First Ride: The New Santa Cruz 5010 Has In-Frame Storage & a Sporty New Haircut

Sep 6, 2022 at 11:13
by Alicia Leggett  
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Santa Cruz has been on a roll with revamping almost its entire product line this year, and today the California brand announced the new 5010. The 5010 has historically held its spot in the Santa Cruz lineup as a 130 mm, 27.5" trail bike, but it has now given up its smaller front wheel in favor of a mixed wheel setup. (That means that the 27.5" version of the V10 is the lone smaller-wheeled holdout from Santa Cruz, but even that bike is sold primarily in 29" and mullet configurations.)

I've had the opportunity to try the 5010 in the Utah desert, where it's been pitted against extremely dry dirt, sharp rocks, twisty descents, and punchy climbs - essentially the ideal terrain for a bike in this category.
5010 5 Details

• Wheel size: Mixed 27.5" / 29"
• Travel: 130 mm, 140 mm fork
• C & CC carbon, aluminum
• 64.9º or 65.2º head angle
• 76.8º seat tube angle (size L, low)
• 437mm chainstays (size L, low)
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L (tested), XL, XXL
• Weight: 31.0 lbs / 14.1 kg (size L, GX AXS build)
• Price: $5,299 - $10,649 ($9,699 as tested)
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Alongside the Santa Cruz 5010, the women's Juliana Furtado was also released today with nearly all the same details: the build kits are comparable, the main differences being that the Juliana Furtado comes in the 'Matte Aquamarine' colorway, comes stock with 760 mm rather than 800 mm bars, and is available only in XS, S, and M sizes. Like the rest of the Juliana lineup, it'll also come with a shock tune aimed at lighter riders, compared to its Santa Cruz counterpart. (The sizing is why I'm on a Santa Cruz rather than a Juliana, as I ride a L frame.)


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Between the 5010 and the Furtado, there are three colorways in total: Matte Nickel, Gloss Red, and Matte Aquamarine.


Frame Details

The 5010 looks much the same as the previous edition, with the lower link driven VPP system that marks nearly all of the Santa Cruz lineup. We also see the same in-frame storage box that appeared this year so far on the new Megatower, Hightower, and Nomad models, and has now made its way to the 5010. There's plenty of room for tools inside the generous storage compartment, and Santa Cruz includes two padded sleeves - a tool wallet and a tube purse - to keep the box contents quiet and secure. The box has a spring-loaded latch, which can be a bit tricky to operate with gloves on, but it stays shut and has a water bottle mount on the lid.

The bike has the same internal cable routing, frame protection, and UDH compatibility as the last version, though it comes with Santa Cruz's own version of the derailleur hanger. Chainstay length and seat tube angle vary throughout the size range, as does the frame stiffness to keep the bike feeling consistent across the range.

The Boost-spaced rear end fits a maximum tire size of 27.5" x 2.5". The bike also fits 180mm post-mount rotors and has ISCG-05 tabs for a chain guide.

New on this edition, there's a small cutout on the frame to look into the shock tunnel and check sag. On the previous version, the shock essentially disappears into a mystery hole, and it's tough to see the o-ring, so it's nice that Santa Cruz incorporated a bit more user-friendliness into the suspension setup this time around.

There's also an aluminum version of the frame incoming, though I haven't seen it yet, so it's unclear whether it shares all the same frame details as the carbon one.



The important details: clean routing and frame protection.



The Glovebox has been a nice addition to Santa Cruz frames this year, and the shock tunnel cutout makes suspension setup a bit less mysterious. Also - there's a flip chip, but it requires an allen key and an appreciation for subtlety.





Geometry

As mentioned earlier, the biggest change here is the move to a 29" front wheel - a smart move on Santa Cruz's part, I think, based on mixed-wheel sizing becoming the norm for many play bikes and all-arounders these days.

Like every bike ever, this one has slackened out up front and has gained a few millimeters of reach. The wheelbase, too, has grown by about 15 mm - of course in tandem with the larger front wheel.

For those who appreciate minute adjustments, Santa Cruz incorporates a flip chip that allows for 3-4 mm (depending on size) of bottom bracket height adjustment and 0.3 degrees of head angle adjustment, though the high position also has a marginally higher leverage ratio.


Suspension Layout

In an effort to improve the bike's sensitivity through the top portion of its travel, Santa Cruz has lowered the anti-squat by 16% at its peak, keeping it significantly lower than that of the earlier version through the first 100 mm of travel.

Otherwise, the suspension platform remains the same as on the previous 5010, with a straight line for a leverage ratio curve, meaning that the bike will ramp up consistently as the suspension compresses.


The Juliana Furtado shares all the same frame details, but is aimed at smaller and lighter riders.

Spec Check

The bike I'm testing comes with a GX AXS drivetrain, a RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ shock, a RockShox Pike Select+ fork, and Santa Cruz's Reserve 30 HD rims.

The build kit is solid for a mid-level build, I'd like to see top-tier suspension at this nearly five-digit price point of $9,699 (I've edited this article since receiving pricing information). That said, there's nothing handicapping this bike. The Maxxis DHR II Exo combo is a very reasonable tire spec for this bike, and the SRAM G2 brakes are totally sufficient for a bike in this category - though considering the bike's descending ability and that there's only a 40 gram difference between the G2s and Codes, it would be nice to see a spec with more powerful brakes.

Photo: Grant Robinson

Ride Impressions

Hopping on the 5010, I was immediately struck by just how energetic the bike feels while pedaling. While the geometry feels spot-on for a comfortable all-day adventure rig and capable descender, the bike feels efficient and zippy, making me want to pedal harder to go places, but it seems to balance out some of its quickness with a very dampened feel.

While climbing, the 5010 has a bit more stability than some of its light trail bike peers, with a slack head angle paired with a steep seat tube angle. The pedaling position is right over the bottom bracket - nice and sporty. On both technical and smooth climbs, the bike is easy to put exactly where it needs to be.

Once it's pointed downhill, the 5010 likes to have fun. It's much snappier than most bikes that prioritize descending, but it feels plenty stable at speed. The primary trade-off I noticed was that traction was a bit harder to come by while descending than on bikes with more sensitivity - even with the adjustments to the anti-squat that Santa Cruz made compared to the last version and the generally pretty dampened feel of the suspension.

In some ways, the comfortable and aggressive geometry suggests that it would be easy to over-commit to the gnar and get in over the bike's head. While I haven't experienced that in terms of travel, I did - as mentioned earlier - sometimes feel over-committed when it came to traction. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing; in fact, it's pretty rad that a short-travel bike can make me feel comfortable enough to get sketchy. In short, it's a short travel bike with geometry that makes it ride just a tiny bit bigger than the numbers suggest - another point in favor of more powerful brakes to go along with the bike's knobby tires and all-around capability.

Keeping in mind that we're still talking about a 130 mm bike, the 5010 feels excellent in the gnar-lite, the playful trails that aren't overly technical but do require a bit of forgiveness, and the low center of gravity and short rear end make it easy to rip around corners. The handling is very, very easy, and all in all the bike does a great job of smoothing out the rough stuff without sacrificing its lively, efficient personality.





429 Comments

  • 632 16
 Santa Cruz bikes will keep evolving until they only make one bike with 12 different names available in 24 colours. This bike will cost 20 thousand dollars.
  • 107 148
flag razor (Sep 7, 2022 at 0:45) (Below Threshold)
 Pick a brand, be a dick about it (whilst ignoring the fact most brands have a pretty consistent design philosophy - let’s take current comment section darlings Transition for example).
  • 104 10
 Another new press release a few pics of curves claims of blah blah fuck me this bicycle stuff is getting a bit boring and oh so similar
  • 28 3
 @razor: well it is an Canadian website otherwise it would be full of oranges and jokes about filing
  • 51 2
 @Compositepro: yah always with the two wheels as well, fml...
  • 5 15
flag riejuspike (Sep 7, 2022 at 2:48) (Below Threshold)
 @razor: or the ultimate phrase of all "Looks like a Session!" Big Grin my all time favourite to see in the comment section
  • 64 2
 @razor: I mean specialized has a pretty variable design language across their bikes. A stumpy and an Enduro are pretty different. Epic has an entirely different suspension platform. There’s what looks like a new demo that looks very different. Each generation of demo, looks pretty different from the previous.
  • 6 3
 It is already... Sure they are recicling molds...
  • 10 1
 @razor: Don't you get between me and my MTB tribalism.
  • 4 1
 Same manifesto as Pop Will Eat Itself
  • 49 2
 @razor: pick a dick and be a brand about it
  • 22 2
 @mior: how many brands of dick are there
  • 106 6
 @Compositepro: ask your mom
  • 35 1
 Hasn’t evil been selling the same bike with different wheel sizes since it was founded?
  • 24 5
 @rickybobby18:sadly shes dead but i suppose like some miracle i asked and at least one appeared
  • 10 5
 @razor: Yep. People hate it when companies make good bikes that many people love.
  • 4 0
 @riejuspike: maybe this will start "it looks like a " fill in the blank with your favorite Santa Cruz model...
  • 29 1
 @razor: No...it's just gonna be SC that gets crapped on. Because the S-Works Stumpy is essentially the same price maxed out, but it has full AXS and XX1 while SC cheaps out on a crappy Reverb seatpost and only gives you X01 on an $11,000 bike.
  • 2 1
 @Compositepro: too right. I don't even read them anymore. It's boring when everything stabilises isn't it? Give us some more batshit crazy designs please.
  • 71 0
 Phase 1: Release a new bike every 6 months that edges out its predecessor
Phase 2: Charge more than the competition for no apparent reason
Phase 3: Black turtlenecks are now mandatory attire at Santa Cruz HQ
Phase 4: Process Complete - You are now the Apple of the bike industry


...Phase 5: When releasing a new eBike you must also make the previous charger non-compatible
  • 3 0
 @Mtmw: no not really.
  • 9 2
 @scallywagg: nah apple have a product launch tonight and the world has stopped , pinkbike including myself in the 250 people who think the comments section is real are about the only people who know a bike was released today
  • 5 1
 Transition is headed the same way lol
  • 7 0
 @Compositepro: An Apple a year keeps the cultists in gear.
  • 4 0
 @Compositepro: that's because they're still only in the "black turtle necks are now mandatory attire at Santa Cruz HQ" phase... The next two phases is where sh** gets real.
  • 1 0
 @lumpy873: like a Session?
  • 2 0
 @BlindMan77: A Santa Cruz that looks like a Session? Yup.. Name checks out...
  • 3 0
 @TheLongMan: sadly... I own one, and was so proud of its boutique type of appearance.. now.. mmhhhh.. they even have ebikes =(
  • 1 0
 @ethanrevitch: That's my bad I appear to be out of the loop. What's their new mountain platform after DELTA?
  • 279 10
 There is absolutely no reason to mullet this model other than ‘on trend’
  • 33 3
 Agree. Why not leave it at 275. I guess you could bump the travel up 20mm and run a 275 front wheel...
  • 14 3
 @fartymarty: I've been wondering more often whether this has the intended effect. You'll reduce the head angle and you'll reduce the trail. Will the bike still handle as intended?

