Value Field Test: Salsa Timberjack XT 29 - The Jack of All Trades

Apr 5, 2022 at 13:06
by Alicia Leggett  



PINKBIKE FIELD TEST

Salsa Timberjack XT 29



Words by Alicia Leggett; photography by Tom Richards

While the five full-suspension bikes on test play the game of trying to budget decent rear suspension and everything that comes along with that into a sub-$3k package, the hardtails take a different tactic: keeping things simple and doing fewer things, but aiming to do those things really, really well.

The Timberjack XT 29 is Salsa's workhorse trail hardtail, which Salsa says "just might be the best hardtail 29er for the playful types out there." The modern geometry aims to balance playfulness and handling on the descents with a centered climbing position, with a 66.4° head angle and adjustable chainstays to try to check all the fun, versatile, and efficient boxes.

The Salsa Timberjack XT 29 is the most expensive of the four hardtails in the Value Bike Field Test, coming in at $2,099 USD. For that price, the Timberjack gets a Shimano XT / SLX drivetrain combo, with mostly XT parts but an SLX cassette and chain. It also sports a RockShox 35 Gold 130mm fork, Shimano MT-501 brakes, Maxxis Minion DHF and Rekon 29" x 2.6" tires, and a TranzX adjustable travel dropper post.

The Timberjack is also available in SLX, GX Eagle, and singlespeed configurations with either 29" or 27.5"+ wheels, with prices ranging from $1,699 to $2,499 for complete bikes and a frame-only option for $699. There's also a Ti frame for $3,199, but I'm moving on from talking about that because Ti anything is far outside the scope of this Value Bike Field Test.

Salsa Timberjack XT 29 Details

• Travel: 130mm fork
• Aluminum frame
• Wheel size: 29"
• Head angle: 66.4°
• Seat tube angle: 75.1°
• Reach: 453.6 mm (M)
• Chainstay length: 420 - 437 mm
• Sizes: S, M (tested), L, XL
• Weight: 30.6 lb / 13.9 kg
• Price: $2,099 USD
salsacycles.com

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Before we dive into the geometry and ride characteristics, the frame itself has some notable features. There's no need to worry about going thirsty - or hungry or cold - on the Timberjack, as there are two bottle spots in the main triangle on sizes S - XL (there's just one on the XS size), plus an accessory mount on the underside of the downtube, a bag mount on the top tube, and rear rack mounts for carrying all kinds of gear.

The bike also uses Salsa's clever Alternator 2.0 swinging dropout design, which allows for 17mm of chainstay length adjustment to dial in the ride feel. The cables are tucked away neatly inside the aluminum frame, which oddly enough, was lighter than expected, with our complete bike weighing in at 30.6 lbs - more than a pound lighter than the claimed 31.9 lbs for size medium. That weight puts it pretty squarely in the middle of the weight range compared with the other hardtails we tested.

As for the geometry, the headtube is 66.4°, which would have been on the aggressive side in years past but now sits nicely in the "modern but not overkill" zone. The chainstays, at 420mm to 437mm, range from lively to middle-of-the-road. Sizing is a tad on the longer side, so rather than our standard large frame, we tested a medium that had a 453.6 mm reach.




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Climbing

The Timberjack doesn't set out with climbing efficiency as its primary goal. Instead, it's designed as an all-around play and adventure bike, with climbing as just one part of the full experience.

The bike may not have quite the same snappy energy as a more XC-oriented bike like the Marin Team Marin 1 that we tested, but it nonetheless felt jaunty enough when pedaling, both seated and out of the saddle. The 75.1-degree seat tube angle made for a balanced climbing position over the bike and even with the chainstays in their shortest (420mm) setting, the rear end always felt plenty substantial and I never noticed the front end lifting or feeling hard to rein in.

