Nina Hoffman Breaks Collarbone in Worst Crash of Her Life

Jul 3, 2021 at 11:44
by Alicia Leggett  

Nina Hoffman posted today on Instagram that she broke her collarbone going over the bars on a road gap on the Les Gets downhill course. She did not want to hit it, she said, and she tried to roll it but went too fast and crashed "down the road gap." She said it was the worst crash of her life. "After my crash, we thought everything could be damaged in my upper body. My whole back is hurting, my neck is hurting, my ribs are pretty painful..."

After qualifying fourth yesterday, her injury happened in practice and she did not start her race run today.

She said she was "out for like five minutes" and it's not clear whether she meant she was on the ground incapacitated or unconscious.

We wish Nina all the best in her recovery and hope to see her back on the bike soon.

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  • 118 20
 Isn't that 2 "worst crash of their life" crashes on this road gap now?

I'm not one to say that tracks should be easier or dumbed down but maybe this thing needs to be looked at for next year.
  • 53 2
 Both the leogang gap and this one don't have the greatest run ins plus les gets one lands in a 90 degree turn. Big features are good but need to be planned a bit better i think
  • 58 4
 Agreed, there is a difference between hard and dangerous. Big gaps, sends and hucks are fine, but if the take off is literally off a corner then there may need to be some re-consideration.
  • 7 0
 @gmcc: it’s ok to do a gap like that on a toboggan in snow, not at a World Cup level
  • 50 2
 especially because they then dont even show it on the broadcast. so a lot of risk for "nothing" ...
  • 26 35
flag ryanniker (Jul 3, 2021 at 13:02) (Below Threshold)
 lets just make the tracks open and faster with bigger wheels as well NO IT WORLD CUP DH ITS HARD IT rains sometimes we need more tech and steep in DH
  • 53 0
 That blew my mind - literally the thing I wanted to watch these Pros hit at speed but there wasn’t a single camera on it(?). WTF
  • 28 31
 How? They get tons of practice runs and know what they are doing. It’s a dangerous sport. If it was part of an EWS course where they barely get to see the course, sure I would agree. Not the case here at all.
  • 21 16
 @stubs179: no sense reasoning with these gapers brother, there are clearly a lot of them judging by the amount of downvotes on any comment that says the features are fine.