Either way, I wonder how long they'll will keep all these different models. Now, they again have two models for each "use" and the only difference now is the size of the rear wheel. Back in the days they had VPP and single pivot suspension designs and eventually ditched the single pivot models. Seems likely that they'll eventually ditch either the 29" models of the 27/29 models or, more likely, just offer a small aftermarket link, chip or dropout that allows people to switch from one rear wheel size to the other. Back in the days for instance the Trek Session 7 and 77 allowed you to switch between a 24" and the bigger 26" rear wheel, just shifting the dropouts a little.
  • 57 37
 Mullet is the new 27.5W. There will be so much regret buying these bikes.
  • 59 2
 While I don't have access to sales figures, this is one of the models SC recently put on sale. The 27.5" models seemed to be about the only 2022 models left in stock a few weeks ago. For reference, SC didn't have to discount the 29ers to make way for the new 2023 versions. My guess is the real reason the 5010 was mulleted was because the 27.5" version wasn't selling well. This was probably a way to save the 5010 and Nomad.
  • 28 40
flag FatTail (Sep 7, 2022 at 4:44) (Below Threshold)
 SC and the industry as a whole are getting desperate. Yes, sales of full 27.5 have slowed down, but recently so have sales of 29ers. As for mullets, the only region they are apparently selling is in the pacific northwest. No one is buying mullets anywhere else. Big mistake SC and Pon. Dumb dumb dumb. Way to go, you ruined the Nomad and now the 5010 - you guys are on a roll. Long live full 27.5!!
  • 7 3
 Maybe 27.5 fork production is why they are all going Mullet, probably no non-mullet 27.5’s in the next two years
  • 12 14
 @MTB-Colada: I look at all these developments and don't care. Both my front and rear wheels are 26". They're just as round as the bigger wheels. As long as they make you grin.

Just like on my current frame, I like that the 5010 has a fairly long headtube with a mid/short travel fork. It makes sense to me. Easy on the headset bearings so they'll probably last, the geometry of a longer travel fork but without the steep angle when the fork bottoms out. That said, just noticed that they cut the headtube down a little to fit that big front wheel. It won't hurt the steep HA advantage mentioned, but obviously it will be harder on the head set bearings. So yeah, personally I'd probably prefer the old over the new model.
  • 23 45
flag MattP76 (Sep 7, 2022 at 5:10) (Below Threshold)
 Funny, whenever I mention Mullets I end up down the bottom down voted. Someone else makes a negative comments about them they get the thumbs up. These Mullets will go eventually. I mean just look at it, it looks horrible with wheels that don't match in size.
  • 5 8
 @MTB-Colada: Totally agree
  • 17 10
 @MattP76: The funny thing is: People hate you for saying it, but you're right. Compared to people who ride 29ers, people who ride mullet bikes are an extremely tiny (but very vocal) minority.
  • 25 1
 @MattP76: I'll give you this one Penny Troll. 5010 should NOT be a mullet. Big Grin
  • 18 1
 Who’s designing the bikes over at Santa Cruz? I was only just joking last week about Santa Cruz making 5 almost identical enduro bikes and the 5010 and less than a week later they now make 6 almost identical enduro bikes and no 5010. Haha couldn’t make it up.
  • 10 1
 There aren't really any options for short travel mixed wheel bikes except the Status 140. They should just offer a build with a 10mm headset cup and a 150 27.5 fork/wheel, but then again all brands should be doing that.
  • 20 0
 @MTB-Colada: I have the 22 Bronson for about a year now, no regrets. I didn’t buy it because it was mix wheel, but because I demoed it and loved it. Discount didn’t hurt either. Companies sell mixed wheel sets now to. Idk. I’m not saying every bike should be a mix wheel, or that SC prices are “worth it” but I’m pretty positive people with extra money won’t be regretting getting a sick bike.
  • 3 4
 Or sell more bikes! Waiting for BOOST 165mm x 15mm rear
  • 11 4
 @thenotoriousmic: no one is designing them. A contractor designed it four years ago and they're just using work experience kids to change the colours and model names now. Keeps the costs way down low to double the already doubled profits.
  • 14 0
 I was here when 27.5 died. =(
  • 6 0
 @MattP76: Chill, nearly every comment with a couple of votes is getting both up- and downvotes. Care about it or not, that's up to you. I wouldn't say it was a wrong move to introduce the mullet per se. Just that they have another full 29 already so they just have too much similar stuff on offer, which may be a hassle with inventory and all that. So it makes sense to ditch one. Wouldn't have to be the "mullet" though. Personally I'd say ditch the 29 wheeled model and keep the mullet. If you like a 29 wheel, you have it. If you like a 27.5" wheel, you have it too.
  • 4 6
 @bman33: Thank you, this means a lot to me!
  • 4 3
 @MTB-Colada: I almost completely forgot about 27.5 W. That was a hilarious era.
  • 6 4
 @Caddz: I’ve heard this rumor that Fox is not looking into 27.5 fork production past 2023
  • 4 2
 I know, why not just make it 29 and fill the hole in their lineup. I'd be interested in this fun but sprite travel range bike if it was a 29'er. Leave the mullets for the M, S, and XS sizes.
  • 4 0
 @Jesse221: other than it looks a bit odd with huge tyre clearance, is there any reason they can't just put 27.5"wheels in 29" forks? I guess if you can do that, why make 27.5" forks?
  • 3 1
 @jaame: @thenotoriousmic - you guys are harsh. I like it.
  • 2 0
 @mountainsofsussex: you can; it just raises the axle to crown height, for 27.5 geo frames, thus slackening the H.A.a little more.
  • 6 2
 @MTB-Colada: As a mullet rider...I actually agree.

The mullet will fade away eventually, because the industry will get sick of carrying 27.5 - as much as I love 650b, retirement is inevitable (in MTB, anyway). In an era where supply chain disruptions and part shortages are a factor, it makes no sense to push a wheel size that consumers don't generally want.

In the meantime though, being 5'7 I LOVE my Spectral Mullet, and am thankful that I get to have the mixed wheel experience while it lasts! Just don't think of the resale in a few years....
  • 12 1
 @caltife: I disagree because 29" wheels limit how small you can make a bike. Outside of pro XC racing, riders under 5'6" have very little interest in riding a wagon wheeled bike.
  • 2 0
 @caltife: I actually wonder if it will stick around this time, as well as eventually maybe see a resurgence in some 27.5 bikes and maybe 26???? With so many places putting in bike parks and more people going to them.
I've seen a lot of people getting bit and thrown over the bars by the big rear wheels lately, big jumps are becoming more norm as the bikes have gotten so good lately.
  • 4 3
 I will probably only purchase mullet bikes from here on out. It's the best of both worlds. I'm 6ft 200lbs
  • 14 0
 So true. WTF. Its supposed to be a playbike. Bring back 27.5 and dont dumb down 5010.
  • 8 4
 @thenotoriousmic:

The private equity guys who own SC are designing the bikes. You can just picture the business model - buy bike company with 6 different bikes. Reduce costs by offering the same bike with six different names. Profit.
  • 2 5
 @Glory831Guy: Uhhh, my wife is 5' 1, and rips on her XS Stumpy.
  • 4 1
 @vonroder77: I have all 3 rear wheels sizes and a big rear wheel has nothing to do with going over the bars. Watch red Bull hardline. Many of them will be on full 29ers and the jumps are like 90ft long.

I do enjoy the 27.5 most at the bike park though
  • 5 4
 @adamszymkowicz: More power to her I guess? I'm 5'9" and the two 29ers I've demoed gave me a serious whallop in the tukus when I took a big drop while hanging off the back. I have 2 27.5 bikes. Might mullet them in the future, or get a new mullet bike, but I have 0% interest in a full 29 bike.
  • 9 1
 @learningcycles: 27.5 is only half dead. It's taking it in the rear!
  • 3 2
 @DCF: I was referring to more bike park, freeride and fest style jump jams. Nothing like getting your butt jammed by a giant 29 rear wheel taking off a steep lip to throw ya over the bars. Not saying it can't be done...was just thinking along the lines of a kid I saw learning to backflip a double on a Sentinel, poor kid got an ass full, it immediately threw him forward over the bars going off the lip.
  • 3 1
 @rivercitycycles: Correction: 27.5 is inserting itself in the rear end. Your favorite 29er is Taking 27.5 in the rear.
  • 1 0
 @bridgermurray: still use them in winter on my hardtail... 2.8-3inch width.. work nicely in snow I find...
  • 2 6
flag vinay (Sep 8, 2022 at 1:58) (Below Threshold)
 Ok, first of all, let's accept that we will never agree on the subject of geometry. We have different preferences and if someone is butthurt over the availability of a certain alternative, well that's just their butt.

As for how much room you need over the bike, I think we all just learn to use the room we have available over our own bikes. If you get on something with less room, it feels limiting. If you get on something with more room, you may argue that it is useless. I'm about 6ft tall and ride a hardtail with 26" wheels front and rear, 400mm seattube and have the saddle nearly slammed. I just like to have that amount of room available and when I raise the saddle a tad (I have a qr seatpost clamp) the saddle feels like a hurdle. I can imagine if I'd be on a bike with a larger rear wheel and especially if it can move up (because of rear suspension) things may get in the way. And then you see the XC racers ride with a big rear wheel, rear suspension and a pretty high saddle and get on fine. Using the room they still have available but not going where they can't. On the pumptrack I usually only ride my BMX (20" wheels front and rear, even lower saddle) and when I bring my (relatively low) mtb hardtail it is that one that feels limiting to me, even though it is lower than the mountainbike others bring to that same track.

