don’t see myself getting rid of the enduro for the next couple years. Best bike I’ve ever had and I don’t think it needs updating either
  • 7 0
 @stiingya: I gave up trying to get a Transition Spur and ordered a Yeti SB130, it arrived last week. It is a 2022 model although the only change from the 2021 year is the change in colour ways and the rear shock is now a Fox Factory Float X. With the current supply issues I don't think they will update the SB130 until at least 2023.
  • 4 0
 @Thendeb: I recon that the enduro may get a steeper seat tube. Hard to imagine a better riding version though.
  • 1 1
 @JDFF: Yeah, Epic Evo with a SWAT box ticks a lot of good boxes. The Top Fuel kind of does it right now though if you want a Kirkland brand Evo
  • 1 0
 @singleandluvinit: Oh, that's a good point. I ride a size L sb130 and would love the ability to make the chainstay a little bit longer for a better balanced bike. Not even a real complaint, would just be a nice option to have.
  • 3 0
 @calmWAKI: If you see WAKI, could you ask him to redraw some of those excellent designs that he submit years ago. the inspiration and vision was up to something, The shapes and geometry was radical , i personally look at those bikes above in the pictures and found them a bit boring in a time where practical, functional and good looking can be achieved. Time to Polish some design .Agreed with the Enduro, still a great bike.
  • 3 0
 @singleandluvinit: Agreed on the Yeti. Its already got a 505 reach on the XL (480 on Large), size specific chainstays are about the only geo that could use the adjustment. 65 HTA could be tweaked perhaps but thats a 90$ fix with a wolftooth geoset and personal preference I guess for some.

This next set of bike geometry is going to be one of the more interesting ones simply because most manufacturers have hit or gone beyond the apex of longer, lower, slacker. Hell a Norco Sight trail bike from a few years ago was 63.5 and it was pretty damn long. I think they had size-specific chainstays too...so what angles end up changing on something like that now?? If anything it'll be a meniscal alteration for niche style of riding (kind of already is). I really think geometry should stabilize and bikes become somewhat specific for a style of riding from here out.
  • 4 0
 I wouldn't be surprised if Yeti implements the 160E suspension to their entire lineup.
  • 6 2
 @krazyjey: too many stupid jokes became serious reality.

If Spec made Status with Enduro geo, Swatbox and rear end travel…
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: doesn't sound like something wak attak would say
  • 2 0
 @makripper: it's the calm before the storm
  • 2 0
 @calmWAKI: they just need to lenghten the rear end, 426 is a joke on that bike
  • 3 3
 I don’t think the SB150 is getting an upgrade this year - well that’s what I was told when I bought mine in September. I think service issues are a bit overblown on the infinity link. Its very simple, It’s not that hard to get to the grease ports and just rotating the bearings every few rides keeps them good. Very impressed by ride quality (why would you need a 2 chain rig).
  • 2 0
 @mechatronicjf: I thought so too. They introduced it as an E-specific platform given the forces applied to it by the bike weight, but it could be.
  • 2 0
 @jzPV: Agree their long/steepSTA is probably fine for the majority of riders. But I could see the HTA going "slightly" slacker on the 150, maybe STA slightly steeper on the 130?(to better facilitate the LR?), size specific chain stays would be great, more rear tire clearance, in-frame storage? And you gotta wonder if the new E160 suspension design would be easier to keep laterally stiff? Can it be lighter? IDK?

(Note, I don't recall testers saying the trailbike HTA's were absurd? Maybe I missed it?? Wasn't the Element the only DC bike that made the impossible climb?)

I've no idea about the frame flex, but there are threads/blogs/posts dedicated to riders not liking how much lateral flex they got, or having issues keeping hardware tight, etc. So it does seem like something Yeti might look into??

OH I know, ADJUSTABLE frame FLEX... the next big thing!
  • 9 1
 The Specialized Enduro is in dire need of an updated frame - one that is more durable.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: @benpea there is @angrywaki
  • 3 0
 @calmWAKI: There have been a couple of things happening that could hint at Specialized planning to launch the "Status" name as a separate brand, with an entire line-up of more budget-oriented bikes.
  • 2 0
 @stiingya: that was exaggerated... but there were mentions (I remember with the Jibb) and my point is that a 150-170 mm bike with a 64° HA would be considered a little outdated in a recent review and I don't think a 63° HA makes a lot of sense on a bike with a single crown fork that should work well on lots of natural trails with awkward features and tight corners. Let's see how it pans out but there will be a point where it just won't be useful anymore.

Regarding the CS length on the SB150 - mine is large and I'm just below 6' with long legs. I'm curious to how it will work out but I'm not that sceptic. The length and suspension will make the bike stable and the chainstays may offer a bit of designed instability to throw the bike around easier if necessary. I'm also shit at manuals so that's a bonus point. Because of my long legs my weight will be more forward anyways so I don't think I will have issues weighting the front wheel. I also won't be running tons of spacers and my stem isn't that short with 42mm, which also helps with front end traction.
  • 2 0
 @MillerReid: That's what I think is holding Orange back...people are just waiting.
  • 1 0
 @Hauck:

I feel the same way about my Top Fuel. The newer model is of zero interest to me.
  • 2 1
 @calmWAKI: Welcome back WAK.
  • 1 0
 Didn't realize this until I built mine up but the Enduro frame is fairly heavy - even the S-works version with the carbon link is pushing 3500 grams without a shock. Kinematics are great but it's probably one of the heaviest carbon frames in its class. If they could lighten it up a little and add the adjustability of the Stumpy Evo it'd be a decent improvement over the current model.
  • 1 0
 @iluvatar83: Not having to partially remove the rear triangle to service the SI would be nice.
  • 1 0
 @Hauck: Totally agree with you
  • 2 2
 @Muscovir: cool. I am not looking at it from budget perspective though. Pure practicality. I wouldn’t mind if status came in Carbon edition. I just find it dreadful that bike can have more than four pivots. Clavicle is painful enough but it makes water bottle placement inside the front triangle possible.
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: Ironically most long travel Hardtails (140mm ish) are now coming with slacker head angles than they are suggesting for the trail bikes...
  • 1 0
 @mechatronicjf: Gotta keep the dentists coming back for more!
  • 8 1
 @SonofBovril: I share your sentiment to throw crap at more or less defined group called “kooks” but in the end virtually everyone deserves it. I have a hard time thinking of more pretentious crowd than Steel is real circles, who in fact tend to spend enormous amounts of cash on their pseudo minimalism. I just mean… let’s make sure we know what we accuse them of exactly. Overcomplication is present in every aspect of life. Being a son of a pedantic low/mid income engineer, I know it quite well how someone can call X people posers and then invest thousands in irrelevant crap.