With reasonable expectations set - that the Timberjack should be a bikepacking, high alpine adventure, or playful trail bike - it's a solid performer that lives up to what it sets out to do. It's not featherlight and doesn't have that aggressive feel that makes you want to sprint up the hill, but it gets the job done and makes it easy to enjoy the ride. And enjoy the ride I did, since - out of all the bikes, hardtail and full suspension - the Timberjack is the bike I most often wanted to grab as I headed out the door.

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Descending

My initial impression when I hopped on the Timberjack, right after arriving in the Tucson desert, was along the lines of "right, this is what mountain biking is supposed to be." Riding a hardtail - one that isn't designed for XC racing - feels goofy, low-stakes, and fun. It's a tool for just playing around, and I loved it.

While most definitely a hardtail, the Timberjack feels aggressive enough to take on some technical downhill riding and doesn't feel held back by its lack of squish on small jumps and drops or chattery, open sections of trail. The short chainstays made it feel agile, lively, and just plain fun, but since that short rear end didn't make the bike ultra-stable, it was also nice to have the chainstay adjustability to change the bike's personality if I so chose.

The Timberjack isn't as purpose-built as a bike like the Commencal Meta HT we tested, which seems more skewed toward descending but feels less at-home when it isn't pointed down something gnarly. While the Timberjack is a pleasant descender (and even the fastest in the timed testing), it feels equally ready to pedal just about anywhere you'd want to take a hardtail.

Timed Testing


Our timed testing course for the hardtails started with a climb of about 2.5 minutes that included a few switchbacks, a mix of smooth and rocky moments, and more than enough cactus. The timed descent started with a stair-stepping tech section that felt a bit [read: extremely] rough on the hardtails before dropping into a choppy, straight, low-grade section that made it tough to carry speed. It smoothed out as it dropped down to a creekbed and finished with an abrupt turn.

Don't forget that timing is just one of many ways to judge a bike, and fast doesn't always mean it's the best for everyone.


On the climb, the Salsa ranked last, four seconds back from the Diamondback Sync'r with a time of 2:24. When the test lap pointed downhill, the Salsa took the win with a time of 1:14, four seconds ahead of both the Marin and the Commencal, but the combined times put it into third out of four in the overall - 3:38, six seconds back from the Commencal and six seconds ahead of the Diamondback.

Since, as mentioned earlier, the Timberjack was the most expensive hardtail on test, it hardly feels fair to compare it to the rest of the field, but we have to anyway. With slightly higher-grade components than any of the other bikes, the Timberjack made the money count, and the Shimano XT drivetrain and MT-501 brakes were as rock-solid as they come. In fact, the brakes performed better than most of the other, more expensive Shimano brakes I've ridden recently, with sufficient power and without the notorious wandering bite point.

I also appreciated that the Timberjack came with what I consider extremely sensible tires: a Maxxis Minion DHF up front and Rekon in the back, both in EXO casing. The DHF was exactly what I wanted for cornering and playing around, while the Rekon kept the bike feeling lively and unencumbered.

The RockShox 35 Gold fork, however, was the weakest part of the build. While there wasn't anything particularly bad about it, it had minimal adjustability and relatively little sensitivity off the top, sometimes feeling like it couldn't quite hang with the desert chatter. I would have loved to try out the bike with a pricey top-end fork, but I suppose that's not the point of testing value bikes.

All in all, it's hard to find fault with the Timberjack. It delivers on versatility and it's just easy to like. The willingness to go anywhere, the sensible tires and brakes, and the nostalgia of goofing around on a hardtail all make me want to take it out for yet another ride.

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Pros

+ Very versatile
+ Shimano drivetrain is excellent
+ Adjustable chainstay length & singlespeed option
Cons

- Not the fastest climber
- Fork is the weakest part of the build






The 2022 Value Bike Field Test was made possible thanks to Visit Tucson and Norrona clothing.