Hopefully track design is based on RIDER most of the top end had zero negativity toward the track.
  • 12 0
 @phuq: I guarantee they didn’t show it in broadcast in case someone had a bad crash on it. They are lucky they didn’t just broadcast Wilson murdering himself.
  • 4 6
 @gmcc: The turn is the bigger problem imho. I know I got a concussion on a much smaller drop that also went into a turn just because of that.
  • 3 1
 Yeah for sure. Someone also almost got hit by a car during practice. @gmcc:
  • 1 0
 @phuq: exactly
  • 2 0
 Course designers:
  • 19 3
 There was an option to ride around it guys
  • 2 1
 @bulletbassman: Wilson murdered himself? Was this a Friday Fail or a Saturday Send? I'd like to know the total number of jumps vs injury-causing crashes for practice, quali, race...2500:1? When does the ratio become dangerous? Rampage seems like a better ex-sample
  • 1 0
 @Blownoutrides: EXACTLY!! Whats more frustrating is that there WAS camera angles on that feature but only started showing it for the last 8 riders.
  • 5 0
 Having stood next to it yesterday it was quite mind blowing how narrow the landing zone was. Literally all Backwerks landed on 1m^2 of dirt. But most crashes I’ve seen we’re on the run in with its off camber roots into a compression into a washout turn that lead to the blind drop which points to the woods. But with women racing you could see the B line or even the a bit faster small drop cost you 5 seconds according to my stopwatch. So yes you can go around it but you just won’t win the race then
  • 3 0
 They should keep the road gap and put an easier line down the side.
  • 11 4
 Not being sexist here, but if basically the whole women's field isn't comfortable hitting the gap, they should just tape it off for their race, then it is fair for all competitors and no risk. It shouldn't be a case of only one or two women are prepared to do it and they automatically gain 5 sec... Last time in Les Gets they had that other big jump that blew out Rachel's ankle...
  • 2 0
 @SonofBovril: that’s a good point. If they are “prepared to do it” rather than hitting it as a matter of course that implies it’s above their level... changing it would seem like a reasonable action.
  • 8 2
 For those that are complaining that this is top level sport, suck it up, have a look at the raw footage. It's got a really slippery run in, that's hard to carry speed on, will easily put you off line, and the landing is tiny, with a drop and trees behind the berm. You have to commit for the race run, but a tiny error will see a painful crash. At the minimum there needs to be ski style catch fencing behind the berm, and the chicken run needs to be rider's right, so it can be bailed to
  • 4 0
 @mountainsofsussex: Yeah you're right. It's a shit jump. Fine in the dry but shite in the wet. They should have changed it given the conditions.
  • 4 0
 @Blownoutrides: Unbelievable they did not have a camera on that or even speak of that section the whole race. No excuse.
  • 2 0
 That’s what you get if Red Bull runs the show
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There was no trees behind the berm just lovely blueberries bushes, yet next to the berm were trees Big Grin Fencing would have made things no better it wasn’t steep or so after the landing. And really you could ride the drop slow as many did and it didn’t cost you that much.
  • 1 0
 @ReeferSouthrland: they definitely had a big camera there why they didn’t show it idk. But the did. was hauling it all day in the rain
  • 1 0
 @ESKato: perhaps a big air bag on the road. The freestyle learner bag thing that you land tricks in.
  • 1 0
 And two serious concussions, get well.
  • 1 1
 @jaame: there was a chicken line
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 @savmeister: it was off to the rider's left and looked a nightmare to get to, as the course tried to drag riders to the right
  • 45 10
 I am starting to wonder whether Downhill is going the way of Group B Rally. So many severe injuries. Also get well soon Nina.
  • 43 3
 Specially for the amount of money riders are payed,risk is way too high.
  • 16 5
 Personally I wouldn't class a broken collarbone as a severe injury in DH, an awful lot of riders have done it (Pompon 6 times). I agree with you regarding the healing vibes to Nina though.
  • 6 0
 @commental: I don’t think MHcell was mentioning collarbones specifically, but maybe more of the spine and leg/hip injuries we’ve seen in many racers over the last 10 years. Do you have rods, plates, and screws in your body?
  • 12 0
 @Tarka: Yes. I snapped my femur in 2 places while riding. I also fractured 3 vertebrae in another crash. Turns out this shit can be dangerous.
  • 2 3
My god man, DH racing has been taking people out since the 90's and every year some yahoo "Its getting so severe". You must be new here?
  • 1 1
That is kind of true. I only got back into riding more and watching the races last year (was mostly rock climbing the last years). And in every race the commentators are rattling of a list who is back from injury and who is currently out due to injury. I wonder whether that is sustainable. When I was younger I also considered the risk almost an appeal of the sport. But views change.
  • 32 0
 KO'd for 5 minutes is a terrible injury for the brain...Fuck that gap
  • 27 2
 The track was awesome for the most part, but i think most of the riders would agree that the jumps were a bit shit. Simple as that really. That roadgap had a sketchy run in and a steep, short landing into a high speed corner, no wonder it claimed victims. Not to mention the horrendously short and steep takeoff with a root laden run in and no proper landing further down which took out Reece Wilson...
  • 11 3
 Yeah as much as the features were a great showcase of the top riders technical skills, it might be pushing it in terms of safety. The sketchy entrances / landings to the features were sure to catch up fatigued riders, privateers, etc. not enough margin for error I think.
  • 16 1
 Issue wasn’t landing it was that takeoff was way too short and was deteriorating by the time Wilson raced (guarantee the log on take off had formed a decent lip as dirt deteriorated. Wilson was the rider that tested the limits of that thing and was the one who paid the price. Jumps must be built better to gap a f*cking creek at the end of steep chute before the fastest open section on the course. Of course racers are going to push the limit there.

Riders need to do smart thing for their careers and do a better job for one another policing these features and the uci needs to come up with some base rules regarding safety for man made features. Whether it be determining landing/takeoff widths/length minimums or making b lines have less of an impact on overall time.

The road gap in lenzerheide is huge but pretty much as safe as can be for riders at that level.