TL;DR: People "need" a certain amount of room over their bikes because they're used to having and utilizing that amount of room over their own bike. They can probably adapt if you limit that room with a higher saddle, higher top tube and/or larger rear wheel. But why would one do that?
  • 3 0
 @vonroder77: exactly what I thought - if suddenly the worldwide supply of 27.5 forks stopped, bike co's wouldn't have to stop selling bikes with 27.5 front wheels, though they might want to shorten the head tubes for the next model. Less stock needed, seems fine to me
  • 1 1
 @mountainsofsussex: I think the easiest and most convenient modification would be to have such an adaptor like Liteville uses, that goes between crown and headset. Use it with a 27.5" fork and remove it for the big wheel fork. Still, you will keep the less favorable ratio of axle to crown over headtube length ratio. Axle to crown grew, headset had to shorten. This may bother those who worry about creaking csu's. Which already seems to be a lot of people.
  • 1 4
 @Glory831Guy: That sounds more like a bad body position issue than anything else.
  • 2 0
 @rivercitycycles: well said Sir. Well said.
  • 3 0
 @mountainsofsussex: I mean you can put a 27.5 in a 29 but if your using a 29 fork on a 27.5 frame you’ll still have a longer axle to crown. Also the last crop of the 27.5 bikes used shorter 37mm offsets to try and get more trail and stable steering so the 29” would be back to 44mm offset. Not the end of the world but definitely not ideal.
  • 1 0
 @Jesse221: damnit - forgot about offset! Extra flip chips for forks (and more opportunity for creaking) here we come!
  • 2 0
 @MTB-Colada: WTF is 27.5W ?
  • 2 0
 @Joecx: most likely 'Wide' seeing how that is 'Wide Trail' in the most modern MTB parlance
  • 2 2
 @adamszymkowicz: It's actually just a steep trails thing. Nobody rides really steep trails without hanging off the back of the bike. That's why DH bikes have super-slack seat angles, so that it's easier to hang off the back.

Just google '29er tire buzz' if you don't believe me, it's really a thing, and it's actually pretty common. I would just really hate for it to happen to me on a muddy day.
  • 2 1
 @Glory831Guy: I might be dumb so you have to explain. If you're standing up, how does a slack seat angle help with hanging off the rear of the bike?
  • 2 1
 @DCF: It doesn't help you if you're already standing, but it allows you to run a higher saddle height without a dropper. The slacker the seat angle, the lower the back of the saddle/ higher the front of the saddle will be. The lower the back of the saddle is, the easier it is to go from seated to hanging off the back.
  • 2 4
 @Glory831Guy: It sounds like you're riding older geometry bikes with very short wheelbases and maybe no dropper? I ride steep trails on a very modern 29er hardtail and a short travel full suspension. I'm never actually hanging off the back of the bike on rolls or drops - that's a really dangerous technique from the days of high posting on CC bikes. I just stay low and relatively centered and the geo does the rest. Seat tube angle is irrelevant unless you're seated and climbing.
  • 3 0
 @fentoncrackshell: When did I say I ride without a dropper? And what pro DH riders run a dropper?
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 @Glory831Guy: I ride plenty of steep trails. Instead of pushing your butt back, which unweights your front end and reduces your braking power, drop your sternum to your stem. You'll be able to brake better, and steer better through the steepness. It's the same as riding super steep stuff on skis or a snowboard. The instinct is always to get in the backseat, and that's when you've lost control. Weight forward and commit. Plus is your pants won't wear out as fast.
  • 3 1
 @fentoncrackshell: " Seat tube angle is irrelevant unless you're seated and climbing." Sooo, every DH bike that won a World Cup this year was apparently designed by idiots. Got it.
  • 2 5
 @adamszymkowicz: Depends on the terrain though. If you're going through a rock garden or big roots, it's faster to lean back and unweigh the front end and absorb the rear end impact with your legs.

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  • 2 1
 @Glory831Guy: why would you be sitting down while going down steep trails?
  • 2 2
 @DCF: You might be sitting down going through a flat corner, or a less-steep section of track. Go watch some DH race runs. Even the pros aren't standing for 100% of their run.
  • 6 0
 @Glory831Guy: After a road trip of nothing but super steep (Nelson, Retallack,Prevost and more), leaning into your front wheel makes for a MUCH easier time riding steeps rather than hanging off the back. As @adamszymkowicz said, weighting the front wheel will give you more traction for steering slowing down. It's fastest to have your weight balanced and central through pretty much all terrain. Being able to have movement front and back is super important to staying in control. Burying your back wheel into every hole in a rock garden is just going to slow you down. The picture of Loris there is misleading as he is dropping off that rock. Typically off a drop, you are rolling the bike forward and ahead of you, and that is pretty much the only time your butt ends up behind the seat completely.

Hanging off the back only unweights your front wheel, and you will get tossed harder otb if you have a big compression/ shelf mid chute with that added leverage. With old school geometry bikes, hanging off the back meant that you had even weight distriubtion on the tires. New bikes are much longer and require a much more forward/aggressive riding position to maintain the same 50/50 weight balance. Chin/ sternum over the stem is the way. Hanging off the back = straight arms = no more room to adjust fore/aft = bad time. Friday fails shows what hanging off the back too much can do for you.
  • 3 1
 @Glory831Guy: Loris isn't doing what you think he is. He's pushing the bike in front of him as he leaves the rock, but you can tell that his core is strong and his center of mass is balanced.. When he lands he'll absorb the impact evenly through arms and legs, and his body will be positioned over the center of his bike. Leaning back is always slower because you lose braking control and ability to maneuver the front end.
  • 1 1
 @Glory831Guy: The only time they're seated is if it's faster to sit, which it almost never is except for tracks with long straights that are steep enough to not have to pedal, and usually if that's the case, they're in a tuck. Riders who are sitting down and resting aren't winning. Guaranteed no one in the top 30 sat at Les Gets until they crossed the finish.
  • 2 0
 With constant speed, you want to have your center of mass in the same position with respect to the tire contact patch if everything is projected on the horizontal plane. Which indeed implies that when the bike is tilted down, with respect to the bike it may appear like you're shifting your weight back. But unless you're riding super "Freeride/MacAskill" like steep, it won't be such a dramatic rearward shift as I see some people do. Shifting too far rearwards will make you lose traction over the front wheel making it harder to steer and use the front brake (which is most effective for keeping your speed in check).

That is for constant speed. Of course when you also try to decelerate you may want your weight more rearwards. But instead when you want/have to accelerate (for instance when you just drop in from a low speed) you will have to have your weight a bit more in front. If you don't, your bike will leave you behind and on your ass.

@adamszymkowicz: You'd be surprised. Some of the riders who have great skill in the steep but just a bit less endurance may still do well on a longer track (like Ft Bill) if they sit down when they can to preserve energy. Think Danny Hart, Brendog... Heck, there is this certain quote about Danny Hart sitting down in Champery one time.
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 @Glory831Guy: I think you're mistaking sitting for tucking. Which still, has nothing to do with a slack seat tube preventing wheel buzz.
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 @DCF: LoL, I know seat angle has nothing to do with wheel buzz. You asked a tangent question about slack seat angles on DH bikes and I answered.

At the end of the day, I don't need a 29er rear wheel unless I'm riding XC, which I dont, and DH bikes don't need 80* degree seat angles just because Enduro bikes have them... Take care, and happy trails!
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 @adamszymkowicz: "The only time they're seated is if it's faster to sit." Can we get a slow clap in this, Bi+= ?
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 @leon-forfar: ride steeper tracks. When the track gets steep enough your saddle is dancing around by you windpipe and your sat on the back tyre but all you weights still going through the front wheel.
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 AMEN ! HALLELUJAH !!
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 @MTB-Colada: AMEN !! Thank you Pivot for dedicating the new Shadowcat to 27.5's !!
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 @thenotoriousmic: Yup, for sure. I wouldn't call that hanging off the back. Having your seat bouncing around the business and the occasional tire buzz on the butt is normal and good form (Centered/ central). But "hanging off the back" implies straight arms with your ass as far back as it will go, which is not the way. I've done plenty of steep tracks (Nelson, Prevost, Retallack etc), including the Mt7 Psychosis track, which in places, is about as steep as it gets.
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 @leon-forfar: here’s a few track from my local. First is really steep in places but nothing that will bother an EWS racer.
2nd 1:20 is super steep all the way down yet he’s still leaning forward and he’s central on his privateer 161. Last track 2:30 is insanely steep you’re just skidding down it and his saddle is blocking his chest mount all the way down because his wheels are on top of each other.

youtu.be/5o5-UOWL2nE
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 So me and my buddies were hanging around doing skids at the jib spot the other day, and we were like “ yo guys, the only thing that would make our 5010’s more skiddy is a real tasty, smashing big wheel in our forksies”, so John Jo rang Santa Cruz to see if they could help, we suggested a 36” wheel up front, they were like “we can do you a 29” broskies”. High fives all round, this bike is the result, no need to thank us
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flag VtVolk (Sep 7, 2022 at 6:27) (Below Threshold)
 You guys must be getting old. Everyone knows a 29" front wheel makes a bike totally unplayful
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 Someone in a wood just said yea boi in a Manchester accent
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 @browner: yea, exactly bruh. My Bro-naldinhos just mobbed me and celebrated (insincerely?) like I’d just won the World Cup, after a particular sweet skid. Dam I love my Doodaldos
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 @VtVolk: are you twisting my melons?
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 12k jibb bike for dentists who can’t jibb
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 I’m a dentist and I resemble that remark.
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flag andybloomer (Sep 7, 2022 at 3:15) (Below Threshold)
 Loose dog Lewis jibbed quite well on his, I believe it was then aquired by Luke Cryer who continues to out-jib most riders. Then there's Ratboy...
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 @andybloomer: he could jib a city bike, this is not a testament to the bikes characteristics.
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 What happens when the dentist can jib though? Do you hate him even more because he has the skills you wish you had and perfect teeth?
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 @hangdogr: 9 out of 10 dentists have a BMX background...
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 Dentists were kids too once. I’m sure some dentists out there shred.
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 And it costs 14,1 kilo in gold?
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 Hahaha, they stopped publishing SC prices on PB?
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 31 pounds is reasonably priced.
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 @Zuman: Booking a ticket to the UK now to grab that imperial bargain and avoid the metric pricing.
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 www.pinkbike.com/photo/edit/?inList[]=23316987 for reference a mullet to be proud of
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 @Zuman: I’d drive straight to my local SC dealer to get one too for £31, but i can’t afford the extortionate price of diesel !!
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flag Zuman (Sep 7, 2022 at 3:03) (Below Threshold)
 @McArdle: i guess all the SC owners, we all know one in our riding group, are going Electric bikes now, as SC bikes alone is not prestigious, so they had to make it a lot cheaper
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 I really like this new Santa Cruz lineup. If I would just live in some wealthier country I would buy one 100%
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 no, its the required weight on kidneys for one
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 @pakleni: I love how in general people cannot recognise sarcasm Wink