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162 Comments
  • 137 3
 gotta stop specing bikes with rockshox 35's. For just a bit more, you can get a Bomber Z2, and have way better performance from a similar costing fork.
  • 113 5
 Yes! Stop putting Rockshox 35 forks and SX drivetrains on bikes, they are built to fail.
  • 6 23
flag naptime FL (Apr 20, 2022 at 10:02) (Below Threshold)
 I've read the bomber doesn't have replaceable bushings ? So when they've worn......
  • 35 11
 @naptime: when was the last time I replaced bushings?

Uh, never ... non issue.
  • 18 1
 @bikerider0985: My god yes. I had a bike with SX drivetrain and a coil spring Suntour fork. Which one did I hate the most and replace first? The drivetrain.
  • 47 2
 Hum hum... "unacceptable bushing play on the RS 35".
Exactly the same problem I have on my Marzo Z2 which was soooo much approved by Pinkbike (reason among others why I bought one).
Asking a suspension expert (Novyparts) he told me that the Z2 has exactly the same problem as.... the RS 35...
... and that it's "functional", and that I can eventually live with it.... unless I ask Fox service to replace the lowers by Fox 34 ones for quite a good amount of money.
And I discovered on internet that many Z2 owners have the same problem.
BTW: bushings of the Z2 are not replacable because they are... cast in the lowers, so it means that this fork is disposable.
Unacceptable, indeed.
  • 1 4
 @danstonQ: One thing I've heard about the Z2 is that it doesn't come with foam seals installed, but it does accept them. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, adding them would probably help with that problem.
  • 4 0
 @danielfloyd: I don't think it would solve the problem.
The problem is (Fox service told me) that on my (OEM) 150mm Z2, the stanchions are not entirely taken in charge by the lowest bushings. When you compress it a bit, the problem actually disappears.
The issue would not occur with slightly longer stanchions.
Anyway...
  • 15 0
 Agreed. Bump the drivetrain to a full SLX and they could probably sell it for the same price.