Nobody has figured out life. Nobody figured out MTB and perfect setup. The best bike yet is not coming. The best bike out there for everybody has never existed and will never exist.

I wish people rode more with completely different people. Swinged around different peer groups. It would show them insignificance of their obsessions over details. The problem of Pinkbike like any other big outlet is that it puts together folks of so many backgrounds that our drive to consensus is working against us.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: As long as they keep sending me replacment frames I dont have a problem with them cracking
  • 2 0
 @calmWAKI: Just buy a Comp and wait for it to break to get your "free" S Works
  • 1 0
 @Noeserd:Thats what i like most about my Status, it just rides so playful almost like a BMX because of the short Chainstay (I ride a S3). But for the S4/5 Sizes it should have a longer CS
  • 4 1
 @RockCrawler: now imagine Status had a replaceable drop out and you could set the CS length to 450 if you wanted to ride DH on natural trails. 4bar linkage is one of the most flexible systems out there that Nicolai demonstrates. very well. You can use 2 different shocks, a flip chip/ 2 clavicles and get 2 bikes in one. You can literally have well working suspension and geo for range of travel between 140 and 180. 230 shock length should be the standard for any bike around 160mm of travel because it allows you to have 2-3 bikes in one. I don't like Nicolai for being so huge as I am more and more into jumping, but damn, on the whole - it is the smartest bike ever made IMHO.
  • 3 0
 @SonofBovril: that's only the static head angle. The dynamic head angle will be at least 1-2° steeper.
  • 1 0
 @RockCrawler: Yeah mb i was talking about the bigger sizes
  • 2 0
 @JDFF: It's not integrated and certainly not as sleek, but I still use my older-generation Epic external SWAT box on my 2021 Epic EVO and it works quite well! A poor man's substitution if you're interested in having your stuff stashed low on the frame.
  • 2 1
 The SB150 needs the geo fixed - chainstay is way too short for those long reach numbers. Rides like crap in the bigger sizes. Source: endurobrohs.
  • 3 1
 @iluvatar83: I have not serviced the switch on my SB 5.5 beyond basic cleaning over 4000 miles. It runs great, looks great...
  • 2 0
 @SchalkMarais: Just ordered my new Enduro , crazy excited
  • 1 0
 @DonB28: Nice !!
Enjoy. I am sticking to alloy frames for the time being…
  • 2 0
 @Thendeb: needs modern seat angle and fix for areas that crack.
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: It definitely needs a stronger frame to get rid of cracks!
  • 1 0
 @Thendeb: what’s cracking one the enduros? Me and my buddies are riding ours pretty aggressive and they’re holding up just fine. Im a pretty small dude though only 145
  • 1 0
 @Bshawh: Yeah I also have an enduro and would consider myself an aggressive ride too and I haven't cracked mine either. I know some bigger dudes have cracked them on the seat tube. Overall it is a strong frame, but it does have a few weaknesses. Since carbon frames are strong in general, I think it's just the design and possibly limited reinforcement in a certain area that has led to cracking.
  • 1 0
 @Bshawh: seatube area. They gave alot of raspberry frames out as replacements.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: lmao the status is a low end entry level bike. With each feature or adjustment ups the cost.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: featuring exchangeable drop out would increase cost by like 50$. I'd take it... and they already make 2 clavicles for it as well as possibility to install an angleset. One does not need to make it into orgy of CNC and welds like Nicolai. That's the point. I was very close to buy Commie Clash but lack of water bottle steered me towards Meta. Shitty CS length on both bikes, but I ride so little these days that why should I care. I just need a solid dependable bike. No bike at this moment ticks all of my boxes since budget is an issue, I am also aware that the list of desired features changes constantly - so I couldn't give a damn in the end. Just buy anything long travel with high potential of staying in one piece with no rattling.
  • 1 0
 @Bshawh: the places enduros are cracking are the seat tube - top tube junction, the front of the main frame - rocker top pivot where it says FSR, and the bearing seats in the head tube.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: are these catastrophic failures causing injury or cracks showing up upon inspection? Regardless of brand, I do crack frames after about 1-2 years of use (alloy or carbon, have done both). Of all brands in 25 years of riding, Specialized has been one of the best to deal with in frame replacement warranties. As long as it's not catastrophic failures causing injury, I'm good keeping on my 2020 Enduo frame until it's warranty time. (Fyi- I'm 165 lb, not big.) So back to original post, not buying a new frame for marginal gains. Where as in years past upgrading year to year provided measurable improvements year to year.
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: Everything breaks. Around 2003 when I started riding average DH frames would weigh a 1kg more than current DH bikes and they were cracking left and right. I remember when Giant went away from hole in the downtube they'd make ridiculously light alloy Reigns. And they were cracking left and right. German bikes around 2010, Canyon, Radon, Focus, Cube - crack fest. When it comes to established brands nobody can argue that things have not got better.

But the only people who could testify on failure rates would be folks at Warranty depts AND experienced bike mechanics who worked in the biz for many years. Report of the first group will never happen. Bike mechanics are not so keen on reporting either as they would face charges from bike companies.
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: these are cracks that would lead to catastrophic failure if left I think. The seat tube to top tube cracks are perhaps just paint cracks. The others are more serious from what I have seen.
Personally I would prefer an alloy one just for peace of mind. Also the cost savings are more significant than the performance deficit.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Spec has worse record with Alloy frames than with Carbon. Their alloy chainstays have been failing since I got into MTB. Longevity wise alloy is no bueno. Would never buy a 5yr old alloy frame if I knew it was ridden regularly. Particularly in sizes Large or bigger. But spec still has a decent record as far as I know. None of locals broke their E29 yet I think.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: I wouldn't buy any frame that's 5 years old (carbon or alloy).
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: I would buy a carbon frame of a model with good reputation from a seller who didn't ride it hard. Particularly because it won't cost much and can often be repaired. Like 2016 Enduro or Stumpy - no issues buying one and sending it in the park.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: I think an adjustable chainstay length would also be cool!
  • 62 1
 How... How did Giant bikes avoid this list? Don't get me wrong, I love them. But when you wanna talk about updating bikes for 2022. The Stance with its QR frame? The Trance with is 67 head tube and 73.5 seat tube? The Glory that apparently doesn't exist anymore? Plus almost all of those bikes could use some lookovers in the standover department.
  • 25 0
 C'mon, put on your tin foil hat... clearly they have a whole fleet of embargoed bikes from Giant in for testing
  • 2 0
 The 27.5 Trance got an update, it was in the field test. They seem content with the Stance being QR. And yes, the Glory pretty much doesn't exist anymore.
  • 11 0
 Giant Reign with more travel and newer geo please.
  • 2 0
 @Afterschoolsports: I'd check the latest model. The geo has been updated. Sadly, it seems like it is at the cost of having a proper 180mm 27.5 aluminum bike. Now they are all 29ers and there's more attention paid to the carbon models than alloy Frown