And let's not forget that for this price you get probably like 3 sets of free bearings worth like $200 in total, so it's absolutely worth to pay $2000 extra, since otherwise you would have to buy them yourself.
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 @pakleni: The good thing about living in Basel is that bike would soon be in France with a "new owner"
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 @korev: Maybe it could even become friends with my previous trail bike!
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flag endorium (Sep 7, 2022 at 4:19) (Below Threshold)
 Starts at 5k. Same trek, specialised and many other equivalents. SC is hardly.overproced compared to rivals anymore
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 @pakleni: that’s saying something coming from Switzerland !
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 @meathooker: that was the whole point of the comment.
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 @McArdle: Ride your bike there?
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 @endorium: starts at 5400 same as stumpjumper evo carbon comp, but the component difference is huge
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 @Noeserd: Yeah, that's like saying you still get 100 bucks worth of petrol when you fill up even if price went up.
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 que nos queda para los que vivmos en latinoamerica si los europeos se robaron todo el oro.
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 But it has Guide's and a Pike.
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 @endorium: With a Judy 35 fork and SX groupset...? That "low" price in NZ is around $8700 NZD to which tax and a slice of extra shipping would need adding to, taking the bike to at least $10,000 NZD. For $10,000NZD I can buy a Fuel EX-e, or a Trek Supercaliber (for a few hundy less), or a Giant Trance X Advanced 1 with Fox Live Valve for $9500NZD.

All three of these examples are carbon frames; Ex-e has same fork and Deore groupset but you get a friggin' motor, Supercaliber has Fox 32 Stepcast and GX groupset (thats 2 tiers above the SX), and the Trance has Fox 36 fork and GX (and live valve).

So where is the value in the lowest tier Solo bike from Santa Cruz again?
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 @handynzl: that's specific case though. Do local dealers not stock it. The others you lost in the UK would be way more than the Santa cruz
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 @handynzl: It's in the garbage.
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 @pakleni: When Swiss people think your bike is expensive you're f*cked lol
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 So a bike that is designed to be fun and playful, is now less fun and playful. Great.
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 More plow...less play.
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 That's exactly the reason why I'm sticking to my old 5010.
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 @abtcup: that's what she... nevermind
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 @hardtailpunter: Haha, "she" definitely does say that...
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 I'll stick with my 5010 V3.
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 It looks like the new 5010 and Hightower are sharing the same frameset with different links just like the new Nomad and Megatower are sharing the same frameset with different link. This sure is the best way to cut down the development cost whilst jacking up the MSRP on these frames.
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 I think the HT and a future new Bronson would be the ones sharing the same frameset since they are only 5mm travel difference (like the Nomad and MT). As such I would expect the new 5010 to share the same frameset as a new Tallboy, assuming the new TB gets 125mm of travel (all their 29ers have moved to travel ending in "5").

Basically they're making the same bikes with 5mm travel diff in mullet & 29er now and just giving them diff names.
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 @vitaflo: the current Bronson runs a 230x60 shock and is compatible with all coil shocks. If it were to share the same front triangle as the Hightower it would need to be a shorter shock and all those coils wouldn't fit. That would definitely be a massive step backwards.

This new 5010 runs a 210x50 and the shock is way up high in the shock tunnel. It's quite plausible that it's the same front triangle as the Hightower.
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 @taquitos: Good call on the shock differences.
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 @taquitos: also the new 5010 has the same sag check frame cutout as the new Hightower.
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 @vitaflo: I wonder if that lets them manufacture the frames modular style like GG does, and just swap out linkages. If so, it absolutely makes sense as a business model for a direct to consumer brand trying to build a customer base (a la GG) but makes no sense for SC as they are an established "boutique" brand, and theoretically have the capital to R&D a full fleet like the Treks, Specializeds, and Giants of the world. I think what we're seeing are the death throes of SC to be honest. They're frantically trying to save manufacturing costs while maintaining boutique prices hoping people will pay them out of sticker blindness and nostalgia. Do yourselves a favor and go get literally anything else.
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 Was anyone asking for a 5010 mullet?
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 Me. I know it's not popular at all in the comment section but I like it. I had a 19' Bronson that was a great bike but I had an easier time taking my Ripley V4 down extremely technical dh trails. A 29 in the front may be a band-aid for technical trails (or as some say, a lack of skill) but I'm not getting younger and having an easier time on the downhills is a plus.

This seems close to perfect for someone that wants a do it all bike but still wants it poppy and playful. I now have a big travel 29er and would love for something like this as my 2nd bike...just wish their frame prices didn't jump so high.
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 @zarban: booo! Shame on you for expressing a reasonable opinion, go and have a cold shower you shill
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flag eugenux (Sep 7, 2022 at 6:05) (Below Threshold)
 @zarban: was thinking similar but then I realized that instead of 6-10k on such a bike, I'd rather buy an electric bike( to complement my real enduro bike) and use that for long days in the saddle.
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 @zarban: 100%. I rode a long travel 27.5 bike for several years then went to a long travel 29 thereafter. Last year I put a 27.5 wheel on the 29er bike I had and it absolutely ripped with little to no downsides. My next bike will be a purpose built MX. MX makes a lot of sense for those that are short of stature and like to play on their bikes...hand raised. Yes, you can accommodate those possibilities with a 27.5 bike, but a 29er up front simply allows you to retain the awesome roll-over handling and speed in the gnar.
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 @zarban: You're the blame then! CRUCIFYYY!!!!
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 @hellbelly: yup it’s hilarious how mad people get at a change to something they never even tried. Had a few friends stuck in the 26” for life just now finally looking to 27.5” since they can’t get anything nice 26”. I imagine they’ll be blown away and then stuck on the 27.5” for life. Now people hating on MX without actually even trying a true purpose built MX. I’ve tried all three 27.5, 29 and mx of similar bikes and between 29 and 27.5 I preferred 27.5 since I’m not racing but damn was the megatower a close call cause it was still pretty fun. MX really keeps the fun of 27.5 and maybe even more so because you can really push the rear around on steep stuff and then the front just rolls over stuff. There’s a reason you don’t hear a lot of people saying I miss my 27.5 F after riding MX for a bit.
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 @Jesse221: The ability to accept that one's opinion might not be correct is something that most have lost in the daze of the severe polarization we exist in. As far as I'm concerned, everyone may ride whatever turns them on. As for my opinion beyond riding a MX full-suspension bike, I think 29ers are the way to go if you are racing, prioritize speed above all and especially if you are tall. My other bike is a 29er hardtail which is a place I think 29ers are the shiz above all. 26 for curmudgeons, dirt jumpers and maybe kids. Do yo thang. \m/
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 @Jesse221: Why are you such a downer on full 27.5? It may not be a suitable wheel size for you, but for many others it is. Not many people are complaining about MX or 29ers specifically, but rather that the option to run full 27.5 is gone. Why would a company do this if it could be done without compromise to performance and it is cost effective? From where I stand, as someone who does not work in this industry and has been biking for a very long time, it seems that companies are not providing the option to run full 27.5 due to some sort of future supply issues (ie, 27.5 forks), and/or they are trying to force people into a new trend to keep growing revenues. Would you feel good if you were forced to ride a bike that you did not like as much as another type? What would you say if they took away the MX or 29er wheel options? Choice is good for consumers, and forced obsolescence is a terrible thing on many fronts, especially if the product was excellent to begin with. People should be able to ride what they want, whether it be full 27.5, MX or 29er. In the areas that I usually ride I still see tons of full 27.5s.
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 @FatTail: Santa Cruz is and has always been a boutique brand and as such they are going make stuff they think is at the cutting edge of performance. There are always compromises is performance depending on how a bike is designed. SC obviously feels MX is the best for performance for the 5010, the Bronson and the Nomad now. That is how they sell them, but that doesn't mean you can't experiment. I'd think with a modicum of calculations you could run a 27.5 front wheel on any of those bikes if you want. Just b/c a company says not to do something doesn't mean that you can't experiment. Lawd knows I've over-forked tons of bikes and lived to tell. Furthermore, I don't believe it has anything to do with planned obsolescence. SC caught a ton of crap when they brought out the Bronson nearly ten years ago effectively killing 26ers in their line up. Everyone said the same things you are saying here. However, now just like then no one is forcing anyone to ride an MX bike. 27.5 bikes proved themselves back then and MX will likely do the same now. I've yet to meet anyone who wanted to go back to riding a 26er after riding a modern 27.5er or 29er (early 29ers sucked b/c of their horrid geometry which got fixed right about when 27.5 wheels showed up) and I believe that just about anyone that rides a new MX coming from a straight 27.5 bike will find the performance superior or at least equal.
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 @hellbelly: 'Boutique' is one of the biggest $5 words. If companies want to be really boutique they should take a leadership position and not be afraid to buck the trend once in a while, and also make products that are suitable for everyone. Back then SC really was boutique in my opinion. They are very good at providing parts for the long-term to keep bikes running, but at the industry level there seems to be bigger powers at work to get rid of full 27.5 and not provide it as an option at all.