I wish bikes model names used suspension instead of the drivetrain as an indicator. For example: Timberjack XT 29 vs Timberjack RS 35 29.
  • 7 0
 @danstonQ: just sent my Z2 back to Fox for the third time with bushing play. Their solution was to convert the fork to a Rhythm with new lowers and internals. It’s all been covered by warranty, but still annoying. Zero bushing play so far, but also zero ride time on my “new” Rythm.
  • 10 1
 @TwoNGlenn: it's exactly this: Fox only offers to return an ill-conceived Z2 to awkwardly convert it into a "frankensteined" Rythm.
It's pathetic. All this for that?!
I don't know if the Z1 has some issues, but I'll definitely go back to Rockshox as soon as I can, or to Suntour: I have a RC2 Auron on my hardtail for 5 years and it works very well... and servicing it is a child's play.
  • 6 7
 @naptime: Very few modern forks have replaceable bushings. Rocksox for sure don't.
  • 3 0
 @danstonQ: We've warrantied at least 2 Z2's in the past year for bushing play. They're rideable but the play is unsettling and annoying for sure
  • 11 3
 I love my $2000 hardtails that don't come with a decent fork. That way I have to pay $500-$1000 extra to have a real bike.
  • 41 0
 Speccing a crap fork and a nice drivetrain is really stupid IMO. I would way rather see a Fox 34/Pike/Z2 on there with a Deore drivetrain.
  • 4 1
 @naptime: to be fair, no rockshox fork has replaceable (factory) bushings anymore. They want you to replace the lowers.
  • 7 1
 @danstonQ: The Auron is much better than most people realize.
  • 2 0
 @NWBasser: Completely!!! I'm bitter 'cos 2 days after I bought this damned Z2 on an aftermarket website, I found a 29" Auron RC2... exactly the one I wanted, shiny and unsused and... a bit cheaper.
C'est la vie Smile
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: My Z1 has been fantastic. No issues. Simple to adjust and maintain. Really good fork.
  • 1 1
 @danstonQ: I knew that Marzocci will be a cheaper Fox but non replaceable bushings are unacceptable. I didn't know that's the case.
  • 3 0
 @tuckfordouble: why are you being downvoted for speaking facts?
  • 1 0
 @danstonQ: this is still better than RS solution to worn bushings. $309 new lowers that are out of stock and don't have a estimate of availability.
  • 1 1
 What is wrong with the 35?
  • 1 0
 @riklassen: It's overpriced for the performance you get out of it. Yes it is a 35mm stanchion, but it's not a very good air spring or damper. You can upgrade it, but at that point it would just be worth it to get a better fork. For an entry-level rider who wouldn't feel the difference anyways, it's not terrible, but if you rode it for a while and then tried a nicer fork, you would definitely notice it.
  • 1 0
 @riklassen: A very poor damper.
  • 1 0
 @danielfloyd: AFAIK, the 35 has different threads for the damper and can't be practically upgraded.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer I heard the above tossed around a couple times. Is this true? What are the true upgrade abilities of the RS 35?
  • 2 0
 @NWBasser: I believe you can replace the air spring, but the the damper is about as good as it gets. As far as I've read, everyone's saying that it won't accept the better ones.
  • 61 0
 I've decided that I'm willing to tolerate commercials only if Levy has to do them ALL.
  • 59 0
 Don't worry, he does.
  • 73 0
 Ugh dammit
  • 3 0
 How about thems Eyebrows... Big Grin
  • 47 0
 ...Why don't they have salsa on the table?
What do you need salsa for?
...Salsa is now the number one condiment in America.
You know why? Because people like to say "salsa." "Excuse me, do you have any salsa?" We need more salsa." "Where's the salsa? No salsa?"
  • 27 1
 "You know, it must be impossible for a Spanish person to order seltzer and not get salsa."
  • 11 0
 See, this should be the show.
  • 2 0
 @sideshowmel: what’s the show about?
  • 37 2
 You missed the biggest upside! It's a Salsa, so you can put a Jones bar on it, sit bolt upright, let your fitness and riding skills degrade, and and then passive aggressively tell everyone else how they really ought to smile more and have fun.
  • 38 0
 420 kinda day! Well timed intro.
  • 44 1
 What a coincidence!
  • 31 0
 I think the review understates that speccing high level drivetrain and a mediocre fork is a bad choice. Forks are way more expensive to replace and the perfomance gain is high at this pricepoint. On a hardtail, frame and fork is where the money should be at (and presence of a dropper post). I would much rather see a Deore drivetrain and a Pike (or Axon) at this price than XT and a 35.
  • 3 0
 Putting only an XT derailluer and XT shifter on a bike and calling it an "XT" build is... a choice.