Giant's models are like a cruel zero sum game. Updated geometry? Now you can't run it in 650b and you have to pay ~5k for a carbon model with good parts. Yuck
  • 2 0
 @AvidTrailRider: Don't get me wrong. I'll absolutely have at that Trance, especially because it can be run as a sporty 650b trail bike and then slackened out with a 29 fork and wheel for DH/steeps. But I'd love for them to give the standover a quick lookover. And that Stance frame is wank. I get sad seeing the amount of Stances with the same amount in upgrades that were spent on the bike listed for secondhand sale. Yucky
  • 1 0
 @lepigpen: if you guys are talking about the new trance x 27.5 2022, its a beast - i took the punt and bought the x 1, sold the Fox perf elite for a 29er dvo that i change between 150/160 and change between 29/27.5 on the front. it climbs seriously well considering the big tyres with assegai/dhr2.

The Stand over is deceiving, i've owned alot of bikes in the last 2 years and this probably has the most stand over clearance.
  • 2 0
 @noideamtber: I'd love to give them a whirl. The appearance and numbers just don't look great. And my new bike feels like a BMX it's so nice for steeps and jumps to just get the saddle completely out of the way. Oddly enough despite being literally everywhere I don't see too many on the trail. I think Trances are the bike of choice for beginners. And they end up collectin dust in garages Frown
  • 1 0
 They make more money being an OEM for other brands than making their own. It makes sense that they stretch out the life cycles of their bikes.
  • 1 0
 @lepigpen: the new 27.5 trance x is super modern as far as numbers are concerned, giant didnt jump down the super long reach hole like many brands did that are now pulling those numbers back a bit.
my ONLY gripe with it is the low stack height, but i am using oneup 35mm rise bars and fit is perfect now.
  • 1 0
 @noideamtber: 27.5... Trance X?

Gonna have to send me a link. The X models are only available in 29 (here in the US at least). They only have base model in 27.5 and then the carbon version (basically mandatory if you want solid parts out the box). Even though the base trance is one of the better base specs still, i want it to be honest.

Also, another issue with the X models is the cheapest model comes with sram SX. They need to use Deore for the 2022 version. The SLX/Fox version looks awesome, but still a shame it's no longer in 27.5, after so many years of their incredibly successful aluminum fox/SLX model. I'm gonna pick one of those up.
  • 1 0
 @lepigpen: have a look at your PM, comes with 2022 perf elite 36, float x, 145 rear, 160 front, gx, code R, 200mm dropper in large(yay)
  • 3 0
 @noideamtber: Awesome bike. Just won't ever really be in my price range. (Aside from in 2025 when someone is reselling it for 3k or less lol)

Sad to see 27.5ers slowly fading away. I hope the mullet trend becomes more about a bike that can do both trend as opposed to outright mullet enduro/DH rigs. That's why I want to get an older Trance with fox slx and 27.5 wheels. Will probably feel nice n tidy on jumps and tight tracks, but is steep enough to take a 29 wheel and fork to become a mulleted all mountain rig.
  • 3 0
 Juice up the reign 29 to 160 rear or more and sign me up.

Basically have a cross platform glory/reign at this point that can be up to 200 for DH with longer stroke shock. f*ck it.
  • 2 2
 Seems like Giant mtbs never bounced back from their 27.5 debacle. They put all their eggs in one basket, but people wanted 29ers.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: Many 160 bikes perform like the Reigns rear end does at 148, alot of those frames also dont produce 160mm travel at all.
Reigns always feel like they have more travel when setup correctly but what they lack is balance f/r - they also climb like ass for whatever reason as its not the suspension platform.
Just remember Alot of EWS riders are on bikes with 150mm.

The maestro Platform actually works really well its just the rest of the design hasnt suited it, they've got it super close on the Trance X 27.5
  • 2 0
 @dthomp325: But yet they still sell More high end MTB's than any other brand.
  • 3 0
 @dthomp325: Yeah, Giant has kind of lost the plot, which is too bad since I appreciate their meat and potatoes eithos. But the geo is just wonky. Not in terms of head angle or whatever, but the seat tubes are too high, the gaps between sizes are huge (at least on the Reign), the component choices seem off. I hope they find their groove again. The new Reign E+ seems to be getting really positive reviews.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: take a look at the new trance x 27.5, they back on track now.
  • 4 0
 @noideamtber: it's an interesting model, but they don't even have it on the American site! And the seat tube on the large is still super high. But it is pretty cool, I hope they do well with it.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: I took a punt on it, the seat tube isnt too long for me, i have a 200mm+ dropper lifted out on any frame including this bike, if your sized correctly (unless have stumpy legs) 460 and less is fine.(based on large frame)
I have the New patrol with a super short post length and i have my 210 oneup lifted WAY out and it creaks because theres just not enough in the bike... might be ok for a short person.

Just like to point out that many people dont have their saddle height set correct ie they are too low.

im not trying to defend giant as they have shocking bikes like the 29er trance X, like why make it so close but then suddenly decide to mess everything by a little bit but pointing out the seat tube length argument isnt correct due to most not even setting saddle high enough in the first place.
  • 3 0
 @noideamtber: I want a reign with more travel. Slacken the HTA a bit and I'm back on giant. Maestro is great. my trance sx punched above its weight class. I love maestro. Glory was my favorite DH bike ever.
  • 2 0
 @makripper:I would buy anther reign if it mirrored the new Reign E+, i have the Ebike version and its an absolute monster
  • 1 0
 what about the Giant Reign that @henryquinny was "upgrading"
  • 1 0
 @noideamtber: glad it works for you. I must have some stumpy legs at 5'10" because anything over 455 is not great for me Smile But yeah I think the Trance X is pretty rad and builds on what made the original Trance so popular. Sizing is obviously a personal preference.
  • 2 0
 In a world where most brands full-suspension bikes start at $ 3k, the Stance could be a top seller at $ 2k. They would just need to give it a Boost rear end and slightly more modern angles and they would be golden. It's downright silly that they don't do it.
  • 2 0
 @Muscovir: yeah that stance is definitely a killer. Your right, it needs an update
  • 2 0
 The funny thing is how Orange didn't make it to that list.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: In their defense, the fact that they don't change things is basically part of their marketing at this point. Psuedo-vintage brand? The hipster craft beer frame of MTB?
  • 1 0
 @lepigpen: It was just a joke. I love Orange for being who they are!.But that doesn't mean I would buy their bike unfortunately. I applaud people who buy them. 100% honest.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: I think the bigger problem with the Stance is how much better the base Trance is. The stance 2 cuts a LOT of corners. For one of the better prices in the industry. The Stance 1 improves some things but you're still getting sram SX, the weakest brakes Shimano offers, and now their wonky in house fork apparently for 2200. Meanwhile the Trance is just under 2500 and doesn't cut a single corner. Fox shock, Bomber fork, 4 piston Shimanos, and 10-51 drivetrain. So sick. And of course a proper boost spacing frame.