End of day we’re all really lucky Reece walked away. Not sure I could watch dh anymore if that crash ended like how I thought it might have before he got up.
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flag Linc (Jul 3, 2021 at 18:44) (Below Threshold)
 @bulletbassman: Another idea, can we just remove the podium and race results - as that encourages unsafe actions by riders trying to push themselves fast. Just open the track to everyone at the start of a weekend and give all attendees a medal for participation.
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flag jaame (Jul 4, 2021 at 1:11) (Below Threshold)
 @Linc: they should definitely remove all the jumps because the riders are forced to hit them. There is no alternative. It’s really dangerous, being forced to hit jumps as your job.
  • 3 1
Also the last 3 table tops at the finish area were way to short.
Laurie (and another rider) hasn't even jump the first one, he was heavily pushing that one.
And the last one was mostly sent to flat by all of the riders.
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 @Nusterloo: well most the women’s field struggled to clear them on the other hand
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 @bulletbassman: That Reece Wilson crash was gnarly, rolling down the windows. Agree, that course looked pretty sketchy once it got wet.
  • 23 2
 A comparison can be made to downhill ski racing where arguably the level of competition is even higher, both in the men's and women's divisions. The racers travel close to 100 mph on sections of some of the courses, greatly exceeding mountain bike speeds and some of the jumps involved are mind-boggling.
But nowhere on any world cup downhill I'm familiar with will you find a gap jump, where if you misjudge it you run into something solid that brings you to a life threatening or even life ending stop. Similarly you never have a situation where the racers are free to fly into the trees at full speed, there are always catch fences. Hitting those at full speed isn't without consequences, as all the skiers who've torn themselves apart on them can attest to. But mostly they save them from truly life threatening injuries.
One poster in particular makes the case that since he's broken his back, etc., that every racer on the circuit should be willing to potentially lose his or her life every time they compete.
I call total bullshit on this. If you think you're Evel Knievel more power to you, but that's not what racing is about.
If you are an actual fan of racing, not just watching in hopes of seeing spectacular crash after crash, then you like seeing your favorite competitors at the top of their game. And the way that happens is by having courses that let the competitors showcase their skills, not their willingness to wind up crippled for life, just to satisfy a bunch of youtube watching yahoos.
If mountain bike racing is to continue to grow it has to mature the same way other risk sports like motor vehicle and ski racing has.
Did you know that Formula one cars weren't even mandated to have seat belts until the early 70s? Now it's one of the safest forms of motor racing through continual refinement of the tracks and the cars.
Personally, if you're watching a sporting event in the hope of seeing someone else get really f*cked up you need some serious help.
  • 3 12
flag stubs179 (Jul 3, 2021 at 16:21) (Below Threshold)
 You want to compare it to a sport where the course is smoothed out ice? So, do you suggest all of the rock gardens and roots be smoothed over? I’d compare it more to Supercross or Motocross, where the risk is similar. They get many practice runs on the course.
  • 6 1
 @stubs179: Nowhere did I suggest that. I'm saying that having solid objects (trees, gaps, etc.) that a rider hits if they make a mistake unjustifiably increases the risk to the competitors.
In motocross why do you think they put hay bales instead of concrete barriers in the run out areas?
  • 2 2
 If you're referring to my comments about breaking my back then you need to go back and reread them as you've completely twisted what I said.
  • 5 1
 @commental: Sorry if you thought I was defaming you. I took your comments to be saying that if you cannot accept the risk you shouldn't be doing it.
I'm saying that making the courses intentionally more dangerous by not having proper run out areas and eliminating solid objects shouldn't be acceptable, either as a competitor or a spectator.
And before you write me off as some risk-averse softie, I just had my 43rd orthopedic surgery. I'm 62 years old and I've taken my fair share of chances over the years. I was a top regional racer as a young man so I think my perspective on racing is still pretty valid.
Again, sorry if you thought I was putting you down.
  • 4 1
 I'd just like you to point out where I said anyone should be willing to potentially lose their lives every time they compete. These racers understand better than any of us the risks they are taking. They do it because they want to. Privateers even pay for the honour. In a few weeks a lot of the male field who raced today will likely be at Hardline, where every feature should probably be removed as it's too dangerous. Is anyone forcing them to compete there or do you think maybe it's because they want to?
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 @commental: "Turns out this shit can be dangerous "
Now if that's not brushing off legitimate safety concerns, especially after showing the severity of the injuries you've suffered, I'm not sure what your point is?
You're clearly holding yourself up as a standard that others should judge themselves against, and trying to delegitimize other posters who have issues with the safety standards we currently are seeing on race courses. I was not saying you personally just wanted to see racers getting injured, which I think is a despicable attitude, but you're certainly trying to make the case that if racers want to compete then they shouldn't have anything to say about the objective dangers they face. You can want to compete and want to do so in a relatively safe environment. Those aren't mutually exclusive desires.
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 @danger13: To use your words from earlier, "I call total bullshit on this." I'm not holding myself up as a standard for anything. Please point out where anyone has said they want to see racers get injured, of course it's a despicable attitude, but neither I nor anyone else has said that. Also where have I said that racers shouldn't be able to say anything if they think something is dangerous. Can you actually read?
  • 2 1
 No one is forcing anyone to hit those features. I would not be hitting anything when it’s pissing down. You’re not going to win anyway so what’s the point of pushing on? Just try to get down safe and live to fight another day.
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 @danger13: Any DH ski race I’ve seen is on the big wide open ski runs. Mountain bike DH is down trails through the trees. There is no way to keep it the same and eliminate any chance of hitting a tree. I could get behind catch fences being used in places like behind that berm. Where Wilson crashed there was tons of runout.