Those are Deore level cranks, from the photo they appear to be the FC-MT510-1. Deore cranks are dramatically heavier than SLX/XT. Maybe cheaping out here is ok for the folks buying this bike but I'm in total agreement, this particular spec choice is mind boggling.
  • 1 0
 I completely agree with this. There are any number of pretty decent mid-level forks that would fit within this bike's budget and offer much better overall performance.
  • 31 0
 Just here to shout out that sick squash style Alicia pulled in the intro clip.
  • 28 4
 Contrary to popular belief on PB, hardtails aren't just for children, cheapskates, beginners, or eccentric weirdos. As Steve from Hardtail Party can tell you, there are some really good, modern steel hardtails that ride smoother and livelier than aluminium for similar money. I picked up an Esker Japhy frame in late 2020 for $750 new, right when it launched. It's on the light side for steel (2.6 kg in a medium, 27lbs complete) and the ride quality is sublime. My other ride is a carbon full suspension that costs over twice as much, and I still enjoy switching it up with the hardtail to keep my skills sharp.
  • 24 3
 everyone needs a hardtail
  • 6 1
 With modern geo, a compliant material, good tyres with optional inserts and quality fork you can build an exceptionally capable hardtail today. Nothing like the old days.
  • 8 0
 I'd love to see a field test with higher-end modern/trail hardtails. Although I do get why PB hasn't done this (at least recently, that I know of) given that it's a pretty niche market.
  • 13 3
 @p1ne: I've love to see a single speed field test!
  • 12 3
 Once you turn 30 and realize you're never going pro, you peaked years ago, and you're only going to get slower, it should be almost mandatory that you design your own hard tail, your own geometry, etc with someone like Marino Bikes. Their fully custom steel hardtail starts at $320 (and you only have to wait like 5 years for delivery ). The challenge, risk, and growth that comes from deciding your own geometry is invaluable. Its not about getting the "perfect ride", its about learning and better appreciating the industry/hobby that we've devoted ten thousand hours to.
  • 7 0
 @hamncheez: whoa whoa slow down. Peaking in my mid to late 20s? I will never accept that. I will keep pushing for PRs on every climb until my heart explodes
  • 3 0
 Plus one for eccentric weirdo
  • 3 0
 eccentric weirdo, checking in
  • 3 0
 @HardtailHerold: I also have an eccentric hard tail www.pinkbike.com/photo/16069110
  • 2 0
 @deez-nucks: I don't need a hardtail.
I already have 3.
  • 2 0
 @mrkumro: YES.
  • 3 0
 @p1ne: Here's an idea: a field test of HCHT frames that can be bought for less than $1k, where PB (i.e. sponsors) build them up with the same kit. I know this steps into HardtailParty's territory... but I could see a showdown across Marin, Ragley, Banshee, Norco, et al... and throw in a "hard donut" custom frame welded up in someone's garage...
  • 3 1
 for sure this. hardtails are substantially more fun. the writers on PB will figure that out one day
  • 1 0
 @nozes: I think you mean... you needed 3
  • 22 1
 I love that this extremely reasonable bicycle beat out the overbuilt, trendy commencal on the descent.
  • 20 1
 Are plus tires actually trendy?
  • 40 0
 Hah yeah, the Commencal is a great bike, but I just happened to get along really well with this one. I'm a pretty firm believer that the fastest bike is the one you feel most at home on.
  • 6 3
 @mikekazimer: I was alluding to its long slackness, but I guess the timberjack medium has more reach. The meta still has a 64 degree HTA though, which is what feels silly for a hardtail, to me.
  • 17 0
 @IF-OBA-WILLS-IT, the Commencal isn't actually that long or slack, at least compared to something like the Norco Torrent. It has a 65-degree head angle and a 445mm reach for a large. Remember, the head angle steepens when you're sitting on it - I'd say the Commencal's numbers make it a great all-rounder.
  • 3 0
 The salsa is a fair bit more expensive that the commencal... and 29 not 27.5. Just saying the salsa isn't exactly the underdog here. But yeah, 160mm fork on a hardtail seems too much. And not having adjustable dropouts on the commencal is big con in my book.
  • 4 1
 @kcy4130: I have a 160mm fork on my Kona Honzo ESD and it feels just right.
  • 5 2
 @Offrhodes: Agreed. 160mm on an orange crush. You just get your weight over the front wheel and ride the fork and leave the back wheel to do it’s own thing. I wouldn’t want any less.
  • 2 0
 @kcy4130: 160 on a hardtail is not bad at all. I had a 160 on my Timberjack and loved it.
  • 3 0
 @alicialeggett: "I'm a pretty firm believer that the fastest bike is the one you feel most at home on" Yes! This should be a disclaimer to any review on any bike site, as well as something to rub in the face of those who think they should have the same bike as whoever last won a WC.
  • 5 0
 @ak-77: We have to do timing because Field Test, but that's how we all feel about testing bikes, especially the value-priced ones. The times are meh, but we want to talk about how they *feel* on the trail.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: Feel is subjective, which makes it harder for the reader to believe it has similar meaning to them. But in the end, most PB readers are not racers so feel is way more important than speed. I do miss a little bit more explanation why e.g. the Salsa feels so much better than the Diamondback. Geometries look fairly similar to me, a few mm reach, a degree of seat angle, half a degree of head angle. Why does it make such a difference? And to what extent do body dimensions play a role in that?
  • 17 0
 Kaz briefly mentioned this in the video, but the terrain has a lot to do with it, too. If we were testing somewhere steeper, I bet the Commencal would have done better, but our test descent was more varied, a little more ledgy with some flat sections, and not really a trail where I wanted a slacker head angle and a longer travel fork.