So Giant would have to eat the cost of changing that frame and keep it the same price, otherwise people wouldn't buy the Stance. Meanwhile they sell them like hotcakes and people list them for sale in under a year. Sadly I just don't imagine them changing it due to the Trance models. And similarly, Giant will say things like 'we arent updating the Trance frame because people who want all mountain trail can use their enduro type Reign models'. Like they've actually said that to Pinkbike during a review lol. So that's how they think of things. It's a zero sum game in regards to model pricing.
  • 2 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: maybe Giant decided to put all their mtb r+d budget into ebikes. Makes sense from a business perspective, but would be nice to see them step up their game. I owned multiple 26” and 27.5” Giants, they were good bikes, but they’ve been behind ever since the transition to 29er for general use bikes.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: It is great in an industry that's getting more and more homogenized and personalities are dying as companies get bought out. Orange is like a cool group where if you see someone else on one you can instantly connect with your Orangeiness lol
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: Yep. I'm actually thinking of getting an older Trance specifically to mullet it out BUT the seat tube angle is gonna get RUINED. So... I'm not sure. That's why I wanna do it for cheap. But it looks like cheaper stock mullet options are gonna start coming out with normal geometry. I want a bike that can do both. Steeper jump ready 275er. And slacker mullet for bike park laps and DH/steeps.

I'm SUPER glad Giant still does 27.5, that wheel is dying with most other brands. Especially for 6 foot people and above Frown
  • 2 0
 @lepigpen: I think unfortunately you're right. I just would like to see things getting cheaper. Two of my friends for example are really stoked on riding mountainbikes, but are hesitant to get into the sport because they just don't want to drop $3k on a proper bike. $2k is a much more affordable price point for lots of younger people.
  • 2 0
 @lepigpen: I agree. That is the same reason why I like Pole. But I would never buy any of these. I am happy some folks like them and keep them in business
  • 56 0
 With most of these bikes we're really in the "marginal gains" category now. I think we're going to start to see what's happened with iPhones, where there's less and less reason to upgrade with each new model. And especially if "innovation" just starts to mean "extra electronic junk" then I'll be riding my current bike for a long time.
  • 20 0
 Yeah, looks like we're finally there, especially with enduro bikes. Which makes this a great time to buy a new bike - make a good purchasing decision now and you really can be all set for the years to come.
  • 7 1
 They need to start integrating cameras into the headtubes so they can just upgrade the megapixels and charge a hefty chunk of change for it!
  • 9 0
 Totally agree with marginal gains. From about 2010-2019 we got a lot of big changes. It made sense for me to use my pretty decent "buy low, ride for a year, sell" skills to get to the latest or almost-latest iteration. Since the pandemic has rendered the "buy low" part mostly inoperable and the gains really are very marginal, I've surprised myself by being content with what I have. Who knew??
  • 8 0
 @Marquis: I really agree with you: I found myself surprised that after saving up and putting money aside for a new bike purchase the lack of stock and not a whole lot of changes in recent years has left me actually quite content with riding what I have for a few years more. More than anything, I just do not feel there are the amazing bargains there were in days gone by, whilst parting with my cash is not going to result in a hugely different riding experience.

Will keep the money safe for if/when the bike explodes....
  • 8 0
 Totally agree on the point of diminishing returns. There's been very few bike releases of late that I would actually like to own rather than my current bike. Everything is becoming electrified or overly complex in other ways. Not what I want. On the other side, it would be totally fine if the industry had reached a point of stagnation. I'd like to see increased durability and lower prices much rather anyways than more electronic parts or other pseudo-innovative gimmicks. Bikes work absolutely fine as they are right now, but they are too expensive and not durable enough.
  • 4 0
 You're right. We probably need the massive gains that will come from a new axle standard.
  • 2 0
 I agree as well. I see new bikes out there, but I'm happy with the quiver of three mtn bikes I currently own. The oldest is a 2019 model and replacing it won't make me any faster or a better rider.
  • 1 0
 Gearbox being standard is the next big thing. Once one of the 2 big S’s get into it. There was talk of a Shimano gearbox patent doing the rounds, if that becomes a reality hopefully we’ll see the drive needed to push gearbox development to where it needs to be. Cue industry wide redesigns ala 29er years ago…
  • 34 5
 Pushing manufacturers to update bikes that have nothing wrong with them just increases costs to the consumer. Means they get less value from the engineering and tooling for each model. Piss off. You just want new bikes to review. Porsche 911 went nearly unchanged for 15 years from 1975-1989
  • 32 0
 What about the canyon strive? That could use a redo.
  • 2 0
 Yes, looking forward to that!
  • 6 0
 @memgard: Moirs comments seem to heavily suggest exactly that
  • 6 7
 They have Specral and Torque, they really don't need the Strive.
  • 3 0
 strive will be updated coming spring.
  • 6 0
 @lkubica: Spectral - Trail Bike, Torque - Big Enduro, park bike. Strive - Enduro Race bike.


It's needed.
  • 1 0
 @Lemitrails: based on??
  • 2 0
 @NicolaZesty314: are you happy? They'll upgrade your nickname bike!