As for Supercross and motocross, I was more referring to the backs of the jumps or other riders. It’s a way more dangerous sport in my opinion where coming up short of a 70’ triple is very bad. Or getting landed on by another rider. They are just inherent risks of racing.
  • 3 1
 @stubs179: I am in total agreement with you on the inherent risks of all forms of racing. There's dangers that simply cannot be eliminated and if you want to compete at the top level you must accept that risk.
Where we diverge is the level of unnecessary risk built into sports by promoters who value spectacle over the well being of their competitors. When I was at my best as a cross country racer back in the 1980s promoters started incorporating jump features into the courses for more spectator appeal. Not too many of the racers were thrilled with this.
When I started racing off road the greatest courses were long loops in the backcountry and they involved a fair amount of technical riding along with a huge dose of physical fitness. The courses then became shorter loops with easy access to spectators, then they started acquiring things like gap jumps to please them.
Over time other disciplines like downhill came forward and cross country went back to just that. Racers concentrated on their fitness and quit worrying about killing themselves on features that didn't really fit their discipline.
So, I've seen bike racing evolve quite a bit over the years. You say that you can't imagine downhill occurring in the middle of wide open ski runs,but for maximum spectator appeal an tv coverage that's probably just exactly what will happen. They'll build big features in the runs and the courses will be lined from top to bottom with spectators like the big mountain stages in the Tour.
This will only happen though if downhill isn't killed by bad publicity, lawsuits and venues who won't host events for those reasons.
If you think nothing can change just think about motor sports. Most car tracks used to be lined with concrete barriers. Not anymore, now they have big runout areas with tire walls. You can't hit guys in the head anymore in football or hockey. Sports have to evolve with changing societal mores or they go out of business.
  • 16 1
 Sorry to hear this. Great that she is ok. I think there needs to be an improvement in track design. Features that are inherently dangerous because of poor design, poor run in or loadings serve no purpose. As noted by someone else, the big features themselves aren't necessarily the problem, it is just that badly designed big features can cause serious injury when the inevitable crashes happen.
  • 15 1
 Heal up Nina !! Sorry this had to happen to you !

I just came back from a week in the hospital after wat was my biggest crash ever. A big drop that I completely misread as a steep rock garden (wthf) and crashed hard on a steep slab of rock.

A severly collapsed left lung. Big and deep bloody abrasions on my whole back and left quad. Kind of whisplash in my neck, fullface did the work of protecting my face. In a way I'm happy that were all the injury's. The 15' before help started arriving where pure hell. Fire department had to carry out of where I was. Forever in debt to those guys and ambulance personel, they do an amazing job.

A week in hospital, a month from work, a couple of weeks of training from the moment I can, to just be where I was before the crash. And where do I go from then? Everybody I know tell's me to stop MTB like 'we' do. (charging the downs). I don't really know where I stand on that point. Sure I can take inspirations from guys like Bulldog, ... but I'm not him am I.

Did you guys have quit 'charging' after a big serious injury?