Plus there's the human element... I'm just a dumb human, not a robot, and my riding totally depends on whether I'm daydreaming about dinner, feeling sunburned, whatever. The timing is kind of useful as a ballpark measure of (I feel) our comfort on the bike, but take it all with several grains of salt.
  • 1 0
 The Commencal isn't long enough for it's slackness.
  • 1 0
 @Offrhodes: I'm in a similar boat - On One Dee Dar with a 160 Pike - and 26" wheels. What a fun bike once your body adjusts to using your legs as the rear suspension.
  • 47 40
 Are we just gonna ignore the ridiculous Facebook post about PB/Outside and NFT's? Jesus. NFT's are a scam, terrible for the environment, and just plain stupid. Outside is an absolute leach.

PB, I've been pretty quiet about the Outside acquisition... but they are DESTROYING your brand and reputation between this NFT bullsh*t and all the forced BETA content. Band together, buy yourselves back, and PLEASE become independent again. We would much rather read real, independent journalism than watch some videos where you copy Donut Media and team up with more journo's from the Outside network.
  • 30 6
 this is a review on a rad hardtail on pinkbike.com, go rant about it on facebook
  • 17 13
 @ltharris: There's a BETA ad in the middle of the video.
  • 6 0
 @b2bikes: There's literally ads for everything on everything.
  • 11 0
 Sounds like it’s a Pike away from being a zero-downside hardtail
  • 10 0
 The fox 34 rhythm would have been a good choice too. That is a seriously underrated fork. It's just a tad heavy.
  • 3 0
 @mrkumro: I’m pleasantly surprised by my rhythm 36. Sometimes I think I want to put the upgraded grip 2 damper in it or a Z1 coil, but then I ride it and I’m blown away by how good it is for so little money.
  • 3 0
 @sjma: I have the similar thoughts with my 34 rhythm. Ever time I think about upgrading to a pike I ride it and change my mind. It is a heavy pig though.
  • 2 0
 @mrkumro: Ive had a Rhythm on two bikes I rented and both times I felt comfortable on it right out of the gate. Super easy fork to get along with
  • 8 0
 I really enjoyed my Timberjack that I built up from frame. I've since moved all the parts to a GG Shred Dogg, but I miss the hardtail. It worked really well.
  • 10 0
 Love how Levy's hand-talking has him practically reach across Kaz.
  • 35 0
 It's dangerous sitting that close to him.
  • 2 0
 Destine to be a new Palmer Peeve. Or maybe a revelation after standing around not knowing what to do with his hands while you talked about the test bikes
  • 1 0
 LOL, yea I was thinking that hopefully there was nothing on the laptop Kaz needed to look at for the next bit cause Levy's hand was flying around the whole time!! Smile
  • 7 0
 @mikekazimer it is worth mentioning that the geometry refers to a sagged fork. So the Timberjack is pretty slack with about 65 degree headangle.
  • 1 0
 That's very interesting and a great point.
  • 1 10
flag hardtail29errba (Apr 20, 2022 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 It states 66.4, not 65.
  • 3 0
 @hardtail29errba: He is talking static which is how some hardtails are measured. The Salsa is 66.4 at 30% sag.
  • 6 0
 FWIW, I have a Ragley that came with the MT501 brakes. My experience lines up well with the article comment on them. They're far better than I ever expected. A real sleeper product from Shimano.
  • 12 0
 It's almost like they're the best brakes in Shimano's catalog...?
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: I’d say so. Wish they’d take the bite point adjusters out of the levers-seems like that’s where the issue comes from.
  • 8 0
 @mikelevy: There are also the MT520, which is the 4 pot version of the same brake.https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/shimano/BR-MT520.html . Probably better for most of the riding you guys do.
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: Or maybe it's go cheap or go full out with Shimanos. Seb Stott had good things to say about the XTR brakes in today's Strive review.
  • 2 0
 My old mt520s that came on my old hd4 never gave me any wandering but point and stupid strong if not a bit touchy. They honestly felt more powerful than my current slx four pots or dare I say my dominion a4s
  • 2 0
 @travieso429: I have A4's on my other bike and am quite amazed that the 501's are right up there on power.
  • 8 0
 Looks like kneepad country
  • 8 2
 You had me at singlespeed option.
  • 2 2
 Me too
  • 5 0
 isn't 29 x 2.6 a plus sized tire or does that labeling only apply to 27.5 tires?
  • 1 0
 I know right... too bad they didn't try this 29/2.6 front and 27.5/2.8 back. Really good desert tire set up IMO...
  • 2 0
 It applies to what ever they tell you it applies to.
  • 3 0
 I thought "plus" meant >=2.8 inches and =3.5 inches wide
  • 1 0
 2.6 is the semi-plus category.
  • 1 0
 I never saw a 2.6 tire until plus tires came out?? but yeah, if you google it, the articles from back then say it starts at 2.8.
  • 6 1
 Looks like a sesh...wait Honzo!
  • 5 0
 Definitely passes the eye test. Great looking bike
  • 2 1
 I really hope on the spec deep dive they actually dive into the specs eg. Are the hubs/BB/headset sealed? I've seen a few budget friendly bike loose ball headsets. I think it would be interesting to know where the corners have been cut or pennies saved on these bikes.
  • 1 1
 The answer is - yes all bearings are sealed.