And also the Strive because is an old dog with old geo anche the competitors are years forward..
  • 1 0
 It must be right around the corner. I've seen the test mule last fall.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: Who was riding it and where?
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: Where about's did he comment on it? (link please) In a recent video someone asked in the comments and his reply was a 'don't know' emoji.
  • 1 0
 @exhibit-d: He's just suggesting but the most recent comments were during his ask me anything
  • 1 0
 @NicolaZesty314: precisely it will be updated in march. expensive models will be released a bit earlier
  • 26 0
 Honestly, I think longer product cycles would benefit the sport. Bikes are so good now anyways.
  • 18 0
 In recent years, I've been reading that the more recent bikes have their geometry dialed. People aren't necessarily looking for "more lower/slacker/progressive/yo". Which means that brands can stop releasing new bikes for a while. Instead, people do seem to be looking to have their backorder internetbike delivered or maybe a warranty case sorted.
  • 18 1
 Rocky Mountain Slayer is on year 3. I can't wait to see what they come up with for the next one.
  • 1 1
 Also, they just updated the Element, but they left a gap in the 100mm XC discipline. I wonder what they come up with for that gap.
  • 1 0
 Especially considering the controversy around its launch, then the Altitude coming out and being very similar, aside from being a degree steeper or so.
  • 3 0
 @BigMulaCeazy: I have both an Altitude and a Slayer and I can assure you they are very different bikes even if the geo seems similar.
  • 14 1
 The Yeti SB115 could use a geo update. They only changed the linkage to get the travel. The reach and head/seat angles need a update. The 130/150 are perfect they way they are.
  • 9 0
 It needed a geo update when it was released
  • 4 0
 I can see quality of life updates for SB130/SB150 like captured cable entry and exit points, UDH derailleur hanger and if possible a yeti version of SWAT box underneath the DT. More like my wishlist tho…
  • 4 0
 Indeed. Also I feel the reach on the 115 is really short.
  • 2 3
 Meh-150 could use a little more travel.

I get that it’s a keeping up with the Jones’s situation, but as a purebred enduro race bike, an extra 15mm or so of travel would be awesome.
  • 2 0
 @Elkulp: ...threaded BB, 3M clear protective wrap on the downtube, seatstays, and chainstays. The rubber BB/downtube protector needs better coverage. Chainstay lengths are all short at 433mm. Size XL & Small should not have the same lengths. The price needs a reality check since none of these things are included on a $4,200/$4,700 frame.
  • 4 0
 @wyorider: Yeti makes a SB165
  • 12 1
 this whole article reads like racing is the only reason for bikes. Bikes are fast enough, you can race them just fine now. I think the future is more versatile bikes like slopestyle trail bikes and affordable bikes that can handle consecutive seasons in a bike park without falling apart and ending up in a landfill
  • 14 1
 Recipe for this article:

* List a bunch of bike manufacturers.
* Pick a bike or 2 from each
* Look up their geos/specs
* Pick a spec and claim it's no good anymore
* Done
  • 14 1
 Updating for the sake of updating??
  • 34 0
 You must be new to mountain biking.
  • 2 3
 @ReformedRoadie:
Gold comment
  • 6 0
 Vitus has notified customers of an update to the Escarpe early this year. It's more than a paint+spec update but I'm not sure what they're doing since it received a completely new frame in late 2020.

I can't believe the Canyon Strive didn't make the list, it's more ready for a complete overhaul than anything.
  • 7 0
 The trail fuel ex is also very much due for an update, specially with the top fuel having more progressive geometry these days
  • 2 0
 Cant wait to see new fuel ex, I guess it willl be great.
  • 1 0
 Guessing the 27.5 Remedy is going the way of the dodo bird, and Trek will either bump the Fuel EX up in travel slightly to take over the "mid travel Trail" category, or release the Remedy as a 29 Mid-Travel / Enduro bike.

Large gap in travel between the FEX and Slash, and the Top Fuel has a lot more travel now that it's a "downcountry bike" instead of an XC racer.
  • 7 0
 Oh please, Santa Cruz, just update the Megatower already and take my f*cking money. ...I'm being 50/50 serious and sarcastic.
  • 3 0
 It's reasonable to expect a Hightower, Megatower and Tallboy trifecta of updates in 2022. Santa Cruz updates about every 3 years, and all three of those were last updated in 2019.
  • 4 1
 Joke's on you, because the new Megatower drops next week as far as I know. The e-mail announcement to the dealerships went out a couple of days ago.
  • 4 1
 50 50? Try 50 10.
  • 2 1
 What needs updating on the mega? Or are we thinking it'll be a stickers/paint/swoopy-tubes kind of update?
  • 5 1
 Mega tower needs combination wheel size (mullet) so that it finally will be like KFC's Mega Tower Combo. Make it white with red stripes. Available in regular and large sizes with your choice of drink.
  • 3 0
 @Linc: swatish storage
  • 1 2
 @bmx-background: Yeah okay. That falls into the stickers/paint category.
  • 2 1
 @Linc: Probably travel. 160mm is a little low in the travel dept compared to the competition. I say this as an owner of a Megatower and I've never felt the bike lacking in travel. If I did, I'd lean more towards buying a Cascade Components LT link and a new shock, which would probably cost less than a new bike.
  • 2 2
 @Linc: Nothing needs updating on the megatower, I told the shop I bought mine from that santa cruz shot themselves in the foot for a fair few years with that one. Sticker change and a new paint job maybe?
  • 3 0
 Done!
  • 5 0
 How about we just get some, any 2022 frames, updated or not. Sad state when some of the highest frame companies haven't even released any 2022 frames, other then ebikes and $10,000 Enduro machines. Hell, at this point I'd take an new "outdated" frame.
  • 2 0
 I'm just fine with sending off the annual update cycle and upgrading for the sake of upgrading.
  • 1 1
 By saving on tooling costs by not releasing a new model, you’d think they could invest in a ramped up production volume and meet demand.
  • 9 0
 TR11, which might then get a new name.
  • 9 1
 There is no need to update the Tallboy, it's in its absolute perfect form at the moment.
  • 3 3
 sta could be a tad steeper.
  • 1 0
 Great bike. But I can see where a few refinements could be made without making a drastically different bike. And I'd venture to guess that nearly their entire line will see some form of update.
  • 4 2
 I think so too. The Tallboy (together with the Norco Optic) is basically the most capable and versatile short travel bike currently on the market. The competition hasn't even really caught up. There's no reason to update it just yet.
  • 2 0
 Like half my riding buddies have just gotten Tallboys and can't stop raving about it.
  • 2 0
 Same with the Megatower
  • 8 0
 The only thing needed to be updated is the price
  • 6 0
 Dont worry! Prices will be updated (increased)
  • 1 0
 Honestly that's got to be a real motivation for updating models. They can jack the price without anybody complaining, cause who cares if it's got NX... It's new!
  • 9 3
 There's something simple about being an XXL person. You can count on none of these companies offering you anything meaningful and when they do it's half-assed.
  • 5 0
 The stumpy comes in XXL - is that not a good one? I’m not a fan, but some of the SC offerings come XXL too don’t they?
  • 6 1
 @Vlad-Putin: The SC ones are still kind of on the small side plus combined with the slackish seat tube angles and shortish rear ends. The Stumpy EVO is about the only good option. Geometron-Nicolai exists so I guess there's no reason for bigger brands to bother.
  • 1 0
 @alexsin: The Megatower and Evo are the same size. The Evo reach is 10mm longer, the Megatower stack is 10mm higher. The Megatower chainstay in the long position is 3mm shorter. I'd cut SC some slack given that their 29ers are at the end of the model cycle and about to be updated. Hopefully, they get even bigger...cause I'm thinking about downsizing my Tallboy to an XL.
  • 3 0
 @alexsin: what’s a bike brands motivation to invest in tooling and manufacturing for a bike that fits 1% of the population? It sucks but it’s not economical for them to mass produce bikes for really tall people. Really short adults get lucky because there is a burgeoning industry for nice kids bikes.
  • 2 0
 YT, SC, Specialized, and Trek (aluminum models) make XXL frames. I’m sure I’m missing a bunch of other brands as well.
  • 1 1
 @topherdagopher: A lot more XXL bike sell than you'd think.