As for the jump from 26, the marginal bike feel and performance increases were bigger and much different versus the jump from 27.5 to 29er or MX in my opinion, especially for sized medium and smaller riders. In so many videos I see riders fishtailing all the time on a MX and when they do jump it looks like the bar is up at their chins. Unfortunately for me, I just do not like the feeling of different sized wheels on flat or climbing terrain or up in the air, and I do not need the properties of a 29er on the way down. But, in addition to my enduro bike I have a short travel full 29er which I prefer for flat terrain, so for me, like many others, it's basically choosing what feels the best for the ride. Also unfortunate for me is that SC does make bikes that fit me very well and their quality and warranty are all top notch. I will be trying my best to keep my current ones working for as long as I can. Your modification suggestions are appreciated though.
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 @FatTail: not a downer on 27.5 as I actually preferred it over 29 but then try a modern MX and if done right they feel so damn close to MX with just a more stable steering and greater rollover it makes 27.5 pointless. My point is so many bashing MX and most have probably never even ridden one. I’ve been in this sport a long time now and see the same trends over and over of riders getting mad that their bike is now obsolete and it’s because the mean greedy bike companies are changing standards. Wether it be from 1 1/8 steerer tubes-1.5 or taper or from 26” - 27.5 everyone jumps on the hate train. Don’t like it good day for you you just saved a ton of money. Manufacturers did offer a choice and guess what 27.5 sales tanked so people spoke with their wallet and manufacturers responded. This isn’t just SC, I know Kona is ditching 27.5, Trek, Specialized, Ibis etc… I’m sure there’s someone out there that still loves there 1 1/8 threaded steered rigid bike just like some love their carburetor car but are you really going to get mad when a company doesn’t support your 1% of the industry?
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 It’s no coincidence this came out on Liz Truss’ first day in charge, she’s gonna make everything just a little bit more rubbish
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 Unaffordable is the word and it isnt because we will be swapping cheese for bikes!
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 The tories just released the wrong kind of LT model. Watch the UK go downhill even faster. The c*nts.
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 @BenPea: ha ha, very good
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 @alex-young: Hey, you've gotta laff (or revolt).
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 @BenPea: Bravo sir
  • 6 0
 Is it possible to go more downhill from Mr. "Sing Happy Birthday to yourself whilst washing your hands and stay inside, meanwhile I'm going to throw a massive rager"?
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 @nickfranko: Ask the one minister who can be trusted to hold her beer (which she was drinking from the wrong end obvs).
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flag greenblur (Sep 7, 2022 at 14:12) (Below Threshold)
 Lesson: don't give up your guns.

Embrace the suck, y'all earned it.
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 Barf over 5000$ for NX spec bike
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 Should actually be illegal to spec NX at that price
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 @kookseverywhere: the derailleur is made of paper maché
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 24 comments in and not one positive yet Big Grin

I've got a 2020 Megatower, the one before the leaking glovebox idea which I hate by the way and is the reason I won't get another. But the good parts - VPP rides amazing (obviously a matter of opinion, granted), it cost me no more than any other brand as I went for frame only (so I don't get the dentist comments), the build quality is rock solid - lower link is practically over-engineered (oxymoron), I can replace the frame bearings as often as I like TOTALLY FREE at the local bike shop - and it take me 10 minutes to remove the links to do so, refitting is the same time, the paint is still immaculate and it's had a reasonably hard life so far, the angles seem to be sorted to the extent that replacing it doesn't make any sense for another couple of years. all the really needed to do for the latest model is update the colours and stickers and not put the stupid glove box on it. But I still wouldn't buy one as the one I've got is fine
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 Bearings arent free, they are baked into the frame costs along with the costs of replacing the frame under warranty
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 Leaking glovebox?
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 @rodres: i reckon he lives in the UK where it rains and nicknamed the hole a glovebox which is pretty original
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 I’m with you, still on my first gen megatower and don’t see much reason to upgrade, lifetime bearing supply is a great idea. Their warranty is excellent aswell. Cracked a reserve rim and had a new one at my door within a week. Don’t really get all the Santa Cruz hate on pink bike every time they release a new model. The business model they use obviously works and I see plenty of their bikes across most category’s at the races I go to
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 @rodres: the place on the downtube that I'd use for sandwiches Smile
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 @CM999: either way, it's a good service
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flag Tambo (Sep 7, 2022 at 3:48) (Below Threshold)
 @andybloomer: how about they made the bearings last a number of years and sold cheaper frames with the same performance/quality? Surely that would be a better service? I get the allure of 'free', but the reality is that it should be a rare occurrence that they need to be replaced at all.
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 @andybloomer @Compositepro I do like the idea of having in-frame storage on my v4 5010, but for a 1k€ glovebox, it better not leak water into my bananas Big Grin
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 @CM999: At least you get the free bearings for life though! and there contained in the separate linkages which makes servicing a little easier.
Compared to some brands such as Transition who's frames cost virtually the same in the UK as SC ones.
Yet virtually every one I know who has bought one has had some part of there Carbon frame fail at a bonding location between the carbon and alloy bearing insert such as the bottom bracket or seat stay pivot point.
That's on top of the Fact the top end frames come fitted with new 2022 self destructing FOX X2 shoxs, LOL
My 2017 SC Bronson V2 is still going strong by the way. Where as my V2 Sentinel isn't.
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 @andybloomer: Not really its a simple enough job to swap them out yourself and would cost less than £100 to do it. Your going to get through a lot of sets before its worth the price premium
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 @wildthingdh1: How does that actually work? Presumably someone decides that the bearings are worn enough to justify replacing them or I would become like the syndicate riders and request new ones for every weekend :-)
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 @CM999: so your saying other manufacturers are overpriced then as they don't include free bearings. Trek, specialised and plenty of others cost the same as sc now. In some cases they are more than sc
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 @CM999: Well normally if you like most people when you start to get play in the back end of your bike you know your bearings are worn and need replacing.
If its just a slight knock when you lift on your saddle its your shock bushings generally.

Anyhow Santa Cruz lower link bearings are angular contact type on my bronson, so when you install the pivot you can adjust the bearing pre-load then lock it down with the pinch bolt.
So if your like me you regularly like to tinker with your bike you can keep making little adjustments, until that's no longer possibly and they will need replacing.
They also have a secondary shield and a grease port on the lower linkages on all there bikes which is a big bonus.
I installed my own grease port on my top linkage and removed the inner seals on the bearings to prolong the life of them to match the lower linkage bearings. As they will die long before the lower ones do, in the UK.
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 @Tambo: Unfortunately / "Fortunately LOL" the Bike companies don't make the bearings.
The bearings are from industrial applications, where all design aspects for the operational environments the bearing are subject too during its service are generally considered in the design layout. Therefore if in wet environments extra sealing is generally applied in the form of other seals to stop ingress of contaminates such as dirt and water reaching the bearings.
This is where the cycling industry in general falls well behind on compared to industry.
Companies like Santa Cruz, RAAW, Hope, and some others have made attempts to give some extra protection. But in general it sucks really.
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 @wildthingdh1: I'm not suggesting the bike companies make better bearings (or any bearings at all), I'm saying they should spec suitable bearings and seals for the environment they operate in and the loads they experience...plus all the housing tolerances etc that are needed to make bearings work as designed. Some bearings are specifically made for bike companies, so when they have control like that they should be able to do something pretty special
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 @Tambo: Ok miss under stood you.
You are absolutely correct, there really shouldn't be any reason why they couldn't get the large bearing manufactures to get on board with designing and manufacturing appropriate bearings and sealing solutions for the MTB market.
But its also just as easy for them to buy off the shelf radial bearings, which are designed for higher speed low load applications in general!, than it is to design stuff that lasts a long time. Otherwise what will they sell next year LOL.
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 @Tambo: the problem IME is a lot of the people dont/couldnt size or life a bearing despite the instructions on how to do so being in the back of the book couple this with third rate engineering degrees read people who know enough about tolerancing but not what happens to that under load and then the lowest cost denominator of making shit for the public and your wasting a lot of time engineering what essentially is a toy, that toy however now costs the same via the supply chain a s a premium sportsbike......the quality of bicycles is utter utter shit in my opinion ,that opinion and my own benchmark may be set too high its easier to just accept their crap but ok for purpose and thats irrelevant anyway people dont care about the best of the best of the best they want what the other cool bros are riding or had marketed into their brain
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 @Compositepro: Yes but you forget the computer simulations tell the engineers it works.
There test riders do short term rides and approve the product design, because yeah its different man, its got to be better.
Meanwhile the mechanic is stood in the background shaking his F@#king head thinking what the F#@k this crap.
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 @wildthingdh1:
The unfortunate thing is that mountain bikes aren’t put in any environments that are harsher than any industrial equipment experiences using the same wildly available and standardized bearing designs and sealing systems. The key difference with industrial equipment is the ability to design in additional sealing systems; lipseals, labyrinth seals, mechanical seals etc. mountain bikes could never realistically utilize these because A. Size and weight increases for said systems B. any of these sealing devices will introduce added friction; hurting suspension performance.
Being able to purge the grease to remove dirt and contamination via a grease nipple like on SC lower links is about the best option aside from classic sealed bearings.
As for bearing choice bike manufacturers have experimented with every major type that’s practical for mtb useage (deep groove, cylindrical roller, angular contact, needle, bushings) so theres not really much room for improvement here.

That being said I do think in the case of BB’s and headsets brands should look into packaging them with additional sealing systems like lipseals.
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 @Compositepro: they could at least start by selecting a bearing where the load rating is higher than the peak load the bearing will see in service - I think that would be a giant step! As an example, I'm yet to see a shock trunnion mount bearing who's load rating is greater than half the force required to bottom out the shock at a pressure that would suit a burly rider.
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 @Tambo: its been done before they copy that because it fitted that time round, wont try new stuff.... im past caring about bicycles im afraid they pay peanuts ....
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 @wildthingdh1: I replace mine when they start to feel stiff or graunchy. It’s a 5 minute job to drop the sock out and manually cycle the suspension to check. They don’t last until they have play in them
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 Your review is short but to the point, I like it.
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 I really dont get the bearing-thing?
90% of SC owners sell their bike for a New one before any bearing will need replacement.
Same as the lifetime warranty.
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 @brycepiwek: Agreed to a point, But i DID state that about application environments.
But I can assure you, us Brits ride in some pretty filthy conditions most of the time, its not all perfectly groomed trail centers with the odd puddle here and there.
And as someone who's been riding MTB since the 80's and is actually a Hands on Mechanical/ Electrical engineer in industry, there is always a sensible solution to a problem if your prepared to pursue it.
I've witness and seen along with many other older pinkbike Readers/ Riders the many designs and attempts applied by the MTB industry over years regarding all the different types of bushings, bearings and sealing ideas and solutions for all manner of the aspects of the bikes we ride.
But like I said.......
Santa cruz are able to do it mainly down to the fact they use linkages with which they can place a thin cross section lip seal within the bore the bearing sits.
RAAW Place a seal on all there Hardware Caps for example, as an extra shield.
Where many other brands simple don't or can't because like you state, its a bicycle and there is a limit on practicality of the design, which is in reality a poor excuse to be fair.

Regarding BB's and Headsets and Hubs, Back in the early days before the industry went all " AEROSPACE BEARINGS" bolloxs, and we had ball and cone designs, we use to see people/ companies putting grease ports on our bikes parts, the only problem with that is you ended up with about an extra 1 Lbs of grease weight on your bike LOL.
I even fitted grease ports to my first set of XT hubs I owned in 1992.