Hubs Shimano MT400 and Shimano MT410
BB crankset is a Shimano MT-510 - so pretty sure the BB is sealed
Headset - FSA Orbit NO.57E 1.5 ZS

I have hunch you are just trolling, but maybe you really think $2100 hardtail is spec'd with unsealed bearings in the year 2022.
  • 2 0
 @j1sisslow:
Thanks thats the sort of spec deep dive I think is needed.

Sadly I'm not trolling or trying to be deliberately provocative. But it's not unheard of for brands to cut corners on components.
Eg my Orbea laufey which retailed for £1500 in 2019 or 2020 had and unsealed headset and it was a massive pain.
Or saying a bike comes with minions or similar, but actually they are the crap single compound versions.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy and the rest of the Pink Bike crew that got to ride this, any of you also get to ride a RSD Middlechild V2?

This TJ was what I was going to buy last fall, but the frame only option was unobtanium. I decided on build up a Middlechild V2 frame instead.

Hoping someone can compare them in terms of frame and geo.
  • 1 0
 Everyone keeps saying it just works - because of the geometry. Pinkbike is using the geometry provided by Salsa with a 25% sag of a 130mm fork so its actually slacker than this in static geometry. Its near identical to what most new hardtails, e.g. the Rosco and Chameleon are now doing. 65 degree head angle, 75 degree seat angle.
  • 1 0
 I know people can be on a pretty tight budget for bikes, but I would say anything you can do to get a better fork on a bike like that is worth it. Even buying a used Pike and swapping it out. I ordered my wife a cheaper build RSD Middle child, which is an awesome bike (so awesome I have one too) but oh man, that lower end RS fork is like a pogo stick. Really ruins the vibe. This Salsa is a pretty tidy looking frame though. Like seeing all the hardtail action.
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 I'm not surprised at the Timberjack's field test results for the climbing portion of the test... it comes spec'ed with burly wheels, 2.6" tires and a Minion DHF on the front. Tires (and wheels) can make a big difference in how a bike feels. My timberjack (singlespeed) is probably the 14th mountain bike I've owned in 20 years of XC and enduro racing & trail riding... and with a pair of 2.35 ikons and carbon rims it climbs great!
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 Although it doesn't quite slide into the "value" side of things, the Essential build of the Meta HT is an amazing bike. Better fork, dropper, and drivetrain. Well worth the dollars. There are still a few 2021s on the Canadian site, bringing it in at about $3000 CAD. I'd call that value!
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 Alicia, how do your glasses stay on? I need the same pair so I don't have to deal with contacts when I want to get a quick 1 hour post-work ride in.
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 Wire n magic! But for real, I have these ones. When they start to fall down too much, I just bend the frame so they're a little tighter again. It's not a perfect solution, but they're decent for short rides!
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 @alicialeggett: Thanks for your response! They look way better than Rokas - these just might be my next set of wire frame glasses, if I can figure out how to buy them...
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 I have wanted the new style frame for over a year. At this time I t’s impossible desire to meet. I have a 2018 Timberjack, great bike. I bet the updated one is going to even better once I can track down a frame.
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 Loving this content, even the ad reads! The mispronunciation of Commencal is like nails on a chalkboard though. @Tombrad says is correctly, take some lessons from him!