A lot of them are good for people down to 6'1-6'2.

And beyond that, if you're talking about steel or aluminum it's just a matter or cutting the tubes a few mm longer. It's the carbon bikes that are the larger investment.

There's some big people out there riding bikes. Hell, Santa Cruz built a bike for Reggie Miller.
  • 1 0
 @onemanarmy: Reggie is on an XXL Tallboy (non custom).
  • 1 1
 @generictrailrider: I'm aware. That was my point.
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: in what world would an XXL bike work for someone 6’1”-6’2”?
  • 1 1
 @TheSlayer99:

My brain was thinking XL to be perfectly honest.

But XXL... Suppose some folks might like it.

Specialized S5's are just fine for riders that are that tall but I suppose that's more like an XL.5. Not a traditional XXL. GG's Size 4 another bike in that fitment and I think they go down to 6'2 or 6'3.

Either way... point was that there's people out there looking for XL/XXL bikes. Some big ass people in this world. LOL!
  • 4 0
 Transition Smuggler with 135 mm in the rear and option to run 140 or 150 mm fork. With the speed and pedal performance of the Spur matched with some burlier build from the Sentinel. Oh, how I can't wait. My 2018 Smuggler is entering it's fifth season now. It still works great but it starts to get time to get something new and even though a Propain Hugene certainly will do the work it would be a lot funnier on a Smuggler...
  • 1 0
 I updated even though I think the Smuggler is good and dead.
  • 6 0
 Spesh and SC should make every model available in alloy and carbon and call it the day
  • 5 0
 I'm still really pumped on my Enduro. That being said, if they added the extra adjustments from the current Stumpy Evo I reckon few would complain.
  • 1 0
 Probably what they will do given that the kenovo sl has them.
  • 3 0
 Bikes updated in 2022......to be delivered in late 2023 to early 2024......so that they're.....wait for it.......outdated......again.

Whatever. Just keep what ya got. The industry is always trying to sell you the "new and improved!" widget.
  • 4 0
 So we an't get bike parts, can't get bikes due supply chain issues but you expect manufacturers to update their bikes? I'm not holding my breath!
  • 2 1
 But imagine how awesome the new steep STA will look hanging on the wall!
  • 6 0
 Didnt Yeti update the SB100 to the SB115 in 2021?
  • 3 0
 Yes
  • 7 0
 wouldn't call it an update. Shock overstroked to 115. The rest is a SB100. They haven't sold a ton of them so why not get the bike more capable and more "down-country-ready! and call it the SB115. Sweet bike though!
  • 2 0
 @DoctorWatson: Fork spec’s went up to a 130. I am still hoping that cascade components will make a shock link for the SB100. Got one for my SB130 already and works well.
  • 5 0
 Add in frame storage: deploy update
Update garbage geometry: deploy update
Now comes with a hat: deploy update
  • 5 0
 Ibis Mojo Hd 5 is off there website as well. Is a new USA laid -up in the works? Or are they bailing on 27.5?
  • 2 0
 I was kind of bummed when they quietly took it off the site. HD5 was likely going to be my next frame build at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the next iteration is a mullet. Lopes has been testing a mullet setup on his HD5.
  • 6 2
 How about Esker Elkat? I feel like the Orion platform deserves a proper showcase. Something like a 160mm 29er, with modern geo and aggressive intentions.
  • 6 0
 Banshee Darkside!! That thing hasnt changed in a decade.
  • 6 0
 Transition Smuggler.
  • 5 1
 Who cares if they update these bikes? You'll have to wait until mid-2023 to get one anyway.
  • 6 1
 Yeti ALLOY, please. Loved your bike, hated the cracks.
  • 2 1
 Giant Reign and Glory. Pros have been riding a Glory 29 for at least one season. Reign is now outgunned as an enduro race bike. PinkBike may even have the info on these models, but no press outlet dares break an embargo issued by the big G.
  • 5 0
 If covid pricing counts, they’ve all been updated this year already.
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 Or keep them as they are and make bikes cheaper again. Besides that I know for a fact the GT sensor is going to be updated, because I wanted one, and have been told to wait for the release of the new one, by the marketing department themselves.
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 1 Podcast That Could Be Updated in 2022
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 Right?! They can't all still be on holiday...
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 Trails haven't changed. Riders haven't changed. Only reason the bikes "need to change" is to keep people spending their money. Not that tech evolution is a bad thing, but so much of the changes are minor tweaks to geo, NOT tech improvements that fundamentally change the bikes. Introduction of reliable carbon fiber, disc brakes, modern suspension, and bigger wheels that were still light and strong have evolved the sport. Tweaking HTA and STA, and extending the knuckle on the front triangle to work in a water bottle cage are not big moves.
  • 4 1
 Kona's Process 153, they stopped the carbon version last year so expecting a revamped premium 153 from them soon.
  • 6 1
 I think that ship has sailed. That bike is somewhat archaic and the processX is pretty much the natural progression of the 153.
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 @nskerb: Yes! There is something coming ..... Operator is retired ...... the X will take over! Thats all i can say - will be a sweet bike
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 @nskerb: A new Process falling in-between the 134 and the 170 travel models and with a 36mm fork would be nice.
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 There is SOMETHING coming from Kona very soon, but I can already tell you that it's not a new Process 153. I don't think it needs an update anyways. I've recently ridden the revamped alloy-model 153 and I really liked it. Very lively, playful bike. Probably an absolute riot in the bike park.
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 Man, the Process 153 is such a great bike. I'd like to see a carbon version with a slightly slacker HTA but it's also an amazing bike as-is.
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 @Muscovir: Glad to hear it, I have a 2020 process 153 cr and agree it does not need any changing, its a strong all rounder. Excited to see what Kona will offer! Will it be high pivot though??...
  • 3 1
 Specialized, don't need change anything, just to made more frames, to poor boys like me that's waiting for months by the guarantee receive your frames Frown
  • 4 0
 Isn't the Fuel EX ready for an update?
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 At the budget end, I'd like to see a new aluminium XC hard tail from Trek. They updated the Roscoe last year so so surely the X-Caliber is next?
  • 1 0
 How about the Quest bikes in the banner ad. Is Pinkbike going to review them in coming year? I wouldn't mind hearing some feedback on the ride characteristics of this Atlantic Canadian offering.
  • 1 0
 Ok, here's a leftfield one- Jamis Hardline. The 3VO suspension is supposedly the real deal, and they stuck it on a "headliner enduro rig" that was already outdated in 2019. Hope they've got something in the works.
  • 2 0
 It would be great to see new bikes.
Even more if we exit this pandemy, and bike brands remove their "Covid additional cost" that they imputed on every single bike Smile
  • 1 0
 Just ordered an Enduro... dream build.
Are we destined to meet an end like Bobby and Whitney ?
Or is all this crack talk just part of the war on specialized?
  • 2 0
 Maybe also the Norco Aurum, since Norco's Enduro bike(Range) has gotten more aggressive than their DH bike.
  • 2 0
 Currently the norco dj team races on Ranges with a different linkage.
  • 3 0
 Niner RKT9 RDO Pivot Mach 4 sl
  • 1 0
 As someone who just bought a '22 Remedy, I'll be a little sad if it gets updated "tomorrow" - but that's normally how things go!!
  • 3 0
 why change some thing if it works send it
  • 4 1
 Heard the Remedy, in its current guise at least, has been discontinued
  • 1 1
 I inquired about a frame at a local Trek dealer and got the impression Trek was done with 27.5 altogether.
  • 2 2
 Heard this as well. My opinion - the Fuel will likely move to a 140/150 chassis since the Top Fuel has moved into it's territory. This opens the door for the Remedy to be designed as a dedicated mullet bike.
  • 1 1
 Yup, the Remedy is getting canned.
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 Canyon Lux boyz
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 They'd better not update the Cannondale Habit. That's my favourite bike ever.
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 What makes it so good?
  • 1 1
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: it doesn't have turbo-modern geo, so it's actually a riot to ride!
  • 2 0
 The launch of the carbon version of the Transition Patrol would be a cool thing for 2022.
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 Just give me my 130/140 Smuggler!
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 I'm guessing the Remedy is just going to get cut. I work at a Trek store. We have a Remedy 8 and a Slash 8. Slash gets picked every time. In my area, I don't see anyone suddenly flipping to Remedy with a mullet set-up either. I think it's time for it to die. 27.5+ was a fad. Trek guessed wrong.
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 It's funny because I don't see a ton of them, but recently rode with a couple people on Remedies who were absolutely ripping!
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 you take that back! Lot of park bros love the 27.5 Remedy platform. Its the do-it-all play bike for us that don't care about racing enduro or blasting thru everything. If Trek cuts it I will be so upset.
  • 1 0
 @yoimaninja: Glad to hear someone likes it. I'm in the southeast. We just don't have lots of downhill. I'd have to drive 6 hours to Windrock or even further to Kanuga or Snowshoe. My parents both ride 27.5+ and it is very fun, it just isn't very fast. So if you're a fast is fun guy then there's a tradeoff. Let's put it this way, a slash gets back to the top of the hill for more fun a lot sooner.
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 @Bikesbecauserunningsucks: I actually have the last gen 27.5 Slash and I love it. The new Slash looks badass too I'm just not sold on 29ers. Its also worth noting I'm a shorter guy. I had a 29 and didnt like it. It absolutely felt less "playful" and worse in the turns.