But at the end of the day it can be done, but it probably wont be done.
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 @Compositepro: they get monkies Smile
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 @wildthingdh1: out of curiosity what would you consider to be an acceptable “zero maintenance” bearing life mountain bike components?
Given the average length of ownership of most riders bikes (5yrs) and that alot of bikes are simply lacking good preventative maintenance, new “better” sealing tech might not make a worthwhile difference.
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 @brycepiwek: this is it you see. In the ever changing market environment for the next, newest and greatest performing mountain on how it rides/feels whilst you Ascend or Descend the mountain side in the fastest possible time.
It seems designers are constantly trying to push there Frames / products to perform better for those attributes alone, with little regard to preventative maintenance to prolong service life in my opinion.
As you quite rightly state, the average rider dose not own / or ride there current bike for many years until they want the next great new design to come along, so is it worth the investment to pursue.
On top of the fact mountain bikes are used all around the world in different environments, as we all know, so is there a need for extra sealing for someone who only rides in a dry dessert, should triple sealing be used for someone who rides in Scotland.

But as an engineer myself and someone who rides mountain bikes as a hobby every since i was a kid.
When it comes around to doing work on my bikes, or my friends bikes and you find pivot cartridge bearings full of crap and lumpy after only a couple of months use, and need replacing surely like me you have to question why not just engineer it properly.

Like many have pointed out, to come up with good designs that actually last, you have to get the basic engineering principles correct first, such as type of bearing, tolerances of said locations for bearings, extra sealing requirements. After all, manufactures love to tell you how many Nm stuff is recommend to be tightened on there hardware.
  • 2 0
 @Turboute: Their warranty is far from excellent. I am waiting for a replacement frame.... I submited it august 2021. All the time they have some BS excuse that they dont have frames. ONE FKIN YEAR.
  • 31 0
 Can’t wait to try this new 25.7” wheelsize
  • 5 1
 Knew 26 would be making a return soon!
  • 13 0
 @Tambo: unfortunately as it is the bike industry we will not be using 26, we will be using 25.91331 wheels and your stockpile of 26 parts will not be compatible
  • 3 0
 Now imagine if this wasn't a typo and Santa Cruz would unironically try to bring back 26" lol

"It's the best, trust me bro! SO nimble and playful on the jumps!"
  • 7 0
 @averagerug: nah mate, it's 25.7; says so in the article. 26 would be far too heavy and nowhere near stiff enough
  • 3 1
 @Tambo: you mean too much CoMpLiAnCe????? too much??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • 4 0
 @averagerug: not enough compliance and too stiff. Very sporty. So sporty. The most sporty. People were saying it's the sportiest.
  • 1 0
 @Tambo: I'm building one for my next rig. Hello Banshee!?!?
  • 3 0
 @Muscovir: Unironically, a purpose built 27.5/26 mullet 5010, that actually sounds quite fun to me.
  • 28 0
 Pricing: TDB = Tons of Bloody Dollars?
  • 23 0
 Another one bites the dust, the 5010 was fine being a 27.5 jib-machine. I rode SC's for years. They have always been good bikes, but their hay day of sweet color schemes (2015 Miami Vice Nomad and John Deer green Bronson), solid build spec for the money, cutting edge geo, and this "Metal" kind of approach to marketing, but this has been replaced by huge price increases on already pricey and odd build kits, geo that falls in line with whatever Specialized is doing, and pretty ho-hum drab paint jobs. In a sense, the brand has lost it's edge I think. I am sure the bikes ride well and are still quality, but they just don't do it for me, and some other buddies of mine who used to ride them. I suppose when you have to impress share holders and keep people happy, your brand just isn't the same. But.... there are other brands carrying that torch now of building drool worthy, well spec'd, aggressive geo, and rad company image's these days, and bikes are great, so I'll stop whining now.
  • 5 1
 Transition took the torch from SC
  • 25 1
 SC out here on a mission to fuck up every bike in their lineup.
  • 21 0
 One of the last "fun" 27.5 bikes is dead. Boooo to Santa Cruz. Lots of options for Mullet bikes, you couldn't leave one 27.5 bike alone?
  • 21 0
 Is it wrong to ride a girls bike ? as that Juliana looks very nice.
  • 32 0
 A mate once mentioned to me he was going to get ‘one of those Julianas’ as he liked the colours. I pointed out they were girls bikes and he ended up getting the Santa Cruz instead

To this day pointing that out is one of my biggest regrets
  • 9 0
 Nope, they are even cheaper most of the time at the buy/sell section :-)
  • 11 0
 They are exactly the same frame with a different paint job and stickers. The shock tune is lighter and if you buy a full bike the build, and more specifically the contact points will be different and more designed for women. Shorter cranks, bar width etc. Also I think they go down to an XS size, but dont go as big in frame size as the Santa Cruz equivalents. Absolutely no reason for a man not to ride one, especially if you just buy a frame and send the shock off for a re-tune.
  • 8 0
 Scott has occasionally had far better colours on its Contessa range. Not right now though, all their current colour options are pants.
  • 3 0
 With Giant/Liv, they actually change geometry and components. With most brands, like Santa Cruz, they seem to just change colors. You're probably fine with the Juliana.
  • 1 0
 @Mac1987: I dont think the do a xxl in Julianas for 14 stone somethings Smile
  • 9 18
flag Azonicds (Sep 7, 2022 at 3:48) (Below Threshold)
 I heard that the julianas ship with both tampons and manpons in the glovebox.
  • 1 0
 I was thinking the same, that colour is lovely. It's a bit like the Hightower 2 where the Juliana's red colour scheme was by the the nicest.
  • 11 0
 The Juliana color scheme is gorgeous. I don't know why Santa Cruz is so dedicated to weird, clashing color combinations and ugly browns.

(Also, buy whatever bike you want, assuming the lighter shock tune will work for you. Inanimate objects don't have genders).
  • 1 0
 @korev: Betamtb called it " Hot tomato " Ive watched that review far to many times
  • 6 0
 Considering we're not in the 1950s, you can ride whatever you want, you can share your feelings, and you can tell your children you love them.
  • 1 0
 @boozed: pants? that's gotta be the best insult I've heard all day.
  • 2 0
 @charliewentoutside: because it has to match your Tacoma
  • 24 3
 Dull, bland, ininspired, tedious, uncreative.
  • 33 0
 Worst Tinder profile ever
  • 12 0
 Insubordinate. And churlish.
  • 21 1
 R.I.P 5010.
  • 20 2
 santa cruz bronson with extra steps and less capability
  • 17 2
 It's been many years coming, but has the bubble really burst for Santa Cruz?
  • 21 1
 I think the bubble is going to burst for a fair few companies as people tighten their belts and decide they would rather pay for electricity and warmth than Halo products for recreation
  • 6 0
 I bet in the last 3 years they have sold the most bikes they have ever before. Might not last forever.
  • 1 0
 @rockyflowtbay: nope but they have priced like it will. The bike market is softening quickly
  • 15 1
 I bet they call this the AXS model despite the dropper being non AXS
  • 12 0
 Isn't the 5010 a jib bike? Not everything needs a 29er. This just looks like another cookie cutter trail bike.
  • 9 0
 I feel so compelled to get a 27.5 model now. End of an era boys...

I wonder what wheel trend will be next when mullet kinda fades away into obscurity. Feel like everyone will be on bland 29ers and all the freeride/jib riders will be hacking away at old bikes and be seen as super 'cool' for running 27 the same way we see people as legends if they're running a 26er down DH tracks.
  • 5 1
 the freeride pro's all ride custom 27/26 mullets that are unobtainable for normal people, while promoting their brands 29'er mullet only bullshit
  • 2 0
 @luckynugget: they're not really unobtainable. You just need to build / buy a 26" wheel with the right hub spacing. It drops the BB about 8-10mm. Any bike with a flip chip should be good to go in high/steep mode, and other bikes may need shorter cranks. Long-shocking may be an option as well.
  • 13 2
 Way to go SC and Pon. You have ruined another classic bike by getting rid of full 27.5.
  • 2 3
 get a 20mm longer fork and 27.5 wheels i might do that lowk idk but that sounds dope af
  • 4 0
 @Themanicguy: sweet same bike but extra 1500$ to set it up in a way that isn't limiting as f*ck for anything other than enduro trails
  • 1 0
 @luckynugget : idk, i got an jeffsy and acaually sold my front fork and wheels and came out with profit. Even then i ended up selling it for full 275 but it was still fun af
  • 10 2
 Where's that sporty haircut? It looks pretty much the same as 'other' models and same as previous gen models. SC overpassed VW in boringness of their lineup. I have literally no clue at what model I am looking at.
  • 4 0
 Mullet. It used to be a hairstyle. You're welcome.
  • 2 1
 @BenPea: had me confused, because I didn't associate mullets with sport... Can we drop the sporty cliché now, please? It's approaching being meaningless at a rapid rate...
  • 6 0
 @Tambo: Does the phrase "business at the front, party at the back" not help in any way at all?
  • 2 0
 @Tambo: Chris Waddle?
  • 1 1
 @BentonFraser: that's the closest to a direct association between the hairstyle and sports...I did have to Google who he is though lol
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: I've got a local trail named Ladypants (right next to Beans and Franks) that recently got renamed Mullet.
  • 3 0
 @ThatOneGuyInTheComments: it's also a fish with large lateral front fins.
  • 1 0
 @ThatOneGuyInTheComments: It's a pretty damn good trail too!
  • 11 0
 Lol Santa Cruz you are absolute clowns
  • 11 1
 Overpriced, as usual and as F...
  • 12 2
 Santa Cruz release a bike, time to get grumpy
  • 2 0
 It's been a while since we've had an Orange or Pole to slag off, let's hope we get some soon for our Daily Hate...
  • 10 1
 So many comments and not a single one of them positive. You done screwed up, Santa Facepalm
  • 18 5
 the fanboys in the USA arent awake yet i usually come back at about 2 ish to see the rage my comment has made and the 12 or so little wankers that consistently follow me round now downvoting anything, donated bone marrow yep ill downvote that.....
  • 6 2
 They will still sell everyone they make so wont care what the PB commenters say
  • 9 2
 @Compositepro: Indeed they will get all patriotic about their bike made in the Far East
  • 3 3
 @CM999: but are they real bikers buying them or ya know wannabe bikers this is the age of do i really want people thinking im a.........by association of brand lol
  • 4 1
 @Compositepro: You fill out the "Hurt Feelings" report. That should sort it :-)
  • 2 1
 @GeneralGroovus: Surely there should be an app by now.
  • 10 2
 The brand that loves to suck up the suckers each and every new model year for 0.0000000001% updated so called features.