(I have 2 kids, 37yrs, not a big money earner = meaning I have responsabilities, people are depending on me)
ps. sorry to hijack the tread
  • 6 2
 same age, a baby daughter, luckily no huge crash but stopped dh and park riding two years ago after i bombed myself few times in a row last big one in schladming…got myself an enduro/allmtn and do lower consequence stuff now…

anyways Nina wish you all the best and quick recovery! same to the many other injured riders lately!
  • 4 1
 I broke my back riding in 1993. Then I snapped my femur in 2 places in 2006. I'm not in any way telling you what to do, but for me the rewards make the risk worth it. A lot of people I know who don't ride have told me I should stop, none of those who do ride have.
  • 4 0
 @JWP: I’m in the process of slowing it down a bit, but only in certain places. Jump lines aren’t just for warmup anymore, I won’t hit double black tech if I’m tired, stopping part way down, little things like that. Attack mode like I’m racing I’m just not interested in anymore.

(Also 2 young kids but I’m 46 so things hurt more now)
  • 1 0
 I broke my knee in two five years ago on a jump track, in general I ride harder than I did before. I'm still not a fan of jumps though
  • 1 1
 I’m 10 years younger, and I’ve stopped charging on my bike. I don’t think my company will be needed by others in 8-ish years time, so I need to make as much as I can. A month away from work would seriously set me back.

I now have a dropper post equipped DH bike with climbing gears, and just use it for cruising down flow trails and some tech. I also have my street trials bike, which delivers bruises but that’s it. I can’t risk a big crash anymore.

I always hated jumps as well.
  • 1 0
 Same age, 3 kids, 5 broken collarbones. Do what you love, be smart about it, and take care of those you love. Don't stop.
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 @JWP I'm 53 and raced high level moto in '84-'85 and finally quit at the ripe age of 17 after breaking my lower back (L4/5) requiring 360* spinal fusion. There were many other injuries as well, most being broken bones.

Fast forward to present day MTB and I fell 2 years ago breaking 2 ribs and collapsing a lung (it wasn't a bad crash, I just hit planet earth like a sack of potatoes - I went from being a cat, to falling like a new born turtle).

My wife was less than pleased, and we had a talk... well, she talked and I listened. I'll quote her "Is there a trophy girl waiting at the bottom of one of your descents to give you a blow job", HER words, not mine. Don't cancel me.

That was it. That was all I needed to hear. I now descend at 70% and I don't care what my riding buddy does or what Strava says, and I am having a blast. No more close calls. No more thanking the MTB Gods that they didn't let me fall.... Just me having a great time while being completely comfortable with the speed.

....... and the trophy girl is still nowhere to be seen.
  • 1 1
 @commental: right there with ya brother! People that don’t do it, don’t get it. I am older and sadly just broke 3ribs and tore my bicep on my first trip back to the mountains since the covid BS... and I had to hear plenty of it.
  • 1 4
 @DBone95: why would you assume you'd be canceled for repeating what your wife said? Hell, your father/son/brother could say that and it still would be curious to suppose you'd be canceled. Me thinks you watch too much newsmax or OAN.
  • 8 0
 Phoof, she winced with pain just describing it Eek
Heal up quick Nina!
  • 2 0
 i am going thru the same thing. 56yo with clavicle in 3 pieces and two broken ribs from otb crash. happened the saturday before father's day and had surgery this past friday. put a temporary appliance and 5cm of donor bone in (will be writing the donor family a thank you note). lotsa folks giving me grief as they just don't understand my passion for biking. my sister (the recovering alcoholic...) giving me chit about this being an addiction and how it has caused rifts in my extended family (parents, and her i assume). my wife and 19yo son seem to understand and support me as i have been riding since late '80s. this crashing of late sux tho (torn thumb UCL last Oct from a slippery wooden berm). don't think i can give this up and i do recognize there is inherent risk, but i love to ride! i need to ride! i too have responsibilities and am main earner and carry the insurance (thankfully i work in healthcare and have access to awesome orthopedists). i find the mental/confidence aspect of coming back takes the longest. wishing you the best in your recovery, and healing vibes to all the injured on this thread. maybe we need a support group forum....apologies for my one hand typing. be well my biking brothers and sisters from other mothers!
  • 1 0
 Almost same thing, but clavicle in 5 pieces and three ribs on Fathers Day. At 47, I’m pretty much done with hospitals. XC and trail riding from here on out.
  • 6 5
 Ohhh Nina, what did you do?!! I was counting on you to kick asses and achieve what you started!!! Who am I gonna support now??