I'm also just not onboard with all these high-travel enduro sleds. The 90% of us dont need or will ever fully use the potential of a 180mm Fox 38/Zeb and coil shocks for our daily drivers. To me that sounds like a park bike also. How well are they really getting back up to the top of the hill or pedaling for half to full day all mountain rides? That said, the short travel 130mm travel bikes aren't always enough either for when your local trails have some gnarlier lines and hits. That's why I'm a big fan of the mid 150-160 travel bikes but they seems to be dying out too. To me those are the true do-it-all bikes.
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 @yoimaninja: The current Remedy should do the trick. Also check out Esker Elkat and Jamis Hardline- both are 27.5 bikes with 150 rear travel.
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 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Nice never heard of either till now, I dig that Elkat. I've also really been eyeing up the Transition Scout or Norco Sight as my next bike. Been sold out tho forever.
  • 2 0
 @yoimaninja: lol, I'm a sucker for esoteric brands Smile The scout and SC 5010 should be in your wheelhouse as well.
  • 2 0
 Pivot switchblade has same geometry as the trail 429. It'll probably be updated soon
  • 4 1
 no more mullet bullshit please
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 You never buy a Pivot expecting updated geometry but something that was relevant three years ago.
  • 2 0
 Yes, give the SB150 another 50mm more travel a a farrrrken stupid slack head angle.
  • 2 0
 Hope these guys who update their bikes turns around and sells their "old" bike for super cheap! I will be on standby.
  • 1 0
 The Enduro definitely has to be updated in terms of durability. It‘s just shocking to see how many frames are cracking in the space around the headset and rocker.
  • 2 0
 Good to see Lapierre getting a bit of press. Would love to see a Zesty or a Spicy on a field test!
  • 3 0
 Strive!
  • 2 0
 Turner RFX, where are you?
  • 3 0
 No please
  • 9 0
 let me finish that sentence for you:
no please... I already spent too much money on bike, I cant take another mortgage.
  • 2 0
 I love my tallboy V4 as is. I'm curious to see what changes they make...
  • 11 0
 I love mine as well, but sometimes I think it is too close to the Hightower in purpose and design, and too far from the Blur. I would be interested in an update that shifted it a bit toward the downcountry end of the spectrum, an equal step between the Blur TR and the Hightower. That's just me, though. I mean not so much in reducing travel but in a lighter weight, quicker handling, better climbing frame build and component spec. So like a Transition Spur, essentially.
  • 4 0
 Let's hope the designers put it on a diet.
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 @dcaf: that would be interesting… sort of what they did with the stump jumper. Maybe they bring the flex stay to the tall boy. Keep the geo
  • 1 0
 @dcaf: or like the Tallboy 3
  • 2 0
 @dcaf: I second that motion - a TB5 with the CC X0 coming in around 26 lbs, not the current 29 ish. Sort of like an upgraded TB3.
  • 3 0
 Giant Reign?
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 Agreed but it was actually just updated. The 2021/2022 model has a functioning seat tube angle, longer reach, etc. Sadly it seemed to be at the cost of any 27.5 and aluminum versions.
  • 1 1
 In-frame storage, mullet compatibility,..
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 @lepigpen: Reign hasn’t updated in a few seasons, lacks a M/L size and is undergunned for an enduro bike.