Hmmmm lemme ponder on that- haha
  • 3 1
 Relax, satan
  • 15 5
 Remember Plus tires? The Mullet will meet the same fate.
  • 3 0
 plus tires were over hyped, but they had their place. I learned to ride on plus tires and i can confidenly say it helped me sm.
  • 2 3
 Yo Bucket,

What timeline is your prediction for? Plus's hung out for one year as I recall.

Wanna bet?

Not a chance shorter UCI World Cup DH racers will be back on 27.5/27.5's. They are already choosing not to ride 29/29.

Mullet as an option is here to stay, in pretty much every category bar XC.
  • 5 0
 @GeneralGroovus: I should have been more specific. I can see it continuing to be a thing in DH, especially for the steeper courses. For the day-to-day trail/XC rider, the primary target for a 5010, no way.
  • 8 1
 You could make this even more jibby by running a longer fork with a 27.5 front wheel. Or better yet, buy the old model second-hand from a dentist.
  • 2 0
 if you really wanna go broke have 2 diffrent front forks, one for 29 and one for 27.
  • 4 0
 Ah my favourite combo, short seat tube lengths and a short dropper. Nothing looks or works better than having your dropper post halfway up your arse when it’s all the way down.

If only someone would invent droppers that were 180+ in length.

Apart from that it looks great.
  • 1 1
 I guess you missed that a few companies make 190, 200, and 210 droppers.
  • 4 0
 interesting that this (appears to) share a similar "lack of sensitivity" that has been observed w/ the megatower. curious what's going on with the kinematics of the platform that imparts this characteristic. just a standard vpp thang?
  • 2 1
 Super Deluxe air crap tune + possibly too much anti-squat.

People coil thier MT and says it rides better. SC making a point to say they lowered AS....
  • 7 2
 As a taller woman I'd have to buy the Santa Cruz even though the Juliana is prettier...oh wait..buy a Santa Cruz/Juliana....perhaps if I didnt need my kidneys!
  • 8 2
 what other fun short travel 27,5 fun bikes are out there, other than Spesh? want weed box and both wheels small.
  • 5 0
 pivot new shadowcat. it's 140 so not exactly short but it looks really fun.
  • 4 0
 Ibis mojo
  • 5 0
 Spesh has no 27.5 bikes either, these brands are so disconnected from any sort of freestyle riding.
  • 5 0
 Nukeproof still making 275 Reactors. Banshee Spitfire. Trek might shit out some 2020 Remedys and call them 2023 models. Bird Aries7 Yeti SB140
  • 3 0
 @greenblur: that will be my shopping list next time I need a frame.
Shadowcat is going to be a cult classic
  • 7 0
 31 dollars is a steal but i wish bikes were still full 27.5
  • 6 0
 "There's a flip chip, but it requires an allen key and an appreciation for subtlety." haha, good line.
  • 6 1
 Bike industry, as a whole, is uninspired and overpriced... not defending SC at all... just saying there's a massive lack of imagination and innovation... they've hit a wall.
  • 4 0
 Yep for decades bikes were changing dramatically every year. Now the geo is dialed and there hasn't been a gamechanger in years like the 1x12 drivetrain or dropper post. Perhaps you could call the e-mountain bike a gamechanger, but it appeals to a very niche group of mtbers.
  • 3 0
 The lines are drawn for what works and innovation is going to die down quite a bit. I think we hit peak bikes in 2019/2020 and now everything released is going to be tiny tweaks
  • 5 2
 This happened in pistols.

Glock was innovative 30 years ago.

Everyone caught up.

Now there are pistols just as good as a Glock for cheaper. And ones that are better and more expensive. Literally one basic pistol design and price points from $300-$2000.

Just pick the one you like and can afford and you'll probably be happy.
  • 7 0
 Another bike killed off by a 29 inch wheel. Sad day
  • 5 0
 And with that, the transition to wanker chariot brand of choice for Santa Cruz is complete. $10k for a low-mid spec trail bike produced in China is absolute insanity.
  • 4 0
 Nice it see an aluminum option... Although I'd be more interested in a Nomad aluminum option if I was looking at the Santa Cruz line
  • 2 0
 "The bike has the same internal cable routing, frame protection, and UDH compatibility as the last version, though it comes with Santa Cruz's own version of the derailleur hanger."

What's the point of UDH if it's not universal? Does the off-the-shelf version fit the frame?
  • 5 0
 Off the shelf udh still fits they just make a santa cruz branded udh
  • 5 1
 Nah. That just means that they don't use the cheaply made nylon version of UDH that you can buy from SRAM. They probably make their version of the UDH out of aluminium, like Norco does. The derailleur hanger itself is exactly the same though. There's no difference besides the material it is made from.
  • 6 5
 @Muscovir: the SRAM one is aluminium too...
  • 2 0
 @Tambo: the SRAM one is made of more than one material. Nylon and Aluminium. though I don't know why and what part is made out of which material.
  • 1 1
 @Spencermon: admittedly I've never had one in my hand, but judging from the CAD model they supply it must be aluminium hanger and bolt with a nylon washer. CAD reports 32g if I apply aluminium density, but actual weight is ~28g.
  • 1 1
 @Spencermon: you pick what you want to make it out of i machined a load of these when trek ran out over the pandemic and they were all Ali including the washer though they did ask for them in nylon too
  • 2 1
 @Compositepro: yeah. They can be made out of any material, but the one that SRAM manufactures is two materials. The area of the part that the derailleur attaches to is metal. This goes up around the thru axle, but the other threads that allow it to sandwich the frame dropout, as well as the end-cap interface are plastic. honestly don't know why they make it that way, but thats just what they did.
  • 7 1
 Should’ve been a mullet but in the 27.5/26 direction.
  • 3 0
 thadd be dope
  • 3 1
 I own a 27.5 DH bike.
I own a Mullet Specialized Status
I own a Trek Fuel EX9.8 full 29.

They all ride differently, because they're all different, not just because of the fork/wheel combo, but generally too. Out of the 3, the Mullet is the one that's 'different' but is it different because of the wheels being different sizes, or just because it's different... who knows.
  • 2 0
 I'm pretty sure that your Specialized Status feels more "Different" because of the short rear end. 426mm is pretty short for chainstay length, according to most of the reviews I've read.
  • 1 0
 I have a bike stable. But imo the Status feels very different. I don't think the mullet is to blame, I think it's just a bit of a Grim Doughnut. The geo is a bit whacky all around.
  • 7 0
 mullet....pass
  • 7 5
 Apparently I’ll be the opposition here in welcoming this bike. I’m looking for a capable short travel ride built for dual duty. I’m firmly between medium and large sizes and find a tough balance between stretching out too far on a 29er with longer modern reach and wheelbase. Also trouble keeping a tight corner on a dedicated 29. I’m curious to try the MX to see if this particular niche works for me and at the end of the day it’s fun to try something new. Crazy to see Santa Cruz bagged for consistently producing quality, tight and clean bikes. Ride characteristics and preferences aside, hard to fault a brand that lands consistently in the boring and reliable middle ground.
  • 5 0
 Problem is the pricing is just absurd.

Compare the Stumpjumper Expert (X01 build) which is $8500CAD to the 5010 X01 build.... $10,900CAD for extremely similar build. Thats insane
  • 3 0
 @arrowheadrush: add to that Specialized has quietly come out with a MX link for the (non-evo) Stumpjumper.
  • 3 1
 I'm not sure about the 29er up front but maybe it makes sense. Most people I see on a 5010 are riding it like a fun XC-ish bike anyways, not sure I've seen a man on one for a couple years actually. The Jib bros/LadyBros/Awesome riders are on a proper Transition Scout or something like that and its usually aluminum. I do think the lack of a 27.5 Fox 34 etc have pushed this decision significantly of course. I remember wondering last year "What happens to the 5010/Mojo4 now that there is no Fox short travel 27.5 fork?"

I'm not a huge SC fan but cheers to them for investing the $$$ for chainstay molds to making freaking SIX different chainstay molds for each of their sizes! As a guy on the XL side of bikes but also with grom kids...right sized chainstays is a good thing. There aren't many brands doing a legit six unique sizes!
  • 4 0
 According to Stif Cycles in the UK, £5,300 for the base spec. Yikes.

www.stifmtb.com/collections/santa-cruz-5010/products/santa-cruz-5010-carbon-c-r-kit
  • 7 0
 Disappointing….
  • 3 0
 I’m all for flip chips and adjustability but what in the hell is the point of that added complexity for 3mm bb height and a measly .3* HTA change? Go look at that 3mm on a ruler and you’ll laugh I guarantee it.
  • 2 0
 You can't charge what Santa Cruz charge whilst also making a bike that appeals to the customer base of a full 27inch 5010. By going mullet they are likely to still capture a fair amount of that market, what little of it that can afford an SC, but they also can sell the bike to 30 and 40 (and 50) year old shredders that want something that's a nimble trail bike. Personally I hate this, and will be getting a deposit onto a Yeti SB140 before someone comes along and ruins that too.
  • 5 0
 15% increase in price? I guess I'll just slap a 29er on my current 5010...
  • 4 0
 Price: 31.0 lbs / 14.1 kg ... so about an arm and a leg, checks out Santa Cruz
  • 6 0
 Thanks I hate it
  • 3 0
 Would be cool if Santa Cruz made frames available of current models instead of introducing a new model every month, and not being able to supply shops with frames........
  • 1 0
 My god, this. I just want a new Highball can they just release something that already works and make the color not puke green and call it a day?
  • 3 0
 Frame is $4,100 USD. $8,400 USD for the GX AXS, which sports a mid-grade frame, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, and has aluminum wheels. WTAF....
  • 2 0
 Literally not a single "high-end" part in the package. Very ho hum build that's going to be pushing $10k after tax, decent pedals, and swapping out the POS non-AXS Reverb dropper. People don't mind paying that much for actual halo-tier stuff, but they aren't going to do it for a GX/Select+ bike. No way.
  • 4 2
 Enough of Santa Cruz already..Santa Cruz sucks overcrowded tweakers everywhere trails are short and overrated there bikes suck overpriced overcrowded lineups in and out of the water..but everyone just keeps sucking
  • 5 0
 What happened in SC bud
  • 5 0
 Love the implication that a company that makes bikes should be responsible for policy decisions made by a city, state, and country that are driving issues in Santa Cruz the place. Take your meds king.
  • 1 0
 Is this just a Talboy front triangle and a 5010 rear triangle? They are taking their sweet time milking the Santa Cruz fanboys. Bet the plan is to make all the frames 29ers 3 years from now.
130 (5010), 140 (talboy), 150 (bronson), 160 (Hightower), 170 (nomad), 180 (megatower), 190 (….), 200 (v10)
  • 1 0
 They’ll probably ruin the tallboy as well.
  • 2 1
 V10 is 215mm thank you very much
  • 2 1
 @Solorider13: front is still 200mm idgaf or if you want to be technical Karen 203mm
  • 2 2
 @kroozctrl: so you think fork travel is what frame manufacturers use to advertise the rear travel of their bikes? The world must be a confusing place for you.
  • 2 0
 @Solorider13: I don't claim anything, Karen. When you think DH bike you think 200mm+. not scrounging for scratch, "well actually its 215mm" cool story bro. you ask anyone at a bike park. they see a V10, session, dark matter, gambler, etc. they think 200mm+. You statement is equivalent to to a Karen who wouldn't allow a ridder on an e bike on the trail even though he's a paraplegic. I know you know the video. Unless that v10 were 300mm with a super monster T up front, Idgaf.