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 Not trying to be overtly negative here, but every salsa I've ever seen that was actually ridden hard snapped either on the seat stay or chain stay, including full suspension models. Hopefully they have that sorted.
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 I know that I'm just one person, but I've put about 6,500 miles of mostly dirt singletrack on my Salsa Carbon Beargrease and it is still going strong despite me absolutely abusing the crap out of it.
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 @scottonthepot: fair, some clarification on my end, I've never witnessed a fat bike have problems or a carbon bike. Never really had a sample size on their carbon bikes because there weren't many around. But their metal hardtails and full suspension bikes that were hitting drops and jumps were cracking regularly in my neck of the woods for years. To the point I wouldn't recommend their bikes to friends even though on paper it looked like a good new budget option.
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 Reading "budget-bike" reviews is as about as entertaining as reading a long term test of a Honda Accord written by one of your great aunts.
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 Beige Camry vs grey Accord, who wins?!
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 @mikelevy, how would you compare this bike to the Rocky Mountain Growler 40 of last year’s test ?
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 Following this value test with interest. Love Salsa Bikes cool to see a review.
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 Have the people that are actually in the market for these bikes ever actually heard of PinkBike?
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 Just given an estimate of 14+months for new Timberjacks in stock by one of the biggest Salsa dealers in Colorado. Wahoo.
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 Painted Hills?
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 Brown Mtn
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 Needs more high pivot.
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 RZ1 full squish better deal at that price point
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 Steel is real... but too expensive for that Field Test. Snif...
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 Technically, 29x2.6" tires are plus-size tires. Most manufacturers list them as plus tires.
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 All good stuff but did it work?
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 Sees fork spec (vomits in nearest trashcan) sees crank and other bits spec on claimed xt build (explosive diareaha in same trashcan) stumbles away in horror. Thank gawd you can fit 2 water bottles for the dehydration caused.also nice and light, especially with empty wallet.
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 ID: make your logos a little bigger every year
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 Are you guys gonna ride my bike?
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 @alicialeggett you got some steeeeze!!
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 fake reviews we k ow pinkbike are hardtail pansies always sucking full suspension builders
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 Singlespeed conversion on the cheap: any bike, pick a gear, never shift again. No need custom steel frame, adjustable dropouts, tensioner, or manbun.
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 Hahah wait... did that guy's comment about the NFTs get deleted??
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 No it's just at the bottom, under "below threshold threads"
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 Nope, we wouldn’t delete that comment. It’s in the downvoted section Smile
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