And no in-frame storage.
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 @wyorider: Undergunned for sure. Definitely behind proper enduro bikes. But the geo was updated recently. Giant acting like fixing the seat tube was the equivalent of carrying the ring to Mordor... Didn't seem to do much else aside from get rid of 27.5 models and a few alloy specs (rolls eyes)

I'd still absolutely have at that thing as an all mountain bike, for sure, but I'd probably just get a Trance and mullet the front end instead.
  • 1 0
 Hot damn this is some new, it might be news at some point, content from outside+.
  • 1 0
 All have been updated. The big change is the addition of a motor and battery. Intense included here.
  • 1 0
 I would prefer longer update cycles. 3-4 years is pretty wasteful for everyone involed.
  • 1 0
 Try 2 years. If they're waiting 4 years they're off the back.
  • 1 0
 Seeing as how new Enduro colors just came out I wouldn't hold my breath for any new Enduro's
  • 2 0
 1/2 degree slacker. 10mm longer. Next.
Super boost for shits and giggles.
  • 2 0
 Where's the Grim Donut V3?
  • 1 0
 Not that the bike isn't still veeeery fast, but I think we'll be seeing a new strive soon.
  • 1 0
 GT should re-launch the RUCKUS line this time for hardtail enduro (27'5), I don't like the Zaskar LT...
  • 2 0
 Mid-travel bikes, with 27.5" wheels, FTW!
  • 2 0
 * Niner's entire lineup has entered the chat.
  • 1 0
 how about my 2015 Giant Glory? just checked, geo for 2022 is EXACTLY the same.
  • 1 0
 I've heard that the Remedy is dead beyond 2021.
  • 1 0
 Waiting for my wallet update :/
  • 1 0
 Please @konabikes give us the new operator 2023 !!
  • 1 0
 Joining on the jeffsy train here. Frames been unchanged since 18'
  • 2 1
 I wonder why the Ibis Ripley isn't on this list..
  • 1 0
 Do you think it's getting a update?
  • 8 1
 (grabs a rubber mallet and begins straightening all the tubing) "i think i fixed it"
  • 2 0
 @rsmisko: they did it on the alloy version so...
  • 2 1
 Was going to say the same thing… probably won’t be much surprise when they do. Look at the AF, subtract 1.5 pounds.
  • 1 0
 @rsmisko: I heard a rumor they aren’t. Which makes no sense to me but idk. Be dumb if they didn’t I’d think the Ripley is the bread and butter for ibis.
  • 2 0
 @MillerReid: Yeah I'm trying to decide between the Ripley and Ripmo. Need 2 bikes but can only afford one
  • 4 0
 @rsmisko: I've had both, Ripmo all the way unless you are riding mellower trails. My carbon V2 Ripmo is reasonably light, is an insane climber and can handle just about anything I can find on the downs.
  • 3 0
 If you need 2 but but can only get 1, i'd get the bigger one. The Ripmo still pedals well but there's a big difference between a 38/x2 and a 34/dpx.
you should demo the Ripley and take it down the gnarliest stuff you ride and see if you're happy with it
  • 1 0
 @DCF: thanks for the insight. No demo in my area. I feel like the 38 is overkill for me would like the option of 36
  • 1 0
 No problem. I went from a lyrik rc2 which I loved, to the 38. I don't feel any negatives to the bigger fork but I'm 95kg and pretty aggressive. Also lots of people and maybe Even the shop will gladly swap a 38 for their 36 if it's a weight saving issue
  • 3 2
 150 29er trek remedy.. come on trek let's do this!!
  • 3 0
 Basically a 2020 Slash with steeper STA and slacker HTA. Fun bike, but definitely needed a better dropper insertion depth. Oh, and internal frame storage ofc.
  • 4 0
 The Fuel will likely move to a 140/150 chassis filling that mid travel trail category. The Remedy should be offered with the same travel (150/160) as a dedicated mullet bike. This would give Trek a really complete MTB lineup.
  • 2 1
 I guess Intense is perfect! I would agree.
  • 2 0
 The sniper needs an update badly. 73 degrees on the sniper t is such a bummer
  • 1 0
 @Mkrol: I really like mine, but completely agree. Would also love a linkage that allowed for more shock options.
  • 1 0
 @Mkrol: Everything in Intense's line-up needs an update...
  • 2 0
 I'm surprised the new Tracer wasn't on the list, especially as released info on the prototype 279 last summer.
  • 2 0
 Jeffsy
  • 2 2
 Can't improve on perfection!
  • 1 0
 Pretty dialed. Maybe adj headset and an optional mullet link. Slightly longer reach across range.
  • 2 0
 Jeffsy?
  • 1 0
 So many bikes way behind on steep seat tubes(79° min)
  • 2 0
 Go Super-boost hahaha
  • 1 0
 I ride a 2016 Lapierre Zesty. Could probably do with an update.
  • 1 0
 What about the strive about time I think
  • 1 0
 New bike coming in march
  • 1 0
 That RN-01 could be a bit longer&slacker&available.
  • 1 0
 Giant rightly does not appear on the list Cool
  • 1 0
 All the garbage, Canyon puts out, desperately needs an update!
  • 1 0
 You forgot all the YT bikes need an update....
  • 1 0
 GT Sensor! Looking forward to an update - been same bike since 2019.
  • 3 2
 Hope to see more mullets
  • 1 0
 Thwle way to go is like spesh with the extra mullet link available. Adj geo
  • 1 1
 I'd like to see an update for the use of "mullet".
  • 1 0
 trek fuel EX my2023
  • 1 0
 mm
  • 2 3
 Could have put every bike from Kona on this list Sans sthe Process X
  • 2 5
 Mixed wheel Remedy please
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 I still love my remedy even if it’s time for an update. Will there be anything of the old remedy in the new bike? It seems the new mixed wheel remedy will have as much in common with its predecessor as the new Top Fuel has with the old race bike. Is fun 27.5 going through an extinction level event?
  • 1 0
 you can do it pretty easily to the current one.
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 @blackercanyons: True....just wonder if the geo will be off if it wasn't designed for it.
  • 1 0
 @Chadwick72: it makes the HTA one degree slacker. considering that it's pretty steep by current standards, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. there's plenty of info on in in the remedy thread here.
  • 1 0
 @blackercanyons: Cool...I'll check it out
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