I wish you a good recovery; come back as soon as possible, and keep your smile and your good mood 'cos they are priceless Smile
  • 13 2
 How about still supporting Nina? Seems like she could use some motivation along the way to recover
  • 2 1
 @SleepingAwake: because I don't know her personally, I'm not one of her relatives or family, I'm just a spectator, and I keep supporting competitors who are still on the circuit. Logical.
I still send her some good vibes.
  • 5 1
 screw the negative responses you are an amazing rider keep up the work you do us proud.
  • 1 0
 Great to see that she hasn't loose here humour! Heal up quickly!
But there are so many crashes this year(also in tour de France), its understandable that they are all on fire after this long (terrible) break, but they should all calm down a bit! We all have to reevaluate some things!
  • 1 0
 When professional riders are opting not to hit a gap, it makes you wonder if the course should be reworked. Granted the crazy ones who opt to hit, do receive a faster line, but we are talking world class athletes, not your average Joe.
  • 7 7
 It might be time for the UCI to step in and find a way to protect their athletes before someone dies on course. I'm afraid it's a matter of time before it happens. Wilson, Cabirou and Hoffman this weekend, with massive crashes. Pierron last week, Macdonald at MSA... UCI should evaluate to suspend races when there is heavy rain, or put together a comity to make courses safer. I know DH is a hard sport, but it seems to be more dangerous it has ever been.
  • 7 5
 Careful what you wish for, certain entities could take this too far. At the moment DH is all about "fastest person wins, git gud or get rekt" and athletes know this. They are pushing the sport forward. Fort Bill has not changed much yet it is gnarlier every year as the level of riding progresses. I don't wish them any injuries and I get seriously anxious when I watch some of their crashes, yet you hear them b*tch about compulsory back protectors on certain courses. I think they know the risk and if they decide to waive their run (Nina last round?) I can respect that.

We don't need another Bernie Ecclestone to ruin our sport all in the name of safety - with a collateral damage in form of removing all that is exciting. Next thing you know there is a mandatory speed limiter that you can disable for 10 seconds per run, a full roll cage with HALO mounted on the bike, 6 point harnesses and riders are allowed just one set of dry and one set of wet tires per event. Riders will need OSHA approved steel tipped boots and high vis jackets over their flame retardant jerseys.

With such a gloomy vision I am glad that MTB is a sport where injuries are a question of when, not whether. Of course event organizers might do a thing or two to manage the risk. I remember when sharp stones were not painted, trees were raw without any mats and medical staff was just a local Red Cross volunteer. Look at this track, freshly built (ehm, taped), jumps that were maybe not even test jumped before, Alfa Romeo on the course as a new type of obstacle.
  • 5 3
 @johny88: amen to that.
People have a right to not be killed or injured at work. They also have a right to choose another career. There is lots of comparison going on between F1 of 60 years ago and today, not much comparison of the drivers’ salaries. I would race an F1 car for free, seatbelt or not, cockpit cage thing or not, for the thrill of it... and so would millions of others.

I don’t wish death or injury on anyone but we are definitely getting softer as a society. No one is forcing anyone to do those dangerous things. The do it because they want to.
  • 1 2
 @jaame: Yes, but they need protecting from themselves, they know not what they do. Apparently.
  • 5 3
 Hope you get well soon, cant' wait to see you back on your bike.

P.S. What happened to your bike? Should we plan on seeing the frame in the BuySell?
  • 2 0
 Man, a lot of top riders getting absolutely fucking blown up in the last couple weeks. This is unsustainable.
  • 3 1
 How could you roll the road gap ? Am i missing the point ?
  • 8 0
 There’s a video of Mille Johnset in one of the vital raw i believe doing it. She just roll off the lip land in the grass and roll the fire road
  • 1 5
flag commental (Jul 3, 2021 at 15:47) (Below Threshold)
 @Jo2910: I'm pretty sure that was the creek gap.
  • 5 0
 @commental: nah, Johnset def rolled the road gap
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 @Snapcatcher: Yes I was wrong, I've just gone back and looked at the creek gap, no one's rolling that.
  • 2 0
 All things considered, I'd say that Nina is very lucky.
  • 1 0
 Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it. Get well soon!
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 f's in the chat, boys
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