this is semantic, "V10 is 215mm thank you very much" crying for attention. come back when when you grow up.
  • 1 1
 @kroozctrl: you are awfully butthurt about that comment. You must be popular on facebook
  • 2 1
 Wow the 5010 gets one 29 inch wheel, one more and it'll be a real bike! I used to have a 5010 when I was still confused on wheel size, it was a great bike for sure but I just preferred my 29er bikes so I went that way. Good too see 27.5 isn't dead, just where it counts, when your front wheel has to be able roll over shit.
  • 1 0
 Question: Are their CC frames superior to brands like Ibis, Forbidden, Yeti and other boutique brands? Or, is it the equivalent and the C frames are not as good as these other brands? Because it must be one or the other right?
  • 3 0
 Santa cruz is out of ideas... charge double, check, mullets for no reason, check, at least the paints not from grandmas pastel collection or shades of brown.
  • 1 0
 I know everything got more expensive due to covid and whatnot, but holy f*ck, $5300 for an R build? That's almost 30% more than I paid for my R build V3 model. Guess I won't be buying any new SC's in the future. I recently bought a decked out used, but in mint condition, Heckler MX CC for $6k. There's quite a few other bikes I'd rather put that money towards that are more versatile IMO.
  • 1 0
 Sometime around, say July 3rd 2015, Santa Cruz took a turn from being a design and ‘rider experience’ focused company to being a marketing, branding, and sales focused company.

I have owned 3 really nice Santa Cruz bikes between then and now (the first being a 27.5lb, 27.5in wheeled 5010 V2 which was a ton of fun) but I’ve moved on to smaller brands that I find more interesting, more fairly priced, and who I would generally prefer to give business to.

When I look at SC prices and models these days, it leans very much toward the ‘let’s design just a couple of really good bikes, offer them in lots of subtle variations so we can release new bikes often, and keep the R&D + cost of production down. Let’s also use one component manufacturer for pretty much all the parts so we get maximum bulk discounts there. While we are at it, look at how much Yeti is charging… hold my beer.”

Do they still make excellent bikes? Of course. Are there more models than anyone might possibly need? Probably.
Does this all add up to increased revenues… definitely.
Rant over Smile
  • 3 0
 I presume the glove box leaks like the mega tower one as I dont suppose they have changed the design
  • 3 0
 With this new release the gap between the 5010 and the Tallboy get thinner than ever..
  • 6 1
 Why is this a thing?
  • 4 0
 Rip 27.5 as a front wheel.
  • 2 1
 Real missed opportunity to double down on the "fun" marketing concept and go mini-mullet with a 26" rear wheel... Now that's fun.
(and here's how I know: m.pinkbike.com/photo/23317449)
  • 6 2
 Friends don't let friends buy into forced trends.
  • 4 0
 9 grand for a 30lb trail bike lmao. Get the fek outta here!
  • 1 0
 I'm not so sure about the big wheel part, but I am glad to see Aluminum back in the line up. This is not a race bike, its a play bike, never made sense to me for it to be only offered in carbon.
  • 1 1
 It's so frustrating how there are no other mountain bikes available to buy at different prices from other companies. If only there was, we would exercise our own choice, buy them and not complain about this particular brand so much.
  • 2 2
 I think the decision to go MX was a good one for 5010. The market for full-27.5 jibbing bike at this price range was probably quite small, since the majority will buy a dirt/street bike for a fraction of a price. Now in the MX form it appeals to downcountry and trail bike folks who are looking for an agile short travel bike and don't want full-29.
  • 1 0
 Why is everything switching to mullets and 29ers? Like come on, the 5010 was one of the last 27.5 SC bikes, if you want a mullet there’s the Bronson, why do you have to cannibalize a perfectly good bike?
  • 4 0
 31lb lol
  • 9 5
 Another boring SC
  • 4 0
 23 000 $ what a bargain
  • 4 0
 Dampened=Damped?
  • 3 0
 She said "comfortable and aggressive geo"
  • 3 0
 It has a hole in the frame. That added weight. Interesting...
  • 5 2
 imagine actually buying a santa cruz
  • 1 2
 local bike shops must be getting crushed stocking these bikes. not enough turnover or margin in bike sales to justify stocking these at $7-10k/pop. in a way the Specialized DTC model probably works for LBS’s not having to blow tons of working capital in this environment.
  • 1 0
 Surely SC could make 1 bike that changes travel front and rear between 100-180 mm....Electronic Suspension would be it even easier...
  • 2 0
 Just as well available as gas from Russia?
  • 3 1
 Juliana bikes get nicer colors, but ugly graphics. Great choice
  • 4 2
 .... and still a very slack actual seat angle. Pass....
  • 7 9
 Everybody complaining about pricing: go and get a used one. I bought my used MT frame and Reverse wheelset at half the price and didn't regret it yet. Although I won't get lifetime guarantee, it's still high end quality, linkage bearings are easy to service and cheap to get online. And everybody complaining about the frame design: it just works. Compared to the old design where the damper was closer to the top tube, I have less problems with bearings getting loose, frame is much stiffer. My Reverse wheelsets (no matter if 27,5 or 29) have managed so much heavy impacts in the last years and are still running true.
  • 2 2
 Everyone. Combining about pricing should go and buy a motorcycle when a bicycle makes a ducati panigale look like a VFM proposition something is broken
  • 9 1
 Exactly bro, same thing with energy, all these haters moaning about high electricity prices should buy second hand
  • 1 0
 @alex-young: unless you really can afford both....
  • 2 2
 Can I buy some of your 2nd hand electricity or gas???
@alex-young:
  • 8 1
 @gcrider: yes, thank you, you’ve explained the joke
  • 3 0
 Ive seen plenty of reserves crack. The warranty is speedy. Price wise its just not comparable. Its significantly more than yeti or pivot w/ same spec.

And the 5010 is just not a mullet. It was supposed to be a play/trail bike. The only reason for a big front wheel is to go faster. It definitely loses agility when jumping and tossing it around
  • 1 0
 Cost 'TBD'.....they are weighing what $ they can get away with and how much they can swindle their cult for.
  • 8 7
 Hey, Santa Cruz, half of these interclowns don't have a clue, pour a drink and have a laugh at the comments.
  • 3 2
 Santa Cruz…. The only frame you need to read the name on to identify what it is.
  • 4 1
 That’s a bit harsh. All the evil bikes look the same too
  • 5 1
 I kinda prefer a company not changing every second. My bike doesn’t look old after 2 years and they trust their platform.
  • 2 4
 Can we please start calling Mullet bikes "non-safety" bikes?

I quote form the highly regarded Wikipedia: "Safeties are now characterized by having two wheels of identical – or nearly identical – size, and a chain-driven rear wheel."
  • 6 3
 27.5/29 are nearly identical... they can be effectually the same based on tire choices.

Motion denied.
  • 2 0
 We all new it was coming! Santa Cruz in 2022
  • 2 0
 As long as macaskill had more rollover capability with his hand bike
  • 1 0
 GG Shred Dog is full 27.5 and 130 rear travel for the haters. Loads cheaper too. #partybike
  • 2 0
 Call it the "Sharkjumper"
  • 2 0
 I don't want to carry two tubes, can I get one with two 27.5 wheels?
  • 2 0
 It’s not a tube purse! it’s European!
  • 1 0
 behold another made in china "boutique" for price of handmade in house european boutique
  • 1 0
 hey folks, hey SC -> what is the frame weight (Large, w/o shock). thanks.
  • 1 0
 That is the amount of flesh you have to pay to own it.
  • 2 2
 Trek and Santa Cruz has some sort of competition in making bikes look the same across the full-suspension model range?
  • 5 0
 if it works, why change it?

They do have a different suspension design on the Blur, where VPP would have been an overkill.
  • 3 0
 They just have resources to put out a lot of models. For instance, check out how similar Yeti's look from 115 to 165.
  • 2 1
 An iPhone looks like an iPhone. A Porsche looks like a Porsche. Kinda makes sense as a company.
  • 1 0
 @f00bar: Long live the BLUR!
  • 2 1
 In-Frame Storage - my wet dream...
  • 1 0
 Are the prices in lbs. sterling?
  • 2 1
 Santa cruz has lost most of its rich boys to E orbeas.
  • 3 2
 Mullets are simply excellent!!
  • 3 2
 29ers are for people who cant do pushups
  • 1 0
 Is this why my forks low speed compression feels open when closed? My 2018 RC2 damper i ran 4 off closed and it was awesome. This new soft BS ....
  • 1 0
 This bike should habe been tested again it's predecessor...
  • 1 0
 10k for a 30+ pound trail bike …. Yikes
  • 1 0
 I dunno but all the wheel sizes are purdy fun I think
  • 1 0
 Best set of comments in a long time!
  • 2 2
 Boy, if that rear wheel was a 29 they'd have a pretty sweet bike there.
  • 2 3
 Why not 29er at the rear? This is making me think 29ers are not ideal, and have peaked.
  • 2 1
 Does it have a motor?
  • 1 0
 ONE MILLION POUNDS
  • 3 4
 wanna bet this will be back to 2x27,5 for next gen?
  • 1 3
 Ffs an orange bike?
  • 3 0
 At least it's not DVO green.
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